If you're here and you're queer, stand up and be counted.

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Anonymous Thu Feb 10 01:21:28 2011 No.1540281 [Reply] [Original]

If you're here and you're queer, stand up and be counted.

>>	Virginia W00F !!GThm5VqxqDi Thu Feb 10 04:59:28 2011 No.1540519 File: 80 KB, 500x666, 1297283189431.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] *cough

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 05:00:28 2011 No.1540520 File: 42 KB, 250x340, typical quebecois.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Scrawny femboys Pig disgusting Where the mens at

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 05:04:28 2011 No.1540522 File: 88 KB, 640x480, 101230-151108.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hmmm

>>	Truman Capote Thu Feb 10 05:06:28 2011 No.1540528 >>1540519 YOU'RE gay?!?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 05:07:28 2011 No.1540529 Most trips here are openly gay.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 05:17:28 2011 No.1540535 subhuman

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 05:18:28 2011 No.1540537 >>1540528 gotta have 'em all: ghey, bald & ginger

>>	Virginie W00F !!GThm5VqxqDi Thu Feb 10 06:20:28 2011 No.1540580 >>1540519 lol'd. I've never been so flattered

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 06:22:28 2011 No.1540581 I'm teh faggoty too! Yes, EVEN ME!

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 06:24:28 2011 No.1540585 File: 12 KB, 200x200, 47eaeb3e52a5d20637551644151434b41716b42.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] haters gonna hate...

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 06:25:28 2011 No.1540587 >>1540581 WTF!? No! I'm not!

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 06:25:28 2011 No.1540588 >>1540587 Shut up, yes we are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 06:34:28 2011 No.1540593 >>1540585 ""In some ways I'm happy about it though because it taught me a lesson. These hate vibes, they're like love vibes, they're very strong and that kept me going. When you're hated so much, you live. Hate was feeding me." [author name removed]

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 06:35:28 2011 No.1540595 >>1540588 Shit, man. Why nobody ever tells me anything?

>>	d4rk000kingof/mu/ !!TlP6M7PkNVH Thu Feb 10 06:37:28 2011 No.1540600 ITT: sickening faggot cunts.

>>	Truman Capote Thu Feb 10 06:45:28 2011 No.1540607 Why does /lit/ think there are there so many gay authors/poets?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 06:52:28 2011 No.1540614 >>1540607 Lit doesn't think that. Gays think that. I swear you faggots are always trying to claim famous authors as your own to bolster your shitty sexual proclivities.It's like black people trying to claim Jesus was black. Faggots.

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 06:58:28 2011 No.1540623

"...the realization that you are 'different' from others may force you to dis-identify from socially conditioned patterns of thought and behavior. This will automatically raise your level of consciousness above that of the unconscious majority, whose members unquestioningly take on board all inherited patterns. In that respect, being gay can be a help. Being an outsider to some extent, someone who does not 'fit in' with others or is rejected by them for whatever reason, makes life difficult, but it also place you at advantage as far as enlightenment is concerned. It takes you out of unconsciousness almost by force.

"On the other hand, if you then develop a sense of identify based on your gayness, you have escaped one trap only to fall into another."

[author name removed]

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 07:38:28 2011 No.1540656 File: 50 KB, 300x425, 81576024b4de2ca63734a6d4151434b41716b42.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] helloooo

>>	Leodiensian !!DiJrnAJDGNk Thu Feb 10 07:48:28 2011 No.1540665 File: 54 KB, 720x480, mehat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sup.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 08:32:28 2011 No.1540698 Lesbian here! Or maybe not, according to people I know who are hardcore feminist/lesbians activists. I don't like them :( I like girls so I'm gay, I don't have to go door to door trying to recruit people to be a "real" lesbian lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 08:47:28 2011 No.1540705 i fucking hate you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 08:55:28 2011 No.1540718 What the fuck does this have to do with books? Take it to /soc/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 08:58:28 2011 No.1540725 >>1540607 As any Juggalo literary theorist will tell you, reading is for fags

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Anonymous Thu Feb 10 09:22:28 2011 No.1540741
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ITT: You faggots are a blight on the world, do everyone a solid and an hero. Either that, or really make your exit from this world entertaining, and follow Mathew Sheapards great example.

