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1531044 No.1531044 [Reply] [Original]

Why is it that a cartoon book for children moves me more than your current run-of-the-mill flavor of the month best-seller bullshit?

>> No.1531047

because Franzen is perfect for phonies.

>> No.1531052

>>1531047
Catcher in the Rye is for phonies

>> No.1531057

>>1531052
.... Is what the phonies cry as Holden points out their hypocrisy.

>> No.1531061

>>1531057
>>1531052

Topic, bitches

>> No.1531064

Catcher in The Rye is not social commentary. It is the story of a very lost, very isolated young man. You may identify with him, but ultimately his view of the world is not accurate, its distorted by his breakdown.

>> No.1531065
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>>1531064
>Catcher in The Rye is not social commentary
>he only got the first layer!

>> No.1531069

>>1531065

My love, listen to me. No, i didn't. Its not a novel of meta-narrative, its a simplistic story. Read some real literature, then roll back over here and tell me something I'd need to hear

>> No.1531073

>>1531069
Catcher is among the greatest American novels ever written. If Salinger isn't 'real literature' then I don't know what it.

>> No.1531075

>>1531073
>greatest American novels
>American novels
>literature

>> No.1531076

>>1531073
Salinger is a whiny bitch and so are you.

>> No.1531077

>>1531076
>Salinger is a whiny bitch and so are you.
is what the phonies cry!

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/Latest-News-Wires/2011/0127/J.D.-Salinger-letters-reveal-a-more
-human-side

^ nope Salinger sounds more like a great guy than the bitter pretentious outcast you wish he was.

>> No.1531078

Where's that "The Objectivist tree" pic?

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>>1531078
dont have it but this makes me remember good times on /new/.

>> No.1531540

Sadly, Sallinger IS great American literature. It's the story of a self-involved poorly educated little wannabe who imitates his brother, and thinks its cool because his brother is in Hollywood, but then calls everyone else out for being phonies.

Its a pretty accurate reflection of the American identity - Hypocritical, egotistical, self-involved, and finding solace in mental illness when their view of the world simply does not come anywhere near to reality.

>> No.1531554

>>1531540
>and thinks its cool because his brother is in Hollywood
how about you stop embarrassing yourself in catcher threads now?

so easy to spot a phony on this board, just bring up holden and gauge their reaction xD

>> No.1531561

>>1531554

That was a coherent and compresensive counter-arguement.

>> No.1531566

>>1531080
I dunno if you agree with your pic or not, but it is one big fat load of strawman.

>> No.1531597

>>1531080
You realize that sort of self-victimization doesn't help people take you seriously, right? Especially when they're things easily perpetrated the other way around.

>> No.1531605

>>1531566
>>1531597
>herp

>> No.1531609

>>1531597
Every group tends to self-victimize themselves. It's just basic sociological theory at work.

On the other hand, no one victimizes themselves quite like conservatives. Maybe I'm just biased :/

>> No.1531624

>>1531605
I'm blown away by your sharp wit.

>> No.1531641

>>1531624
since you're obviously one of those two posters you're not so sharp yourself.

>> No.1531650

>>1531609
Conservatives don't victimize themselves nearly as much as liberals. You are seriously biased.

>> No.1531652

>>1531641
Then it appears that everything that can't be expressed in greentext or in a jpeg is just beyond your reach.

>> No.1531657

>>1531650
Quid Pro Quo.

>> No.1531661

>>1531044
Because we have forgotten how to write from the heart.

>> No.1531668

Because trashy bestsellers have never been good. Why would you ask such an obvious question

>> No.1531684

>>1531650
Eh... there's still some weird belief among people that academics are privileged in our discourse, that there really is a PC police, and that the common man gets marginalized for the big city slick talker. I am pretty sure none of these are true.