why in the fuck is this BS required in my Western Lit. survey class

[Anonymous No.15458025]

I wanted to read Camus, Orwell, Huxley, Fitzgerald but no - thats too problematic.
Instead i am required to read pic related.
im not in afriican-american bongo dance studies. im in western lit. why why why.

[Anonymous No.15458040]

>>15458025
which would be fine if it weren't for most black literature just being about the plight of the black man and racism.

[Anonymous No.15458044]

Because her work, along with James Baldwin's, best presents the ideals of the academic caste.

[Anonymous No.15458059]

>>15458025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIdsjNGCGz4

see 2:58

I hope you are taking this as a gen ed and aren't getting some retarded lit degree

[Anonymous No.15458064]

Didn’t know who this was so I looked her up

> In April 2015, speaking of the deaths of Michael Brown, Eric Garner and Walter Scott — three unarmed black men killed by white police officers — Morrison said: "People keep saying, 'We need to have a conversation about race.' This is the conversation. I want to see a cop shoot a white unarmed teenager in the back. And I want to see a white man convicted for raping a black woman. Then when you ask me, 'Is it over?', I will say yes."

Oh great, what a great mind

[Anonymous No.15458065]

>>15458025
i would respect this more if the things you wanted to read weren't so entry level

[Anonymous No.15458069]

>>15458025
read outside of the curriculum. you have a library.

[Anonymous No.15458073]

>>15458025
Give the blacks a chance! Try reading some of the following masterpieces from the African canon so that you may appreciate the contribution blacks have made to the world of literature:

Crime Statistics and Punishment
Kang Lear
One Hundred Years of Fried Chicken
The Grape Soda of Wrath
A Tale of Two Mudhuts
Blood Muhdickian
A Finna to Arms
Heart of Darkies
Da Bruthas Kangazmaov
Pride and Predjudice (the predjudice part being against NIGGERS that is)
Annaynay Kareninquanda
In Search of Lost Crime
The Scarlet Durag
Jane AYYO
Finnegan is Woke
As I lay Jivin’
The Great Gatt
Lolieesha
Where da Little Wimmin at?
The Count of MLK Boulevard
The Incarceration Rate Also Rises
To the Traphouse
The Call of my Dealer
The Wind in The Ghettos
The Trial (but this time it’s anciry district court and the defendant is BLACK)

[Anonymous No.15458088]

>>15458073
LMAOOOOOO BASED

[Anonymous No.15458106]

>>15458073

[Anonymous No.15458118]

>>15458025
because you have this attitude and black literature is under the umbrella of western lit, stop being mad and open your mind anon
>>15458044
Baldwin is based

[Anonymous No.15458119]

>>15458025
Typical black fragility; they have to be included in everything because they are insecure as fuck and they only see race. They are privileged, but they don't understand that they are privileged.

>>15458040
This. I genuinely don't even care about race, but black people only seem to talk about racism and woe is me bullshit for the most part.

>>15458073
Kek

[Anonymous No.15458128]

>>15458069
>read outside of the curriculum. you have a library.
that's not the point.
her books are trash.
they only serve an agenda.

[Anonymous No.15458141]

>>15458118
>Baldwin is based
Overwrought whining about "my oh so precious" humanity is the furthest thing from based possible.

[Anonymous No.15458161]

>>15458119
OP: why do i have to read black authors?

You: all they see is race, all their literature is about race and race only, they're fragile and have to be included

it seems your problem here is that you can't get over race

>>15458128
this kind of is the point, no one is stopping you from reading what you want anon, you're just butthurt that you have to confront a scary unknown

[Anonymous No.15458171]

>>15458064
Dumb negro dont realize this already happens often

[Anonymous No.15458176]

>>15458025
is there a /lit/ school/degree program that requires only white male authors in their curriculum?
you know like a classical degree program without any of the lib/progressive/fem/latinx/globohomo shite attached?

[Anonymous No.15458178]

>>15458059
>a- at least I won't be unoriginal
why did he think this was a good come back?

[Anonymous No.15458184]

>>15458064
Awesome; those things have already happened so I guess it's over. Good job everyone

[Anonymous No.15458186]

>>15458141
you must love poetry then, check out Giovanni's Room if you want to see some very impressive writing that doesn't include a lot of racial themes

[Anonymous No.15458206]

>>15458176
>is there a /lit/ school/degree program that requires only white male authors in their curriculum?
>you know like a classical degree program without any of the lib/progressive/fem/latinx/globohomo shite attached?
if not we should create our own curriculum. sort of like OpenSource University Courses - here's in example for a Computer Science study path: https://github.com/ossu/computer-science

[Anonymous No.15458211]

we've been over this a million times, the normal man will say "they are forcing equality with terrible methodology", the jew will say "you're racist", rinse and repeat.
nothing will happen until people start complaining to the universities en masse.

[Anonymous No.15458216]

>>15458025
>I wanted to read Camus, Orwell, Huxley, Fitzgerald
Cringe. You must be 18+ to post on this board.

[Anonymous No.15458221]

>>15458176
Jane Austen is based, dude.
Either way, OP, I recommend that you focus on what you wanna do outside of class. Look at it this way: The people who now control what you read once had to slog through a curriculum that they hated with as much passion as you do. They read the books they were assigned, did what they were told to do, and did it well, and then in their spare time read what they wanted to read, so that when the time came they were capable of defending their beliefs and presenting a viable alternative to the system.
You must replicate that process. It does not matter that you are right if you are not good at what you have been assigned. You must do well in the present moment, hide your beliefs, and be as a splinter cell waiting to be activated when the time is ripe.

[Anonymous No.15458226]

>>15458221
ok. thats a good way to look at it.
thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.15458237]

university is a business now, mate. you go there and you do what the million-dollar business wants you to do. good goy. sip some onions and masturbate anally to soothe yourself.

[Anonymous No.15458241]

>>15458221
>>15458226
that seems like a cope tho.
why pollute with garbage?
books like pic related only serve a political agenda and add no value to the western canon.

[Anonymous No.15458242]

Any opinions on chester himes and walter mosley?

[Anonymous No.15458243]

>>15458025
Those authors you listed are meant to read in high school, dude. There's nothing left to be said about them. Like it or not, academia is funded by relevance, and post-colonial literature is just that- relevant. If you want to fuel your desire for "intellectual" old classics, then do a course about classics, or, better yet, go do litcrit/history of philosophy. You sound like you just got into uni anyway, you're going to have to deal with the first year fluff before you get to choose some actually interesting causes. Or you just attended a shit university--in which case, be smarter, bro.

[Anonymous No.15458244]

>>15458025
>im not in afriican-american bongo dance studies
Well this kind of attitude is exactly why colleges think this sort of thing is necessary. Also, you should have read Orwell, Huxley, and Fitzgerald in high school

[Anonymous No.15458251]

>>15458244
>the kids don't care about this, so we must shove it down their throats

[Anonymous No.15458265]

>>15458025
Because you're unintelligent? Only unintelligent people go to college in this day and age, it's a vestige of quondam intellectualism, long since deprived of all meaning and which only lives on as a bureaucratic carbuncle. You were fooled into accepting its significance and now you enjoy the fruits of the 'authority' to which you defer. I suggest you embrace it, as either way you have no future in art, bourgeois mediocrity is your fate.

[Anonymous No.15458266]

>>15458025
I took a literature minor in western europe. This was the syllabus:

>start with the bible
>on to the greeks (Aescylus, Sophocles, Aristophanes, Aristotle)
>further on with the Romans (Ovid)
>arthurian legends
>Beowulf
>guest professor who translated Gilgamesh
>Boccaccio
>Chaucer
>Dante
>Shakespeare
>Cervantes
>Schlegel
>Coleridge
>Shelley
>Wordsworth
>Baudelaire
>Balzac
>Flaubert
>Ibsen
>Hamsun
>Dostoyevsky
>Kafka
>Woolf
>Proust
>Beckett
>Celan
>Pynchon

There was exactly one guest lecture about postcolonial perspectives. I don't even recall what it was about, maybe Achebe? Then we had another on south american magical realism where we read Garcia Marquez, but it was optional.

Don't go to for-profit universities if you can help it would be my best advice.

[Anonymous No.15458273]

reminder that universities will be under the control on forced-equality-ists and 28-sexual-orientaion-ists in the next two decades. don't be such a bigot op, drink your onions.

[Anonymous No.15458284]

>>15458161
I'm not even American or otherwise, but this is the case. It's a shame, but this is what victim mentality achieves.

[Anonymous No.15458287]

>>15458266
not a bad syllabus.

