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[Anonymous No.15374408]

Good books on feminist theory?

[Anonymous No.15374415]

>>15374408
>0 results found
Try fewer search words.

[Anonymous No.15374418]

>>15374415
I'm asking for suggestions and discussion, not a google search

[Anonymous No.15374446]

is there any particular wave of feminism you’re looking for theory recommendations on? i generally recommend a bunch of radical feminist/women’s lib stuff but i have other books in mind too depending on what you’re trying to find here.

[Anonymous No.15374454]

>>15374446
Can you give me an overview / suggested reading for each wave / movement? I realize that's a lot of literature so if not I can decide to be more specific.

[Anonymous No.15374459]

>>15374408
Well, one that is particularly focused on a topic is that one in response to the history of the english working class.

[Anonymous No.15374462]

Have any older feminist thinkers had second thoughts about feminism? It seems like their movement got co-opted by corporate interests pretty quickly.

[Anonymous No.15374468]

>>15374454
first-wave/contemporaries

mary wollstonecraft – a vindication of the rights of woman
margaret fuller – woman in the nineteenth century
sojourner truth – ain’t i a woman?
emma goldman – anarchism and other essays
friedrich engels – the origin of the family, private property, and the state
emma goldman – the tragedy of woman’s emancipation
alexandra kollontai – sexual relations and the class struggle (i honestly suggest just grabbing kollontai’s selected works)

second-wave/contemporaries

betty friedan – the feminine mystique
evelyn reed – is biology woman’s destiny?
evelyn reed – a study of the feminine mystique
simone de beauvoir – the second sex
valerie solanas – scum manifesto (TAKE WITH BIG FAT GRAINS OF SALT)
robin morgan – sisterhood is powerful
germaine greer – the female eunuch
adrienne rich – blood, bread, and poetry
shulamith firestone – the dialectic of sex: the case for feminist revolution
kate millett – sexual politics
jo freeman – the tyranny of structurelessness
andrea dworkin – intercourse
andrea dworkin – pornography: men possessing women
catharine mackinnon – toward a feminist theory of the state
audre lorde – sister outsider

third-wave

patricia hill-collins – black feminist thought
judith butler – gender trouble
judith butler – bodies that matter: on the discursive limits of sex
bell hooks – feminism is for everybody: passionate politics
jaclyn friedman – yes means yes
bell hooks – ain’t i a woman?
bell hooks – feminist theory: from margin to center

[Anonymous No.15374469]

>>15374462
I wonder if earlier-wave feminists would identify more with terfs or trans-accepting feminists

[Anonymous No.15374475]

>>15374468
I get that 1st wave was about just being granted autonomy, and third wave is modern feminism, but could you give me a rundown on what the 2nd wave was about?

[Anonymous No.15374482]

>>15374454
adding on to my prev. post (>>15374468) it is probably evident that i am not super interested in third-wave feminism so of anyone has any better recommendations for myself or OP i’d appreciate it! first wave feminists were after the vote, second wave feminists wanted female liberation, and the goal of third wave feminism is sort of like...the concept of ‘intersectionality’ so like, big-tent leftism what-is-a-woman sex-positive stuff

[Anonymous No.15374500]

>>15374418
>Where should I ask about feminist literature?
>of course! 4chan!

[Anonymous No.15374507]

>>15374475
second wave feminism concerns itself mostly with sex-based oppression and women’s liberation—dworkin laid a lot of the groundwork for this movement and much of second wave praxis is like, rejecting makeup and other beauty rituals, embracing the natural state of a woman’s body, going after rapists, power structure analyses, calling for an end to prostitution and porn etc

the entelechy of much second wave work is female separatism

[Anonymous No.15374523]

>>15374507
>>15374482
>>15374468
Thanks for the input, I appreciate it

[Anonymous No.15374536]

>>15374507
>rejecting makeup and other beauty rituals,
lol good luck getting women to ever do that

[Anonymous No.15374541]

What exactly does the third wave want?

[Anonymous No.15374568]

>>15374541
no one knows

[Anonymous No.15374588]

>>15374541
unclear—the word intersectionality has lost its meaning. from what i can gather it is sex-positive and so they want destigmatization of female promiscuity, pro-trans and so they want...gender diversity, pro-anything-a-woman-chooses-to-do and so makeup etc is empowering? also a focus on being racially inclusive and so there are lots of self-flagellating white women writing I’m Sorry: The Tome. however, there’s likely more to it but i haven’t really dove further into it because i hate butler and the gang

[Anonymous No.15374895]

Feminist epistemology is pretty cool; I was blown away by Miranda Fricker's Epistemic Injustice. Sandra Harding may be worth checking out.

