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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x2cZ6i0Y6VU

Last time I said Sahih International was the translation for conveying the clarity of the Qur'an, as clear as the purest stream. The objections were poor, one about past tense being translated as present tense in one example (which I pointed out us because Arabic uses past for imperfect tense, whereas English uses present, so to translate imperfect tense present tense should be used unless it's obvious from context, e.g., "O you who have believed"). Another contention was it used the form "expander" for Allah with the universe instead of the form of other translations using "vastness". This is in fact more literal, the older translations, prior to the big bang being widely accepted, used vastness and so forth because that was what it seemed to mean as an expanding universe was taken as a way of saying expanse.

Now as for Arberry, I said he conveys the eloquence of the Qur'an the best because his style is closest to the Arabic. Arabic words uses a much greater variety of cosonants, contractions and portmanteau than English (when spoken; in writing there isn't often a change, but Arabic writing is extremely economical, for example Muhammad is spelled محمد , mhmd). Therefore the rhythm is difficult to translate as English is much more long-winded (of course in recitation, specific vowels, more often cosonants, are elongated--it's called tajweed, similar to Catholic liturgical cantillation)

Here is Arberry's Fatiha. You can compare the rhythm to the Arabic linked below with Sahih International translation (the innovation against Satan at the beginning is customary, not part of the text).

>In the Name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
>Praise belongs to God, the Lord of all Being,
>the All-merciful, the All-compassionate,
>the Master of the Day of Doom.
Compare the above verse to the Arabic rhythm
>Thee only we serve; to Thee alone we pray For succour.
>Guide us in the straight path, the path of those whom Thou hast blessed,
>not of those against whom Thou art wrathful,
>nor of those who are astray.

The line breaks mostly signify pauses in recitation, which is between each ayah.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-PqP0BCiTlE

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>>15316241
fuck off. religion posters must die. especially you pedo rapist enablers

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Sample of the Sahih International

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>>15316311
shove it up your backside

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Arberry's

>> No.15316839

>>15316311
I wipe my arse with your hadith.

>> No.15316886

>>15316262
>>15316320
>>15316839
Seething kafir dog

>> No.15316918

The koran is a corrupted book. It has been changed!

>> No.15317666

>>15316886
This. That sad disbeliever would stay as quiet as a mouse and piss his pants in the company of Mujahideen.

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>>15317666
>an unarmed person would keep quiet in the presence of armed terrorists
gosh really satan. is this the power of allah that he needs ak-47s to enforce his laws?
i'm in a muslim country right now, actually.

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>>15317708
Where did I say X was unarmed and Y was armed? Who said terrorists? Who said ak-47’s? Stop embarrassing yourself, kid.

>> No.15317735

>>15316918
t. polytheist Christian who worships the heavily interpolated Bible as “inerrant”

>> No.15317746

>>15317708
>I live in a Muslim country hurrrrr
>probably lives in some Liberal one like Turkey

Go to a Saudi Arabia and say what you have said here in the company of even 1 unarmed person and see what happens. Don’t act tough online, boy.

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I remember when I was an ignorant disbeliever and repeatedly parroted this ignorance and slander against Islam. So embarrassing

>> No.15317797

>>15317730
mujahideen are terrorists. nobody apart from the most brainwashed goatfucker would believe otherwise.
>kid
>>15317746
>boy
woo you're all so grown up aren't you. you're probably some 18 year old ginger fucknut who converted to islam because you were bullied at school and hate your parents. in a few years you'll grow out of your new fad and wonder why you spent the remains of your precious youth on something just because you believed it was "trad" or "based" or whatever. idiot.
>Go to a Saudi Arabia
i've been there. worked there for a few months. it's the most boring fucking place in the whole world. not going again, thanks anyway.

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>>15317797
Every claim you just made was incorrect, 10/10 for the effort and syntax though, kid.
Yeah, I said go to Saudi Arabia and say the same things you said here, kek. No one asked where you worked, boy. Also stop projecting. Islam will rule the world soon enough and I can’t wait to see disbelievers such as yourself either take your Shahada or the unfortunate alternative.

>> No.15317951

>>15317771
You'll cringe again in a few years when you're tired of being muslim

>> No.15318761

>>15317797
>mujahideen are terrorists
No more than any other military