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[Anonymous No.15493466]

>but religion has caused so much war and stifled man's progress!

[Anonymous No.15493489]

imagine how much worse things would have been if we didnt have religion

[Anonymous No.15493507]

>>15493489
I don't have to imagine, I'm watching it live streaming right now.

[Anonymous No.15493543]

>>15493466
brainlet argument

[Anonymous No.15494135]

>>15493507
riots rebellions revolts and uprisings are nothing new

[Anonymous No.15494180]

>>15493466
>Yes.

[Anonymous No.15494196]

>>15493466
>T. Thinks like this because of Christian eschatology

[Anonymous No.15494327]

>>15493466

Is there a curt turn of phrase that can shut this down? Historically it's easy to btfo of people who cry 'muh dark age' but I have no idea how to engage with people who think religions are the cause of all wars.

[Anonymous No.15494346]

>>15494196
>scatology

[Anonymous No.15494352]

>>15494327
Religions are the cope of all wars

[Anonymous No.15494369]

>>15493507
I imagine most ape insurgents are probably christians or at least identify as such

[Anonymous No.15494378]

>>15494369
>or at least identify as such
no true scotsman
Christians are christians, regardless of niggerhood.
If a jew is ethiopian are the any less jewish?

[Anonymous No.15494394]

>>15494327
There isn't, because it's not wrong. The opposite is also not wrong. The notion that "religion has caused x" is based in a crude way of thinking about the causal mechanisms of history, and if your response to it is to negate the notion instead of to negating its basis then you are just as bad. You will contradict anon, then anon will contradict you, and the whole dialectic will take place at a low level of resolution. You're also an idiot just in general for being unable to articulate your thoughts and asking to be spoonfed.

[Anonymous No.15494417]

>>15494327
just remind them about the colonial wars, the american revolution, the mexican-american war, the civil war, the spanish-american war, the french revolutionary wars, the napoleonic wars, the russian civil war, the chinese civil war, ww1 and ww2, the korean war, the algerian war, the cuban revolution, the vietnam war, the cold war, the soviet-afghanistan war, the gulf war, the yugoslav wars, the war in afghanistan, the iraq war

[Anonymous No.15494422]

Jesus himself was staunchly anti-war and advocated uncompromising pacifism. Of course, that didn't stop his self-described followers from becoming egregious war mongers centuries later.

[Anonymous No.15494425]

>>15493466
To say that religion is essential is to say that most people are too stupid for the truth.
Which is correct, obviously

[Anonymous No.15494429]

>>15494422
>uncompromising pacifism
>fashioned a whip and drove the money-changers out of the temple
>told soldiers to be content with their pay but not that they shouldn't fight at all

[Anonymous No.15494436]

>>15494417
All of Julius Caesar's conquests, the Peloponnesian war, Alexander the Great's campaigns.

[Anonymous No.15494449]

>>15494429
t. never read the gospels

[Anonymous No.15494453]

Its to western centric, plenty of places were religious/superstitious and progressed fine.

[Anonymous No.15494460]

>>15494449
shut up heretic.

[Anonymous No.15494463]

>>15494378
>If a jew is ethiopian are the any less jewish?
what if i told you that universals do not exist and that properties are nothing more then clusters of associated connections between phenomenal experiences/neurons that tend to activate each other when stimulated, and that they constantly decay and regrow in response to stimulation with no persistent nature over time, and that metaphysicians must use fuzzy logic and poetry in order to account for how jewishenss is associated with whiteness of skin but whiteness is associated with lack of jewishness
what if i told you that analytical philosophers are already doing this

[Anonymous No.15494467]

>>15494369
>thou shalt no steal
yeah, they seem very "Christian" to me, right guys?

[Anonymous No.15494471]

>>15494467
You think crusaders didn't plunder shit?

[Anonymous No.15494472]

>>15493466
>But muh war and stifling is character building
This is what degeneracy looks like.

>>15493489
Hard to imagine. A rational people, interested in science and hard philosophies only? What amazing feats we’d have risen to in the years 2000BC. 200AD we’d surely have colonized Europa and Triton, developed fusion energy and set ourselves a course of self evolution.
Ah, but no hail Mary’s? No Crusades? Tsk

[Anonymous No.15494482]

>>15494467
That's Jewish, not Christian. Jesus lived among the robbers.

[Anonymous No.15494493]

>>15494471
no, they literally took vows of chastity and poverty and had no personal possessions.

[Anonymous No.15494501]

>Hard to imagine. A rational people, interested in science and hard philosophies only? What amazing feats we’d have risen to in the years 2000BC. 200AD we’d surely have colonized Europa and Triton, developed fusion energy and set ourselves a course of self evolution.
>Ah, but no hail Mary’s? No Crusades? Tsk

[Anonymous No.15494503]

>>15494482
What are commandments?

[Anonymous No.15494518]

>>15494493
Major kek.
They raped and pillages just like everyone else.

