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15485064 No.15485064 [Reply] [Original]

Why do people make a distinction between pleasure obtained by drugs, or generally unhealthy activities and healty activies such a sport? Pleasure and suffering are inevitably linked. You consider someone taking most of his pleasure in life via drugs as a junky. Junky is a derogaty word for an unhealthy addiction. But is there something that could be considered an healthy addiction?

Love, good food, feeling of accomplishment, feeling of security and so on. Aren't all of those addictions? If those are stripped out from you, you're going to suffer, in the same way the junky craves for his drugs. So in a way you're a junky aswell, but toward "healthy" things. Supposedly, the only people not being junkies are the ones who extinguish their desires (buddhism).

But aren't the enlightened also junkies to the wholesome feeling of equanimity? If meditation did not bring joy nor quietness, but more suffering, would it be still considered as the rightful path? Why does the rightful path have to be linked to pleasure? They say that you can't access this state if you desire it, but isn't it just a strategy toward more pleasure and less suffering?

I kill my desires, but why? Obviously to feel better. Everyone who started getting interested in medidating did it to escape the cycle of pleasure/suffering. But, if you do it because you want to suffer less, then you're still a junky.

Siddhartha Gautama was a junky, there is no way out of the cycle.

>> No.15485067

>>15485064
Do you mean there is no way to stop existing?
I have a solution.

>> No.15485080

>>15485064
Enjoyable activities that promote long-term well-being versus those that impair long-term well-being.

>> No.15485106

>>15485080
isn't long-term well-being just pleasure and suffering delivered in a less intense way? It's healthy become less extreme? The final sum of happiness in a lifetime between someone healthy and unhealthy is probably the same, the distribution is different.

>> No.15485124

>>15485106
>The final sum of happiness in a lifetime between someone healthy and unhealthy is probably the same, the distribution is different.
nah
Stop trying to convince yourself. 10 minutes of sunlight on your face and wrists everyday and i promise you'll feel better.

>> No.15485128

>>15485064
>pleasure obtained by drugs
Yes I whip myself everytime the Tylenol kicks in

>> No.15485145

>>15485124
damn bro I just opened the window and did as you said, I feel like I snorted a whole line of coke

>> No.15485149

>>15485064
Sure addiction is a bit of a politicized term. You can maniacally change your behavior and become addicted, in this sense, similarly. A good analogy I use is Plato saying in Protagoras 'If men are the measure of all things then that must be a measure as well'. If anything it's not well-defined and lends itself to relativism.

>> No.15485153

>>15485106
>isn't long-term well-being just pleasure and suffering delivered in a less intense way?
More long-term pleasure and less long-term suffering, basically.

>> No.15485163

>>15485153
So when you sum it up, someone living a more healthy lifestyle would have more pleasure and less suffering that someone who doesn't?

>> No.15485190

>>15485163
Correct.

>> No.15485223

>>15485064
A fresh breath of air hits different from snorting adderal.