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[Anonymous No.15449852]

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[Anonymous No.15449867]

>>15449852
Is there any magical system where the magician obtains his power from Uranus? And the more it uses Uranus the more powerful he is?

[Anonymous No.15449880]

>>15449867
>>>/lgbt/

[Anonymous No.15449887]

>>15449867
Is this some kind of GRI thing?

[Anonymous No.15449892]

>>15449852
That doesn't look very sci-fi.

>>15449867
So the deeper he goes in Uranus, the more powerful he is?

[Anonymous No.15449904]

>>15449852
Seconding this

[Anonymous No.15449913]

>>15449904
Oops, I meant >>15449853

[Anonymous No.15449916]

>>15449892
Basically he has to accept the gift of Uranus and eat the sacred brown fruit that Uranus brings him. Only then will >>15449867 attain true power of the gods.

[Anonymous No.15449920]

any books pertaining to the ether the true way energy is dispersed in this universe?

[Anonymous No.15449923]

>>15449904
>>15449913
This general ha the same policy regarding weebs as it does regarding trannies - fuck off nigger.

[Anonymous No.15449934]

>>15449916
Has he tried not being so much of a faggot?

[Anonymous No.15449935]

>>15449852
Tell me about the aspiring writers.
Out of the entire internet, why do they come *here* for advice?

[Anonymous No.15449936]

>>15449923
Lovecraftian fiction is /sffg/-related. He's asking for that and not trying to discuss a VN.

[Anonymous No.15449953]

>>15449936
>human x eldritch abomination
>Lovecraftian fiction
Just give up weeb. There is no need to justify your infantile taste.

[Anonymous No.15449957]

>>15449923
>getting made over chink drawings

I just want some lovecraftian love stories.

[Anonymous No.15449967]

>>15449935
They don't.

[Anonymous No.15449969]

>>15449853
Ane Naru mono

[Anonymous No.15449970]

>>15449953
Is there some reason that you can't fuck an eldritch abomination?

[Anonymous No.15449987]

>>15449916
based

[Anonymous No.15449994]

>>15449969
This is fucking stupid. Saya no Uta is actually respectful of the source material and doesn't shit all over it.

[Anonymous No.15450000]

>>15449853
Why are octopusmen even considered "lovercraftian"? Why aren't they more common? I only know of DnD that uses them.

[Anonymous No.15450008]

>>15449957
Akshually the proper term is gook drawings, you slanty eyed lover.

>>15449970
Everyone else is going to make fun of you for being foreveralone.

[Anonymous No.15450012]

>>15450000
Probably because of the Deep Ones in stories like The Shadow Over Innsmouth.

[Anonymous No.15450051]

>>15449967
were you here in the last thread??

[Anonymous No.15450097]

>>15450051
Not really.

[Anonymous No.15450124]

>>15449935
Well, first they frequent a site known of 4chan, then they look at all of the homebrews in other boards and think that they can do the same here.

Except wip book discussions are banned on 4chins for some reason.

[Anonymous No.15450131]

>>15450012

Squishers in A Song of Ice and Fire too, everyone seems to completely forget about Squishers despite the fact they are really cool

[Anonymous No.15450135]

>>15450124
>Except wip book discussions are banned on 4chins for some reason.
The quality of those WIP's must have been abysmal.

[Anonymous No.15450142]

>>15450135
Eh, I don't know, I liked some of the homebrews on /a/, before mods nuked those threads on sight.

[Anonymous No.15450166]

>>15450142
Can you really blame them?

[Anonymous No.15450185]

>>15450166
Well, nuking any developing board subtopics is kind of a tradition since moot left, I guess.
I still remember r/a/dio conflicts.

[Anonymous No.15450450]

>>15450124
I am not aware of such rule.

[Anonymous No.15451217]

>>15449852
I'm from page 10, I'm sending this one back.

[Anonymous No.15451231]

*ahem*

FUCK HARD SCIFI

Who /planetaryromance/ here?

[Anonymous No.15451279]

>>15450450
Fanfiction was bannable. Don't know if it changed. You're supposed to discuss published works, not your diary.

[Anonymous No.15451295]

Fuck e william brown.

[Anonymous No.15451333]

>>15451217
The hero we don't deserve.

[Anonymous No.15451391]

What do your top favorite science fiction and or fantasy books have in common? Have you noticed any patterns?

[Anonymous No.15451404]

>>15451391
Great story, great plot

[Anonymous No.15451405]

>>15451231
>system: Online
>grab meat female
>proceed to activate voice controls
>question: U mad, meat skin boy?

[Anonymous No.15451417]

>>15451391
big fucking monsters or aliens

[Anonymous No.15451454]

Why did they remove this from the OP?
It's a great discovery tool to help people who want books similar to what they read.
https://www.literature-map.com/

[Anonymous No.15451467]

>>15451295
Why do you post this? I saw a "fuck e william brown" as far back as March 2019. What did he do to you to cause this dedicated?

[Anonymous No.15451490]

how fucking hard is it for will wight to just pump out cradle books no one gives a shit about his other series

[Anonymous No.15451493]

>>15451454
>https://www.literature-map.com/peter+watts
>some chink closest to the Canadian criminal
Yeah it's shit.

>>15451467
Must be the quality of his writing.
Fuck Sanderson

[Anonymous No.15451529]

>>15451490
You don't like killing chutulu for power?

[Anonymous No.15451973]

I like this “reincarnation of the strongest sword god” but why does the author repeat the same face slap trope every 5 chapters for 2700 chapters

[Anonymous No.15452047]

>>15447763
But in the second trilogy we get to hear about the Inverse Fire that shows you what damnation is. Are you saying that we never actually find out what you have to do to get damned?

[Anonymous No.15452362]

>read book 2 of Mortal Mage
>intense torture scene
I never asked for this.

>>15451490
Not difficult but if he rushes, we'll get more half-books like Uncrowned.

[Anonymous No.15452363]

>journey leads to desert-like area where natives are exceptionally good fighters
why

[Anonymous No.15452392]

>>15452363
>Journey to bad place
>People that have lived there for x-thousands of years are good at surviving in bad place

wowee boyo.

[Anonymous No.15452395]

>>15452363
not much te do in the desert

[Anonymous No.15452486]

>>15452047
Yeah you find out at the end of unholy consult what causes damnation.

[Anonymous No.15452518]

>>15452363
>live in place where almost nothing grows
>have to raid outsiders to sustain yourself
>have to defend yourself from other desert raiders to keep what you take
Anybody too weak or compassionate not to survive this way dies.

[Anonymous No.15452584]

>>15452362
post it

[Anonymous No.15452925]

>>15452486
I haven't read this series and it's a bit too dense for me, but could someone just spoiler it for me, what's the actual punchline to the whole damnation thing?

[Anonymous No.15453003]

>>15452925
if you didn't read the series, why do you want the answer that others had to read 7 books to find out?

[Anonymous No.15453043]

>>15453003
I've followed it vaguely for a year or two now but I'm burned out on series that take 20+ years to finish. I'm not going to submit myself to that, but I just want to know what the deal is.

[Anonymous No.15453174]

Where do I start when outlining a story? I got the setting, I got the theme, I got some major story events but I dont have the plot or the characters. Rather than just throwing out random ideas to see what sticks, is there a way to figure out the right things I need based on the things I already know? Knowing 3 variables, wouldn't that be enough information to figure out the missing 2 without relying entirely on trial and error?

[Anonymous No.15453240]

>>15453174
If you aren't writing a thing for someone like WotC for something like MtG or D&D;
throw it or start over out because by the sound of things you're making a worldbuilder's book.

Your major story events could be fleshed out, start there.
If you don't have enough content from that (which you should if you've done it well enough), then consider writing the heroes journey to see what you want to write about.

>B-but my world
Thinking and worldbuilding (I wish I could make that bold and 100px) is not writing.
Story always comes first.
Fuck what Brandon 'Magic systems are what makes fantasy books sell' Sanderson tells you.

[Anonymous No.15453269]

/sffg/, please bludgeon my head in with a mallet

I tried to read a scene out to my writing group that I thought was hilarious. what looks like a cute scene of kids huddling together for warmth suddenly turns dark when one turns into a zombie and tries to bite the main character's nipple off, but apparently that came out way, way way way way way WAY more sexual that I intended it to and now every single one of them thinks I'm a pedophile

[Anonymous No.15453273]

speaking of sanderson, i read the first seven books of wheel of time and then cheated and read the ending spoilers

[Anonymous No.15453312]

Does Dungeons & Dragons have any decent novelizations? Skimming through lore for character creation I find a lot of it really interesting, especially the study of magic, archaeology, and details on devils and demons and how all the evil creatures actually dislike each other.

