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[Anonymous No.15474310]

>Average IQ of Ivy League students is 122

https://pumpkinperson.com/2016/01/15/more-evidence-that-ivy-league-students-average-iq-122/

Any books that will help me understand this data?

[Anonymous No.15474322]

Arts and humanities students don't need a high iq

[Anonymous No.15474327]

>>15474310
Im exactly 122, so close to not being a midwit baka

[Anonymous No.15474344]

>>15474327
I hope you study something in the humanities. You won't be good at anything STEM related.
I can become a web dev and at least be paid decently with some luck.

[Anonymous No.15474355]

there's an abnormal amount of pedos in the ivy league i wonder why

[Anonymous No.15474365]

This ought to satisfy a midwit such as yourself.

[Anonymous No.15474366]

>>15474344
Depends on whether you're better at verbal or mathematical reasoning desu wa

[Anonymous No.15474379]

>>15474355
IQ is a good measure of g and ones verbal intelligence is most likely within one standard deviation of one's IQ in a WAIS test for males and closer still for females.

[Anonymous No.15474385]

>>15474379
Meant for >>15474366
Not >>15474355

[Anonymous No.15474403]

>>15474379
>>15474385
Is this supposed to contradict the assertion that a person with an IQ of ~120 could do well in STEM depending on whether they're better at verbal or mathematical reasoning?

[Anonymous No.15474410]

>>15474403
(I'd say maybe you should have an IQ of at least like 110 before you go and become an engineer, 120 isn't necessary)

[Anonymous No.15474414]

>>15474403
IQ is analytical ability, you can't be good at math with a low IQ.
If you have a high verbal intelligence it does not raise IQ, it raises g which is not directly measured.
IQ was already known and my assertion was that 122 IQ is not enough to excel at STEM.

[Anonymous No.15474424]

>>15474344
>You won't be good at anything STEM related.
engineers are borderline retarded
he'll be fine with a 122

t. 97 IQ controls engineer

[Anonymous No.15474428]

>>15474322
No successful student needs a high IQ.

[Anonymous No.15474448]

>>15474414
Excellence isn't a determining factor in whether you graduate with a STEM degree or attain a lucrative position with that degree. Plenty of engineering students get Ds.

[Anonymous No.15474449]

>>15474424
I never said one couldn't do stem with an IQ of 122, I said one wouldn't excel.
Any bachelor degree is within reach with an IQ of 122.

[Anonymous No.15474479]

>>15474310
write yourself a program in java that will analyze it dummy

[Anonymous No.15474486]

>>15474479
>java

[Anonymous No.15474521]

>>15474414
Excelling is different from being competent. Not every programmer needs to be a Google engineer. Also IQ is a test score, one which is strongly correlated with a theorized underlying general analytical ability g, a subcomponent of which is verbal reasoning; neither g-VPR nor the 3 stratum model explicitly look for mathematical ability so it's hard to say more on that subject, I wouldn't say it's just synonymous with g though

[Anonymous No.15474533]

>>15474449
That’s not what you said at all. What’s your IQ again?

[Anonymous No.15474558]

Why is everyone on /lit/ so obsessed with IQ?

[Anonymous No.15474583]

>>15474310
IQ is absolutely horseshit tho

[Anonymous No.15474590]

>>15474424
>controls engineer.
That's not real engineering

[Anonymous No.15474728]

>>15474558
We had a cross board IQ test and came out on top years and years ago. That attracted people who are obsessed with IQ that on some level think that posting here means they then have a high IQ.

[Anonymous No.15474772]

>tfw 131 iq and in a shitty college

[Anonymous No.15474784]

What even is the threshold for being accepted for a masters program at an Ivy league school in the humanities such as lit or phil?
Do they really put a far greater focus on forming an ideal class each year rather than just picking the highest grade applciants from the most prestigious universities?
It would make it easier to get in perhaps but also reduce the appeal of the place.

