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[Anonymous No.15362290]

serious question: who exactly are these "intelligent and well-informed people" he's talking about?

[Anonymous No.15362539]

He personally probably thought about, among other people, Alvin Plantinga.

[Anonymous No.15362755]

thomists and (neo)platonists

[Anonymous No.15362765]

Jordan Peterson

[Anonymous No.15362770]

>>15362539
I know he mentions Stephen Meyer and isn't totally dismissive of him, which is more than the edgelord undergads on /sci/ would allow.

I'm just wondering who all these bigbrained theists are given the fact that about 80% of academia is atheistic or agnostic

[Anonymous No.15362771]

>>15362290
Dernold Blumpf

[Anonymous No.15362778]

>>15362770
That's not true, a large amount of academia is still religious, it's just that relative to the average non academic population it's very small.
On the first day of my PhD in theoretical physics my advisor said I should read the bible. Religious people are way more common in academia than people often think.

[Anonymous No.15362794]

>>15362290

What? I'm an atheist and this is retarded as fuck. The universe doesn't give a shit about what you want. What?

[Anonymous No.15362801]

>>15362794
Retarded? Retarded how?

[Anonymous No.15362804]

>>15362770

>80% of academia is atheistic or agnostic

Lol. In Sweden maybe. What are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.15362885]

>>15362801

>I don't want the universe to be like X

What kind of 4-year old worldview is that? I don't want something so it simply shouldn't be.
I don't want to die, I don't want to be sick, I don't want to eat vegetables.
I just want to fuck hookers, drink rum and eat bacon all day without suffering any consequences. Oh, no one gives a shit? Well I simply can't accept it.

[Anonymous No.15362927]

>>15362794
>>15362885
Brainlets detected. Expressing a preference about X does not entail a belief about its alterability.

[Anonymous No.15363076]

>>15362778
This, but in another area. My advisor indirectly suggested that I convert to Catholicism. He usually has conversion narratives on his desk when I enter his office.

[Anonymous No.15363105]

>>15362927

Except he literally says that he doesn't believe in God the sentence before you absolute mongoloid.

If I told you that I think the belief that trans fats cause heart disease are a myth, then proceed to tell you that I also hope they are a myth because I like eating bacon every day, you would think I'm a coping retard.

[Anonymous No.15363118]

>>15362770
Please don't treat gormless agnostics with skulls full of unexamined normative trash like they have an actual philosophy. Whatever percentage they + about 90% of putative atheists call themselves they're bone-through-the-nose religious.

[Anonymous No.15363265]

Isn't this basically how midwits try to discover what is true? By checking what smart people believe?

[Anonymous No.15363309]

I feel like either no god or imperfect god is likely
No need to sperg about it

[Anonymous No.15363325]

>>15363105
Reality and one's desires toward reality are two entire different subjects, jackass.

[Anonymous No.15363331]

>>15362290
Albert Camus.

[Anonymous No.15363399]

>>15362290

It is simple your group think, social pressure bullshit makes those people hide.

Of course you don't see them.

[Anonymous No.15363424]

>>15362290
god militant atheists are annoying, they can't do anything in math or science so they larp as geniuses even though they are as brainlet as the people they hate (spreading dogma like they actually know the truth)

[Anonymous No.15363466]

>>15363424
Gods don't exist, retard. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.15363476]

>>15363466
t. I HECKIN' LOVE SCIENCE!

[Anonymous No.15363509]

>>15363476
Don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that there are no bearded all-powerful men in the sky who deeply care about your masturbatory habits.

[Anonymous No.15363524]

>>15363509
That might be a popular folkstale anyway, as masturbation is not within The Holy Bible.

But God is real, so I would certainly repent sinner, if you have committed any wrongs. :3

[Anonymous No.15363529]

>>15363509
Of course your made up fabrication is not real.

[Anonymous No.15363548]

>>15362290
It's another round of analytic philosophers say the darndest things

[Anonymous No.15363555]

>>15363509
A rocket scientist or any scientist for that matter wouldn't know, how would he ever have the tools to explore such a question? We don't and so it's impossible to answer the question, and you can't pretend to know the answer even though through your EXTREME LOGIC 100 it seems it MUST be true. Not everything that exists is rational.

[Anonymous No.15363559]

>>15363524
>But God is real
That's where you're mistaken. There's zero evidence of supernatural entities of any kind.