[Anonymous No.15453328]

>>15453312
the drizzt cycle is the famous one. I think people like the dragonlance books as well, but at this point it's been so long since dnd had any dragonlance content in-game I'm not sure I'd even consider it dnd at this point

[Anonymous No.15453362]

>>15453273
You did yourself a favor. Sanderson is okay for the most part, but his Matt is just bad.

[Anonymous No.15453372]

>>15453269
>bite the main character's nipple
why the nipple

[Anonymous No.15453382]

Why do you like these genres? Escapism?

[Anonymous No.15453388]

>>15453043
kellhus plots with one aspect of the 1000 gods to destroy the consult, in the process turning the mortal world into a butcherhouse for the god to devour while gary stu transcends to the outside. honestly, it's not worth your time. it got sold to me as "a metaphysical/philosophical whodunit" and bakker proceeded to make a horrendous mess of the entire series (both prince of nothing and aspect-emperor). there is only so much black alien semen and gay cannibal rapes mixed in with muh logos and blatantly awful projecting of the author that i can take.

in all seriousness, there's some interesting ideas, characters, and places/lore that get introduced but bakker is incredibly incompetent at storytelling so the vast majority is complete garbage. unless you enjoy a crazy canadian screaming "cRaSh sPaCe oF mEaNiNg!!1!" and can parse what nonsensical philosophy he claims to have invented, you'd best stay away.

tl/dr: there's better GRI out there that isn't slathered in awful prose and the author's masturbatorial dreams.

[Anonymous No.15453396]

>>15453382
Why should a man be scorned if, finding himself in prison, he tries to get out and go home? Or if, when he cannot do so, he thinks and talks about other topics than jailers and prison-walls?
— J. R. R. Tolkien

[Anonymous No.15453404]

>>15453372
because I thought it was the funniest place to get bitten that would have made sense. Since the MC is a guy, I didn't think having his nipple bitten off would be sexual, but I was wrong, dead wrong

[Anonymous No.15453405]

>>15453388
So Damnation is just the future and main guy sold the entire world out so that he could be a god?

[Anonymous No.15453442]

>>15453312
Salvatore, Elaine Cunningham, and Jeff Grub have decent Forgotten Realms books
Dragonlance Chronicles and Dragonlance Legends is good even tho is a little generic
Dark Sun has the Tribe of One series

[Anonymous No.15453512]

>>15449852

guys, buy new stormlight board game with cool art!

great game for great books!

[Anonymous No.15453524]

[Anonymous No.15453532]

Anybody have a few to view subscribestar posts? Wanna see what this guy is posting behind his paywall.

[Anonymous No.15453590]

>>15453405
technically, he sold the world out to defeat the consult, but he didn't really care what happened to the rest of the world. he put on such an act about being above emotions and all about muh logos but then succumbs to his blind spots. because bakker is shit at explaining the actual "what", it's not clear at first what happened, but his fanboys' forum has pieced together the following:
1) salvation means sealing earwa off from the outside, because the gods are just appetites that devour souls but if the world is sealed off, no cycle of souls to their waiting gullets so death isn't a worse existence
2) kellhus thinks he can kellhus his way to a solution for the world. totally coincidentally, he has a yuuuuuge blind spot to his own human emotions (desire for power, "love" for his wife, obscene arrogance). no one could have seen this coming, it's a totally unique harmartia for this character (/sarcasm)
3) kellhus makes some kind of deal with a god named ajokli to get the power necessary to destroy the consult while thinking he has the upper hand the whole time (and likely remake reality in his image afterward), but in the process unleashes this god IN THE REAL WORLD so he can feast on the souls of the living. the effect is limited because of timely plot turns.

the no-god resumes (yes, the no-god is literally described as some sort of program by the consult) with one of his kids as the new insert. ultimately, the gods/ajokli seem to be foiled in their quest for human souls to consume, the consult and kellhus are destroyed, and everyone other than akka and mimara die while the no-god is on the loose with no heron spear in sight. so the world came to a shitty end that is about as equally shitty as what kellhus was trying to avoid.

there's more to it, and people who aren't so bitter/butthurt about the series would likely spin it in a far more positive light. but i am not one of them. if bakker had had a halfway decent editor who would have pushed back on much of the aspect-emperor series, it might not have been such a letdown. if you're really curious, i think there's decent plot summaries floating around, and the guy who runs the Wertzone blog wrote an 80 page document of the history of earwa that deals with the straight story if you're really desperate

tl/dr: don't read bakker

[Anonymous No.15453628]

>>15451231
is that Batman fighting a Kzin?

[Anonymous No.15453646]

What legality does ownership of fan fiction run under? I wanted to write a story based in a preexisting tabletop game world as practice because it interests me, and although I'll probably never be a great writer, I do have a paranoia of my work getting taken by the relevant company because I published it on FanFiction.net or something.

[Anonymous No.15453648]

>>15453590
What are some other fantasy books with weird abstract stories?

>tfw trying to think of a second twist beyond simulation/non-reality for my book

[Anonymous No.15453703]

>>15453648
i don't want to be that guy that just repeats what everyone says on this board, but gene wolfe's BotNS series is really very excellent and has a LOT of abstract ideas embedded within it.

i don't have a good idea for anything else, but would be interested in what anyone else has to say

[Anonymous No.15453989]

>>15453590
You have completely misstated kellhus’s plan, I suggest you reread the final confrontation.

Kellhus was never going to save anyone, his plan was to fuse himself to the satan god, and seal off the world from the other 1000 aspects. This would allow him to rule as the eternal god king of the planet, sidestepping damnation for himself, but burning the rest of the wolrd. He was never going to destroy the consult, his plan was to subsume them and use them to create a factory of souls, farming humans to maintain his existence.[/spoiler.]

[Anonymous No.15454145]

/sffg/, how can I make my characters's familiars more relevant without having to make full characters of them? Right now, aside from my MC's familiar, I'm kind of just in a situation where they reappear periodically to remind the reader they exist.

[Anonymous No.15454156]

>>15454145
If they're so unnecessary to the story that you're having this problem then just cut them. Kill your darlings anon.

[Anonymous No.15454157]

>>15454145
I have only one familiar that is treated like a pet.

So perhaps treat as different pets? Like one is treated as `comes and goes` as if a cat, another is `stay at your side` dog and the third is `sometimes helpful sometimes not` bird..

[Anonymous No.15454186]

your work is never going to be published

[Anonymous No.15454206]

>>15454186
It's posted online though. And getting published only makes sense when you are popular enough to break out of obscurity. Otherwise you are going to get rejected or published as a tiny niche series that brings almost nothing.

[Anonymous No.15454214]

>>15454156
they still have little roles in the story and the mechanic is extremely important to the plot and the thematics. Initially, I was going to give them combat roles but I cut those for these specific characters because people said my ideas were cringey.

[Anonymous No.15454219]

>>15454206
see>>15454186

[Anonymous No.15454225]

>>15454214
see>>15454219

[Anonymous No.15454236]

>>15454225
I saw anon, I just didn't care

[Anonymous No.15454237]

>>15454219
>>15454225
See >>15454206

[Anonymous No.15454249]

reminder sffg is for the discussion of published works this isn't your writefag class make your own thread and fuck off

[Anonymous No.15454261]

>>15454249
anon, this general has gotten so shitty since I've been gone that I'm honestly improving the quality at this point. Right now you're the one who needs to go back

[Anonymous No.15454266]

>>15453590
>>15453989
Both of these interpretations make Kellhus sound like a dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.15454278]

>>15454266
It would have worked too if only his son wasn’t a soulless abomination, unable to be perceived by gods. Kellhus only sought what all Dunyain seek, to become masters of their own causality. Dunyain only ever act out of their own self interest.

[Anonymous No.15454318]

>>15454261
Not them.
If any of these
>>15453174
>>15453646
>>15454145
>>15451391
>>15449935
>>15449867
are you; then no, you aren't.

[Anonymous No.15454359]

>>15454318
okay, got it, this is you, right?
>>15449923

[Anonymous No.15454381]

>>15454359
Nope.
Nice try though.

[Anonymous No.15454403]

>>15450131
Probably because they're just a piece of extinct local folklore. The real Lovecraftian shit in ASOIAF is the oily Black Stone.
>The Seastone Chair
>Yeen, an entire haunted city made of that shit ("a city so evil that even the jungle will not enter")
>worshipped by a heretical Yi Ti emperor who then founded the Cult of Starry Wisdom

[Anonymous No.15455068]

>>15453382
>why do you like imaginative worlds and cool new concepts?
Truly a question for the ages.