>>	Truman Capote Thu Feb 10 09:45:28 2011 No.1540778 Incidentally, I'm completely straight.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 09:50:28 2011 No.1540786 >>1540741 No.

>>	Virginia W00F !!GThm5VqxqDi Thu Feb 10 09:52:28 2011 No.1540792 >>1540778 I call bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 09:52:28 2011 No.1540795 >>1540698 omg, i love your kind! please make more movies, lesbian porn is the best! thx

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 10:28:28 2011 No.1540865 "Gays add a little color into the world." [author name removed]

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 10:40:28 2011 No.1540894 >>1540865 i hope its red from they faggt blood :o)

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 10:41:28 2011 No.1540899 >>1540865 ITT we pretend homosexuality isn't a form of mental illness/brain damage.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 10:42:28 2011 No.1540901 >>1540899 Like every mental health professional with any credibility for the last 40 years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 10:44:28 2011 No.1540907 >>1540901 Joseph Mengele was also a doctor

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 10:53:28 2011 No.1540924 >>1540907 And a damn entertaining doctor to boot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 11:04:28 2011 No.1540950 Sure has alot to do with books in here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 12:09:28 2011 No.1541051 bamp

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 12:15:28 2011 No.1541066

hey fags

im totally cool with you guys, but lol at having transgenders, ie, actual freaks, lumped into your little rainbow

also, maybe if you want to be more mainstream you guys should tone down those flaming fucking parades and gay as fuck bathhouses

seriously, what reaction are you expecting when a bunch of guys wearing nothing but bikinis and mustaches come roller skating down the street while trance music is blaring

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 12:34:28 2011 No.1541087 All of you read a bit more Greek history. Gay people were more important than straights back then. It's becase if the Jews that we hate Gays today.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 12:52:28 2011 No.1541117 >>1541087 The next time I find myself living in ancient Greece, I'll keep that in mind.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 12:56:28 2011 No.1541123 >>1541066 This fag agrees with you.

>>	Femanon Thu Feb 10 13:13:28 2011 No.1541149 Here and queer, but in that way where I go both ways.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:15:28 2011 No.1541157 >>1541066 Hey Steve Brules http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msonq5VR1ec

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:18:28 2011 No.1541161 >>1541123 >"Hey, guys, maybe if I wear a red tie and a blue polyester sports coat and some khakis, they'll finally take me seriously!"

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:19:28 2011 No.1541165 >>1541123 >Log Cabin Republican detected!

Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 13:27:28 2011 No.1541178

>>1541066
gonna have to break some of this shit down for you

>im totally cool with you guys, but lol at having transgenders, ie, actual freaks, lumped into your little rainbow
I think what you're a dick for having this opinion, but it remains mainstream. A hundred years from now, it'll be less of issue than being gay is today. You shouldn't shit on people for being different. Also, be specific: do you mean people born transgendered, people who wish to physically change themselves (transsexuals) or people who wear clothing associated with the opposite gender (transvestites)?

>bathhouses
Try not to get up in arms about shit that doesn't affect you

>parades & seriously, what reaction are you expecting when a bunch of guys wearing nothing but bikinis and mustaches come roller skating down the street while trance music is blaring
I think the point is to celebrate that there is no reason to hide be gay, so acting visibly gay as possible is a political act. It has to do with trying to pass as straight

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:34:28 2011 No.1541199

>>1541161

Well, I don't agree about the trannies or the bathhouses, but I agree about the prides. We're way past the need for that. Thirty years ago we needed the flamboyant displays, it was a way of mocking stereotypes and saying "We're here, you can't ignore us anymore." They know we're here now, and the prides as they're held now only serve to reinforce stereotypes. We're past the "we're here, we're queer" part, we should be moving on to "we're here, except for one thing we're just like you."

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:40:28 2011 No.1541212 >>1541199 I can tell you've never been to a gay pride parade even once in your life. >YES I HAVE, UH-HUH

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:41:28 2011 No.1541213 >>1540281 OP, if that's you, you're really cute btw.

Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 13:42:28 2011 No.1541215

>>1541199
First of all, pride parades occur all over the world, and the differing levels of acceptance of the homosexual community means that in lots of places your point is moot. I know you meant your comment in an American context, but just saying.

Anyway, in America, yeah, they're a bit dated.

Femanon Thu Feb 10 13:42:28 2011 No.1541216

>>1541199
Pride is more than just dressing flamboyantly. There is still a lot of resistance to gays, especially in the South (of the US). Gays are hard to come by in some areas and it's nice to have a sense of community and to know there's people out there like you for one day out of the year when there otherwise is none.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:43:28 2011 No.1541218 >>1541212 If anything, you haven't.

>>	Virginia W00F !!GThm5VqxqDi Thu Feb 10 13:44:28 2011 No.1541220 >>1541216 I recommend the documentary "Small Town Gay Bar".

>>	Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 13:45:28 2011 No.1541221 >>1541218 >NO U!

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:47:28 2011 No.1541224

>>1541216

I can see that, and I guess my dislike of them is based more on what they make idiots think than what I think. I couldn't care less what people dress or act like, but when idiots judge me or think they know me because of what they think they've learned about gay people through prides, it pisses me off. At this point, probably because I'm lucky to live in an accepting area, my problem isn't people discriminating against me or not letting me be myself, it's them not believing that I'm being myself or acting like there's a difference between me before coming out and after.

>>	Femanon Thu Feb 10 13:47:28 2011 No.1541226 >>1541220 I've heard of it. I've gone to the local gay bar once and everyone was over 30. It's not really a place to meet people my age. So are you gay or what?

Isabelle Huppert "Joyless Twat" !!lYVA4YXz75M Thu Feb 10 13:48:28 2011 No.1541227

>>1541215
>>1541216

Honestly most of the pride parades I've attended were both family-friendly and straight-friendly. In other words, they were amusing and pleasant communal gatherings of all different sorts of people, usually encouraged by the cities in which they took place.

So I think if you're approaching the issue solely in terms of the political, then you're missing another point of the event, which is to have fun. Not that politics are irrelevant, but if you approach a gay pride parade today with the mindset of a political organizer, you're probably going to be frustrated and irritated.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:51:28 2011 No.1541230 >>1541220 >"Small Town Gay Bar" >Sounds good >Google >KEVIN SMITH! D:

Femanon Thu Feb 10 13:51:28 2011 No.1541231

>>1541227
That was very much my point. It's more a of a community thing these days, especially in places where the non-gay community isn't as accepting. There's still the politics and rallying for gay rights, but anyone who shows up to one is already accepting so that's not really the point.

>>	Virginia W00F !!GThm5VqxqDi Thu Feb 10 13:53:28 2011 No.1541234 >>1541226 Nah bro. >>1541230 wasn't aware. It was interesting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:53:28 2011 No.1541235 >>1541230 also >watch this promo thing >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7bqJIHrQ28 >that was horrible and offensive

>>	Femanon Thu Feb 10 13:54:28 2011 No.1541236 Fun story. Last time I was at a Pridefest, the drag queen in the Drag Show grabbed my boobs during her performance :D She was a hot chick too.

>>	Femanon Thu Feb 10 13:55:28 2011 No.1541238 >>1541234 Sex slave it is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 13:55:28 2011 No.1541240 >>1541227 There's a difference between attending and viewing. For people who view it as a way to challenge those who stereotype them, I think it fails, though the pride marches have many other benefits.

Isabelle Huppert "Joyless Twat" !!lYVA4YXz75M Thu Feb 10 13:56:28 2011 No.1541241

>>1541231

Agreed.

As for:

>>1541224

>my dislike of them is based more on what they make idiots think

>when idiots judge me or think they know me because of what they think they've learned about gay people through prides

>At this point, probably because I'm lucky to live in an accepting area, my problem isn't...

Motherfucker, I grew up in the deep motherfuckin' South. What the hell are you even talking about? Your entire complaint seems incredibly abstract and sort of ridiculous. You're blaming the fact that there are homophobes on gay people and "what they make idiots think" and then transferring your unhappiness about people's assumptions about you onto the gay people rather than the homophobes. That makes no sense. If there are homophobes in your life, then either confront them and discuss it, or cut them out of it, but blaming the fact that they exist on pride parades is beyond stupid.

