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1546025 No.1546025 [Reply] [Original]

This book is complete shit. It's nothing but a bunch of poorly written, wandering, ramblings that can barely be construed as having any semblance to a story or message. Edgy hipster garbage.

Is there something I'm missing? Why the fuck to people like this?

>> No.1546031

> Hunter S. Thompson
> hipster
> mfw

>> No.1546034

>>1546025

I raged.

>> No.1546035
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1546035

Fuck you man and your cheapshit categorizations from your age sometimes rambling is the point

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>>1546035

And the overall messages of F&L were....

Pic Related

>> No.1546049

>>1546035
>mfw writing was actually typing
>no pix because this post is post-postmodern
<your face when green text was too mainstream
>god, i need an American Spirit

>> No.1546056
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>>1546044

How the old-world notion of the 'American Dream' -- and its only real counter-point, the 60's counter-culture movement -- fizzled and died catastrophically; how the city of Las Vegas, in all its self-contained neon insanity, crystallizes this; finally, meeting form with function (and author being who he is), how going on an all-out hallucinogenic nightmare-tour of the city itself is the ONLY applicable way to explore this.

F&L is the height, crash, and postmortem examination of the counter-culture movement in America.

And you're a fucking moron.

>> No.1546057

I was initially irritated by this but then I realized that's exactly how I feel about Catcher in the Rye.

Still, sage for a probable troll thread

>> No.1546072
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1546072

He hit a niche market. When I was in high school, me and my friends all thought it was the shit. Some of us grew up, went to college, and got good jobs. We realized it was shit as soon as we stopped making drugs a daily habit. The rest of the crowd either fucked up their lives or became art majors and still maintain that it's a good book. Moral of the story, there's a reason why it's called dope kids.

>> No.1546075

>>1546072

I guess as long as you think you're free, you won't mind being a slave.

>> No.1546085

>>1546072

> implying that . . . oh forget it. Just 'fuck you' is the general gist.

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1546088

>>1546075

Yep, it's called 401k. But hey man, that's just like, my journey ya know.

>> No.1546092

you realize this is journalism, and originally appeared as various magazine articles, right?

>> No.1546093

>>1546072

I was going to rage, then I realized it's somewhat true.

I still think it's a good book, but for those who either miss or don't agree with the point, then you sir are absolutely correct.

Most people do just like it because lol omg he's talking about tripping and Jonny Depp was so great in that movie. But if you look past the drugs or even look for the reason why he felt it should be done on drugs, then you find a man who's just outgrown youth looking back and trying to make sense of the ideas he used to believe in.

The part of it that I agree with you about is that your belief mirrors the story. You see that people either grow up or wasted away the same way that he does. With a little thought, you could at least appreciate that you and the author are standing on different sides of the mirror. He chose to go out with a bang (no pun intended) you decided to just grow up, bite the bitter, and become a more productive member of society.

>> No.1546098

>>1546072

Drugs are to Fear and Loathing what swords and spears are to a fantasy book. They're important, they're the main agent and consequence of all action...but fucking hell, if you think that's what the book's about, or you need to personally own some to properly enjoy it . . . you've just missed the goddamn point entirely.

>> No.1546104

>>1546093

Thank you for providing an interesting perspective. You are not a faggot.

Sincerely, OP

>> No.1546108

>>1546093
>Johnny Depp

You mean Bill Murray. Bill Murray was so good in that movie.

>> No.1546109

Don't even get me started on Where the Buffalo Roam.

>> No.1546112

>>1546098

Swords don't make the fantasy novel good though.

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>>1546108

Too weird to live, too rare to die.

RIP Bill :'(

>> No.1546115

>>1546112

Drugs don't make Fear and Loathing good either -- it's Thompson's skillful transposition of his state of mind while using them, and the way he tied that into the general thesis of the book.

>> No.1546123

Fear and Loathing is Thompson's criticism of the careless drug culture and Timothy Leary's misguided drug ventures

>> No.1546124

>>1546098

I never saw the drugs as the main focal point of the book, I merely think the rhetoric did a poor job representing its topic. F&L is to counter culture what Twilight is to Vampire lore. You may rage.

>> No.1546129

>>1546124

> Fear and Loathing
> Twilight
> same sentence

brb sputtering incoherently

>> No.1546130

>>1546129

You must be reading F&L aloud then.

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>>1546130

>> No.1546139

>>1546132

Thank you, I'll be here all evening.

>> No.1546144

>>1546025
FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU CUNT HIPSTER AS AN ADJECTIVE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IT MEANS BASICALLY WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT IT TO I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE USE IT TO DESCRIBE THINGS RAR RAR RAR

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>>1546144

Are you a dinosaur?

>> No.1546159

>>1546025

>Edgy hipster garbage.

Ah, condescension. If only we were all as intelligent and praiseworthy as you, my friend.

>> No.1546162

>>1546159

Amen

>> No.1546198

I'm a journalism major, and I'm surrounded by people who praise Thompson for his insights into counterculture. However, I agree with OP. Thompson succeeds only in saying counterculture died out and failed because the environment didn't approve of, or couldn't sustain, their lifestyle. So in some ways, it perfectly executes its goal. A shitty book that fails to go anywhere = a shitty movement that fails to do anything.