[Anonymous No.15458291]

Because Leftists are the patriarchy in Education. They form the classes, hire the teachers, select the textbooks.

[Anonymous No.15458296]

>>15458284
>>15458291
"the leftists" are part of a bigger plan and those who know know.

[Anonymous No.15458297]

>he needs to be told to read camus, orwell, huxley and fitzgerald
OH NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.15458314]

>>15458266
>>15458241
>>15458221
What would a /it/ approved Western Literature syllabus look like in the classic sense?

[Anonymous No.15458316]

>>15458296
We certainly do.

[Anonymous No.15458320]

>>15458266
based euroanon

[Anonymous No.15458331]

>>15458266
Way to many Anglos and Frogs.

[Anonymous No.15458334]

>>15458314
The greeks. Then you choose a period/specialisation to spend a semester on. You know, the way most universities do it

[Anonymous No.15458335]

>>15458241
The people you're talking about are not interested in the Western canon as traditionally conceived. In fact, they want to fundamentally alter the character of the Western canon to varying degrees. Some people want to destroy it and put something new in its place; others would simply like to expand the Western canon until white males occupy a minority position and non-whites occupy a majority position.
But you should also remember that the notion of the Western canon is itself political. Who is included and excluded; what nations are taken to be Western; what forms of thought and expression are regarded as worthy of being included in the shared heritage of the West - all of these are questions with answers that depend on the politics of the questioned.
The difference between you and them is that they have already read the Western canon. They know it forwards and backwards and are capable of mobilizing it in their work. They deliberately choose not to. They are engaging in an act of conscious, informed destruction, whereas you are in the position of advocating for unconscious, uninformed preservation. If ever you get into a conflict with them, you will be worsted, because they have a trump card: "I've read it, and you haven't, so shut up!"
Basically, you need to be like them. Read both the original canon and the nu-canon. Know them both like the back of your hand, so that when you are one day ready to fight, you will be able to say "I have tried both methods and found yours wanting."
Read what you are given and take it seriously, for it will one day be useful to you.

[Anonymous No.15458352]

>>15458335
Anon how did you become so based and where can I learn this power

[Anonymous No.15458365]

>>15458186
Not all poetry is amounts to sentimentalizing some sort of "humanity." Baldwin's "preacherly" style has always turned me off. It's like overdosing on salted margarine. I've come to find black aesthetics more alienating than anything else at this point.

[Anonymous No.15458371]

>>15458352
tony robbins seminar

[Anonymous No.15458374]

>>15458335
Hi Ben Shapiro. I'm a big fan.

[Anonymous No.15458402]

>>15458266
solid syllabus. thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.15458409]

>>15458331
As opposed to what? Goethe, Hölderlin and Novalis would have been nice, and maybe just a single work by Tolstoy and Gogol each, but apart from that, nah, it's great.

[Anonymous No.15458412]

I can already envision the next 20 years. Universities demand you to read the entire we wuz kangz cannon. Before entering the classroom, you must apologize to becky for being male. You are given s,o.y.lent to stimulate estrogen production, so as to not oppress anyone in the room.
A foul smells enters your nostrils. It's your translexic wolf classmate, she hasn't shaven his armpits because she thinks that's conforming to patriarchal tyranny. You say nothing and get bullied on twitter by e-prostitutes.

[Anonymous No.15458417]

>>15458266
why start with bible tho?
don't you need to understand the greeks before moving on to the bible?

[Anonymous No.15458423]

>>15458352
I'm in a different field, but I have repeatedly clashed with my advisors and the people around me on issues like this over the past few years. It took a while for me to get it through my thick skull, but talking to people with different views and reading the thinkers they respect has allowed me to see that there is a sophisticated body of work going back almost a century that underlies their views.
The most sophisticated of our opponents understand what it is we believe to a greater or lesser degree, and are capable of marshaling good arguments against us. We do not understand what they believe. They are an unknown and incomprehensible quantity to us. We must bridge the gap in understanding and produce arguments that go beyond kneejerk conservatism.

[Anonymous No.15458428]

>>15458251
Not about whether "the kids" care or not, curriculums have never been determined by what the students would like to read. But there is an open hostility to reading black writers among people who haven't even given them a chance. People just approach it with this attitude like it's all "ooga booga whitey bad, this stuff doesn't belong with the greats of western lit, that's what the specialized classes are for." But there's never an assumption that if one wants to read Camus, they should take a class on existentialism instead of a survey course. It's been nearly 200 years of black literature at this point, it's an important part of western lit and should be studied with the rest of it to achieve a good overview

[Anonymous No.15458431]

>>15458040
>>15458119
>I genuinely don't even care about race, but black people only seem to talk about racism and woe is me bullshit for the most part.
Literal retards. Black Americans post-emancipation and especially pre-civil rights movement had essentially no traditional culture, and were actively prevented from identifying with the cultures and artistic traditions of the whites living around them. Black artists could not make white art, and there was essentially nothing else for them to draw on besides the minuscule, stunted artistic tradition which existed under slavery (slave work songs are literally the only example of this I know of), and condition of their current existence, as defeated, without history, without culture, desperately impoverished, actively oppressed, etc. I don't know how black art, and black literature especially, could have come into existence without racism and black alienation being central, foundational themes. I think these themes are probably not as strictly necessary today, because anti-black racism is not nearly a pervasive or prone to be internalized as it was 100 years ago, but most classic black literature was written back when this was still the case. I literally cannot imagine having such a weak theory of mind or historical imagination that reading the works that helped to define a nascent ethnic and quasi-national identity would seem uninteresting.

[Anonymous No.15458435]

>>15458335
Absolutely idiotic take, the overwhelming majority of college educated and college educating nitwits have barely glanced at the canon. What's more it's a terrible idea both to subjugate yourself to their preferred 'literature' as it is both psychological pollutant and abject waste of time. You can read 100 books about niggers, they will all contain the same apologetic. But the most fundamental objection to your 'suggestion' which has all the makings of bad faith and is at best a subversive troll...DO NOT ARGUE WITH ACADEMICS. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN ARGUMENTATION. More likely dissent will simply get you ostracized and if severe enough even endanger your prospects. There are other means for combating the blight of leftistm, but do not choose their stage or game.

[Anonymous No.15458460]

>>15458409
Chaucer, Beowulf and the 3 Romantics there are irrelevant for non-anglos. Replace Proust with Joyce. Read the Greeks before the bible. Replace Celan with Borges.

[Anonymous No.15458463]

>>15458431
Everyone's already heard it. Nobody wants to give their bitching anymore mind than necessary. People have black victimization narratives stuffed down their throats since childhood, so forgive these infantile rubes for not adoring hearing about it for the millionth time.

[Anonymous No.15458479]

>>15458428
>It's been nearly 200 years of black literature at this point, it's an important part of western lit and should be studied with the rest of it to achieve a good overview
No, and no.

[Anonymous No.15458494]

>>15458435
>DO NOT ARGUE WITH ACADEMICS. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN ARGUMENTATION. More likely dissent will simply get you ostracized and if severe enough even endanger your prospects. There are other means for combating the blight of leftistm, but do not choose their stage or game.
But that's exactly what I attempted to communicate in my post. There is no point in engaging in verbal argument, especially not at this stage. One day, after having slogged through what they want you to do, you will be capable of responding with a carefully written and sophisticated text arguing for your position.
But only if you understand their position.

[Anonymous No.15458502]

>>15458171
>>15458184
No, white men don't seem to rape black women, at least according to the fbi statistics. So it is unlikely for there to be any convictions.

Cops are dangerous to be around though, so the other one has happened.

>>15458221
The Bronte sisters are good too.

>>15458335
If they aren't reading the western canon in class, when exactly are they reading it? They are not, no more than /lit/ ever reads anything.

[Anonymous No.15458504]

>>15458431
Perhaps it's because the aesthetic they cultivated was one of chaep consumption, hypersexualization, and oversocialization. It's ugly to the point it tarnishes everything it touches. It has no value outised of how easily it is instrumentalized to serve political purposes; the only reason someone would find it "interesting" is because of how cleanly it fits with their agenda.

[Anonymous No.15458513]

>>15458463
There's a difference between the multicultural white-guilt dreck modern liberalism attempts to shove down peoples' throats and authors like Ralph Ellison's treatment of the then very real problem of racism he and other blacks faced.

[Anonymous No.15458519]

>>15458502
>If they aren't reading the western canon in class, when exactly are they reading it? They are not, no more than /lit/ ever reads anything.
The kind of person who becomes a literature professor at a prestigious university, or at any university, really, has read all of that in their spare time and during their graduate work. You don't get to that level without some degree of competence.