Alison Jaggar does marxist feminism

CJ Pascoe talks about toxic masculinity and compulsive homophobia

Gale Rubin does psychoanalytic feminism.

[Anonymous No.15374958]

>>15374588
The earliest split with the second wave was likely on racial grounds. bell hooks et al. pointed out that Friedan's "Problem with No Name" didn't reflect the lives of minority women and that, as a result, second wave feminism was largely a white affair. Third wave feminism was initially a response to that critique. Given how hard to read third wave feminism has become (are we seeing a fourth wave even? a fifth wave?), it would likely be better to speak of competing feminisms, each with its own aims.

[Anonymous No.15374970]

Second Sex by Beauvoir

[Anonymous No.15375011]

>>15374958
Yeah, black women said that white elite women, ivy league profs, shouldn't speak nor write on their behalf. Victim Olympics.

[Anonymous No.15375048]

>>15374958
yeah—thinking about beal’s double jeopardy: to be black and a woman and lorde’s sister outsider and hooks’ ain’t i a woman...the last 2 are circa 80s but beal was 1969, so there was certainly a current moving towards the third wave, although in many respects i see lorde as some sort of radfem second wavey womanist. i have trouble grouping friedan with other second wavers though considering how comparatively mild her views are and iirc many second wavers felt she left nonwhite women out of the narrative. however, a lot of them just didn’t like how she largely ignored lesbians in her activism and so that critique could have just been a little extra lip service. i think friedan could be credited with sparking the second wave movement but lesbian radicals brought teeth to it, you know?

[Anonymous No.15375066]

>>15374536
The reason why women won't do that is addressed at length in the books >>15374507
references

[Anonymous No.15375084]

>>15374541
Third wave feminism is a splintered and broken movement, co-opted by neoliberal interests. But I think >>15374958 is right in that it would be better to discuss "different" feminisms (such as marxist feminism v liberal feminism).Personally I would identify more with "radical emancipatory politics" than any feminist label because of all of the issues raised here, as well as the utter dearth of focus on men as victims in gender studies.

[Anonymous No.15375096]

>>15375084
good point wrt neolib cooptation and the third wave. a lot of the attempts to create a diverse environment led to competing interest groups and once broken, the makeup and media industries and whatever else crawled into the husk of the movement to peddle their wares and rebrand the status-quo as feminist

[Anonymous No.15375127]

>>15375096
Agreed. I think there is a need for intersectionality because white women feminism was classist and racist and not emancipatory at all, but I wish it were more bell hooks and less oh joy sex toy

[Anonymous No.15375132]

>>15374408
Lights, Camera, Sex! by Christy Canyon.

>Working in the golden era of porn, Christy Canyon was a legend of the ‘80s and ‘90s. After penning her own memoir, Canyon decided to own it, “so I self published,” she said. “I had such a huge fanbase, I knew I could make what the agents were offering me from my fan club alone. I had a snail mail fan club which was the in thing in the ‘90s.” In her book, she focuses on her childhood, coming from a decent family, and her experiences. “[The adult industry] was almost like an extended family because I wasn’t really talking to mine at the time,” said Canyon. “I was only 18 when I got into the business and really innocent. I really learned a lot from it and in some weird f**ked up way it really empowered me. For me it made me feel good, made me independent, made me stronger. I hope that people see that there are two sides to me and most porn stars. You can’t always be the porn person, you’d go crazy! Certain girls become their character and it’s not always a good thing.” Canyon’s character and personality are clearly depicted in her memoir. Today, Canyon co-hosts a show on Playboy radio.

[Anonymous No.15375135]

>>15375127
yeah, i’d like to see a women’s lib movement in which every person has a place but this erika-moen-tier-judith-butler-post-post-post-garbage-makeup-slutwalk thing isn’t cutting it. i’m really interested in second wave radfem/lesfem politics for how unyielding they were...if that spirit could inhabit an anti-capitalist feminist movement today a lot would get done, i think

[Anonymous No.15375136]

>>15374454
There is a youtube channel that goes into 3 different waves of feminism

[Anonymous No.15375145]

>>15375135
Sorry, this is unrelated, but what did you think about Butler? I read Gender Trouble recently and I couldn't get my head around a lot of it past the performativity stuff.

