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Has anyone on /lit read that book of Job? I'm a little confused right now. This is what i got from it

>God is an asshole who sends satan to take everything away from Job
>God expects ???????????
>Job's mind is full of fuck, he is depressed with reason
>Job questions Gods doings
>Jobs friends "console" him, ask him what else he expects from god who is the last word
>God is like WTF You will never understand me, because i am god
>God gives everything back to Job

What am i missing here? This is supposed to be one of the greatest pieces of western literature, and all i can get from it is that God can do what he wants because you are man and he is god.
Anyone care to digress?

inb4 the "herp derp the bible is stupid"

>> No.1536093

be a slave to the idea of you are a slave.

>> No.1536097

OP can't inb4

herp derp the bible is stupid

>> No.1536109

yeah this book makes no sense. it's one of the bible's master trolls: confuse them into submission!

>> No.1536113

herp derp you haven't read Fear and Trembling

>> No.1536118

yeah but god didn't do what he wanted to do...the devil made a bet with him. and then job is like wtf wot did i do? and his friends are like...u had to have dun something and job is like "god is just and even if there's no reason then god is still just" and god comes down and says "that's right"

and no one learns anything in the end

>> No.1536130

>>1536113

teleological suspension of the coherent allegory

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>>1536130
>coherent allegory

>> No.1536148

I think that it's supposed to be comforting to people - that in your misery you still must show reverence to God because in the end you're really an insignificant worm. Coming to that realization I think is similar to realizing your own worthlessness in the grand scheme of things so it's actually pretty existential in a way. I'm not religious but I think the Bible contains some very interesting portions about the nature of man and his relation to the rest of the universe, and I've always liked the Book of Job.

>> No.1536157

>>1536093
>>1536097
>>1536109
>>1536118
So i didn't miss anything, and it doesn't make sense. thanks.

>> No.1536159

the book of Job is essentially: if you have a shitty life, it's just god testing your faith

>> No.1536169

>>1536159
>>1536157
I think it's more "God doesn't owe you shit" - which is a more interesting proposition and a little disquieting for some people.

>> No.1536177

>>1536159

that's the take-away for the low-minded. i say it's just a completely garbled "worship god OR ELSE"

>> No.1536188

The message of Job - We can only pretend the world is coherent, that things make sense, but we must remember this is ultimately a lie.

>> No.1536185

>>1536169

haha it's true though. people suck this guys dick cuz he don't owe them nothing. they're giving the pussy away for free. job is just bad economics.

>> No.1536190

>>1536169
That goes against christian doctrine though.

A more likely interpretation given the history of the text is that Job's faith allowed him to question God, but not to deal with his problems. If he merely trusted God to give his crap back then he would have had no problem.

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>>1536190
>That goes against christian doctrine though.

How so?

>> No.1536198

>>1536169
I can see that very clearly. Was it because Job in a way was expecting to have everything because he was a good man? I still don't see how his friends were to be punished, it was almost like god didn't need a reason to take anything away, he's god and that's that

>> No.1536202

>>1536185
>they're giving the pussy away for free. job is just bad economics.

job is about giving away the pussy for free. thank you /lit/, i knew i could count on you for clarification.

>> No.1536208

>>1536198
>god didn't need a reason to take anything away
That's pretty much the moral right there.

>> No.1536209

/lit/ - theology

>> No.1536217

>>1536209
what is literature if you don't digest it for meaning?

>> No.1536228

>>1536217
entertainment

>> No.1536233

>>1536198
I think it was more that Job expected a good reason behind his suffering when there really wasn't one - to expect a reason from God is arrogance. His friends just had a very simplistic view of what God does - always punishing evil or always rewarding good without exceptions. They don't get the larger moral issue.

That's how I understand it anyways. I think one of the great things about the Bible is that it's been discussed for thousands of years and there are still a great many different interpretations, and one doesn't even need to be Jewish or Christian to develop their own.

>> No.1536242

>>1536228
who is this deep and edgy if he only reads for entertainment?
the answer is easy, an trolling argumentative attention whoring tripfag no one likes.

>> No.1536252

>>1536217
Your post must not be literature.

>> No.1536256

>>1536148

This.

Also, remember this was written when Satan was "The Adversary" i.e. a figure who argued the case of man's impiety and tried to break Job to make him curse God.

I'm pretty sure Satan's role is based upon a figure who had a similar role in the Persian Shah's court.

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>>1536233
I can get dig that. Thank you.