[Anonymous No.15458522]

>>15458431
Not my fault they have no culture, history, or tradition, retard. I don't want to hear their whining and self-pity.
What a cope, imagine giving them a free pass to bitch and whine.

[Anonymous No.15458526]

But you are reading Western Lit OP - American culture is Black culture. Blacks are more American than anyone else. if you're a person of European descent in America you really shouldn't take pride in identifying with such a dump.

[Anonymous No.15458545]

>>15458025
>why why why.
merit is incomprehensible to the modern bugman
they believe they can institutionalize merit by conflating their ideology with works of esteem by simple proximity

[Anonymous No.15458561]

>>15458526
Black culture was essentially contra-western culture which destroyed its opponents. Whites in Europe are also trapped in this void of perpetual alienation.

[Anonymous No.15458574]

>>15458561
Oh well, I guess it just couldn't measure up to "Bitches on my dick nigga" etc.

[Anonymous No.15458600]

>>15458428
It seems as if they are only pushing these books in regards to the authors' race. Why focus on race instead of on the quality of the works? If the book is worthy it should be studied regardless of it. Machado de Assis is black and also the most studied author in Brazil - not because he's black, but because his books are good (and, guess what, none of them talk about racism).

[Anonymous No.15458608]

>>15458561
Black americans are not just 'black', their culture is deeply influenced by white america. Blues, Jazz, etc. were all formed from white music.

People also never mention the Jews in this discussion, they played a huge part in creating American pop music. It's always been a multiracial thing.

[Anonymous No.15458611]

I'm reading Sula right now. It's amazing. Some of the best prose I've ever read, and I've read and enjoyed
>Camus, Orwell, Huxley, Fitzgerald

[Anonymous No.15458619]

>>15458600
based brs

[Anonymous No.15458621]

>>15458025
Im not sure who that is.

[Anonymous No.15458629]

>>15458600
Because education in the US isn't actually about learning anything, but rather about molding Informed Participants in Our Democracy (tm) - as in people who hold the right beliefs. This literature is assigned to teach young people about the evils of racism, literary merit is secondary.

[Anonymous No.15458636]

>>15458504
How do I know the whole of your engagement with black art consists of occasionally overhearing top 40 hip hop tracks
>>15458522
>Not my fault they have no culture, history, or tradition
You seem to be implying I think you have an obligation to engage with black art for this reason, or that black artists are 'owed' something, when in fact I meant to imply no such thing. The fact that black art, which is now so culturally dominant, emerged from such seemingly adverse conditions is merely interesting to any person minimally curious about the culture they live in, and its relative cultural dominance makes it interesting also to any sufficiently pragmatic person—as it's necessary to understand extant culture before passing value judgements that anyone is supposed to take seriously. The only intended implication of my post was that a complete lack of interest is a symptom of a dull, unimaginative mind.

[Anonymous No.15458639]

>>15458073
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[Anonymous No.15458668]

>>15458636
That's basically what they think. I'd rather learn about interesting cultures that have achieved something, not about how yts are bad. Trying hard to find something interesting in a subculture of perpetual butthurt won't help you. You, like them, need to grow up. There's nothing interesting in their culture, you dotard. The only reason you think so is because you fetishize it.

[Anonymous No.15458669]

>black writer
>wrote five novels
>all on the topic of racism instead of something else like drugs, poverty or marriage troubles

racism is always going to be problem. I just do not need to read novels aboot how "racism is bad" more than once, when it been beaten into our heads already by society.

[Anonymous No.15458675]

>>15458636
I'm not attacking black american pop culture, but you understand that the narrative that it comes from oppression and organically emerged to dominance is absolutely artificial? The mass media is not an organic system through which anything of merit can flow. Hiphop was an actual folk cultural phenomenon for maybe 5 years in the 80s, and then record executives figured out what a colossal opportunity they had in packaging it the right way. To look at this in isolation outside the forces in academia and the press which have been for decades promoting narratives of black oppression and ascendance is to be extremely naive.

[Anonymous No.15458679]

>>15458241
it's not a cope, it's an actionable solution. Anything but something like the anon described would not work.
The "intellectual sleeper cell" idea is the only which has a chance at actually working, which is why it scares larping radicals who would rather die than contend with the nuances and constraints of reality.

[Anonymous No.15458690]

>>15458519
Anecdotal I know, but my experience with professors is they know little to none outside of their narrow area of expertise. I've repeatedly had to turn away from topics because it wasn't their particular subfield and I didn't want to be rude at the buffet.

[Anonymous No.15458698]

>>15458423
Yes dude. You're speaking the truth. Thank you for this voice of clarity.
Please make a chart or something, include the text from your posts in this thread.

[Anonymous No.15458703]

>>15458025
99.99% of black authors are incapable of looking past their race

[Anonymous No.15458709]

>>15458668
>you fetishize it
95% of the literature I consume is of white/european origin, so I don't think that's it. And great job not engaging with any of my arguments.

[Anonymous No.15458721]

>>15458479
Great rebuttal

>>15458600
But Toni Morrison has written many good books. People who complain about her books being read in schools aren't even willing to read them

[Anonymous No.15458737]

>>15458423
Who exactly do you think you're speaking for when you say 'we'? There is nothing unknown or incomprehensible about the group youre describing, who I suspect you actually belong to. Their views are broadcast 24/7 and dominate the academy. And they increasingly do not actually read the canon at all, they barely even pretend to.

[Anonymous No.15458741]

>>15458709
You don't have any arguments, you're just white knighting.

[Anonymous No.15458745]

>>15458040
This.
I really enjoy lots of black art, especially music.
Jazz, Blues, Rock and Roll, Hip Hop; all great artforms that explore numerous themes in interesting ways, and provide a varied set of takes on the American/modern experience, both in a broad sense and in the narrow scope of Black America.
Black literature seems incapable of doing this, and wishes only to dwell on the singular narrow scope of Black experience.
By no means do I think there's anything *wrong* with doing so, but it frustrates me that we don't see the same variance and artfulness that we see with black musical expression.

[Anonymous No.15458750]

>>15458690
What sort of institution are you at? If you're at a first-rate institution, there should be plenty of people who have read widely in different areas. Maybe my advisor is an exception, though.
>>15458698
I have no experience in making such things, and I don't think I'd be good at it, either. If you think my posts are valuable, go ahead and screenshot them.

[Anonymous No.15458769]

>>15458750
just open ms paint and copy paste some books you think anons in this thread would benefit from, and then take snips of your posts and put them in the bottom or somewhere.
too easy

[Anonymous No.15458797]

>>15458460
>Replace Celan with Borges.
Hello R*ddit

[Anonymous No.15458802]

>>15458636
>How do I know the whole of your engagement with black art consists of occasionally overhearing top 40 hip hop tracks
Because my attitude has developed from my engagements with more celebrated works (Jazz, the Harlem Renaissance, the black arts movement of the 60s and 70s, and whatever flavor of the month attraction is getting critical acclaim today), and I found them at best unpleasant and at worst an orgiastic celebration of consumerist nihilism.
>>15458574
Pretty much. Knock it as much as you want, but hip hop is the ideal cultural product in a consumerist society. There'
s a reason it has superseded all other music, just as jazz superseded the other music of its time.

[Anonymous No.15458814]

>>15458737
What do you mean when you say "their views?" They are not an indivisible whole.
What I mean when I say that they are unknown and incomprehensible is that, we do not understand their worldview, or the principles from which the political and social positions with which we are faced are derived. We can see the result, but we do not understand the process by which they arrived at that result. Without understanding the process of reasoning and inference behind their positions, we stand no hope of providing a sophisticated philosophical rebuttal to them.

[Anonymous No.15458823]

>>15458797
>Based metaphysical, encyclopedic short stories vs MUH SHOAH but this time in verse
Okay, R*eddito

[Anonymous No.15458828]

>>15458814
Who do you think 'we' is? Do you think 'our' views are an indivisible whole? The process by which their views evolved is written all over the 20th century, there is nothing mysterious about it.

[Anonymous No.15458830]

>>15458802
>I found them at best unpleasant and at worst an orgiastic celebration of consumerist nihilism
Sure ya did buddy

[Anonymous No.15458831]

>>15458721
>But Toni Morrison has written many good books. People who complain about her books being read in schools aren't even willing to read them
i went to school.
i was forced to read one of them for a required English class.
yes people have a right to complain.

