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1537779 No.1537779 [Reply] [Original]

Hey /lit/,

Just finished reading Fight Club. Excellent book, and as usual, better than the film adaptation.

>Jack met Tyler on a beach, not on an airplane
>Equal parts cat litter/gasoline = bomb
>Killed his boss
>etc.

So, I really want to read more from Mr. Palahniuk. What should I read next? Choke looks really good.

Thoughts?

>> No.1537785

Invisible Monsters is good. Choke was fun.

The problem with his books is that the main character is always a mix between Tyler Durden and The Narrator. I stopped reading his stuff once I realized he was writing the same book over and over.

>> No.1537786

Invisible Monsters

Choke is a good choice too

>> No.1537790

I seriously fucking hope you're a troll.

>> No.1537794

>>1537790

Why? cos someone read a book and then came to /lit/ to discuss it?

>> No.1537798

Choke < Invisible Monsters

>> No.1537805

>>1537794
No, because if OP isn't a troll, then OP is a hipster faggot. Chuck P fucking sucks, and that movie was better than the book. It doesn't happen often, but it happened in that case.

>> No.1537812

>>1537805

>movie was better than the book

Who's the hipster faggot here?

>> No.1537821

I read this a month ago after putting it aside for ages and, well, the movie is better. I guess it's easy to say that though considering how big that movie is now and also that this was his first novel. I just didn't like his style. I'll check out another book of his though, it wasn't awful.

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>>1537805
>>1537805

>> No.1537826
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>>1537805

>> No.1537828

I have yet to read a Palahniuk that I didn't like on some level. He's amazing.

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>>1537805
>>1537805

>hipster faggot.
hipster?
you use that word, but i'm not quite sure you know what it means.
will you define it for me?

>> No.1537831

>>1537812
You are. Always saying the book is better than the movie even when it's clearly not is a hipster trait. Hipsters try to look original and smart even though they are actually boring and stupid. That's why hipsters like Chuck P so much. His books are all the same: cliche characters, watered-down psychology, unnecessary profanity, and shitty, unoriginal writing. Hipsters read Chuck P so they can look smart without having to read anything challenging.

>> No.1537835

just to clear this up, i think i may be one of the few people in this thread who actually know what a hipster is.
>hipsters read Chuck P.

lolololololololololol
no.

>> No.1537836

>>1537821
I like the movie better, too. It does follow the book closely, and the movie ends better, imho.

Palahniuk still rocks, tho.

>> No.1537839

>better than the film adaptation.
lolno

>> No.1537840

>>1537831

1. I'm not OP

2. >watered-down psychology
>Fight Club
Just... leave.

>> No.1537843

>>1537785
>>1537779
>>1537786
>Chuckles Pallynuck
>good
lol'd

>>1537835
Thank you. I'm tired of these faggots misusing simple terms.
>>1537835

>> No.1537847

Most here must be Edward Norton fags.
Movie was good, but it wasn't better than the book. The book did a much better job of portraying the narrator's fragile mental state resulting from his insomnia.

>> No.1537851

>>1537847
pro-tip: tyler durden fags are being criticized by the book

>> No.1537852

>>1537836

I agree about the movie. When I read the book I noticed lines from the film, but they were in different places or slightly different. It's like the movie cleaned it all up. The book has great ideas and some awesome one liners, but I don't think they were delivered as well as they could be, as well as in the movie.

I wouldn't rave about Chuck based on Fight Club. I will read more though because it has a lot of things I like in it.

>> No.1537858

Chuck is awful. But ironically, his list of influences is pretty good. If you read Chuck's books and would like to start reading good books instead, try Denis Johnson, for example. Chuck likes him a lot, but unlike Chuck, Denis Johnson is what we refer to as a "writer" of fiction.

>> No.1537863

>>1537851

And therein lyes the fundamental irony of liking the movie more than the book. In the book it talks about blowing up power plants and televisions to get people to read.