I'm sick and tired of hearing homophobes who don't want to admit that they're homophobes try to justify their "distaste" by talking about ridiculous shit they've supposedly seen at pride parades.

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:01:28 2011 No.1541246

>>1541241

I'll be the first to admit I'm a hypocrite, but I think you're mischaracterizing my argument a bit. My problem isn't homophobes, it's people who claim to be accepting but still have narrow stereotypes of what a gay person is supposed to be as a result of some gay people perpetuating those stereotypes.

>>	Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 14:01:28 2011 No.1541248 >>1541240 Oh shut the fuck up. All you're saying is even though both you fucks had the same experience, your experience is more relevant.

>>	Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ Thu Feb 10 14:05:28 2011 No.1541253 >ctrl-f >deepandedgy >no results found >deep and edgy >no results found >deep&edgy >no results found >derp&faggy >no results found nice one guys

Isabelle Huppert "Joyless Twat" !!lYVA4YXz75M Thu Feb 10 14:06:28 2011 No.1541256

>>1541246

Some gay people perpetuate those stereotypes because they fit into those stereotypes. Some do not. If you don't (we're talking in such vague terms, I'll assume that you're talking about real flamers?), and yet you find yourself in a position where people are making all kinds of assumptions about you, then correct them either explicitly or implicitly through your actions and behavior.

For the record, I'm not even making any kind of justification or statement about gay people who are stereotypical (or, as I've found in my experience, model themselves after stereotypes because they think that's what they're supposed to be). I'm merely pointing out that I think you're putting the primary blame on the wrong crowd. Usually people on the other side of the fence who want to sustain those stereotypes will do so whether their experiences confirm or falsify their views.

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:08:28 2011 No.1541262

>>1541248
Naw man, that is not what I'm saying. If you think it's got the same dynamic as a reclaim the night march (and I've met people who do), I disagree. Very much disagree.

I'm also under no illusion that anything works universally well, nor that there are things which should not be criticized, nor that we say what we mean when talking about anything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:10:28 2011 No.1541264 >>1541256 Yeah, I know I'm putting the blame on the wrong people, but this is a gay thread so while here I direct my criticism at the audience available, not at the homophobes and generalizers who aren't around.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:14:28 2011 No.1541269 >>1541149 So, as the apostle Peter denied he was a Jesusfag, do you hide your gay life and project only a straight lifestyle?

>>	Isabelle Huppert "Joyless Twat" !!lYVA4YXz75M Thu Feb 10 14:15:28 2011 No.1541271 >>1541264 Fair enough, I guess. As a member of audience for your complaint, though, my response doesn't really change.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:17:28 2011 No.1541277 >>1541271 I don't particularly disagree with any of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:18:28 2011 No.1541280 >>1541269 >straight >gay False dichotomy.

>>	Isabelle Huppert "Joyless Twat" !!lYVA4YXz75M Thu Feb 10 14:18:28 2011 No.1541281 File: 10 KB, 500x281, h1 (44).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1541277 I think this is the first time a discussion has concluded amicably on /lit/ in several weeks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:22:28 2011 No.1541287 >>1541281 Oh, I see the problem. FUCK YOU I AM THE BEST YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'AM SAYING THOUGH WE ARE EITHER SAYING THE SAME THING OR NOT IN DISAGREEMENT YOU DOUBLE FAGGOT NIGGER FAGBOT

>>	Isabelle Huppert "Joyless Twat" !!lYVA4YXz75M Thu Feb 10 14:23:28 2011 No.1541290 >>1541287 YOU FUCKING LITTLE SHIT COCKSUCKER I WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE WHEREVER YOU ARE SLEEPING AND CUT YOUR THROAT

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:23:28 2011 No.1541293 >>1541287 Hey, don't ruin it for me. I'm amicable as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:24:28 2011 No.1541295 >>1540281 tidy lad

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 14:25:28 2011 No.1541298 >>1541293 >>1541290 Ahh, 4chan... Glad to see there are some good posters on /lit/.