[Anonymous No.15458832]

>>15458073
ok, this is epic

[Anonymous No.15458840]

>>15458073
you forgot:
Loquisha

[Anonymous No.15458872]

>>15458830
Coltrane and his merry band of followers represent the absolute worst of it. Shallow new age spirituality covered in pure wankery. It's literally the worst jazz had to offer. I listened to that record (along with a Love Supreme and Universal Consciousness) more times than I could ever justify.

[Anonymous No.15458900]

>>15458040
>>15458119
>I don't have a problem with black people as long as they only talk about the slim window of topics that I approve of or, better yet, be sensitive enough not to address the question of race whatsoever so I don't have to be reminded of my disgusting liberal guilt

[Anonymous No.15458907]

seriously tho.
blacks minorities whatever have entire degree programs dedicated to their shite books.
why do they feel the need to ram their trash down the throats undergrads?

[Anonymous No.15458911]

>>15458900
I don't have any liberal guilt, retard. Why should I? My Asian ass didn't enslave them.

[Anonymous No.15458922]

>>15458176
https://www.sjc.edu/academic-programs/undergraduate/great-books-reading-list

yea m8 check this out,
Great Books Curriculum,
only offered at about 5-10 colleges nationwide(USA)

[Anonymous No.15458923]

>>15458750
I've worked at (and attended) several. Two in the top 40, no higher though. Perhaps the top 20 or 10 schools are that much better, but they serve such a small population it would be an error to generalize their qualities to the professors most interact with. Oh, also American schools, I know nothing about other countries.

[Anonymous No.15458926]

>>15458907
And white lit is the default in most programs. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.15458937]

>>15458900
there no slim window, faggot.

[Anonymous No.15458964]

>>15458721
>Great rebuttal
There's nothing to refute, the hysterical insistence of forcing diversity has no reason. Why should people be forced to read worse literature? Because it facilitates your ideology? To that I simply say no.

[Anonymous No.15458988]

>>15458721
>But Toni Morrison has written many good books. People who complain about her books being read in schools aren't even willing to read them
I had to read her 'trilogy' for my core English classes. Almost everyone dreaded it and absolutely everyone just regurgitated what the professor wanted to hear. It was a total waste of time first and unenjoyable second. This wasn't an intro course either, it was a higher level class centered around analysis. It actually pains me to think what I could have read instead, that this propaganda has some real estate in my brain instead of the likes of Chaucer or Shakespeare pains me.

[Anonymous No.15458998]

>>15458823
cuck simp seethe dilate. cope bluepill cringe. soiboy bluepill, coomer doomer. not based not redpill.

[Anonymous No.15459004]

>>15458964
"Worse" compared to what, and by what standard? This hysterical insistence that what is studied in schools never change serves no purpose other than facilitating your ideology

[Anonymous No.15459009]

>>15458911
If you didn't, then why would you react so strongly to narratives that address racism? Why else would you deny what is perhaps the most distinctive part of black experience from black writing?

>>15458937
Of course there is. Both of those posts I replied to suggested there is nothing wrong with black writers– as long as they don't talk about racism. It's like saying you're happy to order anything from burger king as long as it isn't a burger. Why the fuck would you go to burger king in the first place?

[Anonymous No.15459039]

don't forget it's white liberals who control publishing and want black authors to conform to a particular type bc it assuages their weird racial guilt to read about black suffering. there are black authors like samuel delany and ishmael reed who are experimental/postmodern but it's harder for them to find the spotlight because they don't meet expectations.

[Anonymous No.15459040]

>>15459009
Because I don't like white knight weaklings like you and picking on my white people.

[Anonymous No.15459048]

>>15459039
>white liberals who control publishing
yeah 'white'

[Anonymous No.15459074]

>>15459048
i know what you're implying but woke orthodoxy actually maps much better onto catholicism and original sin, confession and submission, rigorously controlled group identity and language etc

[Anonymous No.15459080]

>>15458423
The vaporous dogma held by academic niggers is vaporous precisely due to it's nature. There is no understanding to be had. To engage their works is to piss away my limited time. I applaud the pursuit of undermining the stranglehold on curriculum, however. But I don't argue with enemies. I smash their heads in.

[Anonymous No.15459081]

>>15459009
Nobody is shitting on them for talking about racism. It would just be nice if every book they wrote wasn't just about racism. How many novels do you actually need to tell you black people were given raw deal, when it told to us non-stop in all media and by people in academia.

[Anonymous No.15459083]

>>15458923
Maybe you're right. Maybe things really are worse than I thought.

[Anonymous No.15459084]

>>15458073
Meh. Only this
>Crime Statistics and Punishment
>The Trial
is actually funny. 2/10. Nice try, King.

[Anonymous No.15459092]

>>15459074
Yep, exactly what the Jesuit niggers and kikes wanted. All according to keikaku.

[Anonymous No.15459094]

>>15459040
I'm not white-knighting anyone. i'm saying its a retarded form of entitlement to say "sure you can read black authors, but only if they don't talk about the elephant in the room that makes me look bad!". If you didn't have guilt, you would have no reason to respond defensively, like you're doing now. I'm one of "your" white" people and don't feel any guilt for racism or slavery, therefore I have no reason to feel strongly when blacks write books about it.

[Anonymous No.15459099]

>>15458118
>black literature is under the umbrella of western lit
Pathetic. They don't even have literature outside of the West, at least Asians have Eastern literature.

[Anonymous No.15459119]

>>15459004
>>"Worse" compared to what, and by what standard?
Nature, evolution, the free market, whatever you want to call it. The canon is the result of the absolute best of the best being filtered and preserved throughout human history, we're talking about works whose relevance quite literally extends hundreds of even thousands of years on a global scale that survive through a process of sublimation. "Black" literature is only relevant in the west particularly America because it is forced upon people by state indoctrination. It will have zero relevance in a thousand years, not little, but zero. Morrison's name probably won't even survive a hundred years. Shakespeare and Homer will live on as long as humanity lives on. You seriously think you can play the subjectivity card here? Don't make me laugh, the classics are some of the realest things that exist, it doesn't get more objective than hundreds of years of global peer review.

[Anonymous No.15459137]

>>15459080
If you were anywhere close to doing such a thing, you wouldn't be posting about it on the internet.

[Anonymous No.15459143]

>>15459081
>It would just be nice if every book they wrote wasn't just about racism.
It's almost impossible to write from a black perspective without at least addressing the problem.

I'm curious, what do you think of a book like The Invisible Man?

[Anonymous No.15459152]

>>15459119
hundreds or* even thousands

To add to this...

Of course all of this is tangential, that black literature is worse is NOT the question here, your argument is irrelevant and fallacious to begin with. The question isn't if it's worse, it's why racial diversity is desirable in literature? Obviously it's impossible to give a convincing answer that isn't cyclical here so I can understand your digression.

[Anonymous No.15459177]

>>15459143
I am just saying to not make the main topic of the book. It would be laughable to not have a scene of racism happen to black protagonist in books set in the early twentieth century.

[Anonymous No.15459190]

>>15458025
>I wanted to read Camus, Orwell, Huxley, Fitzgerald
Do it, then. Nobody prevents you from doing so.
And why are you even surprised that a class about literature could require you to read something that doesn't coincidence with your personal interests?

>>15458064
>I want to see a cop shoot a white unarmed teenager in the back
The thought that MAYBE JUST MAYBE cops shouldn't shoot any unarmed people in the back didn't cross her mind?

[Anonymous No.15459255]

>>15459177
But it's also laughable to assume we should all find it compelling.

[Anonymous No.15459284]

>>15459190
This is the danger with calling it "white privilege" when you mean 'black people are lacking civil rights'. It seems like you'd be ok if whites also lost their basic rights rather than everyone's rights not be infringed.

[Anonymous No.15459299]

>>15458064
Everybody who says this stuff should be forced to police a black neighborhood

[Anonymous No.15459326]

>>15458431
the strongest reason i have for being a racist is how badly negroes apparently need white people to stand up for them and apologize for their every failure, to act the right way, to produce anything other than menial labor and ditties about stealing from people, to "become" anything more after their emancipation than the slaves we imported them to be
they can do nothing on their own, and even the people who supposedly hate racism the most realize this

[Anonymous No.15459359]

stop crying faggot. these authors are highly worshiped. I have no idea why you think they're viewed as "problematic".
>>15458073
>haha rewording popular book titles to fit black stereotypes kek
>frog
this board is done for.

[Anonymous No.15459364]

>>15459359
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.15459367]

>>15459359
>t. newfag
this pasta is stale

[Anonymous No.15459384]

>>15459364
>he disagrees with the circlejerk so he must be from reddit
you're only proving my point.

