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The problems he addressed are spot on, but his solutions aren't.

>> No.15562196

>platitude about thinker
BRAVO OP

>> No.15562204

His ideas are good in theory but don’t work in practice.

>> No.15562209

List the problems he identified and list his solutions to them and then explain how each solution is not suitable for the corresponding problem.

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>>15562166
The problems he addressed are spot on, but his solutions aren't

>> No.15562254

>>15562166
>The problems he addressed are spot on, but his solutions aren't.
This is the go to sentence for anyone who has never read Marx, remember this, if some faggot says it then he hasn't read Marx.
His solutions are a direct response to the problems he addressed, if you disagree with the basic notion of workers seizing the means of production then you effectively disagree with every single major criticism of capitalism he has.

>> No.15562257

>>15562166
Marx writes only a handful of lines about what socialism/communism looks like. Marx didn't come up with 'solutions', he thought the solutions are evident. This is Marx's own special kind of retardation.

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>>15562166
COMMUNISM WORKS GOOD ON PAPER BTU NOT IN REAL LIFE

>> No.15562282

>>15562254
>responding to a bait thread
read marx

>> No.15562307

>>15562272
HUMAN NATURE

>> No.15562310

>>15562282
What did Marx have to say about shitposts on Indonesian Yu-Ghi-Ho trading card forums?

>> No.15562313

>>15562166
>The problems he addressed are spot on, and there are absolutely no possible solutions
ftfy

>> No.15562314

>>15562310
They're the purest form of revolutionary acts, and the anons that partake in them are the vanguard of the revolution

>> No.15562316

Why the fuck are there so many marxists on this board all of a sudden

>> No.15562318

>>15562313
this desu

>> No.15562321

>>15562316
summerfags

>> No.15562328

>>15562316
>all of a sudden
hello newfriend

>> No.15562330

>>15562316
90% of Zoomers are marxists because they have no knowledge of the 20th Century and are oblivious to the complete disaster communism is. And this board is now filled with oblivious zoomers

>> No.15562332

>>15562254
>workers seizing the means of production
impossible without forming their own state. a classless society is achievable and desirable, but a stateless one is unstable->impossible

>> No.15562341

>>15562316
>all of a sudden

>> No.15562342
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>*solves marx*

>> No.15562343

>>15562316
/pol/ tourist spotted in the wild

>> No.15562352

>>15562166
>The problems he addressed are spot on
>proletarian living conditions will decrease with time

>> No.15562356

>>15562332
a classless society cannot be achieved if the state retains its current functions, I can see it happening if the state only serves logistical/administrative purposes, but not if the state is the centralized political power that upholds "laws" and enforces social cohesion, those things should be left to the communities and locally independent municipalities.

>> No.15562358

>>15562328
>>15562341
>all of a sudden
Reminder that this is the same type of shit summerfags said on /b/ back in like 2014 when the whole board was going to absolute shit.

>> No.15562364

>>15562352
They have

>> No.15562365

>>15562358
nigger this board has been infested with Marxists since 2009, even the actual far-right threads here have discussion based on Marx's theories, just go visit some meme Land thread and see what kind of terminology they're using if not a Marxist one

>> No.15562375

>>15562365
There's been marxist ideas discussed as long as I remember but in the past week it's spiked pretty high, and the people talking about it don't seem to have the same level of comprehension as /lit/ oldfags.

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>>15562364
Ok, so quick sanity test for you - here's a Victorian era proletarian household. You believe it got worse than it was back then.

>> No.15562380

>>15562377
Honestly he probably owns his house.

>> No.15562384

>>15562375
It's because they're zoomers fresh off the boat from breadtube and chapo.

>> No.15562395

>>15562384
Not to be melodramatic but pretty sure this is the beginning of the end for /lit/. At least this is kinda how it happened with /b/ and /x/ and /pol/ except with different factions.

>> No.15562398

>>15562395
>beginning of the end for /lit/.
It's already dead. The occasional effortpost is just an attempt to prop up the corpse.

