/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15373073]

Which is the greatest art form - literature, visual art, or music?

[Anonymous No.15373079]

Video games

[Anonymous No.15373083]

Hentai

[Anonymous No.15373084]

>>15373079
+1

[Anonymous No.15373096]

>>15373073
Many people have historically agreed that poetry is the greatest art form. Even more people have historically agreed that it doesn't fucking matter.

[Anonymous No.15373098]

>>15373079
The most unappreciated but up and coming art form

[Anonymous No.15373107]

>>15373073

Music. But a more important question: what's the WORST art form?

[Anonymous No.15373111]

Video Games - Cinema - Music - Architecture - Literature - Painting/Photography - Sculpture. This is the objective ranking. Painting and Photography are pretty equal depending on the day one is better than the other.

[Anonymous No.15373118]

>>15373107
kant disagrees

[Anonymous No.15373121]

>>15373073
1. architecture
2. music
3. literature
4. sculpture
5. painting

[Anonymous No.15373122]

>He reads books
Bro youre just reading another guy's thoughts. You're letting him cuck your own brain you fucking retard. At least read comic books so you can read without reading the words, you fucking loser.

[Anonymous No.15373123]

>>15373096
Poetry is fucking shit

[Anonymous No.15373132]

>>15373107
>what's the WORST art form?
Dance or Theatre.

[Anonymous No.15373133]

>>15373123
Why?

[Anonymous No.15373134]

>>15373123
>he hasn’t read poetry

[Anonymous No.15373138]

>>15373096
which people you fraud? most of the great ancients and premodern would said it was music. and what elements of poetry-literature support your thesis that it's the single best medium? would you say that it's intrinsically so, or that this is a matter of the current balance?

vidya is shit but like anons say it has a lot of potential.

[Anonymous No.15373185]

>>15373133
>>15373134
The entire shtick is that some retard follows the formula to find some facebook meme tier meaning in it. It doesn't go any deeper than that. It's more like a theme park than a work of art to me.

[Anonymous No.15373213]

>>15373138
>video games
I’m sorry, but something that cannot be enjoyed in the same way by every person who experiences it cannot become a great art form. Video game plots are usually very contrived to keep the game moving along despite the huge amount of variables involved as a player progresses through the game. A video game almost always a battle between the developer’s narrative intentions and the player’s free will. You see this all the time with video games forcing you towards a certain plot point no matter what, or sacrificing a superior plot for an inferior one because the player was made a choice that compromised the quality of the video game’s narrative.

[Anonymous No.15373220]

>>15373138
Most people have historically said music was the worst. Read the defences.
>>15373185
Reductionist and moronic

[Anonymous No.15373238]

>>15373220
Do you have details on the defenses?

[Anonymous No.15373245]

>>15373079
I disagree there is only a handful of games that use the medium to deliver a unique experience i liked nier automata and mgs 2 but they're not art they're video games with cutscene any time something significant occurs its when the controller isn't in your hand. Games like silent hill 2 or journey or the first Deus Ex use the medium correctly.

>>15373096
Poetry like painting has been made redundant by altnative mediums. Music is far more technical than poetry is people like Cash, Dylan, Mark E Smith or even Morrissey are poets but use their skills to incorporate more elements in to their written pros.

Paintings, like architecture grant a window into the history of a piece yet does not carry a message but simply invoke a feeling which is a far more primative than literature or film. Film sucussfully incorporates elements of both far better than either do individual, namely Tarkosky who's long still shots not only invoke an immense amount of emotion but each film conveys a deep message.

Literature due to its seniority is probably the best art form and although replaced by television for normies is still amazing.

[Anonymous No.15373251]

>>15373220
>Most people have historically said music was the worst. Read the defences.
again, which fucking qualified people have said this, besides schop? not just some nobody anons. and who has said that poetry is the greatest? certainly wasnt goethe. youre talking out your ass you fucking pseud.

>>15373213
shit argument. thats something that can apply to any medium. people get widely different and contradicting responses to art, music, and lit, for sure. as evidenced by tons of crit for each.

[Anonymous No.15373257]

>>15373245
If this isn't bait

[Anonymous No.15373270]

>>15373257
its just boring. bait takes strong arguments but inverts them beyond tolerance.