[Anonymous No.15494537]

>>15494467
>Thou shalt nit protest the authorities

>>15494482
“Turn the other cheek” is Jesus talk, anon. Or at least it was once the Romans edited your stupid scriptures

[Anonymous No.15494538]

>>15494518
they literally weren't even allowed to kiss their own mothers. but some low test faggot 1000 years later said they were rapists so it must be true.

[Anonymous No.15494549]

>>15494538
There were a lot of them, anon. Some didn’t kiss girls, some raped and pillaged. Muslims and Christians alike. Your picture book lied to you.

[Anonymous No.15494550]

>>15494538
Your mom allows me to kiss her though.

[Anonymous No.15494586]

>>15494538
nah

[Anonymous No.15494596]

Was being religious actually a chance for us?

Did it have an positive impact on nations?

I really want to know since I’m not educated on that subject! Thanks!!

[Anonymous No.15494626]

>>15494538
>Everyone but the supporters of my belief are liars
>History isn't real unless it's about how based christians are
>Le testosterone kek
>I'm the smardest
My shit has more neurons than you.

[Anonymous No.15494640]

>>15494596
>Was being religious actually a chance for us?
Yes, perfect opportunities to molest children and get away with it because the children were the ones who sinned.
>Did it have an positive impact on nations?
Yes, it restricted the pedophiles to molesting retards who refused to think for themselves.
>I really want to know since I’m not educated on that subject
I have enlightened you. Off you go to church.

[Anonymous No.15494649]

>>15494626
i trust Christian men who took vows and fought for their beliefs over some fag on the internet who wasn't even there.

[Anonymous No.15494660]

>>15494640
seething

[Anonymous No.15494676]

>>15493466
people blindly believing in things instead of thinking critically have caused much war and stifled man's progress. You can believe in religion, political ideology, philosophy, soccer or any other thing for what matters. If the modality of your belief does not include the possibility that you are wrong and the willfullness to change your opinion in case this ever becomes manifest, you are a zealot, a fundamentalist and, useless to say, a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.15494757]

>>15494660
projecting

[Anonymous No.15494779]

>projecting

[Anonymous No.15494784]

>>15494649
>ignores all history
>le internet fag
The crusaders were pre-emptively pardoned for their coming sins.
Very few required celibacy(usually orders) and those who did turned into userers or heretics.
Try christ again.
>Muh crusades wuz noble
>Proceeds to argue christians never warred
Why don't you take a vow not to be a faggot for once in your life? Is that too much to ask?

[Anonymous No.15494810]

>>15494784
seethe harder

[Anonymous No.15494897]

>>15494660
see
>>15494757
Your chaste crusaders did some raping and pillaging. Cope.

[Anonymous No.15494907]

>>15494897
no they didn't.

[Anonymous No.15494918]

>>15493489
you're looking at it...

[Anonymous No.15494934]

>>15494918
>>15493489

[Anonymous No.15494940]

>>15494378
Yes, no shit

[Anonymous No.15495012]

>>15494907
They also sodomized each other and fucked horses whenever they couldn't get some strugglesnuggles.

[Anonymous No.15495098]

>>15494471
So the crusaders are now the benchmark for what counts as Christian?

[Anonymous No.15495121]

>>15495098
The point seems lost by you

[Anonymous No.15495154]

>>15494327
Religions have an analytic statement cultures or cultures decide their religions. A religious historicism would never have a crusade against the orthodox or it would at least attack them last. Protestants prefer Judaist cultures over Catholic cultures. This being said it's not determined by the culture as the culture is determined by something else

[Anonymous No.15495165]

>>15495154
Also maybe the fact that religion is ever present doesn't mean you can blame all wars on them?
Also there are plenty of wars which aren't religious at all such as Persian or roman empires. Rome invaded greece while taking their gods.

[Anonymous No.15495174]

>>15493466

[Anonymous No.15495267]

>>15495165
>muh crusaders
>christians never warred

[Anonymous No.15495295]

>>15493466
>but marxism has caused so much war and stifled man's progress!
>but but hitlerism has caused so much war and stifled man's progress!

[Anonymous No.15495327]

LMFTFY

AMERICANS have caused so much war and stifled mans progress

[Anonymous No.15495353]

>>15494537
>“Turn the other cheek” is Jesus talk, anon.
Where did I say otherwise?

[Anonymous No.15495354]

>>15495327
They are the heir to the Abrahamic tradition and it’s pomo neo-new testament. All evil spooks

[Anonymous No.15495359]

>>15494503
The five commandments of Jesus includes nothing about "stealing", son.

[Anonymous No.15495377]

>>15495327
>what? speak up! i can't here you from up on this fucking moon!

[Anonymous No.15495399]

>>15494538
most crusaders were just Norman chads who wanted to plunder with the lads

[Anonymous No.15495451]

>>15495399
That's not true. Most of the knights actually went into massive debt in order to fund their trip. Crusading wasn't cheap and these people had to pay their own way.

[Anonymous No.15495457]

>>15495377
>we invented fried butter on a stick, color televisions (with remote control), flew to tha moon, Rock and rodeo!
>Eat yer heart out yooropoor