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 15:06:28 2011 No.1541356
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>Shit, man
>I call bullshit
>have to break some of this shit down
>You shouldn't shit on people
>Try not to get up in arms about shit
>shit they've supposedly seen at pride parades
>SHIT COCKSUCKER

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 15:07:28 2011 No.1541360 This does not belong on lit, seriously, delete this thread now.

>>	Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ Thu Feb 10 15:12:28 2011 No.1541372 hahaha yeah it's all fun and games til someone gets called a joyless twat

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 16:33:28 2011 No.1541607

>>1541178

>do you mean people born transgendered, people who wish to physically change themselves

I mean men who mutilate their penis into a fake vagina or women who have a fake non functional penis sown on to their body.

A fake vagina doesn't allow you to birth children and a fake penis doesn't allow you to birth children, and thinking that mutilating your body with surgery makes you the opposite sex means that there is something really wrong with you. Like, really really wrong with you.

And before you retort with something about sterile men and women, they were still born with all their reproductive parts, so yes, they are still a man or woman even though they can't have or make babies

This "you have to accept people the way you are" liberal bullshit is out of control. No, no you don't have to. Society makes the rules and you conform to it, you don't conform society to your own rules. If you think cutting off your penis is normal, then its time for you to leave this society and form a new one.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 16:36:28 2011 No.1541614 >>1541607 How about we stop caring about the false male vs female duality, and just let people play with their bodies?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 16:40:28 2011 No.1541626 >>1541614 why? so where does it end then?

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 16:43:28 2011 No.1541636

>>1541626
Why should it end? Why shouldn't people be allowed to change their bodies within the allowable limits of medical science?

Just to say, I would like to believe that in a perfect world we wouldn't feel like we had to have plastic surgery, and that we could come to accept ourselves for who we are, but I also have to accept that maybe I don't entirely understand why people want to change their bodies.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 16:46:28 2011 No.1541646 >>1541636 just because you can do something, doesn't really mean you should

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 16:47:28 2011 No.1541648

I'm not gay, just a girl who sort of wants to be a drag queen. Not sure what that actually makes me, now that I think about it. I blame RuPaul's Drag Race! I'm addicted to that damn show, although I don't like any of this year's girls as much as I liked Nina Flowers, Shannel, Morgan McMichaels, Raven and Juju :)

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 16:48:28 2011 No.1541652 >>1541646 It also doesn't mean you shouldn't.

Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 16:54:28 2011 No.1541673
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>>1541607
>A fake vagina doesn't allow you to birth children and a fake penis doesn't allow you to birth children
>segue: because dicks birth children, amiright?
That's a pretty stupid argument, and you know it. My gender identity isn't based on my ability to produce children.

>...and thinking that mutilating your body with surgery makes you the opposite sex means that there is something really wrong with you. Like, really really wrong with you.
I think that transexual people think they were the opposite sex before surgery, and the surgery is just to make their bodies reflect reality.

>And before you retort with something about sterile men and women, they were still born with all their reproductive parts, so yes, they are still a man or woman even though they can't have or make babies
Thanks for arguing for me! Anyway, that's a pretty solid argument you wrote for me, and saying NUH-UH DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAID SO isn't much of a counterargument. Stop getting mad about how other people live their lives. It doesn't affect you. These people are no more mentally ill (or wrong, as you put it) than anyone who thinks that gender identity is important. If anything, I'd attack transgendered people for overemphasizing gender roles, which are pretty antiquated in the year 2k11.

>This "you have to accept people the way you are" liberal bullshit is out of control. No, no you don't have to. Society makes the rules and you conform to it, you don't conform society to your own rules. If you think cutting off your penis is normal, then its time for you to leave this society and form a new one.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the conditions that surround him... The unreasonable man adapts surrounding conditions to himself... All progress depends on the unreasonable man."

>>	Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ Thu Feb 10 16:58:28 2011 No.1541687 File: 1.83 MB, 200x200, mindblown.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mutilating your body with surgery >surgery >mutilating your body >surgery >mutilating

>>	Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 17:00:28 2011 No.1541694 >>1541687 I was gonna say that, but there's more wrong with the argument than word usage.