[Anonymous No.15373282]

>>15373251
Shelley? Johnson? Sidney? Homer? Ovid? You are joking right?

[Anonymous No.15373285]

>>15373270
How is someone telling me Morrisey has made poetry redundant not bait

[Anonymous No.15373290]

>>15373251
>shit argument. thats something that can apply to any medium. people get widely different and contradicting responses to art, music, and lit, for sure. as evidenced by tons of crit for each.
Shit argument. A person’s emotional or intellectual response to an artwork is not the same as a person modifying the experience of the actual artwork itself, as in the case of video games.

[Anonymous No.15373300]

>>15373290
>He hasn't read any drama

[Anonymous No.15373309]

>>15373251
And dont even mention plato to me cause i know you're going to and i don't have the energy to explain how he didn't know what he was on about in that case

[Anonymous No.15373323]

>>15373309
you dont have the energy intelligence or knowledge to explain anything you fucking fraud of a pseud

[Anonymous No.15373329]

I think that Opera was a sort of composite art form, trying to get the best of drama AND music. And then cinema took that one step further - you get drama AND music AND painting/photography.

Video games are basically becoming interactive movies, so they're cinema PLUS user interaction. (Sort of like a pantomime is drama plus audience participation.) So they perhaps have the potential to be the best of all, but they definitely aren't there yet, because the stories and characters are all so infantile.

Occasionally, though, you get a really strong cathartic effect from the combination of completing a difficult part of a video game PLUS seeing the story advance in a nice cinematic way. This can be very satisfying. It suggests that a really great video game could be great art. I've experienced occasional flashes of that potential, but no more.

[Anonymous No.15373331]

>>15373300
I’ve read plenty of drama, and what does that in any way have to do with what I’m arguing?

[Anonymous No.15373333]

>>15373323
It's a 4chan thread mate. I replied here >>15373270

[Anonymous No.15373339]

>>15373245
>Poetry like painting has been made redundant by altnative mediums.
>Music is far more technical than poetry is people like Cash, Dylan, Mark E Smith or even Morrissey are poets but use their skills to incorporate more elements in to their written pros.
You should shut your whore mouth, you imbecile. Go back to whatever board you came from.

[Anonymous No.15373340]

>>15373331
>he hasn't understood any drama

[Anonymous No.15373345]

>>15373333
better people than you contribute constantly knowing its "just 4chan". youre just a coward.

[Anonymous No.15373354]

>>15373329
Have you tried VR? That's what convinced me it has a very strong possibility of being the greatest art form. It takes what Cinema tries to do but makes it so much more immersive

[Anonymous No.15373364]

>>15373329
>I think that Opera was a sort of composite art form, trying to get the best of drama AND music. And then cinema took that one step further - you get drama AND music AND painting/photography.
whats really a shame is that neither opera or film really rose above literature, even when they directly tapped into great literature, instead watering the content down for their pleasure obsessed dipshit audiences. and video games will probably end up the same.

[Anonymous No.15373365]

>>15373340
You’re a pseud.

[Anonymous No.15373369]

>>15373282
I replied here sorry.>>15373282
Did you actually just type coward?

[Anonymous No.15373375]

All of them.

[Anonymous No.15373376]

>>15373365
cheap insult and another indication that you're a cheap thinker

[Anonymous No.15373379]

>>15373365
Oh no im a psued! Whatever will i do?? Kys.

[Anonymous No.15373380]

>>15373282
no lol im a schizo

[Anonymous No.15373386]

>>15373375
funny how the greatest of the GSKW proponents didnt bring his art up to even tier 2 shakespeare

[Anonymous No.15373387]

>>15373376
>>15373379
I reserve the right to give you a bullshit reply because you did the bullshit “>he hasn’t” thing twice first. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.15373395]

>>15373073
art doesn't exist, you're starting from false premises

[Anonymous No.15373398]

the best artform is the friends we made along the way

[Anonymous No.15373400]

>>15373387
only because you havent. its not his fault youre not familiar with an aspect that already reached critical consensus.

[Anonymous No.15373411]

>>15373354
>>15373364
I haven't tried VR but I think video games are suffering from the same problem as cinema - they're getting so technically complicated and so expensive it's pretty much impossible for an individual artist to impose his vision. They're all, necessarily, done by committee these days.