[Anonymous No.15459393]

>>15459384
agreed fellow goodsir let us leave this wretched den of dumb racists once and for all

[Anonymous No.15459399]

>>15459384
>>15459393
cya later niggers

[Anonymous No.15459402]

>>15459384
and you're only proving mine. go the fuck back you r*dditnigger.

[Anonymous No.15459428]

>>15459137
Keep believing that sweety ;^)

[Anonymous No.15459436]

>>15459399
>doesn't get irony
brainlet

[Anonymous No.15459691]

>>15459119
this, a lot of Black Literature in 200 years or so will be looked on in a manner similar to cringy Victorian literature.

[Anonymous No.15459711]

>>15458040
What, you don’t like Colson Whitehead’s wonderful books that are all the exact same thing and at this point just seem like they’re written to exploit the burgeoning slavery/racial grievance Book market ?

[Anonymous No.15459765]

>>15459083
Perhaps I've had bad luck. Perhaps my memory is biased to better remember disappointment. (Quite a likely cognitive bias really. ) But I do think it is at least part of the nature of specialization require by modern investigation. The renaissance polymath would probably not make it through a doctoral program. Not for lack of ability, but the necessary focus would likely be too tedious.

I'd certainly rather read about some random thing like the bear hunting in the pic then the thousandth white paper on any topic.

[Anonymous No.15459856]

>>15458073
>One Hundred Years of Fried Chicken
>The Grape Soda of Wrath

[Anonymous No.15459954]

>>15459765
>The renaissance polymath would probably not make it through a doctoral program. Not for lack of ability, but the necessary focus would likely be too tedious.
I fear the tedium.

[Anonymous No.15459989]

>>15458431
holy based

[Anonymous No.15460083]

universities are run by the human resources departments

this is how a university's structure works
>university is not only a for-profit business taking money from applicants and so forth, but a mutual fund/investment management firm sitting on a massive pile of money from things like donations, which it invests like any normal mutual fund (seriously, google this)
>its main goal is to make money
>uses some of its money to hire experts to manage investments
>hires other experts to manage the public face (the actual university)
>THESE people hire the actual academics you associate with the university
>but they also hire thousands of managers, office workers, service employees, janitors, landscapers, and so on, and sign contracts with businesses to service and beautify their campus, increasing its appeal as a front business
>all it cares about is "increasing appeal" with profitable customers and future donors, aka "students" and their parents
>prefers rich people for obvious reasons
>will admit smart poor or middle class people, because these will still pay (with loans and outside funding if they're lucky, so it's not the university's problem either way), and many of them will go into the world and spread the business front's good name by bragging about attending
>will only admits whatever minimum threshold of local/poor/subsidized people is necessary according to laws etc.
>obviously has to maintain academic/intellectual aspect for advertising purposes, harvard has to continue to be "Harvard" in the minds of average joes after all, and enough smart kids actually want educations that they would notice if it's TOTALLY fake
>but only does this to the bare minimum threshold necessary to keep the money train rolling in
>a much bigger problem is keeping all these rich kids and their parents happy
>spoiled rich kids living on campus have high expectations for "fun," college as an "experience" and a "lifestyle," amply supplied with commodities they're used to from living in good neighborhoods in LA/new york/boston/wherever
>spoiled rich kids also think they're little geniuses and future Ministers of Being Nice on Twitter, so you can't give them bad grades or hurt their feelings
>as a result, professors are allowed a bare minimum of autonomy to do their thing, but the real governance of the university is its "administration" which basically = Human Resources
>job of Admin/Human Resources is to make sure all the spoiled, confused, entitled, and increasingly stupid teenagers are happy 24/7, so their siblings and eventually their children will keep pouring application fees, tuition fees, and donations into the mutual fund

there, now you know what a university is. fun fact, since the 70s, university admins have expanded by like 3x while # of academics has stayed the same

now you know why your classes all aimed at mentally ill children with lower than average IQs. that's the average customer of the business you're purchasing your certificate from.

[Anonymous No.15460102]

>>15460083
>there, now you know what a university is. fun fact, since the 70s, university admins have expanded by like 3x while # of academics has stayed the same
Similar stories with healthcare administration and charities.

[Anonymous No.15460104]

>>15458064
I am Brazilian and even I know that already happens in Am*rica.

The worst video of police brutality I've seen had a white guy as victim. It was that video shot in a kind of hotel where they forced the guy to come to them crawling on all fours and when he put his hand on his shorts because they were falling, they killed him.

[Anonymous No.15460162]

>>15458025
Toni Morrison is at least on the level of those writers you mentioned - certainly Orwell, Huxley, and Fitzgerald. Bloom even includes her in his Western canon, and we all know *his* views on minority writers.
So I'm not really sure, then, OP, what your complaint is. You took a class on Western Lit and you are reading a Western author. Her merit is acknowledged by even the most violent critics of minority activism within literature. The only possible explanation I can think of is that you don't want to read her because she's black and a woman, ironically participating in that racial and sexual discrimination you say she shouldn't talk about in her books.

[Anonymous No.15460172]

>>15460162
Tourist tranny. Enjoy your afternoon here before leaving again. Remember to keep claiming you use 4chan, despite actually visiting 4chan once or twice a year, on your dumb twitter where you talk to yourself constantly and get 1 or 2 upvotes max on your stupid tweets.

[Anonymous No.15460191]

>>15460162
holy based

[Anonymous No.15460202]

>>15460162
Great post...
Thank you for this. Finally someone's striking back against the stormfags here

[Anonymous No.15460205]

>>15460172
Twitter doesn't use upvotes

[Anonymous No.15460211]

>>15460162
based /pol/tard BTFOer

[Anonymous No.15460220]

>>15460162
holy based, fuck stormfags

[Anonymous No.15460236]

>>15460083
>>spoiled rich kids also think they're little geniuses and future Ministers of Being Nice on Twitter, so you can't give them bad grades or hurt their feelings
Constantly being referred to as the "future leaders of America" while attending the ivy league really pumps up a child's hubris for when they grow up. Don't worry about listening to those lesser degreed flyovers, you'll know what's best for their communities from your office on the coast.

>>15460205
>knowing how Twitter works.

[Anonymous No.15460277]

>>15460162
this is a great post
>>15460172
this is not

[Anonymous No.15460279]

>>15460162
Based

[Anonymous No.15460353]

>>15460162
Orwell and Huxley maybe, though they had interesting ideas more so than being good writers. She is not even close to Fitzgerald.

[Anonymous No.15460385]

>>15460162
Good post anon

[Anonymous No.15460391]

>>15460172
Go back

[Anonymous No.15460393]

Toni Morrison is good though. I don't know what the problem is.

>Camus, Orwell, Huxley
>Problematic
What school are you going to
And also what school is making you read high school level lit in the first place. The first book I read at school was fuckin Gilgamesh and Homer

[Anonymous No.15460396]

>>15460211
>>15460220
>>15460385
>>15460279
surely you will turn the tide comrades

[Anonymous No.15460401]

>>15460353
Fitzgerald is easily the weakest writer out of that group.

[Anonymous No.15460414]

>>15460393
based
>The first book I read at school was fuckin Gilgamesh and Homer
did you go to school in NY?

[Anonymous No.15460425]

>>15460414
No I went to Reed

[Anonymous No.15460463]

>>15460401
You are easily a retard

[Anonymous No.15460481]

>>15458745
>This.
>I really enjoy lots of black art, especially music.
>Jazz, Blues, Rock and Roll, Hip Hop; all great artforms that explore numerous themes in interesting ways, and provide a varied set of takes on the American/modern experience, both in a broad sense and in the narrow scope of Black America.
>Black literature seems incapable of doing this, and wishes only to dwell on the singular narrow scope of Black experience.
>By no means do I think there's anything *wrong* with doing so, but it frustrates me that we don't see the same variance and artfulness that we see with black musical expression.

[Anonymous No.15460488]

>>15460162
>Toni Morrison is at least on the level of those writers you mentioned - certainly Orwell, Huxley, and Fitzgerald. Bloom even includes her in his Western canon, and we all know *his* views on minority writers.
>So I'm not really sure, then, OP, what your complaint is. You took a class on Western Lit and you are reading a Western author. Her merit is acknowledged by even the most violent critics of minority activism within literature. The only possible explanation I can think of is that you don't want to read her because she's black and a woman, ironically participating in that racial and sexual discrimination you say she shouldn't talk about in her books.

