/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15506506]

CATCHER IN THE RYE BTFO

[Anonymous No.15506508]

cringe

[Anonymous No.15506519]

BASED

[Anonymous No.15506525]

>>15506506
Imagine if Americans can read bo th

[Anonymous No.15506528]

>>15506508
Thesis
>>15506519
Antithesis
>>15506525
Synthesis

[Anonymous No.15506531]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Catcher in the Rye only read by some Americans in school? Doesn't it regularly cause controversy when it ends up being assigned?

[Anonymous No.15506538]

>US VS. THEM

[Anonymous No.15506548]

shitting on catcher is honestly the biggest midwit move. it’s like 175 large-print paces and people act as if they’re victims of a war crime for having had to read it in school

[Anonymous No.15506559]

>>15506548
Whatever you say, Shlomo.

[Anonymous No.15506560]

>>15506548
It's the same with Shakespeare. Even his longest play is like maybe 200 pages, and given that it's a play, those pages aren't usually very dense. You can literally perform it like a couple of hours, and in high school settings you're usually given like 2 fucking weeks to read it.

[Anonymous No.15506908]

>>15506528
lol

[Anonymous No.15506913]

>>15506506
...What if Americans read Blanchot instead of pleb crap in high school...?

[Anonymous No.15506916]

they should be reading John Green

[Anonymous No.15506920]

>>15506560
Tbf the way they teach Shakespeare in schools is horrendous, it's like they're trying to put the kids off.
Just have them perform the plays you dumbasses it's 100 times more fun and makes them think about it more.

[Anonymous No.15506921]

it genuinely baffles me when women try to state their opinions on anything that isnt sucking cock like they have any authority or comprehension, but literature? Fucking lol.

[Anonymous No.15506926]

>>15506916
I would be shocked if there aren't schools in America that cover John Green novels in classes.

[Anonymous No.15506931]

>>15506920
The way schools teach everything is horrendous. The education system is a fucking mess.

[Anonymous No.15506958]

americans can read?

[Anonymous No.15506959]

>>15506921
Women are awful at sucking cock, men are much better
t. bifag

[Anonymous No.15507252]

>>15506560
Assigning Shakespeare to school students is fucking stupid. Most of them will find him incomprehensible and pretentious. They'll start to believe literature is beyond their means because they can't understand him, which will literally kill any love of reading they may have developed if allowed to pursue their literary interest organically. Shakespeare is one of the greatest poets in history and he wrote in an earlier instantiation of English which is completely foreign to teenagers of today. Taking a teen with no exposure to literature, no knowledge of Greek mythology which Shakespeare repeatedly references, no knowledge of history, no knowledge of Christianity, and not much understanding of Early Modern English, and expecting them to understand the complex verse of Shakespeare is utterly absurd. It'd be like assigning Virgil to a student of Latin, assigning complex matrices to someone with a high-school understanding of mathematics. Not to mention the tedious methods of interpretation and analysis used in schools, which just further kills all interest in reading from the students.

[Anonymous No.15507264]

>>15506959
Fact.

Also they should be reading Walcott and Glissant, not Baldwin.

[Anonymous No.15507282]

>>15506921
Cringe

[Anonymous No.15507285]

>>15507252
>Shakespeare is incomprehensible to high school students
High schoolers are dumb, but they're not that dumb.

[Anonymous No.15507294]

>kids liking any of the books they read in english

[Anonymous No.15507300]

James Baldwin is the cheesiest of all American author's whose work is held up as the platonic ideal of literature because our intellectual class sees him as a prophet. A world in which no one reads Baldwin is a better one.

[Anonymous No.15507303]

>>15507300
He only gets the props for being an eloquent, gay black man.

[Anonymous No.15507306]

>>15507252
>Assigning Shakespeare to school students is fucking stupid. Most of them will find him incomprehensible and pretentious. They'll start to believe literature is beyond their means because they can't understand him, which will literally kill any love of reading they may have developed if allowed to pursue their literary interest organically
That is their punishment. There's no need to wring our hands over it.

[Anonymous No.15507310]

>>15506528
Bhaahaha

[Anonymous No.15507311]

>>15507252
This. It's the same in german speaking countries only with Goethe.

[Anonymous No.15507312]

is physiognomy real?

[Anonymous No.15507315]

>>15507285
Did you go to a posh school or something? Most people in the high school I attended complained constantly that 'Shakespeare makes no sense'. I remember specifically an instance when we were reading King Lear. We went to literally the first page where it says:

>KENT
>I thought the king had more affected the Duke of
>Albany than Cornwall.

>GLOUCESTER
>It did always seem so to us: but now, in the
>division of the kingdom, it appears not which of
>the dukes he values most; for equalities are so
>weighed, that curiosity in neither can make choice
>of either's moiety.