[Anonymous No.15373410]

>>15373400
sorry, not consensus, but a well reasoned orthodoxy. your arguments on the other hand are full of holes.

[Anonymous No.15373421]

>>15373121
Based

[Anonymous No.15373422]

>>15373098
the 80s just faxed, they want their opinion back

[Anonymous No.15373423]

>>15373387
Man you just said videogames are a superior art form and are trying to talk about rights shut the fuck up go play gaylo reach or something

[Anonymous No.15373424]

>>15373411
why do you act like the tech involved isnt getting cheaper by the decade

[Anonymous No.15373427]

>>15373410
You call me intellectually lazy and then decline to point out what these supposed “holes” in my argument are. Okay then. Please direct me to the orthodoxy on why video games are high art. From what I have read that debate is very far from settled.

[Anonymous No.15373433]

>>15373121
of the rankings itt so far this is the least bad, but it doesnt have supporting arguments, and might as well be dust in the wind

[Anonymous No.15373437]

>>15373387
You think there is free will in videogames your brain is doodoo

[Anonymous No.15373438]

>>15373427
i wasnt talking about vg as high art retard. god, you can barely even read to boot.

[Anonymous No.15373444]

>>15373424

The technology might be getting cheaper but the cost is still going up. I'm really old. I can remember back to the early days of PC games. I wrote some. Back then, you could get one guy in his bedroom and he could write a smash hit. These days there are massive production teams working for years. I don't know how much a GTA costs but it's insane. Same with film. Hollywood used to turn out far more films than it does now. In theory the technology is getting cheaper, but that's outweighed by the sophistication that audiences demand. (Also, in both cases, it's really about having the skilled people working on your project, whether it be actors / coders / whatever, and they are never ever cheap.)

[Anonymous No.15373453]

>>15373424
Not him but it's not about the cost of tech. It doesn't get easier to create a movie or video game you still need tens if not hundreds of people to make anything beyond basic stuff.

[Anonymous No.15373455]

>>15373073
Why divide the arts in such a way? Why by something as arbitrary as its medium? We can draw many a line between the three board categories you've listed. What about linear or non-linear works? what about narrative led or abstract works? Before asking such a question you should consider what constitutes an appropriate or interesting set of categories. The real question is why do we need to consider a hierarchy of form when each is as diverse as the other. What about hybrids? What about works which defy categories of the types you've listed all together?

[Anonymous No.15373459]

>>15373444
>Back then, you could get one guy in his bedroom and he could write a smash hit.
Still happens sometimes

[Anonymous No.15373462]

>>15373455
People have been dividing the arts for centuries, but thanks for your teenage input you've really shown us all up there.

[Anonymous No.15373463]

>>15373455
OP here. Good point.

[Anonymous No.15373465]

>>15373079
you could argue something like tetris is science and math as art but gay pseud shit like nier isn't art

[Anonymous No.15373485]

>>15373462
Ask any serious artist and they'll tell you they don't see the divisions.

[Anonymous No.15373492]

>>15373455
this isnt wrong but its the boring answer, and the various media are 99% distinct from each other, to the point where its self evident, and doesnt require debate. additionally, they each have established distinct and developed canons and bodies of work. theres some medium crossing, but nothing that makes a real dent.

[Anonymous No.15373501]

>>15373485
>>15373282
Here are a few serious artist's who saw the divisions and wrote extensively about it. I can get you more if you'd like? Tell me an artist who didn't see the divisions.

[Anonymous No.15373510]

>>15373073
Poetry is the greatest art form. Some might say music, but poetry is versified music and therefore superior. Literature broadly speaking is a meaningless term.

[Anonymous No.15373515]

space-based art, time-based art, language-based art
ad libitum

[Anonymous No.15373518]

Painting isn't that great an art form. I don't understand its prestige. Even in person.

[Anonymous No.15373520]

>>15373510
why does poetry being versified make it superior in your opinion?

[Anonymous No.15373522]

>>15373510
Your answer is right. The reason's you've given for it are mind bafflingly wrong.

