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15356725 No.15356725 [Reply] [Original]

How do you define evilness? and what defines evil people?

>> No.15356735

>>15356725
You can only define 'bad' or 'evil' in relation 'good'.
Defining it by itself is impossible.

Evil and good don't exist outside of human understanding

>> No.15356741

>>15356735
Dumb pos. Go kys, you stupid fucking dumbass. Go to fucking hell already. I am sick and tired of your insipid and trite way of thinking. Disgusting stupid demon. Slit your fucking throat.

>> No.15356746

>Matthew 5:37
>"But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."

>> No.15356747

>>15356741
Well, that was needlessly savage. But yeah, that post was dumb.

>> No.15356750

>>15356735
These views should mark one to public execution to serve as a warning to all who spread such filth.
Evil and good exist as separate principles.
Defining either good or evil by itself is possible
Evil and good exist outside of human understanding.
Everyone who disagrees deserves to die.
Kys, you rotten pieces of shit. I am sick and tired of you edgelords.

>> No.15356755

>>15356725
Have you ever had sex with a pharaoh?
I put the pussy in a sarcophagus

>> No.15356767

>>15356741
^This is evil.
Dull witted degenerate evil. He’s of course mad about the pretty girl

>> No.15356770

>>15356750
>Defining either good or evil by itself is possible
Go on

>> No.15356772

>>15356725
Evilness begins to manifest in the absence of God. The further away you get from God's light the demons come out more and more, and the depravity grows. Evil is what comes in the absence of love.

>> No.15356773

>>15356750
>Evil and good exist as separate principles.
>Defining either good or evil by itself is possible
>Evil and good exist outside of human understanding.
citation needed

>> No.15356780

>>15356770
I don't want to because my argument is unique and very complex, and I am afraid people will plagiarize me.

>> No.15356787

>>15356773
I don't want to give my argument because it's very unique and complex, and people may plagiarize me. I want to give this argument in my future magnum opus.

>> No.15356801

>>15356735
Retard. good and evil ground their own natures, not each other. might as well say squares are explained by circles, and circles squares. completely incoherent

>>15356741
this dude is 100% correct.

>> No.15356816

>>15356780
>>15356787
pussy

>> No.15356835

>>15356801
The dude is a schizophrenic

>> No.15356837

>>15356741
You just proved his position, you dumb fucking idiot

>> No.15356849

>>15356837
Nope, you're the idiot. Go kys, you stupid pos.
>>15356816
Nope, you're the pussy. You are a depraved bastard.

>> No.15356868

>>15356741
So true. This.

>> No.15356875

>>15356801
It is possible to explain squares in terms of circles, but it is not necessary. I can say that a square is a shape with 4 corners, with equal length in all sides, While a triangle os a shape (forgive me for not using circles so i don't have to say infinite corners) with three corners and three sides.

However for good and evil it is necessary, any explanation of either involve eachother, i.e. What is good, is that which is not bad. What is bad, is that which is not good. It just ends up being circular.

Even if you formulate good and bad in terms of a normative statement, it still ends up in the same way

>> No.15356883

>>15356875
No, what is good, is what is good, and what is evil, is evil. Insipid nigger child.

>> No.15356895

>>15356835
Not having your blinders on is not schizophrenia. or it might as well be for kids like you. Evil has a positive reality.

>> No.15356897

>>15356787
Hows your magnum opus going? I'd be very interested in reading it once it is done.

>> No.15356901

>>15356875
>any explanation of either involve eachother,
Nope, good and evil exist as independent principles. They do not exist in a complementary or interpenetrating dynamic. Heraclitus was a stupid piece of shit unlike Empedocles. The sooner you kill yourself, the better.
>What is good, is that which is not bad
Good has its own qualitative and other properties. Likewise, the bad does too. Good is not merely the absence of bad. It has its own properties.
Light and darkness are not two sides of the same coin. The light exists to banish the evil.
>It just ends up being circular.
Nope, they are two separate substances.
>Even if you formulate good and bad in terms of a normative statement, it still ends up in the same way
Good and evil exist as separate cosmological and meta-ethical properties that are in constant antagonist conflict. They absolutely never blur.
Now please, kys.
I have not given my actual argument yet due to fear of plagiarism.

>> No.15356917

>>15356875
I can describe squares analytically as shapes with 4 sides. Done. A = A.

>>15356901
Would also like to read your manifesto when it is done

>> No.15356942

>>15356895
The fuck?

>> No.15356964

>>15356901
>I have not given my actual argument
You have not given any argument

It is quite obvious you have no idea what your talking about. You say you will release a magnum opus, but as a matter of fact you have never published any works. Nor will you ever release any work of any such.