>> No.1537870

Hey what's the one where there's this anti hero and he does really bizarre and shocking things? It's that one that's really hip and so bleeding edge modern. It has a zany premise too if that helps.

>> No.1537875

Fight Club is the very definition of hipster backlash

>> No.1537876

>>1537863
And therein we find the irony of liking the book at all: the book sucks. The book tries to promote reading, but it sucks and a better movie was made from it.

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< /thread

>> No.1537884

>>1537870
Notes From Underground? Oh wait, that was written about 100 years before Chuck P was born. That's the best thing about Chuck P. His originality.

>> No.1537885

>>1537876
>>1537876

>troll detected


>troll detected

>> No.1537888

>>1537884
>>1537884

there are only 7 stories ever told.

>> No.1537890

>>1537884
I like the massive amount of variation between his works, but yeah yours is good too.
>>1537885
The movie really was better, because at least then you get Ed's pretty face and H.B. Carter

>> No.1537891

>>1537858

Denis Johnson? Whose unabashedly influenced by Dr. Seuss.

>mfw.jpg

>> No.1537892

>>1537888
That might be true. But good writers tell them differently.

>> No.1537900

>>1537890

>Edward Norton fag

The greatest hypocrisy ever was Fight Club being turned into a movie starring Brad Pitt.

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>>1537900
>mfw you don't like Ed.

>> No.1537910

I really enjoyed Chuck P's books. However, I only starting reading them after I had seen Fight Club, so every narrator had Edward Norton's monotone Fight Club voice. It fit surprisingly well for most of the books. Only in some of his more recent books does Chuck start to deviate from his tried and true formula. Namely Rant and Pigmy. I would suggest Lullaby after Fight Club. Survivor is another one of my favorites.

>> No.1537915

>>1537907

American History X Ed. > Fight Club Ed.

>> No.1537917

>>1537900
As if Chuckie didn't jack off to the film numerous times.

>> No.1537923

>>1537917

Oh I'm sure he did, all the way to the bank.
Probably jizzes every time he withdraws from an ATM.

>> No.1537925

>>1537915
I wanna tell you about how when I had hair, people would literally stop me on the street to tell me I looked like him, but then when I started balding and shaved my head, I only ever hear Billy Corgan. Thinkin' about gettin' a big ol swastika tatted on my pex.

>> No.1537930

Read Survivor. It's terrific.

I kind of want a movie made out of it, but I'm afraid they'll butcher it.

>> No.1537935

>>1537930

They WERE going to make a movie of it, but then all that 9/11 crap stopped it dead. Who knows if we'll ever get one now. Thanks Osama.

>> No.1537938

>>1537847

This.

For those that can get past Brad Pitt's abs, the book is better at defining a crazy person dealing with a dissociative identity crisis

>> No.1537946

>>1537930
Hated Survivor, that was probably the only Palahniuk book I couldn't stand.

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1537960

just to clear this up.
the reason they chose Brad Pitt was because he had a great physique, he looked like the man of every woman's dreams and if you actually watch the movie you see that as it progresses Brad Pitt becomes more muscular and aesthetically pleasing, whereas Edward Norton actually starved himself and he loses weight and looks more sickly and disgusting.

>> No.1537965

>>1537960
That's too bad because I thought Norton looked more attractive throughout the entire film. Even the bleeding and bruised bits.

>> No.1537968

>>1537965
>>1537960

Fags. Fags everywhere.

>> No.1537970

>>1537930

hey, in the last word of the first line you made the final three letters "fic" when they were supposed to be "ble". You're welcome.

>> No.1537972

>>1537968
Yeah, that's right.
I'm a BOY.
and I'm GAYYY.
Don't you all hit on me at once!

>> No.1537978

>>1537968
>>1537968

you seem to be implying i'm gay for appreciating what a good body looks like?
i think you shy away from appreciating the beauty of a male physique because deep down you have repressed sexual urges.

where did daddy touch you?

>> No.1537979

>>1537972

We knew that already. You like Fight Club.

