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Anonymous Sat May 23 19:41:58 2020 No.15435243 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: words that give away reddit-tier scholarship/critique of fiction
>Mary Sue
>""subvert"" / ""subversion""
>nuance
>trope
>trope """inversion"""
>character flaw
>[weird metaphysical accounting of every character's virtues and flaws to make sure each has an equal number both and so qualifies as a "good" character with """depth""" who is ''''''human""""]
>character development
>character motivation
>setpiece
>inner conflict
>back story
>["interesting"/experimental narrator]
>[""interesting"" narrative POV]
>["""intriguing"""/unique narration style]
>"""expository""" writing, dialogue, narrative
>[any critique that betrays and/or advocates reading for plot, setting, characters, ideas, etc.]

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 19:46:47 2020 No.15435284 >>15435243 >Plot >Morally gray characters >pretentious prose >Purple prose >Prose >Groundbreaking >Hero’s journey >Campbellian arc >”I identify/don’t identify with the character(s)” >Meandering >Slog

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 19:48:20 2020 No.15435295 >>15435243 “A Hideo Kojima Game”

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 19:49:12 2020 No.15435301 >>15435243 The most obvious >Holy....I want more!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 19:54:57 2020 No.15435345 >Creates a pity hierarchy where the character they pity the most by default is their favorite character

Anonymous Sat May 23 19:55:00 2020 No.15435347
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>complaining that there are too many complicated words and that the sentences are too long
>complaining that there are too many descriptions and that the writer needs to "get to the story!"
>complaining about the non-linear plot saying you can't tell what's a flashback or not
>complaining about writers who don't use quotation marks and saying you can't tell what's dialogue or narration
>complaining that something's "boring" and leaving it at that

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 19:56:51 2020 No.15435358 Based criticism: >based >cringe Cringe criticism: >everything else

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 20:21:21 2020 No.15435503 >>15435358 Exquisite post anon

Anonymous Sat May 23 20:22:46 2020 No.15435514
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What are you supposed to call tropes other than "tropes"? I realize that word has been ruined by the retards at TVTropes but there has to be a good word out there for ideas and concepts repeated in multiple works of art.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 20:27:55 2020 No.15435557 >>15435514 Motif kinda fits

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 20:29:48 2020 No.15435567 Does anyone here actually enjoy reading and discussing literature? Just curious.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 22:02:40 2020 No.15436156 >>15435243 >midwits like OP caring about the people who use words and is offended deeply by it

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 22:08:10 2020 No.15436190 File: 98 KB, 844x960, HUGE PLOT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >backstory >character development >world building >motivation >pacing >deconstruction Yeah who needs those when you can have HUGE ANIME TIDDIES

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 22:14:21 2020 No.15436221 “The dark souls of books”

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 22:16:04 2020 No.15436231 >>15436221 Gtfo here and go back to Redit, that is a total leddit-tier description of a book

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 22:16:49 2020 No.15436235 >>15436156 Analysis on who uses what words is midwit now? You just wrecked the entire discipline of linguistics man

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 22:17:57 2020 No.15436248 >>15435243 >typing this whole thing out >ISHYGDDT

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 22:18:22 2020 No.15436251 >>15435567 Sure, just drop the bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 22:20:00 2020 No.15436261 >>15435514 memes

>>	Anonymous Sat May 23 22:21:33 2020 No.15436270 >>15436156 t. deeply offended OP's words

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 00:20:31 2020 No.15436906 >>15435243 ah yes instead I much prefer the 4chan method of posting frogs, wojaks, gigachads, and calling things [fotm adjective] and then never elaborating upon it and instead personally attacking those who disagree with me

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 00:48:19 2020 No.15437044 >>15435243 lore

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 00:51:09 2020 No.15437064 >>15435243 >wow

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 00:57:05 2020 No.15437100 File: 79 KB, 720x704, 1421110409042.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >agency >Bechdel test >world building >manic pixie dream girl

Anonymous Sun May 24 00:58:13 2020 No.15437107

>>15435243
I get a lot of these but
>nuance
Am I not allowed to say something is or isn't multi-faceted now?
>character development
Am I not allowed to talk about a pretty significant part of writing? Must all characters go unchanged?
>motivation
Yeah, that's good. If a character isn't consistent, people are allowed to say "this character changed motivations seemingly randomly"
>anything that advocates writing for anything other than prose
You're just saying there's only one point to reading at this point. You're just saying art has a single purpose, deemed by you, and everyone who disagrees isn't as smart as you.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 00:58:21 2020 No.15437108 >>15435514 cliches

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 01:47:13 2020 No.15437273 >>15436906 You have to go back

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 02:17:24 2020 No.15437382 >>15436906 Shut the fuck up, nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 02:27:21 2020 No.15437404 >>15435358 cringe

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 02:41:16 2020 No.15437447 >>15435243 >Show don't tell Anyone who says this without adding any clarification should not be trusted.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 02:51:30 2020 No.15437483 >>15437107 this. OP and everyone else in this thread is retarded

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 03:02:53 2020 No.15437523 >>15437273 to where I've probably been here longer than you have >>15437382 lmao stay mad retard

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 03:04:29 2020 No.15437528 >>15437523 The fact you don’t know what this refers to pretty much guarantees you are a reddit tourist

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 03:12:29 2020 No.15437553 >>15437528 No retard I knew exactly what you were talking about I just didn't want to humor your parrot response to anything that upsets you and plus I only use reddit for porn lol

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 03:24:11 2020 No.15437601 >>15435284 >Morally gray characters Why reddit wants only GOOD and BAD people in books?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 03:25:14 2020 No.15437604 >>15437601 too much super hero movies?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 03:25:34 2020 No.15437608 >>15435243 >scholarship

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 03:37:33 2020 No.15437658 >>15435514 Topos/topi you fucking pleb

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Anonymous Sun May 24 05:49:38 2020 No.15438165

>>15435514
TvTropes isn't that bad. It reinvents the wheel and mainly focuses on pop culture, but everyone on 4chan is signalling how edgy they are by acting like they browse no other websites. It's cringe. Not everything has to be racism and irony 24/7 you tryhard fags.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 05:51:26 2020 No.15438175 >>15435284 >>Purple prose What does that mean, non-anglo here

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 06:13:27 2020 No.15438285 >Kafkaesque

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 06:29:08 2020 No.15438347 >lovecraftian Especially when it's something that doesn't even remotely resemble Lovecraft

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 06:30:21 2020 No.15438354 >>15437601 you didn't read correctly

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 07:20:46 2020 No.15438592 >>15435514 The DNA of the soul.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 24 07:23:36 2020 No.15438603 >>15438175 Basically any cringe failed attempt at maximalism.

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