>> No.15356978

>>15356917
Well squares are actually shapes with four equal sides, and four equal corners. What you are talking about is a rhombus.

>> No.15356982

>>15356964
>as a matter of fact you have never published any works.
I have published one short story in a reputable journal.

>> No.15357027

>>15356741
You rage, you lose.

>> No.15357036

>>15357027
Only if you play by pussy liberal rules. In this game, raging is winning.

>> No.15357043

>>15357027
Nope, I didn't lose. I mean, we're not in a professional setting.

>> No.15358260

>>15356735
hamlet says the same thing; don't listen to these pleebs

>> No.15358281

>>15356725
No clue. Why don't you go read some stuff and get back to us on it? I recommend Alasdair MacIntyre.

>> No.15358309

>>15356741
based

>> No.15359627

>>15356725
Concepts of good and evil are manmade constructs and are totally subjective and vary widely from culture to culture and person to person. But, in order for society to function at all there needs to be clearly defined and enforced laws to keep people from killing, raping, and stealing from one another.

>> No.15359662

Separation form good and God. In of itself evil does not exist.

>> No.15359779

>>15356849
What an argument!

>> No.15359783

Evil is essentially anything that's too fun or enjoyable

>> No.15359785

>>15356780
It's not, trust me.

>> No.15359805

>>15359785
It absolutely is. Go fuck yourself, you stupid god-forsaken piece of shit. I am a published writer in a reputable literary journal, and I don't want my views stolen. I've actually already been plagiarized by one popular writer.

>> No.15359806

>>15356741
You proved his point, well done.

>> No.15359814

>>15356735
100% correct. Do not listen to these retards.

>> No.15359830

>>15359806
Maybe that's how it appears in your shitty mind.

>> No.15359831

>>15356725
"And everything we do turns ultimately to evil, because that's what we are."

>> No.15359848

>>15356725
Ignorance; their intellectual and spiritual laziness.

>> No.15359864

No evildoer is unaware of the evil manifesting through their actions. They know right from wrong, and act in spite of what they know to be good, right.

People who have a tough time grasping right and wrong don't commit evils, maybe "stupidities" at worst.

>>15356772
(You)

>> No.15359868

>>15359805
I'd be willing to bet real money that you are schizophrenic from what little of this theory you've elaborated and how much anger you have towards detractors. Your fear of plagiarism is probably based on a similar psychotic apophenia.

>> No.15359883

>>15359868
I'm not schizophrenic. I just have a genuine fear of inspiring people to follow my trail of thought and publishing my novel insights before I do so. I've had this occur with one popular book discussed here because I talked to this writer over private correspondence.
I am not schizophrenic. I have two degrees in STEM and am an artist.
I do have a lot of anger in general, yes.

>> No.15359888

>>15359830
And degeneracy has clouded your judgements, how has what he had stated not made any sense to you?

>> No.15359896

>>15359883
You have two degrees in stem and you're adapting Empedocles in an argument for good and evil as substance?

>> No.15359908

>>15359896
No, my argument is much more complex than that.
If I want to be more precise, I have 1 degree in STEM, but I'm almost done with second (like 15% left).
>>15359888
Why do you think I am a degenerate?

>> No.15359917

>>15356741
/thread

>> No.15359924

>>15359908
The complexity doesn't matter. There is no way you can work in a serious atomistic definition of good and evil that isn't
A. An employment of these terms in a way that is idiosyncratic. (This is why I'm guessing your schizophrenic, you've endowed these with qualities that only you recognize and that is why you treat criticisms in this thread as a personal attack)
B. Some sort of nested tautology that you simply don't recognize

>> No.15359944

>>15359924
No, my argument is more complex and based on a valid issue Henri Bergson brought up, but I explored it more while utilizing Bataille's idea of limit experience. The issue with my views is one of "mapping" that I am working out. I don't want to explore this further since someone might steal my views, but I haven't seen such a thing explored. I am just touching on it very lightly.

>> No.15359967

>>15356901
Be sure to post your manifesto here before you shoot up whatever you’re eventually going to shoot up.

>> No.15359972

>>15359944
I could guess at the trajectory of this but you clearly are pained to diverge more. You ought to know however that for all your screaming that if you're working within dual structures the first post is still right, you have failed to escape the binary.

>> No.15359974

>>15356735
I would suck her pussy and tits OP

>> No.15359992

sadism, gaining utility from someone else's utility loss

>> No.15360135

>>15359944
Lmao, how did you "utilize" limit experience? Did you watch porn while it was raining outside? You show that it's more important that an idea sticks to your name, than it is for that idea to actually be good and valid. That's an extremely pussy move. You don't have a unique and complex argument. Face it.