[Anonymous No.15373527]

>>15373518
it looks pretty

[Anonymous No.15373541]

>>15373527
based

[Anonymous No.15373556]

>>15373073
2D animation
>>15373107
3D animation

[Anonymous No.15373569]

>>15373520
Just compare Homer (in Greek) to Bach. The world's greatest poet vs. the world's greatest composer. It's pretty clear how much richer poetry is to music. And I'm obsessed with Bach.
>>15373522
Okay.

[Anonymous No.15373570]

>>15373492
>the various media are 99% distinct from each other
In medium sure, but what I'm saying is that there are more interesting and less obvious ways to categorise the arts. Aesthetics has made significant developments since Kant. The question based on the stated categories will necessarily make for a reductive answer since each is so multifaceted and diverse. Maybe we are looking at art from different aesthetic primacies. What is art? What make for a great work of art?

>>15373501
Anthropologists are the only people who have anything interesting to say about art. Poets and writers least of all.

[Anonymous No.15373571]

>>15373527
Does it really?

The pretty genres like landscape, portrait or still life (or abstract if you consider that pretty) have no real meaning to them and the ones with meaning like history are done in the most artificial and stilted manner of iconography and pictorial narrative.

[Anonymous No.15373573]

>>15373518
drawing > painting

[Anonymous No.15373579]

1. Theater, opera, cinema, and other hybrid forms
2. Poetry
3. Prose narrative
4. Music/two-dimensional artwork (tie)
5. Three-dimensional artwork (can easily be undermined by the angle of viewing)
6. Architecture (more of an applied art than a fine art, although it has elements of both)

[Anonymous No.15373582]

>>15373569
>compare x to y - it's pretty clear which is superior
this isnt an argument

[Anonymous No.15373594]

>>15373582
I wasn't making an argument, retard. It was an observation self-evident to anyone who isn't a retard like you.

[Anonymous No.15373595]

>>15373573
This is correct, but drawings can be paintings.

[Anonymous No.15373599]

>>15373579
Theatre is dead. It's been eclipsed by film, which can accomplish both filmed theatre and cinema.

[Anonymous No.15373601]

>>15373594
it isn't at all obvious actually, maybe you can enlighten us

[Anonymous No.15373603]

>>15373510
Poetry is not versified music? Thats just wrong like theres no reason why you could think this. So much poetry isn't even in verse. You have so grossly misunderstood both literature and music in three sentences.

[Anonymous No.15373607]

>>15373571
Why does it have to have meaning why can't it just be aesthetically pleasing?

[Anonymous No.15373611]

>>15373573
I draw and I think it's important but colour is the most important element of visual art and the thing that turns it from mere representation to art.

[Anonymous No.15373612]

>>15373594
Like tell me how Bach's approach to harmony in his chorales is somehow transferrable to poetry in a way where it has anywhere near the same effect?

[Anonymous No.15373618]

>>15373603
>So much poetry isn't even in verse.
LOL
>>15373601
No, I don't think I'm going to. I think you should learn Greek and read Homer then listen to Bach's greatest works. You'll see poetry is the richer endeavor. But frankly, I don't think poetry and music are very different in the end.

[Anonymous No.15373644]

>>15373618
>I don't think poetry and music are very different in the end
Exactly!

[Anonymous No.15373648]

>>15373607
If that's your criteria for art then I don't think it deserves much prestige, which goes back to my first question. Why is painting held in high regard if it's not capable of serious and meaningful discourse

[Anonymous No.15373658]

>>15373618
If Bach ever saw this he would be turning in his grave fast enough to power an organ. Imagine boasting about learning greek when nobody has bought up their own skills with it. And then you blatantly show that even if you have this skill you completely lack the means to use it beyond basic comprehension. What a waste of good education.

[Anonymous No.15373667]

>>15373648
Do you say the same about St Peters Basilica?

[Anonymous No.15373670]

>>15373658
People who don't know Greek can't appreciate Homer in any sense, sorry. And I love Bach, I listen to his music daily. I'm sure even he would defer to Homer on this question though.

[Anonymous No.15373673]

>>15373073
what do we mean by 'greatest'? surly it is more pertinent to answer this before we can begin discuss what forms of art are greater?

[Anonymous No.15373695]

>>15373648
Your argument is based on the premise that the best works of art create serious and meaningful discourse. This needs as much justification as the notion that works must simply be aesthetically pleasing.