[Anonymous No.15375152]

>>15374408
the rational male

[Anonymous No.15375174]

>>15375145
i personally did not like it because she eschews the distinction between sex and gender and argues that the performance of gender doesn’t necessarily signify an identity—so she critiques identity politics and tries to dismantle the sex/gender dialectic by denying the existence of the subject. (she says the feminine is created through repetition) it has been a while since i’ve read it but iirc she attempts to systematically dismantle the Myth Of The Primordial Female in multiple cases or whatever but she’s subverting without cause nor sound argument. she tries to construct a feminism with neither subject nor object but because of this her work shoots itself in the foot. there’s no capacity for transformation (her ultimate goal) if we adopt this assumption. it’s just not good scholarship. i’m going back to my pdf to look at my notes in case i missed something.

[Anonymous No.15375181]

>>15375145
i think the statement that gender has performative aspects is fine—or even that it is the performance of sex, but to deny the existence of the subject/object is irresponsible

[Anonymous No.15375319]

>>15375174
Thank you dude, that really helped. Have a good day!

[Anonymous No.15375363]

>>15374469
Trans people included themselves in feminism while not being entitled to it; they are two different areas of thought. Trans ideaologies should mature more before they decide to intertwine with feminism

[Anonymous No.15375759]

Any recommendations for third wave feminist books?

[Anonymous No.15375774]

>>15375759
There are some here >>15374468 , what are you specifically looking for?

[Anonymous No.15376177]

I have never read a book written by a woman

[Anonymous No.15376381]

>>15374408
Any Germaine Greer

[Anonymous No.15376493]

>>15374469
Germaine Greer bullies trannies doesn’t she? I don’t think anyone with half a brain cares about trans garbage. It’ll go out of fashion in 10 years like flapper girls did. Trust me. Women’s rights is a more perennial question

[Anonymous No.15377807]

>>15374408
Sex and Character

[Anonymous No.15377897]

Just reminding you that waves are as arbitrary as ages. You can't argue whether 1990 cars are better than 1980 cars without stating which cars and which qualities are compared.

[Anonymous No.15378173]

>>15377897
Explain, anon

[Anonymous No.15379254]

>>15374541

the virgin turd wave feminist:

>all ideas parroted from twitter
>only hates daddy because she intuits he is right in hating her
>thinks sexual arguments boil down to acquiescing to her favorite twitter tranny
>speaks english like a second language
>terminal tribalism whereby she forgives her acquaintances' depravity merely because they are women keeps her in permanent anomie and despair for which she blames men
>pretends to be "libertine" because she trivialized her sexuality just to be edgy and knows there is no going back
>claims one of her random acts of adultery was "rape" to be cool
>actually enjoys being degraded by the patriarchy because she thinks she deserves it for failing to fight it
>thinks philosophy is a virus columbus gave to rosa parks
>is physically repulsive

The CHAD SECOND WAVE FEMINIST:

>understands how the sexes relate to theology
>her father has done everything for her, hates him on principle anyway
>hates trannies in a particularly feminine way that men are not privy to
>at least bilingual
>not afraid to tell housewives to go to hell i needed
>her every climax is a mandala of unrepeatable qualia
>almost killed by a man, has seen the face of yaldabaoth
>will die with her conviction
>observers the good in man in plato et al.
>actually looks like a woman

[Anonymous No.15379284]

>>15374408
Feminism is just female collective bargaining.

[Anonymous No.15379291]

>>15379254
>>speaks english like a second language
holy KEK

[Anonymous No.15379509]

>>15374408
Right-wing woman by Andrea Dworkin

[Anonymous No.15379708]

>>15375759
>>15374541

>>15374468 mentioned it in their list but bell hooks' feminism is for everybody is a good primer of what modern feminism is about (as far as one can sum up the movement in a single short book, given that there are multiple very different and opposing currents within the movement, as >>15374958 mentioned) - it's explicitly written as a short accessible introduction, and draws heavily from her most influential work, Feminist Theory: From Margin to Center. So if you only want to read a single book on the topic, it's as good a place to start as any.

[Anonymous No.15379847]

>>15377807
You're so funny and smart anon! I wish i could be as based as you :)