>> No.1546204

>>1546144

Seriously, when did hipster become such a catch-all pejorative that its meaning was broad enough to apply to HUNTER FUCKING THOMPSON?

I believe the word you're looking for is 'pretentious'.

Now your use of the word hipster as a DIRECT SUBSTITUTE for the word 'pretentious' -- because, like, hipsters are SO last year? -- is, itself, a little hipster-y.

Just saiyan.

>> No.1546208

>>1546025
HST writes excellent prose, though what he writes is interesting rather than sublime.

>>a story or message
If you want a book with winners, losers, and instructions to the reader on how to win based on the story as an example, try Aesop's Fables. If that's not hardcore enough for you, try a book of proverbs or an instruction manual. Oh, and there's this franchise where they read out messages for free every sunday, but I forget the name.

>> No.1546216

>>1546204

Nice.

>> No.1546218

>>1546204

The internet retard tribes and high school fuck up federation have commandeered the term and use it to mean "anything I don't like".

>> No.1546231

>>1546218

A while ago I heard my brother's friends talking, and I caught the phrase "metal is so hipster ".

Since then I can hear only screaming.

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>>1546204

This thread has me depply concerned.

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>>1546231

Ellipsis.

>> No.1546255

>>1546239
Obammy's such a hipster fggt.

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1546260

>>1546255
supergroup

>> No.1546264

I'm about to start it today

I have never taken, nor have any which to take, drugs

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>>1546260

>> No.1546285

>>1546255

You're a cool punk random hipster emo faggot motherfucker

It's amazing how many words have completely lost any semantic value, and how many people just plod on, reciting them with no point or purpose.

I actually wonder if you could write a whole paragraph/piece using words like that, and saying absolutely nothing, and whether that could work as a litmus test for pretentious dickwads?

Oh wait.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

>> No.1546342

>>1546044
The overall message of this thread is that some readers need an overall message explicitly delivered to them.
Crime Does Not Pay.
The Importance of Family.
Sacrifices Bring Reward.
Overcoming Adversity.
OP is a Faggot.

>> No.1546364

>>1546342

I all likely-hood, OP has probably abandoned the thread. Just sage and let it die. Fucking hipster.

>> No.1546444

>>1546264

>doesn't want to take drugs
>can't spell "wish"
>time to start with the drugs, maybe? You couldn't get any more fucking stupid.

>> No.1546508

>>1546056

This.

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>>1546056
>>1546035
>>1546159
>>1546123
>>1546115
>>1546098

All of these. Also, hipster isn't a genre or way to define a literary body. Just saying, because most "hipster" books are simply older contemporary classics (ie 60 to 70 years ago and on).

>> No.1547780

you missed the point completely. the whole point of the book is that there is no point - all about the death of the american dream. And then if there is no dream, no ambition, if ife is meaningless, we may well just enjoy the ride, and get as fucked up as possible and take lotsa drugs and piss people off.

>> No.1547798

>>1547748
No, 40 to 50 years ago. Thomas Pynchon is revered by hipsters who carry around Gravity's Rainbow to look smart and don't actually read it.

>> No.1547799

>>1547748
In short the use of hipster invalids all further comments.

>> No.1547803

>>1547748
>>1547798
But isn't Tao Lin hipster lit?

Maybe you don't know, you've probably never heard of him.

>> No.1547807

>>1547803
Sup Tao?

>> No.1547817

>>1547780
Im taking American lit and towards the postmod end of the scale the shits all the same, just naval gazing nihilism. Are the euro critics right? (especially Baudrillard,Adorno and Jameson)Is American culture just shit?

>> No.1547828

>>1547817
No, Euro critics are humorless cocks.

>> No.1547832

>>1547828
>>1547828

seconded

>> No.1547842

I agree with OP. The writing is poor beyond words, and the book can only be interesting to someone who for whatever reason gives a fuck about so-called "counterculture".

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>>1547828
Once again you confuse the utterance of the obvious with insightful revelation.

>> No.1547863

Hipster is the counterpart to douchey (i.e. a vague thing that I dislike for reasons that I am unwilling to elaborate beyond calling it hipster/douchey).

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1547889

LOL, my thread is still going.

>> No.1547902

Using the word "hipster" in an argument makes it officially invalid. Fact.

>> No.1547909

>>1547902
Only when it is used as an adjective. If you walk up to some dickhead with a neckbeard and gay thick-rimmed glasses frames with a plaid flannel shirt and skinny jeans and call him a hipster, the point there is completely valid.

>> No.1547915

>>1547842
What do you find so poor about the writing?

>> No.1548852

Not to play the high and mighty pretentious asshole card, but I think almost everyone in this topic who thinks this book is shit is an idiot.

Just because you knew a druggie who liked this book because "IT HAS LIKE DRUGS IN IT MAN" does not mean it is a book meant to glorify drug use.