[Anonymous No.15373696]

>>15373670
I know greek you retard. I think homer is better too. You have given retarded reasons despite our reaching of the same conclusion, and the reasons you have given show that despite knowing greek and listening to Bach you are retarded.

[Anonymous No.15373701]

>>15373670
simp

[Anonymous No.15373705]

>>15373696
>I know greek you retard.
Doubt. You barely even know English.

[Anonymous No.15373706]

>>15373569
>>15373594
im eating so sentences suck

not self evi. bad comparison. homer=limited concerns (bloom and lesser critics know this), bach=closer to unlimited, his music is sublime, while even homers idea of gods is limited to the anthropic.

>>15373570
name a philosopher who sets interesting ways to approach, not just boring hair splitg

[Anonymous No.15373713]

>>15373706
What are you eating?

[Anonymous No.15373721]

>>15373713
Yeah I'm curious too

[Anonymous No.15373727]

>>15373705
Nice comeback. You keep on focusing on the greek thing? It must be nice to think you can hide behind that when your complete and utter lack of artistic knowledge is exposed

[Anonymous No.15373731]

>>15373727
Honestly right now I just want to know what anon >>15373706 is eating. Please get off my dick.

[Anonymous No.15373737]

>>15373670
>>15373696
neither of you speak greek, you dont even know bach or homer that well.

>>15373695
stupid videos on youtube are widely aesthetically appealing but no one will seriously defend them here. also taste is a lot harder for people to reach a consensus on. your criteria is stupid. the meaning-based argument is much stronger.

[Anonymous No.15373752]

>>15373737
Actually you're wrong, but okay.

[Anonymous No.15373759]

>>15373737
>>15373727
Do you see what i mean now?

[Anonymous No.15373763]

>>15373759
no, and you don't know greek

[Anonymous No.15373765]

>>15373706
Maybe a handful of analytic philosophers. Nelson Goodman comes to mind. But really my argument is anecdotal, drawn from conversations with practicing artists and by having a diverse creative practice myself. I know this isn't an answer but I suppose it comes down to the division between theory and actual embodied practice. "Aesthetics is to artists what ornithology is to birds" (yawn but it's very much true).

[Anonymous No.15373770]

>>15373737
>>15373752
>>15373759
Shut it, faggots. You're ruining my day with your petty arguments. Can any of you even do 10 consecutive pushups without dropping from exhaustion?

[Anonymous No.15373777]

>>15373073
Why has this thread concluded that homer is the only poet and that art's value is in its intentions.

[Anonymous No.15373782]

>>15373737
make the argument then or at least reference one simp

[Anonymous No.15373787]

>>15373770
Bruh moment

[Anonymous No.15373792]

>>15373777
Homer is the only poet, all other great poets were reincarnations of him. He is the eternal poet and the voice of God himself. There have been manifestations of lesser aspects of Homer as well, and sheer imitations. People should pray to either be reborn as Homer or to be possessed by him if they hope to be great poets.

[Anonymous No.15373796]

>>15373792
Virgil dunked on him. Homer was a child compared to that wordsmith.

[Anonymous No.15373798]

>>15373706
It annoys me that people like you might go your whole lives without realising how dumb your ideas are.

[Anonymous No.15373799]

>>15373673
can we please address this. without a well defined set of premises we cannot answer this question. it's like many scampering chickens without their heads in a bakery.

[Anonymous No.15373800]

>>15373073
there is no highest, but typically i would say for most music > literature > art

[Anonymous No.15373801]

>>15373796
Metaphysically speaking, they're the same person.

[Anonymous No.15373809]

>>15373422
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxFjFS-idYk
Pac Man go wokka wokka wokka

[Anonymous No.15373815]

>>15373800
so auditory > cerebral > visual?

[Anonymous No.15373818]

>>15373815
Reductionist

[Anonymous No.15373819]

>>15373073
Cooking

[Anonymous No.15373823]

>>15373818
no more reductionist than >>15373800

[Anonymous No.15373829]

>>15373819
I told you not to post here, mom.