[Anonymous No.15474786]

>>15474772
So use your heightened analytical ability to deduce the steps necessary to achieve success in spite of this handicap

[Anonymous No.15474791]

>>15474310
iq is a pseudoscience
only insecure faggots take it seriously

[Anonymous No.15474800]

>>15474310
>ivy leagues are for smart people

[Anonymous No.15474808]

>>15474791
IQ is pretty strongly correlated with various measures of life success like income, marital status, home ownership, health, etc.

[Anonymous No.15474814]

I heard that IQ is strongly correlated with the SAT. What does it mean if I consistently and effortlessly scored around 700/800 on the Reading section, but also consistently scored like 400 - 500 on the Math?

[Anonymous No.15474815]

>>15474344
>>15474414
>>15474449
Use of the term 'STEM' is indicative of low IQ.

[Anonymous No.15474820]

>>15474800
This, Ivy League is full of deathnics gommunists and trannys

[Anonymous No.15474821]

>>15474791
t. insecure because of low IQ

[Anonymous No.15474841]

What does it feel like to be average iq? It’s so weird to me people can go about life living like this

[Anonymous No.15474854]

>>15474808
>>15474821
there was a annoyingly retarded tripfag on /p/ with an iq of 155. that fag was one of the most dumb and autistic person on the board.

[Anonymous No.15474860]

>>15474841
80 iq checking in here. Life is good. I play ball with the bros, get shitfaced, and chase skirts while I make business connections.

[Anonymous No.15474868]

>>15474860
Sub 85 iq is honestly based, I respect you. 100 iq on the other hand...

[Anonymous No.15474938]

>128 IQ
>Graduated from a shitty public school that no one has ever heard of

[Anonymous No.15474973]

>>15474854
I don't see why an anecdote is relevant in any way
or if his IQ was actually verified

>>15474938
>anecdote of you being a lazy fuck is relevant in any way

>>15474860
>business connections with the IQ of a nigger
sure

[Anonymous No.15474983]

>>15474814
That you should brush up on your algebra, because it is statistically highly unlikely that a person who scores in the top percentiles of verbal analytical ability would score in the lower percentiles of mathematical analytical ability, absent some extenuating circumstance - like not being familiar enough with elementary math skills.

[Anonymous No.15474989]

>>15474973
>>business connections with the IQ of a nigger
haha this place is too funny. building social relationships only takes a charming smile

[Anonymous No.15475005]

Germanon here, I read a paper on the IQ's of the top students in high school a couple of years ago and the average was apparently 117.

[Anonymous No.15475007]

>>15474973
who are you quoting

[Anonymous No.15475033]

>>15475005
At about 115 you are capable of having a successful career in 95% of "cognitively demanding" jobs. Higher than that certainly helps, but isn't absolutely necessary unless you want to become like a STEM professor or a C-suite executive

[Anonymous No.15475038]

>>15474973
autism

[Anonymous No.15475055]

are any of you study at prestigious/ivy league schools? I am at one and feel like the standard of intelligence is pretty high here. you just have to find the right people (theyre usually not uk home students)

[Anonymous No.15475230]

>>15475055
Imperial reporting in

[Anonymous No.15475242]

>>15475230
what do you study? i applied for theoretical physics and they rejected me!

[Anonymous No.15475257]

>>15474814
The Evidence Based Reading section of the SAT is probably heavily based on innate intelligence. The grammar and math sections depends on how much you actually studied

[Anonymous No.15475266]

>>15475242
ChemE. Were you invited for an interview? Also, are you an international student?

[Anonymous No.15475423]

>>15475055
Cornell, data science. The college scene is for retards tho, it’s full of professors stoking their own egos, dumb leftists who think they got the world figured out that put “spookbuster” stickers on their laptops and argue red fish blue fish, and alphabet soup people

[Anonymous No.15475533]

http://polymatharchives.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-inappropriately-excluded.html

This one is a classic. Absolute classic. Your chances of being in an elite profession go DOWN once you get past ~133 in IQ

[Anonymous No.15475565]

>>15474983
I was in the 400s for writing 5 or 600 for reading and perfect score for math

[Anonymous No.15475579]

>>15475565
Writing is total bullshit, 600's is middle tier which is not unheard of being paired with high ability in other categories

[Anonymous No.15475590]

>>15475533
this is no surprise to me at all, the smarter you are the less you think about solving other people's problems

[Anonymous No.15475709]

>>15474366
Verbal reasoning is a meme. To be a great writer you need high spatial reasoning, It's what causes work to be "intelligent and thought provoking".