[Anonymous No.15455125]

guys i'm very tempted to read Gene Wolfe
my reading ability is average i've read Pynchon and Nabokov even Camus (not implying that those are hard big brain reads but their style is very descriptive and rosy) do i stand a chance ? and i want to read the shadow of the torturer
t.english is my second language

[Anonymous No.15455173]

>>15455125
Don't bother. His books are deliberately obscure and are written like puzzles so unless you read it very carefully you aren't going to even be able to understand the plot. I don't like his writing though, so I'll admit I'm biased.

[Anonymous No.15455176]

>>15455125
But yes if you can read non-genre writers like Pynchon then you should be fine on a technical level.

[Anonymous No.15455674]

>>15453532
Stop being poor and give them your money if you want to know.

[Anonymous No.15455709]

Weird sort of question;
As a dude into Conan 1982 and Conan Exiles (the vidya game), how much of a departure are the they from the books (and vice versa I guess)?
Like, the books will obviously have more concrete explanations and character dev, but am I going in wrong thinking that they will be more of a focus, for example, on the religions or fauna of the Hyborian setting rather than the 'story'?

[Anonymous No.15455761]

>>15455674
>he thinks people got and stayed rich by spending their money
Klapistan has trained you well anon, go into more debt, have your grandchildren pay off the shit you took out. I will have my books for free.

[Anonymous No.15455766]

>>15455709
They are barely alike. Book Conan is athletic but not buff, agile and quick wited, and his people are so freedom loving that he would probably kill himself if he ever became a slave.

[Anonymous No.15455774]

Any good fantasy stand alone?
There are just too many long-running series and I can't stand it or trilogies. I want a nice story that wraps up in one book.

[Anonymous No.15455783]

>>15455766
If anything, you might think that book Conan is closer to Prince of Persia than movies or games. But written much better.

[Anonymous No.15456690]

>>15454186
Self publish it then.

[Anonymous No.15456707]

>>15455709
>Conan Exiles (the vidya game),
I like it i too, or liked before they stating to mess with combat more.

[Anonymous No.15456830]

>>15451391
Asimov wrote most of them.

[Anonymous No.15456851]

>>15451231
G0d I wish I were that cat

[Anonymous No.15456876]

Novels like Berserk? Gimme reccomendations now!

[Anonymous No.15456909]

>>15456876
prince of thorns
Also Mark Lawrence is great author everything by him is a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.15456953]

>>15456876
Elric.

[Anonymous No.15456977]

>>15456876
Second Apocalypse

[Anonymous No.15457199]

>>15455709
>As a dude into Conan 1982 and Conan Exiles (the vidya game),
cringe
read all of the stories or, as you are an attention deficit pleb, listen to them as audiobooks (this is acceptable because Howard was deeply invested in aural tradition of Texan storytelling

[Anonymous No.15457257]

>>15456909
>Also Mark Lawrence is great author everything by him is a masterpiece
Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.15457403]

>>15457257
>all that crusty lips from sucking infected dick

[Anonymous No.15457423]

>>15456876
Just read BLAME!, it's Berserk with less plot and more gun

[Anonymous No.15457641]

>>15457423
not memeing but i want more plot and less boat

[Anonymous No.15457924]

>>15457403
She’s pure

[Anonymous No.15458510]

Discuss.

[Anonymous No.15458539]

>>15458510
is it out yet?
is spike doing the audiobook again?

[Anonymous No.15458593]

>>15458539
Out July I think

[Anonymous No.15459053]

>>15458510
>fedora
>staff
>leather jacket
He sure knows his audience.

[Anonymous No.15459115]

>>15459053
He doesn't wear that in the books.

[Anonymous No.15459124]

>>15459115
So what does he wear?
A trilby?

[Anonymous No.15459181]

>>15459124
read and find out if you want you fucking tipper.

[Anonymous No.15459198]

>>15459181
No thank you.

[Anonymous No.15459215]

>>15453404
You type like a faggot, are you sure you're not a pedo?

[Anonymous No.15459223]

>>15454145
>characters's familiars more relevant without having to make full characters of them?
Cut them out of the story or make them a character

[Anonymous No.15459233]

>>15456909
>Also Mark Lawrence is great author everything by him is a masterpiece
Epic bait

[Anonymous No.15459736]

I have to ask, the whole thing about a character using her pet turtle like a koopa shell being cringey, is the cringey part specifically having it act like a koopa shell, or if she just chucked it at someone's head would it still be cringey?

[Anonymous No.15459893]

So sffg really is dead?
The shit of the past couple days really drove the nail in the coffin?

[Anonymous No.15459932]

>>15459893
How do you mean?

[Anonymous No.15460051]

>>15459893
>A dude in the wrong thread that wants to write sffg-related material.
>A guy that is mad reddit downvoted his posts.
>Some random that's being unnecessarily negative.

That's just chon boyo.

[Anonymous No.15460096]

>>15460051
Then how you explain the constant page 8s?

[Anonymous No.15460116]

400 pages into Book of the New Sun. It picked up a bit at the start of book 2 but then it slowed down again. Hopefully there's gonna be a load of time travelling cyborg aliens and then it turns out Severian wrote his own fanfic.

[Anonymous No.15460307]

>>15460096
dunno about everyone else but I don't post for a thread or two when the cranks are sperging out also I've only been reading chinese stuff so there's not much to actually discuss here

[Anonymous No.15460483]

What are the dos and donts for creating good factions/“races”? At this point I know its common knowledge to steer clear from cliches like elves/dwarves dynamics or basing them on a foreign real culture, so what would actually make for something good? Base them around a philosophical or political ideology? A personality trait or emotion? An animal species? A superpower?

If you dont know the answer, think about the factions you like the most and tell me why you think you like them

[Anonymous No.15460631]

>>15460483
How about fuck off?

[Anonymous No.15460716]

I finished Horus Rising which took me only 2 days. I didn't have any expectations for it but I had fun. Since my knowledge of 40K lore is mostly by osmosis, it was refreshing to see the legions be staunchly atheist, abhor words like "daemon" and throw a fit when anyone suggested calling the emprah a God. It wasn't super subtle in its emotional manipulation but the author did succeed in his main goal - by the end of the book I did want to see the nigger Emperor dead and his faggot empire ruined, even though nobody explicitly suggested doing such a thing. My only gripe is that the flatness of most characters is expected and even kinda cute with Astartes autists, but the portrayal of primarchs left me underwhelmed. They're supposed to be these epic demigods posessing unthinkable strength and wisdom, yet all of them whom we see behave like obnoxious, boring elitist retards.
I'll probably finish the "trilogy" and stop there. Mostly because I think Chaos is a lame crutch that ruins the universe, much like Force ruined Star Wars.

[Anonymous No.15460779]

Does anyone have the image of Gene Wolfe hammering the Cross into a guy and whatnot?
It's just some image with his face on a guy and he hammers a thing, I can't recall clearly
Thanks

[Anonymous No.15461034]

>>15460483
>basing them on a foreign real culture
Worst thing ever, absolute cringe, cheap and low energy but can work if your reader is iq 30 sjw tranny and you use muslim and nigger "cultures".

>philosophical or political ideology
Also not great. Normally a person or being that has an ideology like that is either a philosopher or politician, both imply experience and long studies. That impossible for every character or every member or even a minority of a race to be philosopher or politiciant, just like there are very few humans who live by philosophical or political ideologies.


>If you dont know the answer, think about the factions you like the most and tell me why you think you like them

I would look at the environment that the intelligent creature has grown and evolved in. Someone who has lived in rocky mountains for thousands of years evolved (possibly with help of magic) into a dwarf, the conditions for survival required that they take advantage of their environment, they are short and stocky, they hide in caves underground instead of running, it also required fairly high intelligence instead of fast legs and bruteforce, they are good at working stone and metal because its abundant in the mountains, etc. You have the race now and their environment. Its same with other races, elves, orcs, etc even make up your own.
For all this to be usable in a actual story (not just dnd rulebook), some or all of this information and back story should end up in the main story as a plot device, to be revealed to the reader gradually. This way even cliches and even most generic of races can be used.
Just my 2c, kek

[Anonymous No.15461193]

>>15460483
animal species can work. If you base them on a trait, emotion or ideology they're going to be pretty flat. My suggestion is start with their natural habitat, use that to derive their biology, and use their biology to determine their psychology and culture.