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:06:28 2011 No.1541703 >>1541694 >>1541694 >"The reasonable man adapts himself to the conditions that surround him... The unreasonable man adapts surrounding conditions to himself... All progress depends on the unreasonable man." who said that?

Truman Capote !kwxizAOFlk Thu Feb 10 17:09:28 2011 No.1541708
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What a hard life it must be to be trapped in the body of the opposite sex.

There is transexual person in my class who claims to have the mind of boy, yet she has the body of a girl. She's exceedingly obnoxious and can tell you at great length of how strange her daily life is because of her aspergers and her commitment to the marxist movement in Glasgow.

Maybe she has münchausen syndrome or something, I don't know.

I feel bad for her anyway. There's a lot of people like this in Glasgow.

>>	Tom Harper Thu Feb 10 17:11:28 2011 No.1541713 File: 111 KB, 282x304, DavidMitchell29.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1541708 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNLfr1EP08

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:15:28 2011 No.1541724

>>1541708
I don't agree with this "mind of one sex in the body of another", since I have never heard a decent justification of how sex relates to how someone thinks.
>>1541687
Maybe you should write a paper "Josef Mengele: Surgery vs Mutilation vs False Dichotomy".

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:16:28 2011 No.1541725 >>1541708 You should give her a Glasgow Kiss.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:18:28 2011 No.1541732 Sex does not relate to how someone thinks. Gender does. If a person identifies as the opposite gender from their sex, they feel like they're in the wrong body.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:19:28 2011 No.1541734 >>1541732 So your argument is that a feminine man must under all circumstances feel like they are in the wrong body?

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:20:28 2011 No.1541738 I don't think sex should matter this much...

>>	Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 17:21:28 2011 No.1541742 >>1541703 shaw, &lrn2google

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:22:28 2011 No.1541745 >>1541742 oh well i hate shaw so it doesn't matter

Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ!!MIZaZ3gTWFo Thu Feb 10 17:25:28 2011 No.1541750

>>1541694
>there's more wrong with the argument than word usage.
Like what? You don't like the guy's tone? what's in the name field? the date?

idk brah seems like the only thing you could possibly judge someone's argument on is their word use :z

>>	Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 17:25:28 2011 No.1541752 >>1541745 I only tried to get excited about him for his veganism.

>>	Truman Capote !kwxizAOFlk Thu Feb 10 17:26:28 2011 No.1541758 File: 231 KB, 550x426, Screen shot 2011-02-10 at 22.25.20.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1541713 Don't geez any yer Don't geez any yer Don't geez any yer SHITE I had yer maw last night

Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 17:27:28 2011 No.1541760

>>1541750
Maybe I wasn't clear.

That he used the word 'mutilated' rather than 'change' or 'alter' was (likely) used to imply that surgically altering your genitals is immoral or 'wrong'. Although I don't appreciate this implication, I was more concerned with the content of the argument, which stated that gender is attached to one's ability to make babies.

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:28:28 2011 No.1541763

Queers are sycophantic hedonists who need to constantly reinforce and justify their proclivities with intellectual doublespeak and pathetically unfunny attempts at humorous evasion. None of which changes the fact that their homosexuality is simply irrational, unnatural and laughably childish. A man is not born wanting a cock in his rearend and anyone who thinks so is a fool. Homosexuality is a disorder of the mind that reinforces and propogates itself through the forced sexualization of minors and brainwashing. Have fun hating your own pointless existence queers. I mean having fun's the only thing you really care about right?

>>	Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 17:30:28 2011 No.1541771 >>1541763 Sometimes the trolls are so half-assed that you can just glance at their post and know they're trolling.

Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ!!MIZaZ3gTWFo Thu Feb 10 17:31:28 2011 No.1541775

>>1541760
>
That he used the word 'mutilated' rather than 'change' or 'alter' was (likely) used to imply that surgically altering your genitals is immoral or 'wrong'. Although I don't appreciate this implication, I was more concerned with the content of the argument, which stated that gender is attached to one's ability to make babies.
and that wouldn't be word use... how?

disregard, i am just fooling around

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:32:28 2011 No.1541776 File: 421 KB, 750x972, download (16).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1541763 I'll just leave this here...