>> No.1537982

>>1537978

Great, so all gays are gay 'cause they were molested by their fathers. Thought so.

>> No.1538023

bumping this thread for hipster lulz

>> No.1538049

>>1537982
I think the anon was implying that the person he was responding to was sexually confused as opposed to implying all gay men are gay due to issues with their fathers. But yeah, the comment was still inappropriate. But this is 4chan, after all.

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>>1537863

haha. /b/ meme very related

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>>1537805
>>1537821
>>1537839
>>1537876
>>1537890

>hurr-durr, the movie was better, because you get Brad, Ed and H.B. Carter

>> No.1538082

if chuck wrote all these books 60 years ago and then died, all you faggots would eat this shit up like donuts.

>> No.1538089

>>1538075
The implication was that the book is nothing special, so the simple addition of some pretty faces is more than enough to tip the balance in favor of the movie. Guess I shoulda found a way to use greentext.

>> No.1538107

>>1538089

>implying that the movie was shit

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>>1538107

>> No.1538149

>>1538112
Nice to share your family pictures with us, Virginia.
Which one of the balding faggots are you?

>> No.1538163

>>1538149

Jesus... And I bet you thought you were clever when you typed that.

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1538170

My God,

This is /lit/ not /tv/.

Your thoughts on the movie are irrelevant.

>> No.1538178

>>1538170

This is 4chan not a moderated message board.

Your thoughts on what belongs where are irrelevant.

>> No.1538187

>>1538178

You are just so fucking clever. I mean really, that was the most clever thing I have ever read here.

>> No.1538188

>>1538163
Jesus... A new tripfag appears on /lit/.

>> No.1538192

>>1538178

Hello there new Anonymous!

For future trolling reference, all the boards do have moderators.

>> No.1538191 [DELETED] 

>>1538188
You rang?

>> No.1538196

>>1538188
You rang?

>> No.1538198

>>1538192
Although it usually takes them two days to even register spamming

>> No.1538204

>>1537858

>Denis Johnson

Is one of the worst writers I've ever read - Nobody Move was so awful that it was like reading his fucking notebook. I met the guy at a festival last year, or the year before, can't remember, and he was really interesting and full of ideas, and I walked away thinking "why isn't that in any of your fucking books?"

I'd read Survivor or' Pygmy next, OP- they're two of my favourite books by Chuckles. He's not exactly Faulkner, but the hate he gets on /lit/ is way out of proportion.

Enjoy.

>> No.1538205

>>1538149
I haven't really decided which one is more "me" yet. I've been considering the question for years.

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Rant
fucking Rant

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>>1538226

>> No.1538262

>>1538163
Should I know what that picture represent? Am I not hipster enough? I feel so ashamed right now.

>> No.1538268

Am I the only one that read or liked Lullaby?

I thought it was fucking amazing.

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>>1538238

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>>1538262
>prof. bros
>hipster

>> No.1538280

>>1538204
Denis Johnson fucking rules. Every single story in Jesus' Son is heartbreaking, beautiful, and badass, all at the same time.

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>>1538277
>implying I'm young
>implying I'm a hipster

>> No.1538291

>>1538285
I like your glasses Woof. :)

>> No.1538293

>>1538285
>young enough
>hipster plenty

>> No.1538370

>>1538291
Yeah whatever.
>>1538293
I'd love to hear the explanation of what it is that makes you think I'm a hipster.

>> No.1538407

>>1538204
Haven't read all of his stuff, but Jesus' Son and Angels are two of my favorite books.

Sometimes maybe he gets a little too minimalist, but I like him.

>> No.1538409

>>1538370
you wear cool glasses, obviously.

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>>1538370
protip grandma glasses. caring when people call you a hipster, etc.

>> No.1538631

>>1538624
The misuse of a simple term is a pet peeve of mine. I was disputing the misuse.

>> No.1538642

Guys: Fight Club is the greatest movie EVAR!!