[Anonymous No.15460493]

>>15460396
We will if you quit trying to turn it back

[Anonymous No.15460495]

>>15460202
>Great post...
>Thank you for this. Finally someone's striking back against the stormfags here

[Anonymous No.15460507]

>>15458639
seethe harder

[Anonymous No.15460532]

>>15460083
based

[Anonymous No.15460546]

>>15460481
>>15460488
>>15460495
I just finished reading your posts and . . . based. just based

[Anonymous No.15460553]

>in the 60s african-americans were starting to view themselves positively and look towards the future with optimism, so much so that they were at risk of forgetting their tragic past and move into a happy new post-racial era, so i decided to remind them of their historical otherness so they would always have a chip on their shoulder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Zgu2hrs2k

[Anonymous No.15460556]

>>15458025
just drop out and read whatever u want bro

[Anonymous No.15460557]

>>15460546
>I just finished reading your posts and . . . based. just based

[Anonymous No.15460563]

>>15460553

[Anonymous No.15460568]

people are seriously shitting on toni morrison on a literature board huh, really makes u think huh

[Anonymous No.15460575]

There are some classical black writers in my country, but we don't regard their literature as black literature, this kind of thing only exists in America. Afro Americans are so retard I totally understand the op a frustration.

[Anonymous No.15460587]

>>15460162
>All the samefags replying to this

[Anonymous No.15460589]

>>15460553
>mfw

Was Toni "WE SHAW IS DIFFERENT FROM WHITE FOLKS, WE COLORED FOLK ARE ETERNAL VICTIMS MMMMMHM" Morrison a psyop to keep black people from developing normal optimism and self-direction?

[Anonymous No.15460599]

>>15460568
you must be new. a lot of authors get shit on here

[Anonymous No.15460636]

>>15460557
No no no anon you have to deconstruct my post to one higher level of abstraction. If you just imitate my deconstruction you fail to demonstrate the superiority of your sangfroid and of your comprehension of the situation. You did make me kek though

[Anonymous No.15460642]

>>15460636
>No no no anon you have to deconstruct my post to one higher level of abstraction. If you just imitate my deconstruction you fail to demonstrate the superiority of your sangfroid and of your comprehension of the situation. You did make me kek though

[Anonymous No.15460649]

>>15460636
no demonstration needed, soiboi. The post speaks for itself.

[Anonymous No.15460653]

>>15460642
Well played anon

[Anonymous No.15460659]

>>15460599
no i just don't see how anyone could possibly read morrison's writing and dislike it. one of very few writers i could say that about

[Anonymous No.15460661]

[Anonymous No.15460668]

>>15459009
>>15458900

Blacks talking about racism is the slim window you retard.

[Anonymous No.15460670]

>>15460659
we fairly frequently have people saying that Shakespeare is trash on this board. Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.15460702]

>Black literature is about being black!!1! Everything is from the lens of being BLACK!!11!!
>German, French, English, American literature isn't

rhymes with: schmite schmagility

[Anonymous No.15460764]

>>15460083
>>university is not only a for-profit business taking money from applicants and so forth, but a mutual fund/investment management firm sitting on a massive pile of money from things like donations, which it invests like any normal mutual fund (seriously, google this)
>>its main goal is to make money
You also have to realize just how huge these are in some cases. Harvard’s endowment is bigger than the than the GDP of some countries.

[Anonymous No.15460765]

>>15460702
typical whitoid cope for when someone insults his favorite pets
he can't even let them defend themselves, he must do it for them

[Anonymous No.15460781]

>>15460661

[Anonymous No.15460789]

>>15460765
Not everyone on the internet is white, anon

[Anonymous No.15460797]

>>15460702
>>Black literature is about being black!!1! Everything is from the lens of being BLACK!!11!!
>>German, French, English, American literature isn't
>rhymes with: schmite schmagility

[Anonymous No.15460806]

>>15460789
nobody but a white leftoid would ever bother taking up an unpaid position as nigger internet defense force

[Anonymous No.15460820]

>>15460806
>>15460797
Are you fine literature scholars going to prove to me that white people do not have a racial identity that comes through in their literature or not? I'm waiting :3

[Anonymous No.15460835]

>>15460820
>Are you fine literature scholars going to prove to me that white people do not have a racial identity that comes through in their literature or not? I'm waiting :3

[Anonymous No.15460839]

>>15458911
You should have. There's imperial benefit in castrating them and using them for administrative purposes. The best eunuchs are niggers. They have so much sexual energy, being demons and all, so when you castrate them, all that energy goes to the brain. It's the best option until we get better AI. The might of many empires came from eunuchs, and to the credits of blacks, they make the best ones.

[Anonymous No.15460854]

>>15459143
>It's almost impossible to write from a black perspective without at least addressing the problem.
Stupidest thing I read all day. Are you Jewish by any chance.

[Anonymous No.15460858]

>>15458911
>I don't have any riberar guilt, retard. Why should I? My Asian ass didn't ensrave them.

[Anonymous No.15460876]

>>15460854
>It's almost impossible to write from a black perspective without at least addressing the problem.
For black americans, especially historically, this was pretty much the case.

[Anonymous No.15460903]

>>15458922
hey, that's my uni. SF is where it's at

[Anonymous No.15460911]

>>15458417
The Old Testament was written concurrent with the Greeks, the legends in it might be even older

[Anonymous No.15460921]

>>15460876
You're self-victimizing trash on the level of Jews. Plenty of other people have suffered historically, but they get over it. What's the point of dwelling on self-victimization?

[Anonymous No.15460948]

>>15460702
The problem is not that their literature is about being black. That is obviously expected. It is that these black authors do not write about anything other than the black vs white oppression narrative. They don't touch on the universal forms of art -- Virtue, Truth, Beauty, Love, etc., etc. -- but rather fill up their pages with whining about the white man keeping their people down. That is literally their main focus; all other themes are ancillary. Now why is this?
It's because Black culture is simply not rich enough to facilitate an exploration of what we call the highest universal themes of art and human experience. Because it is a culture characterised by ignorance, hedonism, animalistic jauntiness, impulsiveness, and, in short, nothing good or beautiful, their writers struggle to enter the highest realms of art while still staying true to black culture, like Austen was able to do with English culture, and instead have to resort to making excuses for this lack of richness.

[Anonymous No.15460988]

>>15460876
But I don't see what necessarily makes it good or worthwhile. I just don't see it anyone would like it unless you really believe that art should only serve "emancipatory" purposes.
>>15460659
The contrived "soulfulness" of her prose is just obnoxious. It's not as bad as the poetry of Audre Lorde or Amiri Baraka, but it's still obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.15461008]

>>15460921
I'm neither black nor jewish so I don't see how I might be described as self-victimizing, but in any case, there is a difference between feeling sorry for yourself and addressing what it means to be black, which historically in America meant nothing other than suffering, alienation, and internalized otherness. This has become less and less the case the more time has passed since emancipation, but the original emancipated slaves and their descendants had no cultural identity whatsoever except that of the slave.

[Anonymous No.15461011]

>>15458243
We’re talking about made-up stories here. None of them are “relevant”, there’s nothing “to be said” about any of it

People who waste their education on poring over shit that’s just meant for killing time are so childish

[Anonymous No.15461018]

>>15460948
I think Jews are taking advantage of this issue among the Black Americans though. They are pretty much letting the feelings of self-victimization grow and use them as a tool against whites and even other minorities.

[Anonymous No.15461025]

>>15461008
Human experience is not defined by intersubjectivity or relationship to other people. Blacks are simply incapable of deriving values elsewhere except in the injustices they suffered in the past. They cannot move on in exploring universal forms of art... let alone create new ones.

[Anonymous No.15461040]

>>15460988
>But I don't see what necessarily makes it good or worthwhile
Nothing NECESSARILY makes it good or worthwhile, but it so happens that there have been at least a handful of very gifted black writers who made work that was good and worthwhile, and which also confronted racism and black identity, because, as I said, they had to. Look up Ralph Ellison or the plays of August Wilson. They likely would have written valuable work anyway had they been white, but the fact is they were black, and so had to deal with that reality in their society. Certainly the presence of themes related to race and identity is no reason to overlook a work.

[Anonymous No.15461041]

>>15460553
Based. She kept their racial consciousness from dissolving.

[Anonymous No.15461044]

>>15461025
>Blacks are simply incapable of deriving values elsewhere except in the injustices they suffered in the past.
Why

[Anonymous No.15461056]

>>15460589
And backing her is probably a Jew.

[Anonymous No.15461060]

>>15460765
>he can't even let them defend themselves
There aren't any Black people on 4chan so how would they defend theirselves from criticisms they aren't aware of?

[Anonymous No.15461063]

>>15461044
Jews. So long as a single Jew lives, there can be no peace for white and black alike.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » mxvabIoSIE No.15461078]

>>15460820
white identity only exists in relation to blackness.