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:33:28 2011 No.1541783 >>1541775 Oh, you crazy fun guy you...

>>	Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 17:33:28 2011 No.1541785 File: 73 KB, 755x1255, What Trolls Want You To Think.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1541775

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:34:28 2011 No.1541789 >>1541752 I actually liked pygmalion but i can't betray oscar

>>	Tofu !s7vSX9lhAI Thu Feb 10 17:35:28 2011 No.1541793 >>1541789 Anything by Mr. Wilde > Pygmalion

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:36:28 2011 No.1541799 >>1541789 I liked Shaw's Pygmalion. A clever reimagining of an old classic.

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:36:39 2011 No.1541796 >>1541793 yeah pretty much

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:38:28 2011 No.1541803 >>1541793 which of oscar's works did you especially enjoy? didn't you love Lord Arthur? oh and have you read his poems in prose? because i need someone to talk to about those

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:39:28 2011 No.1541810 >>1541799 >>1541799 it was kind of great but i can't admit loving it without feeling guilty

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:40:28 2011 No.1541811 File: 374 KB, 690x690, Scene-wolf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:40:28 2011 No.1541812

>>1541776
Have fun thinking you're normal. Fact is you just aren't. There can be no possible evolutionary benefit of homosexuality. Any species would simply die out due to lack of reproduction. It's pretty simple children; an older and stronger ape forces himself upon another male who in turn replicates the behavior. This does not mean it's in accordance with the natural order of that species. Rape begets rape.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:41:28 2011 No.1541819 >>1541810 I did some nice physical theatre stuff with Pygmalion, and that was a lot of fun. Even if it did border on wankery.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:43:28 2011 No.1541828 >>1541812 There must be some evolutionary benefit, because it exists and has therefore been evolved.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:43:28 2011 No.1541832 >>1541812 If you're right, then a few generations of unstigmatized gay marriage and equal rights ought to stop all of those closeted gay men from marrying women and weed us out of the gene pool completely.

Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:44:28 2011 No.1541835

>>1541812
so tell me, how does one become "abnormal"

you must know since you are god

>>1541811
yeah

every single person who ever went dick to dick is just rebelling

even those who are ousted in scandal and especially those who are stoned to death and executed

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:45:28 2011 No.1541840 >>1541832 I like your thinking. Ever thought about politics?

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:46:28 2011 No.1541851 >>1541819 don't underestimate wanking oh and have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxXW6tfl2Y0

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:48:28 2011 No.1541856 >>1541840 Every day.

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:49:28 2011 No.1541861

>>1541828
It exists because men are pathetic beasts who want to stick their dick in anything moist. This does not mean it's natural. An anus is a one-way street. It is designed to EXPELL waste. Any sexual gratification derived from its penetration is learned behavior, learned pleasure, this is not natural. There's a reason we feel pain, it's our bodies telling us to stop.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:51:28 2011 No.1541867 >>1541861 Now I'm pretty sure you're trolling, but how then do you explain why a woman's anus holds no appeal for me, or why there are men who are receptive partners (bottoms) in gay sex?

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 17:52:28 2011 No.1541869 >>1541861 >implying all gay sex is anal >implying straight couples don't have anal sex

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:52:28 2011 No.1541870 >>1541861 A penis is designed to expel waste too, bro. Doesn't mean it can't be involved in fucking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:53:28 2011 No.1541873 guyz, a lot of the anti-trans stuff is probably real, but nobody on 4chan in 2011 actually believes that homer sexuals are sinners in the hands of an angry god or just trying to shock their parents. as they say on usenet in 1997, DNFTT

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:56:28 2011 No.1541883

>>1541867
There are men who are receptive partners in straight sex, too! And you have to really be following your heart to get pegged, there are no coercive elements in pop culture directing men that way unless they are raised with no other reading material than Savage Love

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:58:28 2011 No.1541887 >>1541851 There is only one thing worse than wanking, and that is not wanking.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 17:59:28 2011 No.1541892 >>1541861 What about hetero blowjobs? Mouth wasn't designed for dick either.