Case in point: Tokien's Dwarves are infamous for fucking up every aspect of creating a new race. they have no natural adaptations to their life of digging, their entire culture can be summed up 90% of the time as "beards, mining and copious alcohol" An improved version would give them mole rat-like claws and teeth, bad vision, and a sensory organ for detecting vibrations (e.g. a beard made of flesh). The combination of poor sense and lack of dexterity would mean dwarven crafts are functional and easy to use rather than beautiful, and they would have little to no appreciation for gold or gems beyond what they can trade for it. They'd mostly trade it for food as resources underground are scarce.

take ideas like these and run wild with them

[Anonymous No.15461288]

>on book 3 of Mortal Mage
>MC starts out in the fucking Underrail
>last book in series
>last book in its universe even
>author decides to write two entirely new series' in the two years since its release
fuck people who do this

[Anonymous No.15461585]

>want to write fantasy
>don't want to write
struggle

[Anonymous No.15461836]

>>15461585
I know the feeling anon.

I think I'm going to take a break for a little while after that whole nipple biting incident. Truth be told I know I'm being lazy but it's a bit disheartening to reach the 100k word mark after two years of writing and still not have regained my passion and talent or developed a level of discipline I can rely on to write. Fuck me, at the rate I'm going it will be another year before I write the last page. How the fuck did I write my first book in 3 months?

[Anonymous No.15461887]

>>15460779
It was made because someone who read long sun said it felt like Wolfe was hammering in the Christianity.

[Anonymous No.15461889]

>>15461836
Why is it always three months for writing a book? I've been struggling with the first fucking page for like 3 days. I just can't pick a beginning I like.

[Anonymous No.15461924]

>>15461193
>An improved version would give them mole rat-like claws and teeth, bad vision, and a sensory organ for detecting vibrations (e.g. a beard made of flesh). The combination of poor sense and lack of dexterity would mean dwarven crafts are functional and easy to use rather than beautiful, and they would have little to no appreciation for gold or gems beyond what they can trade for it.
You should read the Diggums character in Artemis Fowl. The dwarf in that was a great take on the archetype.

[Anonymous No.15461943]

>>15458510
I'm really looking forward to it and Battle Grounds. Really the only good Urban Fantasy I've read even if the first two books are meh.

[Anonymous No.15461966]

>>15461889
to be fair anon, I'm cherrypicking examples to make my logic feel right. In reality, it took a year to write the first draft and another to edit, but the biggest continuous chunk of the work took place during three months in the middle when I was hypomanic.

also, you might be hearing three months a lot if you've been hearing it here in particular, because I've been bitching since before I started the first one applying the same emotional logic.

that said, emotional logic or no the reality still feels disheartening.

[Anonymous No.15462119]

>>>/v/509838775
/v/ absolutely loves GRRM

[Anonymous No.15462121]

Time travel kinos?

[Anonymous No.15462196]

>15462119
GTFO back there and stay there, subhuman fucking v*dditor

[Anonymous No.15462387]

What are some books about the human spirit (and absolute chads) persevering in the face of a world overflowing with evil?

[Anonymous No.15462417]

I am at page 245 in WoK, Some newer characters just killed a giant crayfish.

Is this the 'le epic' Brandon Sanderson really at his best?
Because it frankly felt like a pre-highschool kid recapping something from Dragon Ball Z.

Is it even worth pushing on through to 300?

[Anonymous No.15462427]

>>15462417
>Is this the 'le epic' Brandon Sanderson really at his best?
Yes pretty much. You're also past the best parts of the series as well so it's all down hill from there.
Sanderson is not a good author.

[Anonymous No.15462598]

ok. I need a break from the Vorkosigan saga. I really like it. But I just need a break on it before I burn out. Pic related is the last one I read, if you want to talk about it.

Please give me a recommendation. I only ask 2 things:
1. You have *personally* read the book, and enjoyed it.
2. The characters are good.
If you gave me a recommendation before, then refresh me on it. I don't commit them to memory.

Here's my reading history so far:
Finished:
Dune**, Licanius Trilogy*, The First Law, The Broken Earth*, Memory Sorrow and Thorn*, The Wheel of Time**, Nightflyers*, Book of the Ancestor*, A Memory Called Empire*, The Curse of Chalion 1-3**, Penric's Demon*, Penric and the Shaman*, Penric's Mission*

Ongoing:
Cradle(Will Wight)**, A Song of Ice and Fire**, The Elder Empire series, Vorkosigan Saga**

Skipping:
The Prince of Nothing, The Book of the New Sun, The Black Company, Malazan, The Song of the Shattered Sands, Borne

*liked
**liked a lot

[Anonymous No.15462648]

>>15458510
>Peace Talks
>Next book is called Battle Grounds
I'm pretty sure I know how its going to go

[Anonymous No.15462651]

>>15462598
Have you ever read Zelazny, Simak, or Burroughs? Or Larry Niven?

[Anonymous No.15462728]

>>15462651
I have not.

[Anonymous No.15462742]

>>15462728
Well, then you probably should.

[Anonymous No.15462753]

>>15462742
Anything noteable or specific? I'm a young ignorant pup. My entire reading history fits inside of a 4chan post. So preferably something beginner friendly.

[Anonymous No.15462781]

>>15462753
You'd probably enjoy The City by Simak if you like the Vorkosigan books

[Anonymous No.15462788]

>>15462753
Well, the most prominent books are:
Zelazny: Chronicles of Amber series
Simak: Way Station, or Goblin Reservation
Burroughs: Princess of Mars series
Larry Niven: RingWorld, or ManKzin Wars. Both are series.

[Anonymous No.15462858]

>>15462598
Try Neal Asher's Agent Cormac series.

[Anonymous No.15462970]

June book club poll, trying it through goodreads.

https://www.goodreads.com/poll/show/201953-june-book-club-nominations

[Anonymous No.15463275]

>>15460483
>steer clear from cliches like elves/dwarves dynamics
There are worse things to do.

>Base them around a philosophical or political ideology?
Horrible, nothing works like that and you will inevitably end up with extremely stupid characters nobody can relate to.
And since you most likely also have humans in your story you have multiple groups of unthinking idiots with no ability to diverge from some ideology and humanity, which is perfectly able to form different groups.

>A personality trait or emotion?
Even worse, for the reasons outlined above, just more extreme.

>An animal species?
Just no.

>A superpower?
I mean, this is basically just the first point.


As a pinch test. Try describing humanity to an alien race, it simply doesn't work like that. For every possible trait you could name a very good counter example, which applies to a sizable population, exists.
But don't take that as meaning that any alien faction has to be the same as humanity, but breaking down civilizations to traits simply does not work.

>If you dont know the answer, think about the factions you like the most and tell me why you think you like them
I like characters, not factions. Your view on humanity isn't informed through a listing of traits, it is informed through your personal interactions and your knowledge about the history and current circumstance of humanity.
You have to do the same for any alien race if you don't want to degenerate into abysmal cliches.
I personally think the best description of alien life is found in Peter Watson's Blindsight, which defies exactly all the things you listed and delivers something truly unique and inhuman.

[Anonymous No.15463297]

>>15460716
>it was refreshing to see the legions be staunchly atheist, abhor words like "daemon" and throw a fit when anyone suggested calling the emprah a God
Yes, but that is all a very obvious (but well meaning) lie by the Emperor.
You should read "The First Heretic", there Lorgar debates this with the Emperor and after Lorgar calls out his obvious lies about not being a God (basically laying out what properties a God needs to have and demonstrating that the Emperor has them), the Emperor goes "nah. I am out, see ya".

>by the end of the book I did want to see the nigger Emperor dead and his faggot empire ruined
The emperor did L I T E R A L L Y nothing wrong, except being too merciful towards Lorgar.

>Mostly because I think Chaos is a lame crutch that ruins the universe
How so?

[Anonymous No.15463302]

>>15462598
>Ongoing:
>Cradle(Will Wight)**, A Song of Ice and Fire**, The Elder Empire series, Vorkosigan Saga**
>Skipping:
>The Prince of Nothing, The Book of the New Sun, The Black Company, Malazan, The Song of the Shattered Sands, Borne
You will burn in hell for that test.

