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[Anonymous No.15472937]

Whats the verdict on Nieztche ?

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[Anonymous No.15472982]

He's the Scrappy Doo of philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15472983]

>>15472937
Edgy, hypocritical and unnecessarily cryptic

[Anonymous No.15472991]

onanist

[Anonymous No.15473003]

Great

[Anonymous No.15473076]

>>15472982

[Anonymous No.15473091]

>>15472983

>unnecessarily cryptic

Guess how I know you got filtered?

[Anonymous No.15473155]

>>15472937
man hat ihn nicht verstanden

[Anonymous No.15473188]

>>15472983
so this is how brainlets see him

[Anonymous No.15473193]

>hic niger est

[Anonymous No.15473203]

>>15472982
holy kek

[Anonymous No.15473212]

>>15473091
>>15473188
Guess how I know you're 14?

[Anonymous No.15473251]

>>15472937
Brilliant enough to see the world with astonishing clarity but not brilliant enough to create a cohesive world of his own vision. Not a knock on him, tho. I doubt anyone alive today could succeed where he failed.

[Anonymous No.15473257]

>>15473212
i wish is was

[Anonymous No.15473269]

>>15473251
>not brilliant enough to create a cohesive world of his own vision
that literally the point of his entire philosophy, you the reader create your own tables of values and interpretations of reality

[Anonymous No.15473460]

>>15473269
Eh, fair point. Though his prediction of the Ubermensch is very clearly an attempt at imposing his own will and vision on the world, and I'd argue the Ubermensch is the most incoherent concept in his whole philosophical body.

[Anonymous No.15473464]

>>15472937
pretty good my guy

[Anonymous No.15473608]

good

[Anonymous No.15473612]

>>15472983
>cryptic
what?

[Anonymous No.15473622]

>>15472937
>Nieztche

[Anonymous No.15473626]

>>15473212
>Guess how I know you're 14?

[Anonymous No.15473641]

>>15473626
Lol I was just trolling

[Anonymous No.15473775]

>>15472937
He suffers from his reputation and popularity. They confer titles and a grandiosity to his work that really don't hold when you actually read his stuff. He's more colloquial and emotional than people give him credit for, and has astonishing moments of self-awareness that conflict with equally-astonishing moments of empty, but pretty, rhetoric. I think he's really one of the first examples of a modern artistic figure testing out irony mixed with bigger ideas.

Give it a century and he'll probably be taught, or at least discussed, in larger detail throughout the public sphere. How he sought to make meaning out of its then-apparent lack is, in my opinion, indispensable on a certain level to the crisis of post-post-ironic post-modernism we find ourselves in currently, both online and irl. He's not the most amazing writer or thinker to ever walk the earth, but he gave it a shot, and he made some pretty great stuff when he was here. He's owed more than his given but not as much as people blindly attribute to him without meeting him first.

[Anonymous No.15473791]

>>15473775
What do you think is his works biggest misinterpretation?

[Anonymous No.15473834]

>>15473775
>He's not the most amazing writer or thinker to ever walk the earth
oh really?
Who is better than him?
come on faggot, name them
ops you can't

[Anonymous No.15473848]

>>15473775
he's a pretty great poetical writer desu. His command of the German language is truly great, he uses German like Greek which makes sense since he was a classical philologist.

[Anonymous No.15473889]

>>15472937
>I remember my first prosaic meeting with Nietzsche, an awful vermin peddling some of the most polluted prose I'd the displeasure of reading. It is only proper that he take down those who are greater than him since the man has no contributions of his own to make, only boyish squabbles on why the greats give him a childish tingle in the nether regions.
Nabakov on Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.15473927]

>>15473889
that's some cope from Nabokov

[Anonymous No.15474315]

>>15473791
He often parodied the same themes he preached within the same works -- you can see this especially in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. I think the biggest general misinterpretation of his work, other than the bastardization of his philosophy the Third Reich spat out, was that he's not calling for any one particular person/way to overcome the human being, but rather that navigating the ups and downs of overcoming is a complex process that will take a long time, for anyone, to successfully accomplish.

>>15473834
Joyce, Nabokov, Homer, most any Greek in terms of overall style/prose as well as thematics. I love Nietzsche but there are plenty other writers, for me at least, that are at least better than he was in terms of style, even if I don't enjoy them as much.

>>15473848
I agree. I love his style -- but it can be juvenile and messy at times. It's one of the more charming parts of his books, but it doesn't cover for little mistakes and flaws. He's one of my favorite writers for sure, but there are definite missteps in how he wrote, at least in my opinion. Tbf as well, I haven't read him in the original German -- I know that's a pleb move, but I do hope one day I'll be able to make that climb.

[Anonymous No.15474341]

>>15474315
what do you think is Nietzsche's endgame? using his work and forming your own morals?

[Anonymous No.15474481]

>>15473889
god what an asshole Nabokov he makes Nietzsche look like the nice guy

[Anonymous No.15474710]

>>15474341
To an extent, but I think it's also important to remember that Nietzsche, in his own attempt to obliterate idols, created one himself in his own voice/person through his writing. No one's got all the answers, even him, but I do think he's a helpful starting point -- or it's at least nice to know that someone else felt the same sense of existential terror after all his institutions that gave him a sense of meaning were destroyed.

I think Nietzsche's work holds its own value far beyond just what you can take away from it, tbf. But he also provides a lot of interesting, complex hypothetical tools you can use to investigate what you think meaning is.

[Anonymous No.15474836]

>>15474315
I haven't read him in English but I'm certain that a lot of his style is lost in translation. Like Joyce and Nabokov, he plays around with language in a very unique and complex way (I can't imagine trying to translate Zarathustra). Just taking from the first page:

"Dazu muß ich in die Tiefe steigen: wie du des Abends tust, wenn du hinter das Meer gehst und noch der Unterwelt Licht bringst, du überreiches Gestirn!

Ich muß, gleich dir, untergehen, wie die Menschen es nennen, zu denen ich hinab will."

Here he uses "Untergang/untergehen" in several ways to combine the setting of the sun (unter gehen), the realm of the dead (Unterwelt), his journey among men (unter die Menschen gehen), his journey down from the mountain (hinunter/hinab) and his own demise (Untergang), all while contrasting it to the "overrich" sun itself "überreich" which already implies the whole Übermensch dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.15474866]

>>15472937
cringelord

[Anonymous No.15474931]

>>15472937
He's worse than a fire truck, he's... may allah forgive me for saying it... a wagner cuck