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:00:28 2011 No.1541896

>>1541867
Bottoms get abused at a young age; are naturally ashamed and hide this but the experience imprints itself upon their psyche and they learn to derive pleasure from being sodomized. Btw I'm not trolling at all and am being as sincere as possible. I too was abused and questioned my sexuality but realized a long time ago that I simply have never felt any semblance of sexual attraction towards another man. It's all pheromones ya know? Why do you think so many queers wear cologne and perfumes? It's because they want to smell like women and attract men. They want to mask, cover up and escape from the reality of what they are.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:01:28 2011 No.1541902 >>1541896 I'm a bottom. I was never abused. Your experience is not typical.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:02:28 2011 No.1541903 >>1541873 Homosexuality is a mental illness, so God is okay with them; they can't help having fucked up brains.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:03:28 2011 No.1541909 HOMOSEX IS AN OUTWARD DESIRE TO COMPLE THE SPIRIT AND THE OO TO FOLLOW THROUGH INTO THE MOO MOO MOO HERD HERDING ALL THE BLUE BALLED PERLING GHOSTS of lovers sons and fatehrs IN THE WORST POSSIBELL SENSE

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:05:28 2011 No.1541915 >>1541909 What the fuck are you talking about?

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 18:05:28 2011 No.1541916 >>1541887 lol i'm glad i found you itt

>>	Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ Thu Feb 10 18:07:28 2011 No.1541922 >>1541785 no srsly tofu all arguments ever are is "word use", I just don't want to get into it for the 200th time here

Truman Capote !kwxizAOFlk Thu Feb 10 18:09:28 2011 No.1541927

>>1541896

That's not true.

Sexual abuse twists your mind, and the sexual stimulation you feel when engaging later in the same type of sexual act is more linked to the abuse itself.

It is not a genuine sexuality.

True homosexuality is a natural, genetic disposition. They are repulsed by the idea of sex with a woman as a straight man might be with the idea of sex with another man.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:11:28 2011 No.1541933 >>1541915 poofs don't understand . . .

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:13:28 2011 No.1541945 >>1541896 There is only one thing worse than being gay, and that's being a straight guy who let himself be sodomized. You should be ashamed to consider yourself a man.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:14:28 2011 No.1541952 >>1541927 Keep telling yourself that somehow a Man can be born without the instinctual urge to propagate his genes, that really makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:15:28 2011 No.1541954 >>1541922 Arguments aren't just word use. Don't confuse your professor's argument for how come their subject is relevant and they should get money with reality.

>>	Truman Capote !kwxizAOFlk Thu Feb 10 18:16:28 2011 No.1541960 >>1541952 Keep telling yourself genetic mutation doesn't occur during the emulation of the genomes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:16:28 2011 No.1541961 >>1541952 Propagating genes doesn't come into it, particularly now that surrogacy is fairly common. It's about who I'm attracted to and love and would want to raise children with, not a base urge to spread my seed.

Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:18:28 2011 No.1541967

It is kinda funny to think that I spent the first couple decades of my life mildly tormented over my sexuality and thinking that I was either delusional or a freak aberration in being attracted to men and women and whatever. Sometimes I try to think what other things I might actually be the only sane person in a mad world about and all I can come up with is that Speed Racer was a really fun and legitimately touching movie

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:18:28 2011 No.1541968 >>1541945 Eat a dick. I was a child and was forced into an alcoholic stupor. I didn't 'let' it happen.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:21:28 2011 No.1541982 File: 79 KB, 508x604, 1293233640232.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1541968 Its funny. Because no matter what you say, you were sodomized and I wasn't. ...butthurt much?

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Feb 10 18:23:28 2011 No.1541991 File: 10 KB, 189x267, RLG.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1541982 >you will never be a truly respected human being tragedy makes a man timeless

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:25:28 2011 No.1541994 >>1541982 Not in the least my friend. I've been at peace with my life for a long time now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:26:28 2011 No.1541996 >>1541982 I think you're lying, I think you take so many dicks that you've lost count. I think your asshole is like a meaty wind sock at this point.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 10 18:52:28 2011 No.1542052 bamp

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