[Anonymous No.15461129]

>>15459009
>It's like saying you're happy to order anything from burger king as long as it isn't a burger. Why the fuck would you go to burger king in the first place?
So black writers literally only exist to complain about oppression? Pretty fucking racist of you

[Anonymous No.15461267]

>>15458266
ngl, I came a little reading this

[Anonymous No.15461295]

>>15458636
This is such a faggy take, and transparent argument tactic

I could take literally any topic in the humanities, at almost any level of specificity, and unpack and expand on it enough to connect it to present life and say you’re stupid for not being interested

People are just sick of being bombarded with “we wuz oppressed” shit all the time. Stop being a little poindexter faggot about it

[Anonymous No.15461356]

>>15461267
why? yet to read them?

[Anonymous No.15461358]

>>15458900
>>15458431
>>15458065
based

come here and suck cock, whitey

[Anonymous No.15461379]

>>15458241
Yeah, better bitch on /lit/ like something is gonna happen.

[Anonymous No.15461416]

The only solution is to develop a world canon, including massive research efforts to track down and transcribe the oral traditions of various African and Native American cultures, and to teach our children multiple languages starting in kindergarten, everything from dead languages like Latin to languages such as Swahili and Kikuyu.

[Anonymous No.15461429]

>>15461295
>I could take literally any topic in the humanities, at almost any level of specificity, and unpack and expand on it enough to connect it to present life and say you’re stupid for not being interested
This is true only if you have no desire to understand modern American political culture. Otherwise this is an absolute shit take.

[Anonymous No.15461432]

>>15461416
Yes, but then people will argue over what is to be taught first and in what order. I think the only real solution is to pull the bandaid off quick and destroy any semblances if different cultures so that no group will feel persecuted against since they will not be. At least withing particular nations.

[Anonymous No.15461544]

>>15459119
Why are so sure about it?
I mean, the main reason why western works are so famous around the world is also linked to the fact that the biggest empires from the 18th to the 20th century were born in the Western world.
It's not a matter of "free market" then, more than a 1000 great books may have been written in Asia, for instance, but not even one of them would have been brought to Academia due to its eurocentric nature.
It's like saying that all foreign food is bad because it has not become famous in your city.

[Anonymous No.15461732]

>Take British literature class
>Prof decides to look over Kipling, Lewis, Pound, Eliot, Hardy, Waugh, Green and others in favor of some Caribbean women writing nigger wrap lyrics
Such is life

[Anonymous No.15461773]

>>15460806
>nobody but a white leftoid would ever bother taking up an unpaid position as nigger internet defense force
Don't be so sure anon.

[Anonymous No.15461998]

>>15458025
>goes to college to learn new things
>gets mad when told to study new things
Babby's first realization of his external locus of control

[Anonymous No.15462004]

>>15461773
Keep that pedo off our board

[Anonymous No.15462022]

>>15461773
Lol, you made that quote better.

[Anonymous No.15462065]

>>15459190
>The thought that MAYBE JUST MAYBE cops shouldn't shoot any unarmed people in the back didn't cross her mind?
That's the point. Police shooting unarmed black men is a two-fold problem. Racism, and abuse of power. The abuse of power is much easier to understand once it happens to people of your own race. And to be honest, some white people have been killed by police who weren't actually threats, and it did start a conversation that included both races.

[Anonymous No.15462202]

>>15458040
Check out the Bongo Bongo Book Club on soundcloud.

[Anonymous No.15462416]

>>15458073
the suspect is armed and BASED

[Anonymous No.15462432]

>>15460858
>>15460835
>>15460797
>>15460781
>>15460642
>>15460495
kys

[Anonymous No.15462453]

>>15458073
commemorating a fallen based post

[Anonymous No.15462462]

>>15462432
shouldn't you be on r*ddit, nigger?

[Anonymous No.15462486]

>>15462416
>>15462453
What did I miss?

[Anonymous No.15462497]

>>15460553
ok now this is based

[Anonymous No.15462505]

Why would you want to read Orwell and Fitzgerald lol

[Anonymous No.15462513]

>>15458073
The only witty post on /lit/ this week.

[Anonymous No.15462523]

>>15458073
CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A BASEDPOSTER.
CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A BASEDPOSTER.
CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A BASEDPOSTER.

[Anonymous No.15462821]

>>15458721
>>15458988

Pro Morrison anon is correct. She's a capable writer and a solid representative choice for post-Faulkner American fiction. The early stuff is solid and concise, the later stuff is excellent at voice and rhythm.

The thread is even weirder, considering that there are actually bad writers out there (Alice Walker for instance) who OP could legit complain about.

[Anonymous No.15462831]

this shits funny since no one is more bongos than orwell he's the only socialist conservatives fawn over and its because white conservatives can only be proud of white people

[Anonymous No.15463066]

>>15462821
You have awful taste. Fuck off

[Anonymous No.15463078]

>>15458025
>Camus, Orwell, Huxley, Fitzgerald
you should have read those in middle school or on your own in your early teens

[Anonymous No.15463080]

>>15458669
>drugs, poverty or marriage troubles
fascinating. you should write a novel

[Anonymous No.15463081]

You went to college to read authors that most people read in their freshman year of high school?

[Anonymous No.15463266]

>>15463080
Those are the main themes of African-American life.

[Anonymous No.15463368]

>>15461011
you're on the wrong board, >>>/b/ is thataway

[Anonymous No.15463416]

>>15460104
YOURE FUCKED
I grew up in São Paulo as an expat kid and I remember watching 3 cops just beat the absolute fuck out of someone one day. I don't know what triggered it and whether or not a beating was deserved, but I honestly doubt this guy survived. The poor bastards face didnt even look human it was so smashed up and bloody, and once he was on the ground knocked out they took turns stomping on his head and kicking him. Redpilled me on cops and what authority does to a person at a young age. Giving police too much firepower and ability to evade consequences leads to criminal factions in police (Rampart, The murder of Dennis and Regina Tuttle), massacres (Waco, Ruby Ridge) and attracts self-righteous narcissists.
>>15458064
That's a stupid take I wont defend but her work has grown on me over time

[Anonymous No.15463422]

>>15458669
You literally just described Sula you dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.15463429]

>>15458040
Sounds like something you all need to read in that case

[Anonymous No.15463930]

>>15462065
>some
If you look at it per interaction with the police, whites are killed more often than blacks. Cops are also slightly slower to fire their guns at black people in laboratory conditions. The cops aren't killing people because they're racist. It's just cops are dangerous.

[Anonymous No.15464083]

>>15461429
How does endlessly rereading “we wuz slaves” help develop your understanding of “modern American political culture”?

[Anonymous No.15464093]

>/lit/ massively triggered my Morrison
What am I still doing here. Jesus Christ.

>>15464083
Damn it's as if slavery and its legacy influences American culture or politics or something.

[Anonymous No.15464122]

>>15458040
>which would be fine if it weren't for most black literature

no, the fact that black lit is the problem on itself, not because of muh racism

[Anonymous No.15464135]

>>15458266
>Then we had another on south american magical realism where we read Garcia Marquez, but it was optional.

he´s white spaniard tho

[Anonymous No.15464140]

>>15458335
>that the notion of the Western canon is itself political
only for SJWs who want to create racism out of nothing

[Anonymous No.15464161]

>>15464093
Every group in history was a slave to another. Quit crying nigger.

[Anonymous No.15464211]

>>15464161
epic comment bro, you're clearly based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.15464224]

>>15464093
No shit, we know, we all covered it extensively in school. One more fictional story about the topic doesn’t contribute any additional knowledge

[Anonymous No.15464228]

>>15464224
>One more fictional story about the topic doesn’t contribute any additional knowledge
>reads books only to "add to his knowledge"

[Anonymous No.15464264]

>>15458025
>I wanted to read Camus, Orwell, Huxley, Fitzgerald
Then fucking read them you stupid nigger.
>i am required to read
no you're not
>why why why.
your professors either hate you or are the meatpuppets of people that hate you. whatchu gon' do bout it white boi?
>hint: stop paying them to propagandize you (presumably over fucking zoom lol)

[Anonymous No.15464285]

>>15464228
We’re not talking about why I read faggot, this is about the reasons YOU gave
Your entire argument is that people should be interested in black literature because it informs us about historical and modern culture, politics etc
This requires that said literature actually does inform instead of retreading the same ground over and over

[Anonymous No.15464299]

>>15464211
>sarcasm
>no argument
You're either a woman or a faggot.

