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Well anons? Who's on level 4?

>> No.15306571
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15306571

Bro like just live lol

>> No.15306572

>>15306555
Everything on that picture is part of the canon

>> No.15306575

>>15306555
Jackie Chan
Stalin
Mao
Pol Pot

>> No.15306578

>>15306555
why would anyone read marx? lmao

>> No.15306759

>>15306572
No there is in fact only 4 authors in the Western philosophical canon

>> No.15306766

>>15306555
>Kierkegaard not being Hegel's antithesis

>> No.15306769

>>15306766
Kierkegaard was a Hegelian though

>> No.15306771

>>15306555
>Stirner not being Hegel's antithesis.

>> No.15306778

>>15306555
I own a book on Plato and his views are mind shattering. I do not even see how pagans could view religon as anything but pure bullshit before euthyphro.

>> No.15306780

That pic is accurate as fuck. I'm at level 4 with Marx.

>> No.15306784

>>15306555
Hegel and Marx are pretty gay.
Marx should be read of course, but Hegel is a pretentious retard.
Maybe I only think that because I'm a pseud though.

>> No.15306787

>>15306571
You live in righteousness and I live in righteousneess and we will all follow the path of goodness and righteousness and no more hatred or insultds.

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>>15306780
Sorry anon, Marx is only a level 3 thinker. To get to level 4 you need to tackle pic related

>> No.15306790

>>15306784
You are right to think in that way since Marx has a love and hate relationship with Hegel's philosophy.

>> No.15306795

>>15306555
wouldnt the antithesis of an antithesis simply be the original thesis, or do i need to take my meds

>> No.15306796

>>15306790
Without Marx and the left wing, you would be working 24 hours a daty for your caputalist masters. Thank him for caring about everyone and especially for you,

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>>15306795
no you need to read Hegel

>> No.15306801

Dont you need to need read Hume before Kant? And then Locke before Hume?

>> No.15306806

>>15306801
Hume and Locke are both worthwhile but really Kant has more than enough secondary lit to tackle without most of the prerequisite readings.

>> No.15306808

>>15306555
I guess Whitehead for the first one (but actually reading him) and maybe Russel or some of the Semioticians, Deleuze and Guattari (but actually reading them), Wittgenstein (but actually reading him), Zizek (but actually reading him)

>> No.15306812

>>15306801
It is better to read the man that awoke Kant from his dogmatic slumber, certainly.

>> No.15306813

>>15306801
Not really since Kant puts a mayor emphasis in reason and not in experience. Hence the name of the book, Critique of Pure Reason. But a previous reading of empiricist authors comes in handy as well, as great secondary source.

>> No.15306822

Anons this is my chart, please use it respectfully

>> No.15306827

>>15306788
How is this frog important? if anything he's just a postmodern thinker in the sense of having a preference over the change in the structure of established systems. He wrote some nice books about Spinoza and Hume but nothing mind blowing.

>> No.15306833

>>15306827
He completed the system of French materialism

>> No.15306843

What's so special about Marx? He's a boring materialist.

>> No.15306845

>>15306843
boring materialism has been the basis of the past 150 years of philosophy

>> No.15306864

>>15306796
How on earth would you come to this conclusion? Of course Marx cared about the workers, but there were socialists and fighters for workers rights before him and non-marxist socialists and fighter for workers rights after him.

>> No.15306865

>>15306843
He offers some good points on why materialism should be considered as an essential part of man and not something completely detached from him.
For instance, what separates us from certain animals is that we create or fabricate the materials that supply our needs.

>> No.15306872

>>15306864
Marx put an emphasis on the exploited workers, or in this case, alienated men.

>> No.15306887

>>15306796
That's a myth. We would have the exact same rights even if Marx had never existed.

>> No.15306894

All I know is Guenon is rank 0 because you don't even need to bother opening his books in the first place

>> No.15306897

>>15306778
Isn't that the point of these charts? Make people read Plato first and then they'll never need to read anything else.

>> No.15306902

Why does Deleuze like Spinoza so much?

>> No.15306905

>>15306555
my diary desu

>> No.15306931
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>>15306902
Pure rational philosopher, whereas Descartes has some bad theories such as the evil demon.

>> No.15306943

>>15306931
the evil demon wasn't a theory, it was a thought experiment

>> No.15306950

>>15306864
If you dislike Marx and Socialism then go back to worj abd be a slave to the jewish goyim.