[Anonymous No.15363565]

>>15363555
Let it go, moron. There are no angels and fairies.

[Anonymous No.15363578]

>>15363559
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

[Anonymous No.15363593]

>>15363559
Our very existence is the evidence of a creator.

It takes more effort for you to not believe than it does to simply believe.

You are simply in denial of you think we are just bacteria on a rock.

[Anonymous No.15363594]

>>15363565
I don't believe in them, simple minded atheist. I'm just saying you are not as logical as your pathetic movement claims to be.

[Anonymous No.15363596]

>>15363578
Patently false.

[Anonymous No.15363609]

>>15363594
Not being a total retard is now a "movement"? Wow, impressive.

[Anonymous No.15363619]

>>15363609

[Anonymous No.15363637]

>>15363609
Keep doing what you are doing.

I know you guys think that by doing this you are creating more atheists but what you are actually doing is pushing people towards God.

[Anonymous No.15363645]

>>15362290
I am with Nagel on that one.

Seriously, eternal life is my single biggest fear. Imagine there not being an end! Even a happy eternal life would still be too much. It's good as it is, with people dying eventually and being substituted by new generations. It's good, and I am used to it. I'd hate to live for ever.

[Anonymous No.15363648]

>>15363637
And which god would that be?

[Anonymous No.15363675]

>>15363645
I used to think this way as well but for some reason it has become harder for me to imagine the cessation of my consciousness. I guess that is kind of an contradiction but it mind boggles me.

[Anonymous No.15363732]

do any of you bros fear that the real religion was lost along the away to the erosion of history and we are all doomed to not follow it?

[Anonymous No.15363742]

>>15362290
Sjruru!

[Anonymous No.15363772]

>>15363578
you can literally say this about anything that hasn't been proven true. I could say that about gnomes if I wanted

[Anonymous No.15363783]

evangelical atheists are the most bitter people I have ever encountered.

[Anonymous No.15363830]

>>15362290
My diary desu.

[Anonymous No.15363851]

>>15363565
>There are no angels
There are though.

[Anonymous No.15364313]

Daily reminder it has been empirically proven religiosity stifles scientific innovation.

https://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Religion%20December%201g_snd.pdf
http://www.nber.org/papers/w21052.pdf

Daily reminder the overwhelming majority of leading scientists are atheists

https://www.nature.com/articles/28478
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33

Daily reminder most philosophers are atheists

https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl

Daily reminder religious people are less intelligent according to dozens of studies.

http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Relation_Between_Intelligence_and_Religiosity__A_Meta-Analysis_and_Some_Proposed_Explanations.pdf

Daily reminder religious people are less educated

https://www.economist.com/news/international/21623712-how-education-makes-people-less-religiousand-less-superstitious-too-falling-away

Religious people are literally a lesser breed of human

[Anonymous No.15364435]

>>15364313
Wow! Mind if I email Dr. Nagel these links?

[Anonymous No.15364605]

>>15364435
sure go ahead. be sure t send him this one as well

>Survey of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS):
>"Our survey found near universal rejection of the transcendent by NAS natural scientists. Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality)."

[Anonymous No.15364657]

>>15364313
>>15364605
This is all bs and conformity doesn't mean it's correct. The ones who started these fields were religious. Those scientists and philosophers aren't doing shit

[Anonymous No.15364673]

>>15362290
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRsjHjZyask

[Anonymous No.15364675]

>>15364605
Plus I'm smarter than you and I'm religious. I'm sure I can have you believing in a creator of the universe, idc which religion made

[Anonymous No.15364691]

>>15364313
atheists dominate the mass shooter top charts

[Anonymous No.15364778]

>>15363524
Onanism is, though.

[Anonymous No.15364814]

>>15363509
Your concept of God is infantile. If you'd like to read about it you could probably ask for book recommendations here.

[Anonymous No.15365356]

>>15364691
that just means they more competent with guns

[Anonymous No.15365534]

>>15364605
I haven't been in this conversation, but why are you quoting Xenophanes here? As far as I know, Xenophanes said there is a God, an all powerful, all knowing, omniscient being who didn't need to move because there was no need, sort of like the "unmoved mover". He specifically said there is a God and that everything comes from him, and believed that the Gods of Greek legend were wrong in that they were based off of people and sinful/imperfect like people, whereas a true God wouldn't be. Do you know what the things your posting actually mean?