>> No.15562401

>>15562380
That you don't know for sure. Remember, nowadays the proletariat is worse off, apparently and all you have to insinuate that is that perhaps the guy on the picture owns that bunch of rubble.

Marx was simply wrong on that point, in 1850's he was sure of that but by the time his life was nearing to end he started to doubt it and you can see it very well when you realise the chronology of "Das Kapital".

>> No.15562402

>>15562377
Looks like a fine house. At least it's built with proper materials.

>> No.15562403

>>15562316
There are next to zero Marxists here. There are some people genuinely interested in Marxism though, and the reason is that they feel the madness of the current world and they seek to understand it. But other than that most are just after the aesthetics.

>>15562377
At least they weren't 200 thousand dollars in debt. But that's beside the point, because Marx's thesis was not about absolute immiseration. You're already strawmanning like some reddit debate faggot.

>> No.15562408

>>15562401
I wish I owned that bunch of rubble. I'll never be able to own my own house. Pretty sure that guy owns his house. Even peasants owned homes.

>> No.15562415

>>15562166
we'll never get over all the ethnic and cultural differences between various groups of people. no one wants to be ruled by the other, it's too deeply ingrained into culture

>> No.15562554

>>15562272
well we had it in real life as well

>> No.15562560

>>15562166
The problems with Marx lie with Hegel. Teleology is bunk

>> No.15562589

>>15562209
if you make me a sarnie first

>> No.15563575

>>15562332
Statecuck.

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>>15562272
>>15562254
Based

>>15562395

>> No.15563592

>>15562166
ok liberal

>> No.15563598

>>15562408
Honestly no. If you read Das Dapital Vol.1, you would know that the living condition of proletarians, including in the country, in the 19th century (shit began in the 16th century) were disastrous. Many people in overcrowded unsanitary spaces. Then those people, due to poverty went working into the city factories, were the living condition were even worse. Today effort have been made, notably on the sanitary condition, but proletarians are still living in souless concrete to this day.

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>>15562166
not even that, marx was a literal brainlet

>> No.15564266

>>15562316
The riots are making them horny. Marxists want nothing more than to commit brutality against the wealthy. That instinct for violence against those they can't compete with in an equal society is the basis for their entire ideology.

>> No.15564613

>>15562316
>all of a sudden
>>15562403
>There are next to zero Marxists here

kek fucking /pol/ tourists man

>> No.15564649

>>15564266
The riots are making Marxists indifferent, because there's zero proletarian content in them. The entire protest movement has been thoroughly co-opted by the bourgeoisie. The people getting horny are teenagers who like the aesthetics around revolution but don't understand communism.

>> No.15565139

He doesn't really suggest solutions though, just makes educated guesses based off analysis of human history until the time of publication. Marx is certainly a useful intellectual and by no means a fraud but by today's standards his work requires evolution.

>> No.15565167

>>15562272
Human nature 100 gorillian dead Stalin Mao

>> No.15565172

>>15563630
he said neither of those things

>> No.15565177

>>15562316
Someone’s new. The divide on this board has always been between marxists and evolafags.

>> No.15565189

>>15563630
>has literally never read Marx

You probably think Peterson won that debate against Zizek, too.

>> No.15565213

>>15562316
I thought it was common knowledge that we were under a reddit raid the last few months along with /his/ and /sci/. Am I the only one who knows this? There were a lot of threads about it on /pol/.

>> No.15565259

>>15563598
I've read Das Kapital. These people owned more then than people do now. It's all rent and lease now.

>> No.15565287

>>15562166
labor theory of value is literal retard tier.

>> No.15565315

>>15562272
Yes.

>> No.15565322

>>15562166
>>15562204
murican education making pussies too afraid of muh stalin and muh 9252347 quadrillion killed

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>>15562316
Lots of radical leftists coming out of the woodwork these days. They're position is trendy now.

>> No.15565366

>>15565287
How so?

>> No.15565367

>>15565329
yeah anarchism, which posses no threat to capitalism
but nobody is gonna have the balls to even consider lenins/stalins/mao's teachings