[Anonymous No.15475713]

>>15475709
Big if true

[Anonymous No.15475723]

>>15475709
lol

[Anonymous No.15475732]

Academia is mostly for midwits.

[Anonymous No.15475759]

>>15475723
>>15475713
Spatial IQ determine the level of audience you're appealing to, Verbal only decorate the content and realizations and make it somewhat more interesting, 135+ Verbal with 100-115 Spatial aim should be writing a popular children book and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.15475769]

>>15475055
UNC. Only school I applied to

[Anonymous No.15475771]

>>15475759
seethe

[Anonymous No.15475779]

Got a Phd in Maths with just a slightly above average IQ. OP doesn't know what he's talking about. With hard work and dedication almost anyone can make it in STEM. And IQ is just showing you are good at taking IQ tests. When it comes to real higher order learning, it's irrelevant. Like I said, OP is probably larping in his life as someone with a high IQ, but in reality he's most likely just average or slightly under the average population.

[Anonymous No.15475825]

>>15474310
>10-15% of the student body are legacy students
>Brown #3 major is Biology
>Columbia #2 and #3 are Pol Sci and Psych
>Cornell #2 Business #3 Biology
>Dartmouth #2 Government #3 History
>Harvard #2 Government
>Penn #3 Nursing
>Yale #2 Pol Sci #3 History

Probably something to do with that.
>>15474344
122 is fine for any of the easier engineering degrees, most sciences. The only things that would be likely to filter a sufficiently dedicated person of that IQ would be Math/Physics/Philosophy. Some of the most rigorous engineering disciplines are on the edge of what such a person could accomplish, and economics would be a little hard too, but really only the three I mentioned first should be discarded out of hand at that intelligence.

[Anonymous No.15475848]

Anons link good free IQ online tests

[Anonymous No.15475857]

>>15475825
100 is fine for any STEM undergrad. You overestimate how difficult it is.

[Anonymous No.15475862]

>>15475848
https://web.archive.org/web/20180701142825/http://www.cerebrals.org/jcti/index.html

Scores here are usually even lower than official IQ tests. It's also harder than most of them.

[Anonymous No.15475871]

>>15475848
Don't bother, they only make you good at taking IQ tests

[Anonymous No.15475883]

>>15474449
>I said one wouldn't excel.
And that's good thing. Most scientific "progress" has brought the world nothing but pain.

[rapture1 No.15475898]

>>15475055

i've loved the ivy league, you get your stream of dolts but also some real gems; it seems pretty self-selecting, ultimately.

where do you go, friend?

anyone from harvard/MIT here?

[Anonymous No.15475900]

>>15475779

[Anonymous No.15475921]

>>15475857
I'm assuming the person in question plans to do reasonably well and get a job afterwards. Accomplishing a BA for almost any subject doesn't require an above average IQ.

[Anonymous No.15475923]

>>15474310
>tfw now aware I almost certainly could have attended an Ivy League school
>attended low-tier STEM-focused state university for financial reasons instead
>got two toilet paper humanities degrees
It's a very surreal feeling knowing that the choices I made in the last few years utterly ruined the rest of my life.

[Anonymous No.15475940]

On 4chan everyone has at least a 135 IQ. In fact I don't think I have ever seen someone on 4chan report an IQ between 110 and 120.

[Anonymous No.15475943]

>>15475923
Literally incel reasoning

[Anonymous No.15475963]

>>15475940
I got 115 when tested by a psych.

I did intentionally fucks some up though to make sure I got an adhd diagnosis

[Anonymous No.15475969]

>>15475943
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.15475975]

>>15475969
"my life is over because of something unfortunate that happened to me in the past" (subtext: yay now I don't have to try and can just wallow in self-pity)

[Anonymous No.15475984]

>>15475975
I was being somewhat facetious and don't intend to let this actually ruin my life. That said, there can be no denying that I made things more difficult for myself.