>> No.15360143

>>15356725
>>15356735
Good
>>15356741
>>15356746
>>15356750
Evil

>> No.15360153

>>15356849
Evil

>> No.15360159

>>15356868
Evil

>> No.15360165

>>15356883
Evil

>> No.15360170

>>15356897
Good

>> No.15360172

>>15356901
Evil

>> No.15360177

>>15356917
Evil

>> No.15360181

>>15356964
Evil

>> No.15360183

>>15356725
Unnecessary human suffering.

>> No.15360187

>>15356978
Good

>> No.15360215

>>15356741
Evil has always been associated with darkness, which is only in relation to light.

>> No.15360217

>>15357027
Good

>> No.15360219

>>15357036
Evil

>> No.15360222

>>15357043
Evil

>> No.15360224

>>15358260
Good

>> No.15360230

>>15358281
Good

>> No.15360237

>>15359627
Good

>> No.15360248

>>15356725
good is what survives in the future
evil is what gets damned into the past

>> No.15360291

>>15360248
Dinosaurs were good, mammals are still mostly evil.

>> No.15360317

>>15360291
And yet here we are, all the good dinosaurs apparently are and humanity sits atop the throne of earth

>> No.15360329

>>15356735
Nothing of human understand or thinking or experience exist outside of human understanding, obviously.

>> No.15360333

>>15360291
rest in peace dinotopia

>> No.15360336

>>15359627
Retard

>> No.15360485

>>15360291
>Dinosaurs were good
they still are and they daily give me plenty of eggs

>> No.15360499

and then, he said with odd sadness in his voice, maybe we all are beyond good and evil III: graphical adventure game

>> No.15360527

>>15360499
eroge?

>> No.15361217

>>15360159
>t. fucking idiot

>> No.15361371

Privation of Good

>> No.15361386

>>15356901
>unironic Manichean in 2020

>> No.15361393

>>15356725
Remember that sharpshooter that was a woman in the wild west? Pornography changed the class of old pilgrims into shanty town saloon sex machine. Hugh even cleaned up his act.

>Civil War never looked so beautiful

>> No.15361409

>>15356725
Just like porn I can't define it but I know it when I see it

>> No.15361471

>>15359924
every creature on this planet needs to eat other living creatures or risk starvation, every day until it dies, which it will. this is evil. the planet is a torture chamber. insipid faggot nigger.

>> No.15361484

>>15356725

Evil is that which always attempts to persist and expand.
Humans are evil, pretty much all living things are evil, the universe itself is evil.

>> No.15361486

>>15356725
Lesser evil ,pursuit of desire in spite of the self.
Greater evil ,pursuit of desire in spite of others.

>> No.15361502

>>15361484
Now we're talking.

>> No.15361520

>>15361471
Why are gnostics so cringe

>> No.15361752

>>15356725
Evil is just a human construct to explain things that are against the morals of a group, evil can also be seen as a worse version of bad.

e.g. Its bad to litter cause it makes the area look bad and contributes to climate change, whilst killing and raping (no necessary in that order) a polar bear is evil, because I like polar bears.

>> No.15361785

>>15361752
>evil is just like littering bro

retarded mutt

>> No.15361809

>>15361785
Never said littering was evil, I said it's bad. Can you even read your fucking retard!

>> No.15361832

>>15356725
>How do you define evilness?
Good question. As fas as Christianity is concerned, anything that goes against God perhaps.

>> No.15361870

>>15356725
Suffering and enslavement.

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15362309

>>15356725

Her smile is very performative and much sadder than the pornography.

>> No.15362342

>>15356725
Evil is that which thwarts the consummation of my will.

>> No.15362729
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>>15356780
hahaha

>> No.15362745

>>15359627
ding ding

>> No.15363437

>>15359627
>illustrationsofthetao.tiff

>> No.15363485

>>15356725
You posted it

That girl = evil
Playboy = evil

>> No.15363949

Evil is a term to describe something with low good. A metaphor is a bottle of watter. when full it has much watter (good) but when empty(evil) it has little watter.

>> No.15363955

>>15363949
>good is good and rape is less good

holy... is this real?

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15364137

>>15363485
Whatever schizo

>> No.15364192
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15364192

Evil is anything that corrupts and purposely destroys life and innocence

>> No.15364606

>>15363955
Rape is a perverted form of sex and sex is fundamentally good. The evil is found in the perversion of the act.

>> No.15364650

>>15364606
Eating creatures alive is the natural response to hunger. No perversion there. You don't know what you're talking about.

>> No.15366016

>>15356725
Good and evil are all about morality and insight.
Know it's wrong but do it anyway?
That's evil.
Do something that is universally considered reprehensible?
That's evil.
The idea that evil cannot exist without good or any such sentimental bullshit is a cope, though.
There are morally correct (good) and incorrect (evil) actions, but there are also things that are neither. That's one place the "insight" part comes into play.
A creature without morals (or intelligence) can neither be nor do good or evil,
and even if its actions look like either/or they still do not become such merely because a spectator thinks so.