[Anonymous No.15463306]

>>15463302
>test
taste

[Anonymous No.15463346]

>>15463297
>How so?
As I said, the same issue as force from Star Wars, or corruption from Warcraftverse. It's a magical narrative device to turn good guys into bad guys for drama instead of coming up with actually ideological motivations for that to happen. As I was finishing Horus Rising I could already see the discontent with the emperor's policies growing inside Horus, and I wish it would be just that, his personal conclusions, but I can already tell that in the end it's gonna be some rape demon from other dimension whispering in his ear to go kill daddy, and that just deflates the tension.
I understand that immaterium is fundamental to the lore of 40K, I just wish they made do without it, or refined it into something more subtle. One example of that is Void Which Binds from Hyperion Cantos, idea possibly liften from 40K altogether, but made much more interesting and vague cornerstone of the lore, without affecting the story on a grand scale. Here's for how void gods are described there:
https://hyperioncantos.fandom.com/wiki/Lions_and_Tigers_and_Bears

[Anonymous No.15463414]

>>15463346
>instead of coming up with actually ideological motivations for that to happen.
It think the Warhammer Universe comes up with pretty good ideological motivations

>but I can already tell that in the end it's gonna be some rape demon from other dimension whispering in his ear to go kill daddy, and that just deflates the tension.
But, it really isn't. I can tell you what happens, but to make it very basic Horus does what he does out of a person choice, while being manipulated by both sides.
In some sense, "chaos" is the representation of the purest ideology, the lore basically describes "chaos" as the moral excess in human emotions.
The fall to chaos is *always* the result of personal failure in that context, as anybody who is morally pure would be totally unaffected by it.
Chaos, in that universe, is (explicitly) the manifestation of, what I would call, human flaws, namely pride, jealousy, lust or anger.

Obviously chaos exists for the drama, but that is basically true of any story.
This doesn't mean it doesn't represent something with a very concrete belief system, you could point to in the real world.
And I genuinely believe that many people would legitimately identify with chaos and it's belief system.

That said, while I do like the Warhammer Universe I am not pretending that it has some world turning revelations to offer, but choas has a pretty clearly defined ideology and the central conflict is meaningful.

[Anonymous No.15463513]

>>15462970
bad poll everyone has at least attempted to read these

[Anonymous No.15463559]

>>15460483
basing them on a foreign real culture
This isn't really that bad. Bakker loosely based all his human factions on real world peoples from the 11th century and I don't see anyone complaining about it

[Anonymous No.15463574]

>>15463559
>loosely
LOL

When reading "the darkness that comes before" I slowly realized that I was actually reading a very imaginative retelling of the history of the Byzantine empire.

[Anonymous No.15463585]

>>15462598
Try library at mount char

[Anonymous No.15463601]

>>15463574
>When reading "the darkness that comes before" I slowly realized that I was actually reading a very imaginative retelling of the history of the Byzantine empire.
They had people who used to punch holes in the ground so they can fuck it?

[Anonymous No.15463611]

>>15463601
>They had people who used to punch holes in the ground so they can fuck it?
No, but they had a slowly crumbling empire which was loosing control in the east and tried to get a crusade there to fuck up the heathens, but ended up getting fucked themselves.

The entire plot is basically just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade if I recall correctly.

[Anonymous No.15463619]

>>15463574
Reminder that the "Byzantine" Empire is just the Roman Empire and that the use of a different term is a western propaganda tool designed to legitimize the papacy.

[Anonymous No.15463632]

>>15463619
Yikes, is "eastern roman empire" any better? Wouldn't want to legitimize the pope...

[Anonymous No.15463653]

>>15463632
It's not even just the pope, you had an entire country in the west called the "Holy Roman Empire" that had no legitimate descent from the Roman Empire. There's some kind of vested interest in the west where we have to be the "legitimate heir" to Rome or something. It's bizarre.
>is "eastern roman empire" any better?
I don't think you'll get much traction with that if you're including the word Roman.
>Wouldn't want to legitimize the pope...
If you want to do so, do it through honest means. The Donation of Constantine is another example of this whole thing.

[Anonymous No.15463667]

>despised by reddit because he said he wanted to punch Pratchett in the face
>converted to be a catholic after a divine experience
>hates trannies
>actually a great writer
>almost certainly schizophrenic
/ourguy/ for sure.

[Anonymous No.15463669]

>>15461836
I read that King writes at least 6 pages a day. I think having that kind of target is a good thing. Someday it would come easy but other days it might be 1 hour before deadline/bedtime and there are still 5 and half pages left to write. So what do. People work best under pressure and one just has to do the best he can to finish those 6 pages. I think this is why I like kings work. His writing varies alot. He writes everyday no matter his mental state(sad, happy, miserable, depressed, high on coke etc)and that reflects in his work. It's spontaneous and not static like when someone takes 10 years to write a short book where every sentence took days of pondering to come up with.

[Anonymous No.15463698]

>>15463653
Was it HRE, or Europe united under Pope, that attacked Constantinople and weakened it enough to fall to Ottoman?
Good thing that Second Rome already had a religion successor, Moscow.

[Anonymous No.15463732]

>>15463667
>actually a great writer

[Anonymous No.15463777]

>>15463732
Don't you see he is tipping.

[Anonymous No.15463786]

>>15463513
>>15462970
I assume that the purpose is to maximize participation precisely because they are some of the most posted about in the thread so that there will be a mix between new readers and previous readers discussing. There has been a dismal amount of participation in the previous reads so this may be a desperate last attempt.

[Anonymous No.15463794]

>>15463653
Yikes, if it legitimizes the HRE I will continue to call it Byzantine Empire, even if it legitimizes the pope.

[Anonymous No.15463832]

>>15463794
>Holy Roman Empire
>Not holy
>Not Roman
>Not an empire
It's a unique name at least for how ill-fitting it was.

[Anonymous No.15463840]

>>15454266
Kellhus IS a dumb nigger. He's the ultimate autist. Ultra smart, able to master everything, but he's basically a robot.

[Anonymous No.15463854]

I went back to bakker after reading a bunch of chinkshit and realised kelhus is basically just a badly written xianxia protagonist

[Anonymous No.15463863]

>>15463854
>kelhus is basically just a badly written xianxia protagonist
Why the redundancy?

[Anonymous No.15463974]

>>15463832
>United states
Still racially and politically divided
>Great Britain
Anything but Great
>France
No Franks to be found

Give me a break. Everybody LARPs, but somehow only the HRE and North Korea get shit for it.

[Anonymous No.15464022]

>>15463974
"United States" refers to the states being united on a federal level.

[Anonymous No.15464036]

>>15464022
"Holy" refers to anything blessed by the pope.
"Roman" refers to anything legitimized by Rome (and by Rome, I mean the pope) and intended to safeguard Roman influence.
"Empire" refers to any large state encompassing multiple ethnic groups.

I too can play these games, but good on you not addressing my two other, crushing, examples.

[Anonymous No.15464042]

>>15464036
No, that's quite literally what "United States" means. I don't have to stretch or bend anything to get that.

[Anonymous No.15464056]

>>15464042
>No, that's quite literally what "United States" means.
No, that is quite literally what "Holy Roman Empire" means. I don't have to stretch or bend anything to get that.

It is LITERALLY undeniable that it wasn't an empire, and the other definitions are *clearly* what the people who came up with the name meant. I L I T T E R A L L Y have to stretch nothing.

[Anonymous No.15464064]

>>15463667
Look like fat Harry Dresden from >>15458510.

[Anonymous No.15464091]

>>15464036
Great Britain:
>The Greco-Egyptian scientist Ptolemy referred to the larger island as great Britain (μεγάλη Βρεττανία megale Brettania) and to Ireland as little Britain (μικρὰ Βρεττανία mikra Brettania) in his work Almagest (147–148 AD).
>Geoffrey of Monmouth in his pseudohistorical Historia Regum Britanniae (c. 1136) refers to the island as Britannia major ("Greater Britain"), to distinguish it from Britannia minor ("Lesser Britain"), the continental region which approximates to modern Brittany, which had been settled in the fifth and sixth centuries by migrants from Britain.
You're correct about France, though.
>>15464056
You are apparently unaware of this, but the post here >>15463832 is an old joke.
>In a famous assessment of the name, the political philosopher Voltaire remarked sardonically: "This body which was called and which still calls itself the Holy Roman Empire was in no way holy, nor Roman, nor an empire."

[Anonymous No.15464097]

>>15463585
I'm trying this one. I feel like I'm going to regret it. I've had a bad time with male authors writing female protagonists. So that's one red flag there. And the back of the book reads real cutesy. So it's probably going to annoy me with that.

Still, it sounds very different than the Vorkosigan saga. And I need something different right now to cleanse the palate.