[Anonymous No.15476005]

>>15474772
Did you take the SAT? If so what did you score?

[Anonymous No.15476232]

>>15475055
I graduated from UF. Is that prestigious?

[Anonymous No.15476409]

I was tested at a 98 iq when I was a kid, mechanical engineer now though. I will say one can gain valuable insight from being retarded.

[Anonymous No.15476488]

>>15474814
Anybody who has actually taken both knows this is retarded. Iq tests ask you things about patterns and shit like folding a paper then cutting a hole than unfolding. The biggest thing is you don’t study for an iq test

Sat is just standard reading/math shit you are encouraged to study and take classes for

[Anonymous No.15476505]

>>15475984

>there can be no denying that I made things more difficult for myself.

good. sounds like fun, anon

[Anonymous No.15476506]

>>15474344
my iq is 118 and i got a phd in information theory and now work at a national research lab

[Anonymous No.15476515]

>>15476005
1370, only took it once and didn’t study for it. I was super depressed at that time

[Anonymous No.15476522]

>>15474590
stability theory literally keeps the world and society from falling apart. it is also extremely mathematically ugly and complicated

[Anonymous No.15476621]

>>15474310
>statistics
“The statistical method shows the facts in the light of the ideal average but does not give us a picture of their empirical reality. While reflecting an indisputable aspect of reality, it can falsify the actual truth in a most misleading way. This is particularly true of theories which are based on statistics. The distinctive thing about real facts, however, is their individuality. Not to put too fine a point on it, once could say that the real picture consists of nothing but exceptions to the rule, and that, in consequence, absolute reality has predominantly the character of irregularity.”
C.G. Jung, The Undiscovered Self

[Anonymous No.15476692]

>>15474414
You're wrong. IQs in that range are not common. 120 is good enough for most high caste jobs in the technoindustrial system. Feynman tested very close to the 120 range. The average engineer is well within that range as well.

[Anonymous No.15476694]

>>15474590
it's a subset of EE which is the most rigorous engineering major

fucking retard

[Anonymous No.15476765]

It's slightly higher for STEM fields in ivy league

[Anonymous No.15476791]

>>15474814
You read wrong. Current sats correlation is less than 0.65 which leave gigantic room for "error", A person with even 100IQ can score in the top 1%.

[Anonymous No.15476911]

>>15474310
"nasim taleb IQ." google that, and read it

[Anonymous No.15477031]

>>15474344
>you won’t be good in STEM
Richard Feynman had an iq of like 125 yet got the highest entrance exam score of all time at his ivy and won national math competitions

[Anonymous No.15477043]

>>15474590
You are dumb as fuck. It’s the ONLY sub discipline of engineering that is an extremely integral part of all other disciplines (mech, chem, nuke, electrical&electronic, civil). It’s one of the newest and most difficult

[Anonymous No.15477239]

>>15474800
Literally this. Ivy league schools are only for incredibly wealthy students or affirmative actions cases. Trust me I got denied at every top school despite having perfect grades and standardized test scores. If you are a white male forget about them entirely.

[Anonymous No.15477464]

>>15474310
Holy smokes, I smoked dem Ivies bois an I'm black, so take dat. Roll it up in ur bell curve and smoke it.

[Anonymous No.15477482]

>>15477031
relatedly i read that faulkner had an iq of 103

[Anonymous No.15477492]

https://mensa.dk/iqtest/

It gave me 133.
Apparently it's a pretty accurate for the matrix problem portion of an administered iq test, and although that's not enough to really judge you, it's still fun. The only one that stumped me was the last one, but I must have gotten some others wrong as well.
I'm curious to see how others score, and when the test became impossibly difficult for you.
And no taking it twice.
They said it was a good test "especially the Danish one", so that's the one I took, you can translate it in Google when you finish.

[Anonymous No.15477527]

>>15477239
Nonsense. I have a white male friend who went to Princeton and two others, one white, one half white, who were accepted, and we come from nowhere special in Texas.

[Anonymous No.15477533]

>>15477492
There needs to be an "effects of fapping on IQ test scores" continuous thread study on this site, lol. We may get some fascinating data.