>> No.15366467

>>15364192
What if that is you? How would you know?

>> No.15366661

>>15356750
It's 2020 and Manichaeans haven't gone extinct yet?

>> No.15366735

>>15356725
Oposite of goodness. Use logic to determine whats good and you will sudenlly know whats evil.

>> No.15366802

>>15366661
It's 2020 and their sensitivity to evil has only become more relevant, stay coping with your candy ass Ikea religion.

>> No.15366868

>>15356741
That which you resist persists.

>> No.15367084

>>15356725
>Augustine on Evil
https://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/Philosophers/Augustine/augustine_evil.html

Many people will tell you that evil is a necessary part of the world. Just ask and you can get many people to agree to a claim such as; "There cannot be good without bad." This is a metaphysical idea about the structure of reality. Part of that idea is that everything in existence must co-exist in a sort of balance or symmetry. Even though this is a popular metaphysical view, few people know how they came to hold it. It is a very old view. Before his conversion to Christianity, Augustine belonged to the The Manichean religion, a pagan cult that depicted the world as a battle ground between perfectly good creator and the perfectly evil destroyer. As he investigated the ideas of the relatively new Christian philosophy, Augustine realized that an explanation for the existence of evil must be given, or else one must accept either that god created evil and so is partly evil as well as good.

There is much more at stake in this issue than the promotion of certain religious beliefs. The question of evil raises the most fundamental of metaphysical questions; namely, what is existence? Early greek philosophers grappled with this problem by observing that nothingness (non-being) is not a self-independent state. The phrase "non-being exists" seem self-contradictory. If this is so, then there must be something in reality that necessarily exists. In other words, it is inconceivable that everything in existence would cease to be or that there was any time in the past at which there was nothing in existence at all. Something cannot come from nothing, so there must be something that exists always. This area of philosophy continues to present and is currently known as Ontology (the study of being).

Think now about the general concept of God as creator and sustainer of reality. God fits the above ontological concerns by providing the idea of a source of being that is eternal and necessary to existence. Whatever one's religious beliefs, it is hard to dispose of this basic insight. Even modern physics has this idea built into the Laws of Thermodynamics: matter cannot be created or destroyed. Ontologically this states that there is a necessary structure to the universe such that some aspect of it is necessary to existence itself.

The existence of evil poses a problem for this picture of reality as based on necessary being. Evil is typically associated with destruction and nothingness. If we allow that the evil of the world on the same level as the good of the world, then we buy into the dual-nature idea that being and non-being (existence and nothingness) coexist. Augustine sought to explain the idea of one ideal God (being) without evil. The result is a strikingly original and powerful conception of reality. Understanding his solution to the problem of evil can affect many aspects of your thought.

>> No.15367128

Christianity also teaches that evil results from disuniting with God's will. God's will is, of course, expressed in his laws of the Old Testament era; but, it is newly expressed in the teachings of Christ, especially in his teaching of love, which is the whole of the law. But people commit moral evil (sin) by disobeying God's will. God, as an omnipotent and benevolent God, created humanity and the whole world as good creatures (Genesis 1:31), but humans, as well as angels, were given free will or free choice of the will (liberum arbitrium). Unlike Judaism, Christianity teaches that Satan was never created as a bad angel of temptation from the beginning but as a good angel with free will. That good angel among other angels, however, fell through free will in disobedience to God's will, thus becoming Satan. The fall of Adam and Eve centering on Satan consisted in their volitional disobedience to God's commandment not to eat of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. The sin of Adam and Eve has been inherited to all their offspring as "original sin," which is so binding that humans are in depravity, having lost much of their ability to choose to follow God, and therefore, are in need of Christ's grace and forgiveness. According to Augustine, natural evils take place as a rebellion of nature against humans because humans have rebelled against God. This Augustinian position is a standard view in Christianity on the relationship between moral and natural evil. But a question arises: Why is it that an omnipotent and good God did not prevent evil from occurring? A variety of answers have been given to this theodicy question. Augustine's free-will defense, developed during the time of his involvement with the Manichaean controversy, is based on his understanding that rational creatures are endowed with free will. But, another answer given by him argues in a largely Neo-Platonic way, that evil is far from serious because it is simply "privation of good" (privatio boni), "non-substance" (non substantia), or "non-being" (non esse). It led him to say that evil, as understood this way, does not necessarily contradict the goodness and omnipotence of God.

>> No.15367875

>>15356725
beats me

>> No.15368124

>>15360336
Yes. You are one.

>> No.15368463

>>15356725
How is Playboy still in business?