OMGBRADPITTEDWARDNORTONOMG!!!!

>> No.1538831

Actually, I'm interested in this whole hipster thing - what actually IS a hipster? How old is the oldest you can be and still be one?

I'm scared that I may be one - it's like werewolves or whatever, and you've seen a scratch on your arm, and you won't know what's the deal till next full moon.

>> No.1538847

>>1538285

are you some kind of homosexual

I can tell from the homosexual glasses and the weak,submissive smile

>> No.1538851

>>1538831
you can be frighteningly, unbecomingly old and still be a hipster. are you by any chance in sonic youth?

>> No.1538857

>>1538285
Where do students with an interest in queer punk lit even get these frames in this day and age? Do you just have to wait for a mentally disabled person to die so their family donates the glasses they wore in 1983 to the Goodwill?

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>>1538851

No, but I am pretty into Sonic Youth. One of their CDs broke my laptop's CD drive though the other day when I was in England, so now I'm all BAAAW.

>> No.1538871

>>1537779

guts

>> No.1538876

>>1538870

You still use CDs?
>hipster
Have you ever heard of torrents?

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>>1538851

> sonic youth
> hipster

Back in my day, trolling meant something. But I don't have that macro, so have this one.

>> No.1538899

>>1538876

Like I say, I was in England - I was ripping CDs from a collection I store there, old stuff. But yeah, I still buy CDs- I like to flick through stuff in the shop and sometimes find random gems. It's the same as being in a bookshop and picking something up because you like the cover, and then the blurb and then you read it and all of a sudden you've got a new random favourite author and you read everything they've ever written in a couple of weeks.

So anyway, I still like CDs and books over torrents and kindles, and I like to think that the artist is getting at least some of the money I fork out to the friendly neighbourhood record shop/bookshop.

tl;dr Yeah man, innit.

>> No.1538902

>>1538899

If you already bought the CD, is there really any harm in "backing up" your purchase with a torrent?

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>>1538902

True enough, but why bother? I can live without the viruses and the arseache to be honest. It's just as quick to bang it in the CD player.

>> No.1539330

>>1538905
>>>ares
You're just using a terrible fucking torrent tracker.
Get one without all the bells and whistles.

>> No.1539362

>>1538847
Oddly enough, I'm not. Well I am in /lit/ but not IRL.
>>1538851
Yeah I'm Kim.
>>1538857
I dunno about people with those interests but I got these at some super secret place you'll never know about.

>> No.1539375

>>1538631
I'd argue that the term isn't fullt defined, and thus the onus is on you to tell us the "proper" definition so that we all can codify it.

>> No.1539379

>>1537831
people have been saying the book is better than the film since before Gone with the Wind. Apparently the entire first world has been nothing but hipsters since commercial film releases.

>> No.1539381

>>1539375
Ask me in 16 hours or so. I'd actually be more than happy to, but I'm far too tired to think at all right now.

>> No.1539480

>>1539381
Sounds like a cop out to me, boss.

Anyway, "Chuck P" is pretty balls and I've probably read more of him than I should, but he resonates with a lot of people (working class people, I guess), and I'm glad somebody out there is getting something out his work, even if I think it's garbage. I sort of fell off after Haunted for me, that felt like the furthest natural extension of his style.

Also, Fight Club (film) trumps Fight Club (book), as the movie is ob-fucking-jectively better.

>> No.1539487

>>1539480
>working class people, I guess

Further proof the middle class are culturally inept swines

>> No.1539491

>>1539480

Yeah I know it does, but I was being wicked sincere/honest. Do you know what time it is here? 10:30 am and I'm still awake. Still. Gimme sum slack pl0x.

>> No.1539505

>>1539491
I like your shirt.

>> No.1539525

I liked the movie and the book about the same honestly. Both are good for different reasons.

As far as his other books go, the only other I've read is Haunted and I really enjoyed that one. Kinda like a really fucked up Canterbury Tales. I oughta read more, which means my to read pile just got a little bigger...