[Anonymous No.15477817]

>>15474938
>130 IQ
>dropped out of public school in grade 11 to sit in my room and smoke weed

[Anonymous No.15477854]

>>15477492
What was the answer to the mickey mouse one?

[Anonymous No.15477903]

>>15477854
The dots inside the circle can be thought of as -1, so the first two columns add together into the 3rd column, and the first two rows into the 3rd row, which would give you +2 -2 +2 -2 equals 0 so it's A.

[Anonymous No.15477914]

>>15477903
I see now, thanks.

[Anonymous No.15477924]

>>15474344
>15474344
Feynman had an IQ of 125

[Anonymous No.15477929]

>>15474583
It's not absolute horseshit, but it's not the say all tell all that we've been led to believe by some people.

>>15474800
>>15474820
Not to mention affirmative action

[Anonymous No.15478362]

>>15475862
That test was hard and never fucking ended
I fell between 121-132

[Anonymous No.15478505]

>>15474841
I'm unironically 93 iq. I don't mind it too much, kind of wish i was a bit more intelligent.

[Anonymous No.15478619]

>>15476515
If Ivies were really smart, they should count for statistical deviation. I.e. you score perfect one time on one test and bad on the next. You are within the top 5% of test takers and this is without studying. "Scholastic Aptitude Testing" is a joke.
>>15477031
Richard Feyman was an Ivy prep-kiddo from the get go. Feynman never did anything of worth and the thing he got the Nobel for was some symbolic shorthand of some equation.
>>15477527
White people (who make up 72% of Americans) are represented by no more than 50% in most Ivies. That means American nationals are being passed over for international or foreign exchanges.

[Anonymous No.15478802]

>>15478619
>That means American nationals are being passed over for international or foreign exchanges.
Of course. How do you think we maintain such global power? We use these institutions as a culturising and networking facility of sorts. A percentage of these bright foreigners choose to stay, and those who leave, leave with ties and friendships to our country, giving us foreign influence. Don't cry about it, you're reaping the rewards as well as the drawbacks.

[Anonymous No.15478836]

>>15474344

As long as you do internships and aren't a retard you can get a well paying job with any field of study. People need to do college properly. High IQ not needed for any field, work ethic and communication skills needed. People are too lazy to do a multi-page proof, it's less effort to write your opinion and search google scholar for studies that affirm what you're saying. An above average IQ is irrelevant unless you're a top professional.

[Anonymous No.15479232]

>>15478802
You sound like your typical machivellian so I'm going to assume your argument was made in bad faith.

First, let's disseminate your argument. It is essentially, "it's okay to discriminate against white American citizens on the condition it benefits Americans" which boils down to "the ends justify the means". This is a terrible argument, not only does it not affect America but it hurts American individuals. Not only that, but you have failed to support your case with any meaningful statistics.

[Anonymous No.15479265]

>>15479232
Bury your head in the sand and cry then, pleb. It won't change anything you idiot. Did you really think that answer would get me to do research on your behalf? Hah! Get real kid.

[Anonymous No.15479301]

>>15474860
Sub 90 IQ is preferable to 100-120 IQ.

[Anonymous No.15479306]

>>15475898
I go to Harvard

[Anonymous No.15479307]

Grouped by major?
Sportsballs and diversity selects aren't maximizing. Legacies could also be a regression to the mean.

[Anonymous No.15479317]

>>15479232
>"it's okay to discriminate against lower class American citizens on the condition it benefits higher class Americans citizens"
Fixed that for you. Any state anywhere everywhen is a personal property of several dozen families run to the benefit of several hundred affiliated client families. You should have guessed as much when thinking about the leet colleges.

[Anonymous No.15479412]

>>15479301
is that the official midwit zone?

