/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15424553]

>he pushes through ancient philosophy texts looking for intellectual enlightenment instead of simply reading modern textbooks on math and science

[Anonymous No.15424567]

Buddy, even contemporary mathematicians and scientists write literature that isn't textbooks. Why waste your time on that shit anyway?

[Anonymous No.15424580]

>As I reflected on this subject I was glad to think that I had found in Anaxagoras a teacher about the cause of things after my own heart, and that he would tell me, first, whether the earth is flat or round, and then would explain why it is so of necessity, saying which is better, and that it was better to be so. If he said it was in the middle of the universe, he would go on to show that it was better for it to be in the middle, and if he showed me those things I should be prepared never to desire any other kind of cause. I was ready to find out in the same way about the sun and the moon and the other heavenly bodies, about their relative speed, their turnings and whatever else happened to them, how it is best that each should act or be acted upon.

>I eagerly acquired his books and read them as quickly as I could in order to know the best and the worst as soon as possible.

>This wonderful hope was dashed as I went on reading and saw that the man made no use of Mind, nor gave it any responsibility for the management of things, but mentioned as causes air and ether and water and many other strange things. That seemed to me much like saying that Socrates’ actions are all due to his mind, and then in trying to tell the causes of everything I do, to say that the reason that I am sitting here is because my body consists of bones and sinews, because the bones are hard and are separated by joints, that the sinews are such as to contract and relax, that they surround the bones along with flesh and skin which hold them together, then as the bones are hanging in their sockets, the relaxation and contraction of the sinews enable me to bend my limbs, and that is the cause of my sitting here with my limbs bent.

>To call those things causes is too absurd. If someone said that without bones and sinews and all such things, I should not be able to do what I decided, he would be right, but surely to say that they are the cause of what I do, and not that I have chosen the best course, even though I act with my mind, is to speak very lazily and carelessly. Imagine not being able to distinguish the real cause from that without which the cause would not be able to act as a cause. It is what the majority appear to do, like people groping in the dark; they call it a cause, thus giving it a name that does not belong to it.

- Socrates

tl;dr nobody cares, they are not topics that matter

[Anonymous No.15424584]

>>15424553
science is a liar

[Anonymous No.15424598]

>>15424553

[Anonymous No.15424607]

>intellectual enlightenment
>reading modern textbooks on math and science

[Anonymous No.15424623]

>>15424580
>Imagine not being able to distinguish the real cause from that without which the cause would not be able to act as a cause
Based.

Note how all the "science" that Socrates could have studied back then was all wrong, a waste of time. The same can be said of "science" at any point in history, including now.

[Anonymous No.15424638]

>>15424623
And yet Socrates is still relevant today, unlike the science of his day, because he made a point of dedicating his live to questions he knew would be timeless.

[Anonymous No.15424639]

>>15424584
sometimes

[Anonymous No.15424656]

Ah geeze Rick, cataloguing this world of illusions seems like a waste of time.
*burp* Morty, it's the only way I can cope Morty *burp*.

[Anonymous No.15424667]

>>15424638
far less relevant than euclid or pythagoras or eratosthenes or archimedes etc. you just wouldn't know because you're too stupid for math and science so you avoid it.

[Anonymous No.15424671]

>>15424623
>Note how all the "science" that Socrates could have studied back then was all wrong, a waste of time.
Except thats not true, for example a lot of medical advice from that period is still very sound.

[Anonymous No.15424677]

>>15424553
I was at a friend’s house. This guy had PhD in theoretical physics and very intellectual. At the same time he was a loner and geeky. I came across one of his notes (thinking it was going to be complex math equations) and instead got a really weird mystical shit about the Messiah and some other stuff I don’t feel comfy talking about. I never looked the same way at him again

[Anonymous No.15424681]

>>15424656
fucking based

[Anonymous No.15424687]

>>15424656
>*fails to come to a single solid conclusion in 2500 years of armchair analysis of human concepts*
>heh world of illusions they don't know that nothing nothings like me

[Anonymous No.15424694]

>>15424677
he's based
you're cringe

[Anonymous No.15424704]

>>15424553
>its the stemtards hate philosophy thread again
The best scientists were very immersed in ancient philosophy ideas. You are an objective, quantifiable approximation of cringe.

[Anonymous No.15424712]

>>15424694
The point is that I think super smart people are into weird shit that’s not scientific. It’s the normies that consider occult and philosophy pointless

[Anonymous No.15424720]

>>15424553
Nice use of the meme phrase "intellectual enlightenment." I doubt you could define it.

[Anonymous No.15424736]

>>15424667
I don't think you realize the contributions of Socrates/Plato

[Anonymous No.15424763]

>>15424598
>appeal to authority to prove philosophy isn’t totally pointless
>have to use a scientist
poor philosocucks

[Anonymous No.15424767]

>>15424712
This. Newton was into occult. Jung was into occult. Einstein was into philosophy and followed Spinoza’s pantheistic ideology

[Anonymous No.15424780]

>>15424763
It’s not appealing to authority. It’s just that if you’re super smart you start to become weird too and look for explanations though non-scientific means.

[Anonymous No.15424790]

>he reads the greeks, the scholastics, the empiricists, the german idealists
>could have just read wittgenstein

[Anonymous No.15424801]

>>15424553
I am an engineer and I didn't find any enlightenment in math or science. I sort of regret starting with the Greeks so late.

[Anonymous No.15424820]

>>15424553
>you don't get it! we're examining the GROUND of all BEING QUA BEING. the NECESSARILY existing ACTUALITY from which all BEING fLowS! ESSENCES are the FOUNDATION of REASON and SCIENCE!!!1

[Anonymous No.15426407]

>>15424712
this, exactly this.
i got laughed at on another forum over on /x/ when i brought up how the occult and philosophy are intertwined.
>whatever, philosophy is mental masturbation

[Anonymous No.15426712]

Science is gay

[Anonymous No.15426723]

>>15424553
I literally do both and so should you if you want to make it.

[Anonymous No.15426743]

>>15424763
"appeal to authority" isn't a real fallacy and doesn't need to be mentioned in a conversation, all it does is obfuscate.

[Anonymous No.15426751]

>>15424687
You are so buttblasted by the German Idealists holy shit you dumbfuck coper there is no getting past Kant, accept it.

[Anonymous No.15426769]

>>15424567
Every single mathematician, physicist, etc. doing research work out there right now had to spend years learning the basics of branches from their current discipline of study in order to get an idea on what to do research on, as opposed to just rediscovering something someone else already solved, except with slightly different notation.

[Anonymous No.15426968]

>>15426751
Kant was a scientific realist

[Anonymous No.15427210]

>>15424820
this, but unironically.

[Anonymous No.15427291]

My mother is a biochem phd and she's as dumb of a boomer roastie as they come, dad is a car mechanic without a diploma and probably knows more about history than any faggot on this board.

[Anonymous No.15427307]

>>15424553

Nature and human condition are distinct things. If you are not trolling, you'll realize that eventually.

[Anonymous No.15427333]

>>15426723
you only have so much time. you could either spend it reading medieval scholastics on how many angels you can get on a pinhead or heideggers nothing nothings or you can actually learn some fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.15427334]

>>15424767
>jung
>scientist
Lmao

[Anonymous No.15427338]

>accidentally get enlighten from a /sp/ thread
shit sucks yo

[Anonymous No.15427384]

>>15426407
Occultists who dont study philosophy are actually retarded.