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15364214 No.15364214 [Reply] [Original]

>Only what you can perceive in your mind exists
So if a bullet flies through your head and you die before even perceiving it in your mind the bullet doesn't exist? Why is it so easy to btfo this retard?

>> No.15364231

>>15364214
the world is God's mind or something

>> No.15364244

but god saw the guy firing the bullet at you right?

>> No.15364255

>>15364244
yes. op is strawmanning berkeley

>> No.15364431

>>15364244
god here, i didn't see or hear nothing, move along nigga

>> No.15364772
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>God is almighty and trascendential and his existence depends on nothing
>God also will keep your refrigerator cold when you're not around
>if we don't perceive something it is automatically perceived by God
>God's existence depends on our lack of perception
So god isn't all that flawless in the end

>> No.15365681

>>15364214
>when you didn't read Berkely

>> No.15365934

>>15364214
Berkeley never says anything remotely like this. Just read the book its not that long

>> No.15366360

>>15364214
A lot of the dualism and idealism from this period needs to be taken into context. Sure, it sounds dumb af but Descartes' dualism complicated problems of free will and dvinity (if there's just mind and body, how does mind affect body? how does it do so in ways that don't violate physical laws of energy? how does this permit the necessity of God for spirit?). Berkeley's thought absolves part of these problems by simply manifesting everything as ideal (either of self or God). It removes the spirit in the machine problem while still placing a necessity for the existence of God to preserve the physical world. You may find it dumb, but it's what was necessary to address the issues of the time. Mocking it is as productive as talking about the stupidity of the Ptolemaic system when it was the best approximation of planetary orbits available for much of the pre-Copernican world.

>> No.15366502

>>15364214
Do you have any way of verifying the bullet's existence once you're dead apart from inferring it from your previous experiences?