Oh boy...

>> No.1539530

>>1539505
Are you the same person who was complimenting my glasses earlier? Do you have a "thing" for me? Look if you want a shot at taking this "to the next level" you gotta get a trip. Errbody's doing it.

>> No.1539541

>>1539530
Tight.

10:30 AM? The fuck are you right now?

>> No.1539545

>>1539541
I'm at home. WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU!? I'M WORRIED SICK.

>> No.1539564

>>1539545
Ah you got me!

Are you teaching English in Korea or something?

>> No.1539590

>>1539564

You're on the right track.
I'm teaching western culture in that pestilential swamp of deprivation which some so generously refer to as "China". Trying to bring some sort of appreciation of civilization to these fucking pagans.

>> No.1539786

Haunted was at once the most disturbing, and hilarious, book that I have ever read.
something about his writing style is just pure magic.

>> No.1539862

>>1539786
Something about your taste in "literature" is just pure shit.

>> No.1539869

>>1539786
>Hasn't read Chants de Maldoror

>> No.1539916

Lullaby is my favorite Chuck Books.... Haven't read haunted though - was part way through it, then lost the book :/

>> No.1539935

>>1539916
>Can't so much as keep track of a book
>Chuckles fan

Nothin' to see here, folks.

>> No.1539938

>>1539916
Yeah, Guts is about the best thing about it.

Lullaby was a premise, though.

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>>1537779
You should read survivor first...although choke is a pretty good read to. I also recommend lullaby.

>> No.1539985

I can't believe you people are discussing Palahniuk. This is repulsive.

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Woah. What's going on in here.

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CAN YOU HANDLE MY IRONICCCC SIDEBURNS.

>> No.1540041

Hey OP, just wanted to let you know, it's better to space out Chuck palahniuk books... I read choke fight club and survivor all in about a month and by the time I was done I was f-ing sick of him. His style doesn't change at all, and I suppose that is to be expected, but it can be mind numbing.

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CAN YOU HANDLE MY NEW BAND 'CREED'?

>> No.1540064

>>1537840
Not same guy, and I think both the book and the movie are great (the book was a bit better because it went more indepth but I really liked the cinematography in the movie, also) but there's no doubt at all that Fight Club has VERY watered down philosophy.

It's presented well in the movie and book, but it's not very indepth or intelligent. Both don't bother explaining the philosophy very much. It's really just basic anti-consumerism with a bit of nihilism, but the way they portray makes it seem like they're fighting the system for the sake of fighting the system, they don't bother going very far indepth.

The movie is known as the classic pseudo-intellectual movie teenagers love as a stepping stone for the real stuff.

Just saying.

>> No.1540077

>>1540033
lol'd

might be way over my unrequited love for D&E. Might be ready to move on.

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>>1540064

>> No.1540163

Read Rant. I will lend you my copy, OP.

You thought The Prestige randomly turns into a sci-fi story. Just you wait, sir.

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>I JUST READ THE CONTORTIONIST'S HANDBOOK BECAUSE CHUCK TWEETED THAT IT WAS THE BEST SHIT HE'S READ IN YEARS. I HAVE A BONER.

>> No.1540659

if you like Chuck you must read his Survivor

main character is the only surviving member of a suicidal cult, story begins with him in the cockpit of a plane as it's crashing, telling his story to the black box recorder

really interesting book to say the least

>> No.1540676

>>1540064
You do realize that philosophy can be used as a literary aesthetic, and is not only in books to "provoke thought and change the world"? Some people like philosophy just because it's cool.

>> No.1540679

I personally enjoyed Lullaby and Haunted, though Survivor stuck with me for some reason. I had about 3 months in college where I just inhaled Palahniuk.

I think he's all right.

>> No.1540692

>>1540404
I read that book when I was 15, before there was twitter, because a quote from Chuck Pahluniuk was on the cover.

I met the author at a reading too. He seems like a boring, boring man.