>> No.15306955

Would Wittgenstein be level 4? I feel like he's level 3 but idk where he would fit

>> No.15306956

>>15306555
>Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas Aquinas are the antitheses of Aristotle
???
>Kirerkegaard and Heidegger are the antitheses of Saint Augustine and Saint Thomas Aquinas
??????
>>15306578
To better know and understand marxist thinkers and actually having an argument against them. He also created a good part of the terminology we use nowadays on economics sciences and political philosophy, and this counts both for the left and the right, so there's no avoiding it.

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>> No.15306962

>>15306555
>Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz
That's a recipe for not leaving the basement

>> No.15306964

>>15306958
literally who

>> No.15306965

>>15306555
Marx is not an antithesis to Hegel

>> No.15306968

>>15306955
Wittgenstein would be with Plato or Aristotle.

>> No.15307266

>>15306964
>he pretends not to know based terry
fuck off glownigger

>> No.15307278

>Wittgenstein/Whitehead
>Derrida
>Deleuze
>Schmitt/Schelling/Zizek

>> No.15307284

>>15307266
You clearly don't. Terry thought he was channeling God, why would you put him under Nietzsche?

>> No.15307289

>>15307284
hes got the facts

>> No.15307317

>>15306571
wu wei and smoke the sticky my brother, you know what I mean?
Like the emptiness synthesizes the masculine and the feminine, the yin and the yang brother, and therefor it is the source of the ten thousand things. No I can't explain it with words.. you just kinda have to.. like get it dude.

>> No.15307332

>>15307284
>thought

>> No.15307352

>>15306578
Why not?

>> No.15307362

>>15306555
Bataille, Freud, Whitehead, Russell (not in order)

>> No.15307368

>>15306555
riting the ritten

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>>15307317
This but unironically. Liberation from conceptual reality is the first step towards true understanding.

>> No.15308662

>>15306571
Fpbp

>> No.15308672

>>15306555
>philosophy
LOL

>> No.15308691

>>15306571
Great man lead army,
kill many for take city,
much blood for the fleeting happy.

Poet spend life
in sentences and lines,
forgotten like wind of yesterday.

Meanwhile the me (that's not me)
sing the tao (that's not tao)
like the cricket (that's not cricket)
chirp at night (that is morning).

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who level 5?
me

>> No.15309004

>>15306956
>arguing with marxoids
lol nah

>> No.15309014

>>15308994
Stirnerites are level 0, their myopia would perplex Dunning Kruger.

>> No.15309079

>>15309014
you might want to check your eyesight

>> No.15309775

>>15309014
Yep, Stirner, Guenon, and Evola are all level 0

>> No.15311188

>>15309014
This.
Absolute dipshits.

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>>15306555
me

>> No.15311243

>>15306555

>Leibniz
>Antithesis to Spinoza

What?

>> No.15311245

>>15306571
the translations of this vary waaay to much

>> No.15311254

>>15306555
all their moms

>> No.15311305

>>15306799
No, you need to read hegel
Ik hegel never uses the words antithesis and synthesis, but the antithesis of antithesis is just the thesis and "level 3" in the OP is a synthesis, which then produces a new antithesis

>>15306555
Why the fuck are the presocratics portrayed as following plato?

>> No.15311325

>>15306555
U.G. "just don't think" krishmanadabanananda

>> No.15311349

>>15306843
you can't really understand the faults of capitalism and communism without reading marky marx

>> No.15311365

>>15311349
Marx is super easy to understand. I literally read Communist Manifesto in high school and understood at a deep level. He shouldn’t be at hard level.

>> No.15311379

>>15311365
>I literally read Communist Manifesto in high school and understood at a deep level
are you fucking serious right now lmao

>> No.15311392

>>15311379
How much of a brainlet are you to not understand Marx when he writes so simply and clearly and his ideas are simple though radical?

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>>15311305
>Ik hegel never uses the words antithesis and synthesis
what? yes he does lmao. he doesn't use Fichte's schema of thesis-antithesis-synthesis, but he certainly uses the words antithesis and synthesis. antithesis is like one of his favorite words
>but the antithesis of antithesis is just the thesis and "level 3" in the OP is a synthesis, which then produces a new antithesis
no this is Fichte, how did you fuck this all up so badly?? read Hegel you fucking plebeian

>> No.15311408

>>15311392
but why would you even make that reply, it makes no sense

>> No.15311411

>>15306555
Goonan

>> No.15311413

Wittgenstein

>> No.15311420

>>15311408
Because Marx’s ideas wasn’t that special or original, or even difficult to understand. In fact, it was because of a mixture of all three why it was so influential.