[Anonymous No.15373842]

>>15373073
>>15373819
Haute Couture or maybe some of the fashion shows of Alexander McQueen or John Galliano

[Anonymous No.15373847]

>>15373823
No, yours is more reductionist. If i read sheet music that is cerebral. If i see a play that is visual/auditory. It also ignores meta comments all art makes which is (usually always, but ill admit is not limited to) cerebral.

[Anonymous No.15373890]

>>15373842
Thank about it. Fashion fully and unboundedly engages with aesthetics, culture, history and concept. The fashion show; performance on stage by humanity's most beautiful youths, meticulously crafted works of art, all modelled around the human body and its dynamic movement. Furthermore it is fused with utility and the arts of commerce and marketing. Quite the spectacle.

[Anonymous No.15373994]

>>15373809
unironically, pac-man has had a greater influence contemporary culture than Bach or Homer

[Anonymous No.15374015]

>>15373890

[Anonymous No.15374050]

>>15374015
I'm not sure wether this is an attempt to refute my post. Let's not think that the existence of JKR does not undermine the aesthetic potential of literature more broadly. I would say that high fashion has had only a few dozen moments of touching its full potential as an art form.

[Anonymous No.15374092]

>>15373695
I didn't say anything about 'best works'. I don't really care what's the best or not desu. I said prestigious. If we're adults and we are taking something as frivolous as art seriously (which is a child's activity), then the art must be serious enough to handle the scrutiny. Unless your view of art is that it's for infantilizing us with 'aesthetic pleasure'

[Anonymous No.15374101]

>>15373670

I’m not an Anglo or english native speaker, but I really think that Shakespeare is far superior as a poet to Homer. The originality, quality and variety of his imagery is astounding. His descriptions of tempests, for example, are more original and rich in imagination than those of Homer. I love Homer too, though, more even than Dante.

[Anonymous No.15374163]

>>15373213
You are making the mistake of thinking video games should be treated like films. This is what ruins tons of modern video games. They are not films and should not try to be films. Great games utilize the player's free will, rather than try to restrain it. Narrative can be shown through game mechanics, and its only limited thinking to believe it can only be shown through tons of dialogue boxes.

[Anonymous No.15374290]

>>15373518
>>15373607
>>15373648
Tons of paintings have meaning beyond pictorial narrative. Many painters consider the colors used, composition, figures, etc. to craft a meaning or give an impression beyond just the aesthetic of the visuals. And anyway, this discussion over whether meaning or aesthetics is more important to art is silly as the highest art brings meaning to its beauty and beautifies its meaning. Nobody would read Homer for the meaning of his works if his writing and stories were not also beautiful.

[Anonymous No.15374310]

>>15373079
Vidya has so far been the most pathetic of all art-forms. You have to get a sizeable crowd that would actually appreciate great creations first.

[Anonymous No.15374331]

>>15373083
Spbp
How has nobody mentioned this in all the thread? Its the only correct answer thus far.

[Anonymous No.15374343]

>>15373073
Music, and Beethoven's 3rd symphony is the greatest work of art ever created.

[Anonymous No.15374369]

While we're on the subject, what do you guys think of graphic novels and the like as a medium? What is holding them back, aside from obvious things like
>capeshit, infantile subject matter and such
I'm asking since I just finished Watchmen. Theoretically, the medium is simply a drama script with sequential pictures. How could this medium be elevated to its fullest potential, as other have been?

[Anonymous No.15374386]

>>15374369
same as with drama film and vidya
hasnt been pushed to its potential for reasons unknown

[Anonymous No.15374442]

>>15374369
It's almost entirely visual and based on capturing particular moments, like a painter, so the graphic novelist better be a damned good artist. Graphic novels are completely different from Sunday funnies/comics/whatever. The manga-kas who detail the shit out of everything have the right approach. You should be able to pause on a panel and get lost in it for 15 minutes.

[Anonymous No.15375034]

>>15373096
But poetry is literature

[Anonymous No.15375346]

>>15373121
>architecture on top
No, just fucking no. You are probably an architect student, but this isn’t even art

[Anonymous No.15375354]

>>15373107
Architecture, sculpting, theatre, dance

[Anonymous No.15375357]

>>15375034
wrong, it's superior to it.

[Anonymous No.15375377]

>>15373073
Story-telling, no contest. Nothing is more important to humanity. Music comes in a very close second. Visual art is kinda doing its own thing.