[Anonymous No.15479683]

Got a 125 on that online danish test. Guess i'm better than an ivy league faggot
t. software engineer

[Anonymous No.15479721]

>>15478802
>you're reaping the rewards

there are no rewards in being middle or lower class in this negrified shithole

[Anonymous No.15480124]

>>15475862
Online tests are inaccurate. First, because they don't use enough different subtests, and tend to use "learnable" tasks that test crystallized intelligence. Second, because a score of 100 usually corresponds to the average of people who take the test, not the mean white score, as in real IQ tests. So. If the average person who takes online IQ tests is probably around 115, you might have to add as much as what, a full standard deviation to your score?

[Anonymous No.15480203]

>>15475055
WashU. Any Jews here? :)

[Anonymous No.15480868]

>>15475898
Harvard AM alum here...living in Europe now. I miss a good IPA at the John Harvard and a slide at Pinocchio's...

[Anonymous No.15480982]

I used to shitpost about IQ on 4chan before I went to college, now that i've graduated I think it's a load of garbage and the most important factor in college success is time spent studying.

But people (particularly Americans because they are so sheltered) don't want to hear that they actually have to put in effort to accomplish things.

[Anonymous No.15481020]

what the heck is this thread? 122 seems too high. why are people acting like it's low?

[Anonymous No.15481040]

>>15479721
Then leave, spoiled brat.

[Anonymous No.15481042]

>>15477464
black and based

[Anonymous No.15481506]

>>15478802
>A percentage of these bright foreigners choose to stay, and those who leave, leave with ties and friendships to our country
top kek, as they say

[Anonymous No.15481574]

>>15478802
>giving us foreign influence.
giving Israel foreign influence*
Fixed that for you. Modern USA is a colony of Israel.

[Anonymous No.15481582]

>>15475055
Columbia, yeah most people here are smart in some way but usually it's poorly rounded
The smartest people here are actually the NYC jews which is weird to say, since they're the ones most likely to be from wealth and therefore buy their way in, but nah they're definitely smarter than the millions of autistic chinese stem students here
>>15475423
Bruh I'm in data science too
Come down to NYC some time

[Anonymous No.15481586]

>>15479306
do you come to the boston lit meetups (precovid)

[Anonymous No.15481617]

>>15474310
like ivy leagues arent just for trust fund babies and rich spergs

[Anonymous No.15481623]

>>15474772
>shitty college
>1370 SAT
there you go, anon

[Anonymous No.15481631]

>>15475769
they said prestigious

[Anonymous No.15481684]

>>15477903
Is it really a test of intelligence to be able to see that? I feel like most people could learn to recognise these patterns and get higher scores.

[Anonymous No.15481694]

>>15475533
woah it's literally me

[Anonymous No.15481730]

>>15475825
>>15474344
I’ve taken various online IQ tests, with results ranging from 94-133. I get around 112-121 on the supposedly accurate tests like Mensa Norway and others. Do you think I should forget about going for a philosophy/linguistics degree? It is my passion but if it’s out of my reach I’d prefer to just teach it to myself.
On the other hand, maybe I should just kill myself? There honestly doesn’t seem to be much to live for with a brain like mine. I will never go down in history or achieve anything. I won’t even be able to understand the works of people who did go down in history and did achieve something. So what’s the point? I wish I had never taken the tests so I wouldn’t have to worry about it, but it is what it is. Been thinking about it a long time and it seems like suicide is really the best choice.

[Anonymous No.15481736]

>>15479306
What do you study? You’re a student there now?

[Anonymous No.15481740]

>>15477239
sounds to me like you're making excuses, anon

[Anonymous No.15481896]

>>15481020
Just like people on this site act like 7x5 is small and 6'1 is manlet

[Anonymous No.15481903]

>>15478802
Yeah, let's give China 60% of our university admissions and let them go back to their home country, what could possibly go wrong?

[Anonymous No.15481986]

>>15481730
Don't let some online test dictate your life. Pursue your goals and try for yourself. I was also scared of uni and was under the false impression that it's infinitely harder than high school, but it turned out just fine in the end. Don't give up, anon.

[Anonymous No.15482294]

>>15474310
Ah like princeton caltech and mit for da mafs i dont know the others but they look shite

[Anonymous No.15482499]

>>15474310
I'm 145+ and the smartest poster on /biz/.
I don't read and only watch shounen anime. Please get on my level, plebs.