The entire class let out a groan and complained that they had to read something as "pompous and impenetrable" as that.

[Anonymous No.15507329]

>>15507315
I went to a high school in a lower-middle class area. Most people initially complained and then got over it and realized it wasn't really that bad. I do think there is a fundamental problem with Shakespeare in schools usually being presented without having an actual performance of the play (whether that's a recording of a performance, or an at least somewhat accurate film adaptation) being shown before actually reading the text, and I think that would solve 95% of the problems with teaching Shakespeare in high school. I think the idea that studying Shakespeare in high school is going to "kill students' love of reading" is well-meaning but not consistent with reality. For students where that might be the case, the education system already did that to them long before they get to Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.15507383]

>>15507252
This just proves the school system is shit. If literature were taught earlier and by an enthusiastic person actually interested and respectful of it, then more people would be able to read Shakespeare without looking at the modern translation.

[Anonymous No.15507418]

>>15506506
Surely kids would just learn to hate baldwin instead of tcitr

[Anonymous No.15507466]

>>15507383
What do you mean by "modern translation"? If all you mean is modernized spelling, there is literally nothing wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.15507492]

>>15507329
Most people at the school I went to could not read Shakespeare without aid of a modern translation. The majority read from the “NoFearShakespeare” website (a popular website for high school kids doing literature; the name of this website proves my point) and claimed they’d read it. Some would read the original but only with a modern translation at their side. The general idea was that Shakespeare and literature in general were inaccessible, only for pretentious or otherwise very educated aristocratic people, the same people who listen to classical music and speak French. Of course this isn’t true, but to kids who were not given a proper educational foundation before being forced to read the greatest poet in history it might seem like the case.

If you want to teach shakespeare in school, start giving kids a proper classical education. Latin, Greek, piano, philosophy, literature, history, etc.

[Anonymous No.15507503]

>>15507492
>If you want to teach shakespeare in school, start giving kids a proper classical education. Latin, Greek, piano, philosophy, literature, history, etc.
People like you are why people think Shakespeare is "inaccessible, only for pretentious or otherwise very educated aristocratic people".

[Anonymous No.15507524]

>>15507503
I’m not claiming you need a classical education to be able to understand Shakespeare. You need to be familiar with literature, language, history, Greek mythology, some philosophy, and Christianity. The high school student in the modern day simply does not have the educational foundation for reading Shakespeare, as websites such as NoFearShakespeare prove.

[Anonymous No.15507528]

>>15506528
lmao, nice one

[Anonymous No.15507538]

>>15507524
Shakespeare is pretty fucking accessible. You don't actually need to be that educated to understand it. Being highly educated can give you a deeper grasp of it, but the core of Shakespeare is really not that hard. People like you, who mythologize Shakespeare are the problem.

[Anonymous No.15507544]

>>15506531
This is correct. Americans are the most sensitive and at the same time callous people imaginable.

[Anonymous No.15507573]

>>15507538
Again, most kids can not even understand the bare syntax of Shakespeare. I’m not talking about understanding on a deeper level, I’m talking about simply parsing what the words in succession are meant to be signifying. They have to use modern “”translations”” like NoFearShakespeare. They do not even know basic Greek mythology of Christianity, so when they read about “nymphs”, “Apollo”, “Golgotha”, etc. in his verses it all goes over their head. The average high school student is not equipped to understand Shakespeare. As I’m saying for the fourth time now: WHY DO YOU THINK WEBSITES LIKE NOFEARSHAKESPEARE EVEN EXIST?

[Anonymous No.15507641]

>>15507573
Pretty much every modern printing of Shakespeare, including the ones printed for pretentious yuppies like yourself, will gloss important allusions to mythology and Christianity. Syntactically Shakespeare can indeed be tough for people who have no experience with it, which is precisely why I said a performance of some kind should be shown before actually reading the text. It's less of an impenetrable barrier than you're trying to pretend it is.

>WHY DO YOU THINK WEBSITES LIKE NOFEARSHAKESPEARE EVEN EXIST?
The same reason editions like Arden exist, just with a different target audience. If you'd bother to actually look at the website instead of just complaining about it you'd realize it actually presents the plays as parallel texts, not just the bare "translated" version and effectually acts as reading notes.

[Anonymous No.15507876]

>>15507544
ya triggered

[Anonymous No.15507911]

>>15506506
Indian women who grew up in western countries make the worst feminists/sjws.

[Anonymous No.15507941]

Every child shall be forced to read Ulysses.

[Anonymous No.15507976]

>>15507312
is it?

[Anonymous No.15508053]

>>15506525
I read both in High School. From (the only) part of America that isn’t third world.

[Anonymous No.15508057]

>>15508053
Canada?

[Anonymous No.15508083]

>>15506506
>>15506525
Imagine if they read neither