[Anonymous No.15375401]

>>15375346
Oh, shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.15375414]

>>15373556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCggLiiSIg
Applaud this man. 2D animators are god-wizards.

[Anonymous No.15375429]

>>15375346
no i'm a medicine student. i chose architecture because it has the structure and the geometry of music, the immediate impact of visual arts, the variety of literature, the plasticity of sculpture, and a necessity unknown to other arts, whose nature us that of the ornament, even when they are not meant to be ornamental.

[Anonymous No.15375446]

>>15375414
Bros, will the world ever see another Don Bluth? His work is god-tier.

[Anonymous No.15375532]

>>15373073
Music isn't an art form and literature/visual art are essentially (literally) the same so you have your answer.

[Anonymous No.15375542]

>>15373354
Immersion isn't art

[Anonymous No.15375547]

>>15373455
Do you know what 'arbitrary' means?

[Anonymous No.15375713]

>>15375542
No but it heightens the experience of an artform. Video quality isn't art but watching a movie in 144p is different than watching it in 8k.

[Anonymous No.15376127]

im seeing a lot of pseud rankings and propositions but im not seeing as many well reasoned supporting arguments

[Anonymous No.15376449]

>>15375713
If you say so

[Anonymous No.15376520]

>>15375357
Poetry is literature you moron, it's the best type of literature.

[Anonymous No.15376553]

>>15373073
Music, because it is the most detached from any aspect necessary to survival, and thus is the closest to creating something out of nothing.

[Anonymous No.15377261]

>>15375547
I absolutely know what 'arbitrary' means. From the wider (anthropological) perspective of the long history of human making, the proposed categories totally fail to organise the diversity and holistic nature of aesthetics. It fails in the sense that it is western-centric and classicist. It fails in the sense that it is the least interesting way to organise aesthetics and artificially separates it before you have a chance to look at the underlying themes and forms. It is an example of what Bohm calls 'fragmentation'. I really can't understand why any of you take these categories seriously as a starting point for creating a value hierarchy in aesthetics.

As some have pointed out - what is meant by 'greatest' anyway?

[Anonymous No.15377266]

>>15373073
Anime

[Anonymous No.15378053]

Bump

[Anonymous No.15378057]

lads if I am better at drawing than writing should I just give up writing?

[Anonymous No.15378084]

>>15378057
No, Goethe started off as a drawer/painter and became a writer, choosing to devote his time to it instead.

[Anonymous No.15378177]

>>15373079
>Video games

[Anonymous No.15378352]

>>15378057
Why not incorporate writing into your drawing? What about glyphs?

[Anonymous No.15378362]

>>15373083
Hentai manga, hentai anime, or nukige?

[Anonymous No.15378428]

>>15378057
You could become the next Roald Dahl or Lemony Snicket. Write a book and include your illustrations that relate to the book.

[Anonymous No.15378443]

A 16 year old made this thread

[Anonymous No.15378487]

dance > music > poetry > literature >>>>>>>>>>>>> visual arts

[Anonymous No.15379270]

>>15378487
but what kind of dance

[Anonymous No.15379483]

>>15379270
Exclusively homoerotic pole dancing. The rest is shit.

[Anonymous No.15379526]

>>15375401
Oh, look, an old window!
big deal...

[Anonymous No.15379533]

>>15373073
The art of life, mon cher! To live, that is the rarest thing of all!

[Anonymous No.15380649]

>>15377261
>forms

Uhh.. you mean medium?

[Anonymous No.15380652]

Music > Video Games (potentially) > Cinema > >>>>> Literature > Other visual arts >>>>>>> Applied arts

[Anonymous No.15380653]

>>15380652
You have to be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.15380681]

>>15379270
Ballet is only what is meant by dance

[Anonymous No.15380692]

>>15373073
if you really liked art you wouldnt be asking

[Anonymous No.15380719]

>>15380652
>Video Games (potentially)

lol

[Anonymous No.15380741]

>>15380649
No, I meant forms. If I had meant medium I would have written medium.

[Anonymous No.15380823]

architecture, you idiot

[Anonymous No.15380897]

>>15373107
dance 100%. Who watches dancers? Even if you are really good at it, who cares?