[Anonymous No.15464098]

>>15464091
>You are apparently unaware of this, but the post here >>15463832 is an old joke.
You are apparently unaware of this, but the post here >>15463974 is a joke in reply to that

[Anonymous No.15464106]

>>15464098
It doesn't come off as a joke but anon being assmad because of the last sentence.
>Give me a break. Everybody LARPs, but somehow only the HRE and North Korea get shit for it.

[Anonymous No.15464120]

>>15464106
I also assume it's this same person who has some kind of HRE boner >>15463794

[Anonymous No.15464139]

>>15464106
>It doesn't come off as a joke
Are you legitimately autistic?

>but anon being assmad because of the last sentence.
Because calling the naming of states "LARPing" and complaining that NK and the HRE "get shit" for their names, is obviously totally serious?

>>15464120
Do you unironically have autism?
No sentence which started with "Yikes", has *EVER* been serious.

I mean holy shit, at >>15464036 I even started to parrot you, did you believe I tried to make actual arguments?

[Anonymous No.15464149]

>>15464139
I assume everyone I'm talking to online is a retard, and I'm correct the majority of the time. If you aren't, oh well.

[Anonymous No.15464153]

>>15464149
I might be retarded, but I was obviously not being serious.

[Anonymous No.15464280]

>>15464149
>I assume everything is in bad faith so I respond to everything in bad faith. If it wasn't in bad faith, it it doesn't matter to me.
This is truly a source of many problems.

[Anonymous No.15464337]

>>15463611
It's the first crusade, not the fourth, but yeah there's a ton of parallels

[Anonymous No.15464502]

>>15464337
Sure, my memory is quite vague, but the Parallels to the *Byzantine* Empire were very clear.

[Anonymous No.15464662]

>>15464502
Well even specifically the first crusade.
>Alexios Komnenos subdues some steppe tribe armies shortly before the crusade begins
>Komnenos' mother had an unusual amount of political power
>there's a motley horde of non-soldier crusaders that is sent off to get massacred before the real thing starts
>The byzantines and crusaders travel and fight together until Antioch(Caraskand?) and then part ways before the final leg to Jerusalem because of disagreements about leadership/spoils
There's probably many more parallels that I don't know about between the real life crusade leaders like Raymond of Toulouse and characters like Proyas, idk I'm not a historian I just listen to podcasts

[Anonymous No.15464831]

>>15464098
>get caught out for sperging over nothing
>y-you didn't know I was joking? hahahaa...

[Anonymous No.15464852]

>>15463854
>implying xianxia protagonist are well written

[Anonymous No.15464857]

>>15464831
>sperging over nothing
In what world can anybody believe that >>15463794 is a serious post?

[Anonymous No.15464870]

>>15464857
We are on 4chan. There are people who believe the shit they type. There was a nutter here last week who was saying that corona is fake, and they want people to stay home so they can get enough time to implement 5g across the world.

[Anonymous No.15464949]

>>15461889
three months for a quality 90k first draft is reasonable for a full-time professional, although many struggle to do that

[Anonymous No.15464973]

>>15464870
Fuck the goy know.
Shut it down!

[Anonymous No.15465020]

Are any of the Halo books worth reading and if so, which ones?

[Anonymous No.15465021]

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35073163-super-sales-on-super-heroes
What the fuck, how did this get so popular? I remember Arand's top book on goodreads having like 1.5k ratings, and Super Sales was not that popular after it came out.
You stupid coomers.

[Anonymous No.15465242]

>>15465021
kindle unlimited

[Anonymous No.15465284]

>>15465021
Through dick, unity.

[Anonymous No.15465428]

>>15465021
>Warning and minor spoiler: This novel contains graphic violence, undefined relationships/partial harem, unconventional opinions/beliefs, and a hero who is as tactful as a dog at a cat show. Read at your own risk.
Sounds stupid.

[Anonymous No.15465527]

>>15463669
i set a 500 word daily goal because it seemed reasonable, but I can't always stick to it. admittedly, i can stick to it more reliably than I could years ago, but there's still nights where i can't make the goal. on average, i can stick to it maybe two nights a week. i think my issue was i got worse at saying "fuck it" and forcing myself to write a scene even if it turns out like ass

[Anonymous No.15465782]

>>15464097
>>15463585
This is NOT starting off well. What the hell is with this thread, and emotionally detached female assassins? This is like the 5th book you guys recommended with this protagonist.

-Book of the ancestor: Girl born to be a natural assassin, fueled by revenge, and lacks empathy.
-The Elder Empire: Girl born to be a natural assassin, and lacks empathy. Not quite fuelled by revenge, but has a doggish loyalty to her friends that forces her to take revenge.
-Song of the Shattered Sands: Girl born to be a natural fighter and assassin, and fuelled by revenge. Not exactly lacking in empathy, but she learns how to be cold , and takes lives as easy as breathing.
-Borne: This is a bit of a stretch. But the main character is a trapper and scavenger. So in a way, she kills using sneaky techniques, while remaining hidden. So in that sense, she's like an assassin. She has plenty of empathy, but she still acts like a cold bitch regardless of how she feels on the inside.
-Cradle: An even farther stretch, because she's not the main character. Though, she shares a lot of screentime with the main guy, and she's even getting more PoV chapters as the series progresses. Another natural born killer. She's not an assassin, but she's a cold blooded killer, fuelled by revenge.

And now I'm getting acquainted with The Library at Mount Char. And so far, it appears I'm dealing with another sneaking, emotionally detached killer. This isn't looking good.

[Anonymous No.15465818]

>>15465527
Just go on an irrelevant tangent (thats what King does) when you don't know what to write about.

[Anonymous No.15465829]

>>15465818
Yeah but King does it so well you either don't notice or don't care.

[Anonymous No.15465945]

>>15465782
>it appears I'm dealing with another sneaking, emotionally detached killer
welcome brother. kill all emotions and set yourself free of society. all feelings are kill.

[Anonymous No.15466164]

Oh you guys are still talking about fantasy.
In the meantime SpaceX launch has been postponed.

[Anonymous No.15466177]

>>15465021
>What the fuck, how did this get so popular?
Because of muh dick. Plus he puts out regularly.
He is by far better than the others.
>Simon Archer, Logan Jacobs, Eric Vall, Dante King Harmon Cooper and others are pure shit.

[Anonymous No.15466238]

>>15453382
kind of, i actually like dark fantasy the most where its "gritty" real life set in a world where magical things happen to exist, like game of thrones, berserk, the witcher or the black company.
but high fantasy is purely escapism for me, forest gods, elves and mostly homogenized white civilisations is my dream world.

[Anonymous No.15466358]

>>15464870
>There was a nutter here last week who was saying that corona is fake, and they want people to stay home so they can get enough time to implement 5g across the world.
Did he repeatedly use the word "Yikes"?

[Anonymous No.15466368]

I love Runescape. What is the best fantasy novel for me.

[Anonymous No.15466464]

>>15466358
There was no use of the word "yikes".
If I see someone use "yikes" I automatically assume they are reddit.

[Anonymous No.15466514]

/sffg/, what's something I can read in the pits of my depression that will inspire me to write again?

the corona life is boring me to death

[Shill No.15466566]

Hi , let me just shill this.

Coming of age story set in fantasy world filled magic battles, sword fighting, political intrigue.
It also includes master and apprentice, magical college, spells, fairies, demons. If you are interested then read this book.

[Anonymous No.15466571]

>>15466514

[Anonymous No.15466593]

>>15466566
You already did it earlier in the thread.
I see your Choice of Magic and raise you The Beginning After the End

[Anonymous No.15466596]

>>15466566

[Anonymous No.15466631]

>>15466593
I've read all 7 books and was actually surprised on how good it was.

I thought that it was going to be like one of those shitty Chinese web novel that turns into a manga, but surprisingly, I enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.15466704]

>>15466593
What is this? Is this chinese? Also it appears to be a part of a series (Convergence?), do I need to read the other books first?

[Anonymous No.15466766]

>>15466704
>Also it appears to be a part of a series (Convergence?)
>do I need to read the other books first?
>do I need to read book one before book 5
I don't know. Do you start books in the middle?

[Anonymous No.15466889]

>>15466593
One of the authors hasn't revealed his/her identity, the other is a woman.
Are there any sex or romance scenes? Does it happen often? What about current day social justice themes?
I am not against any of that, it's just I don't want to read a romantic novel or anything where mc cannot go a day without having a sexual encounter. Again, it's just my personal preference.

[Anonymous No.15466924]

>>15466889
Pirate Aba is female, you can see it in the writing.
The writing in this feels male. No sex because he is still young, he doesn't have that shit authors write where the MC gets walked over by a female JUST because she has a vagina.