[Anonymous No.15464335]

>>15458273
That Yerba Mate brand is located in my town and the grocery store I own was one of the first places carrying their line and now they're being used in memes on a phoenician goat herding forum
The internet is a wild place kids

[Anonymous No.15464340]

>>15464285
>Your entire argument is that people should be interested in black literature because it informs us about historical and modern culture, politics etc
My argument said nothing of the sort. It's retarded to think that slavery had no effect on society. I didn't say that's the reason why someone should read Morrison. They should read Morrison because she's a good writer.

>>15464299
you're really redpilling me with this comment. I'm feeling more based by the moment with every word.

[Anonymous No.15464460]

>>15464135
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.15464605]

>>15458431
I'm sure the literary culture of blacks post-slavery is fascinating to anthropologists who thrive on such origin stories, but it contributes nothing to the western tradition and its millennia-old dialogues.

[Anonymous No.15465335]

>>15458025
This is affirmative action in literature, and you should celebrate it. At least all this racist cunt is doing is wasting paper, and not getting into politics like Stacy Abrams or Mad Maxine. Keep stupidity in college. It causes less damage and helps radicalize whites.

[Anonymous No.15465417]

>>15462432

[Anonymous No.15465432]

>>15458025
>Needs a (((University))) to define his reading material
>Can only discuss literature in the context of a shitty (((University))) course

[Anonymous No.15465462]

>>15460162
>Toni Morrison is at least on the level of those writers you mentioned - certainly Orwell, Huxley, and Fitzgerald.
Bullshit. If you want to suck some BBC then cite Baldwin or Ishmael Reed, or even Alexandre Dumas. Not this boring bitch.

>>Bloom even includes her in his Western canon, and we all know *his* views on minority writers.
So Bloom is a racist fascist cunt, but we should take his opinion on this one nigress anyway because--well, just because. Strong argument, anon.

>So I'm not really sure, then, OP, what your complaint is. You took a class on Western Lit and you are reading a Western author.
George Lincoln Rockwell's a Western author, as is the Marquis de Sade and R. L. Stine. Maybe we think we should be studying Homer, Plato, Dante, Milton, Shakespeare. No, no, no--wrong gender, wrong color.

>> Her merit is acknowledged by even the most violent critics of minority activism within literature.
You cite one clown, Bloom, and suddenly all the critics in modern literature are kissing Morrison's fat ass. This is bullshit as well. If she were an old white male you couldn't sell her books as toilet paper.

>> The only possible explanation I can think of is that you don't want to read her because she's black and a woman, ironically participating in that racial and sexual discrimination you say she shouldn't talk about in her books.
Typical ad hominem comeback. Don't like a shitty white author? Gee, maybe they suck. Don't like a shitty black one? RACIST!

kys.

[Anonymous No.15465471]

>>15461078
>white identity only exists in relation to blackness.

[Anonymous No.15465473]

>>15464340
I think we need flags on this board and some way to just filter Americans. This place is sick with their most pretentious /pol/tards.

[Anonymous No.15465477]

>>15458025
Morrison's early stuff is okay. Writers like Jay Wright, Ellison, Toomer, Wheatley, and that guy who wrote the Dark Tower poems are worthwhile. If they're making you read Angelou or Alice Walker, then yeah, that's too bad.

[Anonymous No.15465482]

>>15465473
>I think we need flags on this board and some way to just filter Americans. This place is sick with their most pretentious /pol/tards.

[Anonymous No.15465498]

>>15458064
how about the one where the black cop tells an old white man to slap him, and when the guy playfully slaps him the black cop smacks him and tackles him to the ground and arrests him?

[Anonymous No.15465502]

>>15465462
You are quite possibly the most retarded person on the literature board. Like another poster said, it would be nice if we could filter out Americans on lit. I think the board quality would increase dramatically just from doing that.

[Anonymous No.15465514]

>>15465502
Great rebuttal

[Anonymous No.15465543]

>>15465514
>Literal chimpanzee starts ooh-ahing and throwing its feces around
>Walk away and choose not to engage
>BRO REFUTE ME BRO! WHERE YOU GOING BRO! REFUTE ME BRO! REFUTE ME THEN! YOU CANT BRO! COME ON REFUTE ME!

[Anonymous No.15465547]

>>15458266
>Dostoyevsky instead of Tolstoy
fail

[Anonymous No.15465557]

>>15465502
>You are quite possibly the most retarded person on the literature board. Like another poster said, it would be nice if we could filter out Americans on lit. I think the board quality would increase dramatically just from doing that.

[Anonymous No.15465569]

>>15458025
>wanted to read Camus, Orwell, Huxley, Fitzgerald but no - thats too problematic.
Then who’s stopping you? Im not even in school and it doesn’t stop me from enjoying the the fine art of the written word.

[Anonymous No.15465817]

>>15459711
his facial features are so caucasian it looks like they just photoshopped dreadlocks and a tan on an average middle aged white guy

[Anonymous No.15465835]

>>15459074
it's 100% a protestant thing, descended from predestination-infected doctrines

[Anonymous No.15465840]

>"I WANT I WANT I WANT"

why are chantards so entitled when they're basically fucking losers.?

fuck you

[Anonymous No.15465843]

>>15459094
see the subtle rhetorical trap you've set? you're not allowed to debate, only admit or deny presumed guilt

[Anonymous No.15465851]

Every second we spend replying to a thread like this is time we could be reading something good.

[Anonymous No.15465863]

>>15460102
no one wants to do any actual work, they just want to collect a fat paycheck sitting in an office and going to meetings

[Anonymous No.15465882]

>>15460589
don't you know that race baiting is used specifically to keep working class whites and blacks at each other's throats so capitalists can continue fleecing both with total impunity?

[Anonymous No.15465892]

>>15461078
this trope died with rachel dolezal

[Anonymous No.15465896]

>>15458025
>im not in afriican-american bongo dance studies
It's because of attitudes like your these race issues aren't over and done with. More than anyone else, fools like you need to read these works.

[Anonymous No.15465900]

>>15461416
impossible without first bulldozing everyone on earth into a single monolithic subjectivity, in which case a world canon becomes a collective act of mourning for lost particularity

[Anonymous No.15465903]

>>15465882
they want everyone to get along though so they can import more third worlders without increasing friction
racism is explicitly anti-capitalist, there is absolutely no room for it in capitalist thought

[Anonymous No.15465908]

>>15461544
when you argue this you're still uninentionally arguing for the supremacy of western works because you're inadvertently admitting that nonwestern national literatures are based primarily on a western model

[Anonymous No.15465922]

>>15465835
What does predestination have to do with race-based guilt?

[Anonymous No.15465928]

>>15462821
why do you need a dime store faulkner when you already have faulkner?

[Anonymous No.15465932]

>>15465903
America's problem isn't third worlders entering per se, but rather that they don't leave afterward.

[Anonymous No.15465937]

>>15463930
couldn't possibly have anything to do with the actions of the person being arrested, of course

[Anonymous No.15465971]

>>15465903
quite the opposite, they want a fractious world of warring tribes that require perpetual expert administration. notice how the british did this in every single colony they had, drew the borders to include two mutually antagonistic tribes, and put the weaker one in power. worked like a charm for centuries

[Anonymous No.15465977]

>>15458025
If I ever meet a new person and notice they have thousands of soijacks saved on their computer I am going to beat them to death to maybe save this board the trouble of them posting again.

[Anonymous No.15465990]

>>15464340
>continues to do nothing but be a snarky faggot
Yeah what are you doing here

[Anonymous No.15465996]

>>15465922
because the idea of ambient white guilt at all is exactly like the doctrine of total depravity. it groups white into racists (who must be punished) and a small elect (who get to be saved) and the way to discover which one you are is through an altar-call conversion experience where you bend the knee to the negro

[Anonymous No.15466003]

Thread's at bump limit

Who won, nogs or whites?

[Anonymous No.15466027]

>>15465937
Considering Asians are the most likely to get shot according to some data, I'm not sure what is the unusual behavior.

[Anonymous No.15466142]

>>15458025
Read more black literature bigot!

[Anonymous No.15466203]

>>15466142
Annoying, they should've used a better picture of me.

[Anonymous No.15466232]

>>15458526
Cardio-american is a negative identity, it only exists in opposition to whites. They hate them but can't let go of them.

[Anonymous No.15466249]

>>15458608
This. Watch an Empire of their own.

[Anonymous No.15466288]

>>15459039
>it's white liberals who control publishing
((()))

[Anonymous No.15466450]

>>15464460
he´s white as fuck, unlike you Amerimutt piece of crap