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>Popular morality also separates strength from expressions of strength, as if there were a neutral substratum behind the strong man, which was free to express strength or not to do so.
>There is no such substratum; there is no “being” behind doing, effecting, becoming; “the doer” is merely a fiction added to the deed—the deed is everything.
>Oh, those Greeks! They knew how to live. What is required for that is to stop courageously at the surface, the fold, the skin, to adore appearance, to believe in forms, tones, words, in the whole Olympus of appearance. Those Greeks were superficial - out of profundity.
This aspect of his philosophy demands more attention. How is one supposed to live this? "The deed is everything." Is he just encouraging us to men of action or is the message more complex than that simple platitude?

>> No.15402693
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I forgot to put him in the title. The quotes are from Genealogy of Morals and Nietzsche Contra Wagner.

>> No.15402799

>>15402682
What a load of nonsense.

>> No.15403007

>>15402682
It's platitude of the highest order. It's an thinking of the most powerful minds. Nietzsche was a very, very prolific writer and author in general. Whatever he said and did in his time was dedicated to accomplishing one's will. It's to be taken in the most litteral sense.

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>>15403007
Taking it so simply introduces problems, though. The strong should not express their strength at all times. In battle you can hide your strength and lure your enemy into a trap. Or, a spy can pretend to be a humble peasant while actually being a dangerous assassin. Or perhaps you mean you're supposed to avoid all subterfuge and intrigue and just rely on strength, strength, and more strength and just keep yelling and charging nonstop?

>> No.15403881

If I remember correctly, this particular passage is talking about how ressentiment manifests itself in popular morality.

Weak men, according to Nietzsche, will convince themselves they are strong but choose not to express that strength. E.g. you get the Christian moral idea that forgiveness is divine. Actually, the man of ressentiment is forced to believe that forgiveness is divine, because he has no other choice but to forgive. Authentic revenge/justice is impossible for him.

>> No.15404568

>>15402682
seems like hyper-focus on aesthetics as a means and end. not unlike a beautiful painting. not separating that from the 'real' underlying being that actions are conceived relative of. the actions themselves are substantial not use-determined creations of a fixed core. action is change, purpose, and beauty on its own without needing a separate creator, ender, and evaluator of worth or purpose.

or it could just be that dividing actor and action isn't all that accurate and readily leads to a strict, deluding division. where you are too inclined to think about something in separate terms of action and actor without due crossover/equality.

idk bro i just made that up

>> No.15406349

>>15404568
based