[Anonymous No.15467330]

>>15466566
you should really get a better cover artist Michael

[Anonymous No.15467446]

>>15466593
>Read the synopsis
>It's Isekai shit

I don't understand why you would even bother posting that.

[Anonymous No.15467472]

>>15467330
He wouldn't shill in 4chan.
It's cosmerefag. He got hooked on the series. I hope it doesn't disappoint when the audio releases next month (week).

[Anonymous No.15467526]

>>15467472
JUST READ IT!

[Anonymous No.15467635]

yooooooooooooooooo

>>15465033

[Anonymous No.15467665]

>>15467635
THAT'S REALLY HER.

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED

[Anonymous No.15467678]

>>15467665
bitches and whores man.

[Anonymous No.15467927]

>>15466368
Latro in the mist

[Anonymous No.15468054]

>>15467446
>I don't understand why you would enjoy this thing I never read and pretend to know about because I read the blurb

[Anonymous No.15468062]

>>15467635
That shit is old. I saw something similar posted last year or the year before.

[Anonymous No.15468072]

Just finished this, and really enjoyed it. Not even just for the power armor and the fighting weird aliens, I even liked the boot camp parts which I never like, and the political treatises were interesting. Is there anything else like it, that's as good?
I already have The Forever War and Armor.

[Anonymous No.15468175]

>>15468072
>power armor
So it's low level mech novel?

[Anonymous No.15468192]

>>15468175
It's about, like, what it means to be a soldier and the purpose of society and stuff. Not in a way that makes that stuff thematic, it's very direct. And also the soldiers wear power armor that dramatically increases their strength and maneuverability, gives them a heads-up display, and so on.

[Anonymous No.15468267]

What's the real reason the fat man has gone a decade without releasing TWOW, /sffg/? Money, boredom, too many plots to tie up?

[Anonymous No.15468278]

>>15468267
He's got fuck you money and is doing what he wants with it. He famously doesn't outline so it's inevitably gonna be a slow process to tie all his plots together when he is writing.

His latest thing is buying a historic railway to restore. Wildcards still getting frequent releases tho lol

[Anonymous No.15468408]

>>15467472
I haven't typed about it since I finished it. My last book post was >>15461288
I don't post much about what I read because nobody reads what I read.
This series has better writing and decision making but nothing fun like the goddamn cat

[Anonymous No.15468645]

>>15465782
Yerin isn’t fueled by revenge. Your reading comprehension must be terrible

[Anonymous No.15468651]

>>15466514
The Bible

[Anonymous No.15468793]

how's your night going /sffg/?

The good news is I just had a new character idea. The bad news is I have no idea what I'm doing with the next part of my story and even thinking about it is making me anxious

[Anonymous No.15468866]

>>15468267
It's pretty obvious he had run out of steam by dance with dragons. What would be the point?

[Anonymous No.15469129]

>>15467446
>I don't understand why you would even bother actually reading

[Anonymous No.15469156]

Pepe the frog is coming back June the first.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25236525-prisoner

[Anonymous No.15469159]

>>15468267
It amazes me that people still care about GURM or Rothfuck. You wanted closure fine but after a few years you KNOW if it does come out, it's going to be shit. All you're doing is fucking yourself over.

[Anonymous No.15469372]

>>15469156
No way. How is this not dead in the water? 6 fucking years between book 1 and book 2

[Anonymous No.15469373]

>>15469159
It's why people continue to read Jordan after book one.

[Anonymous No.15469384]

>>15469372
He went to pharmacy school and other shit got in the way. He finished school year before the last I think, and has been pushing to finish it since.
He even has book three partly completed.

[Anonymous No.15469583]

>>15469159
Personally, GRRM's worldbuilding autism really scratches that itch I have, and I haven't found anything else yet with a character who's as much of a madlad as book euron and his Lovecraft aspirations either
Something about the low fantasy setting and cthulhuesque shit lurking just under the surface really does it for me

[Anonymous No.15469622]

>>15468645
Yerin's motivations can be boiled down to "dey killed muh master!" Sure, there are some layers surrounding that, so she isn't such a one-note character. But at the core of it all, she's angry that people/creatures took her family and master away from her.

[Anonymous No.15469892]

>>15467635
Bottom text.

[Anonymous No.15469949]

>>15453590
>>15453989
>>15454278
Also gave up on bakker after he got too far up his own ass in the second trilogy (first one was really good though). Can you answer some more questions so I don't have to read the books:
- so what is all this salvation/damnation/judging eye business? You make it sound as if EVERYONE is damned, because the gods/demons want to omnomnom all the souls, so nobody gets a good end whatever they do. What's different about sorcerers then?
- how did Kellhus, being an amoral lying manipulative sociopath WIZARD, not notice that his fucking son is a lying manipulative schizo crazy? That was one of the more jarring bits of TJE for me, there's no way he just overlooks that. Is there a reason or it's just bad plotting?

[Anonymous No.15470098]

A Will Eternal is so much fucking fun, almost confused by how good it is because I don't like anything else I've read by Er Gen

[Anonymous No.15470130]

>>15470098
Don't be such a bugmen anon.

[Anonymous No.15470155]

>>15470098
Not really AWE related, but one would think Jeremy/Deathblade could write an accessible Wuxia/Xianxia piece, and making a fucking killing for 'original fantasy' on the western popular fantasy market.

[Anonymous No.15470161]

New Daniel Black when?

[Anonymous No.15470238]

>>15469159
GRRM's combo of character writing and worldbuilding hits the perfect spot for me and he's one of those few writers who I find almost always enjoyable. I don't read for the "closure", but because I like seeing what happens and how.

[Anonymous No.15470384]

>>15470238
This anon gets it. I still want to believe TWOW will get released and will be actually good, even though I know there's almost no chance of that after 10 years.
Maybe I should reread Dying of the Light instead, I remember it being rather good.

[Anonymous No.15470468]

>>15470384
>Maybe I should reread Dying of the Light instead, I remember it being rather good.
>A whisperjewel has summoned Dirk t’Larien to Worlorn, and a love he thinks he lost. But Worlorn isn’t the world Dirk imagined, and Gwen Delvano is no longer the woman he once knew. She is bound to another man, and to a dying planet that is trapped in twilight. Gwen needs Dirk’s protection, and he will do anything to keep her safe, even if it means challenging the barbaric man who has claimed her.
Yeah I ain't reading this cuckshit.

[Anonymous No.15470536]

>>15470468
Egads!
Just hire a hooker before you go off to save the world.

[Anonymous No.15470545]

>>15470536
>Paying money for sex
>Paying money for sex with a human cumrag
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.15470567]

>>15470545
So you're off to save the world while m'lady is blueballing you with some "barbaric man"?
Wow you cucks are something else.

[Anonymous No.15470577]

>>15470567
Say something that makes sense next time.

[Anonymous No.15470584]

>>15470577
I am fairly certain that you would enjoy Rothfuss.

[Anonymous No.15470589]

>>15470584
>Say that I don't like cuck stories
>Tell me that I would like a cuck story
??? Not following you at all here, anon.

[Anonymous No.15470598]

>>15470589
Oh and he also had a collab with Chuck Tingle.
Right up your alley so to speak.

[Anonymous No.15470619]

>>15470598
Is this really the best insult you can muster?

[Anonymous No.15470643]

>>15470619
>insult
Man it's just bantz. It's not an attack on your (or m'ladies) honor.
You must be a blast at the parties.

[Anonymous No.15470923]

>came up with a pretty humorous way to explain my views on a couple of moral issues
>don't know fucking anything about dinosaurs
Is what I picked up from Jurassic Park enough or would I have to look more into this stuff? How much of science fiction is based on actually knowing about the science part of your story?

[Anonymous No.15470964]

damn, all this Bakker talk. the books were fine. I read some so fast I hardly remember a lot of it. something is wrong with Bakker and we're never going to see the next trilogy

[Anonymous No.15470997]

>>15470964
>something is wrong
yeah he doesn't have a publisher lol

[Anonymous No.15470998]

>>15470964
here are my absolutely shitty notes of the entire series that I wrote real quick. at no point do I claim these notes to be correct / accurately represent the texts. just postin' for fun..

[Anonymous No.15471128]

>>15463585
>>15465782
Yikes, bro. Did you actually read and enjoy this book? I need some reassurance that it gets better. Because the first few chapters are pretty cringey. Does the story get good, or what? I'm pretty close to dropping it, but I want to be fair and give a chance. I'm having a real hard time swallowing quirky assassin girl right now.

