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Someone whose actually bothered to read the books by the member's of the frankfurt school of Social and political theorists spoonfeed me what books in pic related are about

>> No.15289577

>>15289551
Hello new friend, please try keeping requests about books in /r/books, which can be found through >>>/lit/rbooks

To give you a helping hand >>15288613 is the current request general thread. Have fun!!!

>> No.15290253
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15290253

>>15289551
basically capitalism bad, 90 percent of working class men are obedient cucks who want to be pegged by fascist women and konrad adenauer was nu-hitler. also fuck jazz music.

>> No.15291292

>>15289551
it's basically the 'redpill' but not retard jews control everything kind of redpill but that everyone is controlled by capital and markets, mind body and soul.

>> No.15291350

>>15289551
They're not exactly a monolith, despite what many on this board will tell you (likely because all they know of the frankfurt school is what /pol/ has taught them to regurgitate). That said, only a few are actually worth your attention– Bejamin, Adorno, and Horkheimer, maybe Habermas too.

>> No.15291406

>>15291350
>likely because all they know of the frankfurt school is what /pol/ has taught them to regurgitate

there's currently a thread on /pol/ where they're unsure what falls under the definition of "liberal"

the one who trusts them with anything is really a lost cause

>> No.15291424

>>15291292
So they merely regurgitated what Marx said ?

>> No.15291426

>>15291406
>unsure what falls under the definition of "liberal"
tbeh that is a perfectly fine question these days, especially if you consider that in mutt vocabulary it was perverted even further

>> No.15291435

>>15290253
Based. Where do i sign up?

>> No.15291531

>>15291424
They sought to explain what Marx could not. Marx more or less claimed that inequality would become so severe and blatant that the workers would have nothing to lose, revolt, and establish a state that benefits them, but critical theory does as the name implies, and critically analyzes everything. Real, organic culture can't exist in capitalism for example. Only bastardized and repackaged versions presented in film and music. Consumerism exists, and critically theory might analyze who it benefits and what it's purpose is. I believe some of it is written on false consciousness.

Let's give the working-class (normies) a dopamine addiction, and make money off of it.

>> No.15291985

>>15290253
>fuck jazz music
Why is this?

>> No.15292005

>>15291985
Adorno didn't like commercial big band jazz and wrote angrily about it. I imagine he'd pop a vein or two if he saw the current music industry.

>> No.15292060

>>15291424
No, Frankfurt school critical theory was an attempt to understand why many predictions by Marxists had failed to come to fruition by the 1930s as well as the degeneration of the USSR.
>>15291985
Jazz (specifically the commercial kind performed and composed by whites) was the leading edge of the culture industry in music, standardizing and simplifying music for easier economic exploitation. Adorno was very passionate about music so jazz likely annoyed him more than movies did, but in his time it was not any different from the broader culture industry.

>> No.15292080

>>15291292
>it's basically the 'redpill' but not the redpill at all

>> No.15292087

>>15292060
>oy vey white music bad
yikes, hard pass

>> No.15292103

>>15292087
Adorno's taste in good music was exclusively white. It just so happens that the culture industry also excluded blacks from mainstream commercial jazz. Adorno probably didn't care for black jazz either but insofar as it was not part of the culture industry, it wasn't much of a problem.

>> No.15292191

>>15292080
Ok NOT /pol/, I'm using your terminology to describe and condense critical theory, as understanding contemporary life to be controlled by forces made by humanity, but not controlled by humanity itself. Understanding that capital controls the media, and by default human minds and desires, including but not limited to Jews.

>nooo its only da jooz i swear just look at this persons surname
Historically speaking, there's way more evidence of a vast Anglo conspiracy rather than a Jewish one.
>>15292103
>bargaining with /pol/
These people idiots who come here to confirm their biases, but get mad when they learn they're retards. One of these theorists was almost obsessed with old German poetry, and could recite it by memory, but I forget who.

>> No.15292221

>>15291985

because jazz is based and adorko is not

>> No.15292233

>>15289551
fromm is the only based one

>> No.15292273

>>15292221
Never read more than a few pages of Adorno, but I don't think he would have disliked Coltrane or Mingus, he was more triggered by the commoditization of music, i.e. Nicki Minaj

>> No.15292286

>>15292191
>These people idiots who come here to confirm their biases
But the problem is, you are engaging in the same kind of polemicism you are accusing the hypothetical them of. He very might well be like that, but to assume so is to engage in the same slimy binary.

>> No.15292292

>>15292286
shut up liberal

>> No.15292340

>>15292286
I'm sorry you're right i'll be nicer next time /pol/ posts things like >>15292087

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>>15292340
It's probably a LessWrongfag, leave him in his misery.

>> No.15292524

I haven't read any for a long time but basically the idea is the world is unlivable for humans in its current state, lots of ideas are alluded to in support of this idea in very violent rhetorical language. Marx's concept of alienation is the most important, but ruskin and arnold are also key predecessors. Once this premises has been laid out philosophers of this type of won the rhetorical game, since literally any alternative they might propose is preferable. The positive side of the program is largely Hegelian wank. I don't understand why pol hates them they can be used to support basically any extremist anti-modernity position.