>> No.15311421

>>15306813
Kant is pretty much replying to Hume and Hume is probably the singly most important read before Kant

>> No.15311437

>>15311420
Influential to the laymen I’ll add

>> No.15311441

>>15311421
To be totally honest, if you just want to understand the words Kant uses, read Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, ect. Although Kant was "awoken" by Hume's objections, his writing is still strictly continental, and for the most part he doesn't adopt Hume terms (he didn't even have translations of all of Hume's work)

>> No.15311447

>>15311365
>I literally read Communist Manifesto in high school
Read it again, just the intro, and you'll see why the other anon thinks you're an idiot.

>> No.15311453

>>15307332
Fine, Terry was channeling God, was he some kind of psychic medium at large?

>> No.15311461

>>15311447
Bro, are you seriously debating fucking Marx’s writing and ideas is hard to understand? You may actually be low IQ, unfortunate to say.

>> No.15311491

>>15311420
but what does that have to do with my reply, did you even read it?

>> No.15311512

>>15306555
How is Nietszche the antithesis of Heraclitus? He's more similar to Heraclitus than he is Plato

>> No.15311526

>>15311512
he's more like the sophists than either of them

>> No.15311537

>>15306555
>Aquinas
>Aristotle's Antithesis

>> No.15311590

>>15306555
level 4 is slamming you dick in a book real hard

>> No.15311666

Scheler and Strauss
Lévinas and Derrida
Hume and Kant
Lyotard and Deleuze

>> No.15312045

>>15311512
Sorry anons, it's not perfect, philosophers don't actually have antitheses. Some of them work better than others. At the very least, I tried to group it in such a way that each of the groups are in conversation with one another. I was also limited by the fact I only wanted to include relevant philosophers and skip the memes like Stirner. If I redid it I would fit Hume in there somehow, although I don't know how to do that without making a fifth column.

>> No.15312056

>>15307352
because he's a retarded bugman commie who hated anything not productive and/or rich.

>> No.15312063

>>15312045
Then why don't you just make it about them having a conversation instead of pretending a bunch of people are antithetical when they're not

>> No.15312167

>>15312063
because it's a meme chart I made it in like 15 mins

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>>15306575
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.15312185

>>15312167
I wouldn't brag about that

>> No.15312251

>>15312185
I was literally apologizing

>> No.15312256

>>15312251
Well stuff your sorries in a sack.

>> No.15312262

>>15312185
>>15312256
rude

>> No.15312294

>>15312262
I know you are but what am I?

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>>15312256

>> No.15312517

>>15306571
Level 0

>> No.15312535

>>15306958
leave fuckin terry alone you faggots

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Marcuse, Rawls, Arendt, and Foucault

>> No.15312632

>>15306887
This. The advances of rights within our capitalist "system" occured because capitalism is ever changing, ever evolving, and through this evolution most business owners and western governments realize that when your workers are well educated, well rested, well fed, and otherwise treated like humans, they do a lot higher quality work than impoverished slaves.

>> No.15312637

>>15306958
Replace Davis with Icycalm and you're good to go

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I would add Willaim Blake as a level 3 antithesis to Plato.

>> No.15312685

>>15312637
Go home alex

>> No.15312692

>>15312685
Uhhh his name is Anthony

>> No.15312999

>>15312692
No, his name is.... JOHN CENA xDD

>> No.15313038

>>15306778
I get this feeling that Plato will be interpreted and re-interpreted for multiple millennia to come. Truly a timeless author.

>> No.15313096

Baudrillard is the antithesis of Neechee
MacIntyre is the antithesis of K/H
Deleuze is the antithesis of Leibniz
Zizek is the antithesis of Marx

>> No.15313106

>>15306555
>St. Aquinas is Aristotles antitheses
what?

>> No.15313152

>>15306571
Whoa...that's pretty fuckin' deep......pass the J, dawg.

>> No.15313418

>>15311245
Classical Chinese grammar is almost nonexistent. Texts are just long strings of nouns. The Dao De Jing is Classical Chinese wordplay. It's essentially untranslatable without huge additions by the translator.

>> No.15313447

>>15306766
>Schopenhauer not being Hegel antithesis.

>> No.15313807

>>15313096
where is nick land

>> No.15313815

>>15313807
He only asked for level 4

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>>15312692

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>>15306956
> To better know and understand marxist thinkers and actually having an argument against them
Why would I do that if I can just read pic related

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>>15311453
Who needs psychic powers when you built TempleOS?