[Anonymous No.15471189]

>>15469949
>how did Kellhus, being an amoral lying manipulative sociopath WIZARD, not notice that his fucking son is a lying manipulative schizo crazy?
Stop speed reading. The soulless cunt hid from daddy as much as possible, and manipulated mommy into protecting him. There is a head on a pole behind you also wasn't home much. It's why soulless went after uncle, because uncle was around all the time and saw too much.

[Anonymous No.15471200]

>>15470161
Never as long as he has paypiggies giving him thousands of dollars a month.
fuck e william brown

[Anonymous No.15471237]

>>15470923
Just know they had feathers instead of scales.

[Anonymous No.15471245]

Next thread lads. Also I hated the first book of the new sun. Twas shit.

[Anonymous No.15471263]

>>15471128
I like it for the characters and their interactions within the house. The plot was also good. If you don't like it drop it. Many others read it and liked, don't force yourself if you are seeing female assassins in every book you read.

[Anonymous No.15471343]

>>15471189
I'll stop speedreading when bakker stops writing with his dick. The second trilogy had so much pseudophilosophical wankery (and good old regular wankery) I had to skip whole chunks of text to keep my sanity.
>The soulless cunt hid from daddy as much as possible, and manipulated mommy into protecting him.
That makes no sense. It should have been obvious to Kelhus that he's hiding. It's not some random peasant, but one of his potentially most powerful tools, he should have thoroughly examined and trained his son since birth.

[Anonymous No.15471359]

>>15471263
You liked the interaction? I know it's early for me to judge. Because I've only just been introduced to the librarians. But still, there seems to be major inconsistency in why they do and don't know. Like, how can a character know where to get weed, but then not know what Listerine is? I suppose the library has its own brand of weed?
Or how about they stress how controlling Father is, yet they also call a road the road to tacos, because they're sneak out regularly to get tacos? Huh? If they can just sneak out to get tacos, then what the hell was that whole story in the intro about? Why go through the lengths of showing how brutal punishment is, and then be like "lol, we sneak out to get tacos! XD"

Honestly, it reads like a crappy CW show so far. I'm going to give it a few more chapters though. I hate the feeling that I'm missing out.

[Anonymous No.15471378]

>>15471237
That sounds like bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15471402]

>>15470964
Why are the steppe people "masters of warfare" in the first book so surprised by the imperials using sorcerers? Seems pretty obvious that in any setting with mages they'd completely dominate the battlefield

[Anonymous No.15471404]

>>15471128
>Yikes, bro
Of course a rebbit user like yourself wouldn't be able to stomach non redbit books. If it isn't shilled on rebbit you can't read it.

[Anonymous No.15471420]

>>15471343
Read the fucking books again then. Speed reading scum.

[Anonymous No.15471495]

>>15471200
>>15470161
What is this shit with e william browne? Why is he being posted so fucking much? Jesus fuck.

[Anonymous No.15471534]

>>15471495
He is the only one (besides Randi, who has many other problems) who writes chad self-insert wish fulfillment books without retarded burgerland morals, and white knight MC' who lack ambition, and wit.

[Anonymous No.15471535]

>>15471378
It was both, depending on the species. It is generally agreed now that dinosaurs and birds are extremely closely related and share many otherwise unique features (feathers, skeletal structure, lung sacs, brooding, gizzard stones etc.).

[Anonymous No.15471563]

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[Anonymous No.15471571]

>>15471404
Dude, edgy assassin girls are PEAK reddit. It's all that Arya Stark kind of shit.
Also, literally my entire reading history has been 4chan recommendations so far. Every one. Some of you fucks just have shitty tastes. I bet you unironically like the schoolgirl yandere trope.

[Anonymous No.15471606]

>>15471571
>bet you unironically like the schoolgirl yandere trope.
I don't even know what that is.

[Anonymous No.15471623]

>>15471534
>He is the only one (besides Randi, who has many other problems) who writes chad self-insert wish fulfillment books without retarded burgerland morals, and white knight MC' who lack ambition, and wit
Who can only two people write as such? Why self insert?

[Anonymous No.15471642]

>>15471606
c'mon man. I don't believe anyone can be that ignorant of anime. Stop trying to play me for a fool.

[Anonymous No.15471695]

>>15471642
I know what anime is, but I'm not /a/. I watched a few, but of the few I watched I avoid the ones with school girls or school in general. Can't take kid shit, or guys having girls walk over him because "it's funny". Never watched a full episode of sailor moon, etc. I'm probably a filthy casual when it comes to anime. Pokemon, cyborg 007, speed racer, digimon, monster ranchers, metabots, etc.

[Anonymous No.15471758]

>>15471343
He didn’t care about his last pair of sons, they were there to keep Esmenet happy. He already had 2 sons and 2 daughters that he used for his tools. Kel and Sen were too young to be of value to him, so he basically ignored them unless they started causing trouble.

Dunyain only care about things that benefit or hamper their goals. The ordeal was already going, Kellhus was focused elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.15471768]

>>15471623
>only two people write as such?
I was imprecise with my words. I am sure there are more, these two are just the only ones I know.

>Why self insert?
Because reading it in combination with wish fulfillment releases pleasurable hormones in my brain.

[Anonymous No.15471778]

>>15471695
Jesus Christ. And you're calling ME reddit. I shouldn't have to explain what a yandere is to anyone on 4chan. No matter how casual.

Do you know Arya Stark at least?
Imagine a character like Arya, except take away the grounding characteristics that make her a likeable character. All that's left is the girl who is very casual about killing, or even likes it. She pretends to fit in with others, but doesn't really understand how they feel. Like what TV show Arya became in season 7. Cooking Freys into pies, and slitting Walder's throat with a smile on her face, and walking away like the audience is supposed to clap. THAT'S reddit.
That's more or less the characters you guys have been recommending to me.

[Anonymous No.15471777]

>>15466464
>There was no use of the word "yikes".
>>15463794

[Anonymous No.15471788]

>>15470238
>but because I like seeing what happens
So you *hate* GRRM from the bottom of your soul?

[Anonymous No.15471823]

>>15471768
>Because reading it in combination with wish fulfillment releases pleasurable hormones in my brain.
So self insert is for cum brains?

[Anonymous No.15471852]

>>15471778
>Imagine a character like Arya, except take away the grounding characteristics that make her a likeable character. All that's left is the girl who is very casual about killing, or even likes it. She pretends to fit in with others, but doesn't really understand how they feel
So a yandere is a female murder hobo? You mean that one that likes to lick blood in those few eps I saw of hero academia? Why would people like a female r9k who gets off on murder? Fetishes are fucked.

[Anonymous No.15471861]

>>15471823
There's a lot of top tier literary fiction with self inserts, so no.
But the sort which Brown writes is for dopamine brains.

[Anonymous No.15471938]

>>15471852
Uh, I wasn't exactly describing a yandere. In fact, I was only using a yandere as an adjacent example to explain the cringy female assassin trope. Because I thought yanderes were common knowledge here on 4chan... or anywhere really. Honestly, how can you be a general internet denizen and not know what yandere is? Next you're going to tell me that you don't know what long cat is.

But yeah, "female /r9k/ who gets off on murder" is a very nice description of a yandere character. I don't know where you pulled /r9k/ from. Despite claiming to know nothing about yanderes.
That was a very good pull for someone who is supposedly ignorant on the topic. HMMMMMM
But in truth, a yandere doesn't necessarily have to get off on murder. She's only willing to murder, in order to protect her relationship with whoever she's in love with. Love is a key factor in it all. Yanderes are like psycho girlfriends. Sometimes, you don't even know they're your girlfriend. But they know you were meant to be together.

[Anonymous No.15472080]

>>15471938
>I don't know where you pulled /r9k/ from. Despite claiming to know nothing about yanderes.
>>15471778
>She pretends to fit in with others, but doesn't really understand how they feel.
I was stretching with the r9k, because we both know that robots can't pretend to fit in, they can try, but always give themselves away once they open their mouths.

Also I think I heard of the girls who like you, but pretend that they hate you. It's one of the reasons I ignore those school typey anime.

[Anonymous No.15472132]

>>15472080
>I totally don't know what a tsundere is. btw I forgot to mention I watched a few episodes of My Hero Academia before, tee hee.
I still don't trust you. Also, you have a different idea of /r9k/ than I do. I was thinking more along the lines of them being so desperate for love, that they do and say insane things.

[Anonymous No.15473163]

>>15464280
This is legitimately my default mode IRL from browsing this site in my free time. Only since having a child and seeing her wonder and marvel have I realized this is a disgusting way to behave and rarely results in good things happening for you.