So now that the dust has settled

[Anonymous No.15270741]

Can we agree it was blasphemous

[Anonymous No.15270746]

>he places himself in heaven and all non catholics in hell
based

[Anonymous No.15270804]

>>15270741
>>he places himself in heaven
except he doesn't. He never died

[Anonymous No.15270810]

>>15270741
>Can we agree it was blasphemous
No, the Catholic Church would have condemned it and excommunicated Dante

[Anonymous No.15270833]

>>15270810
Yes, the unfallible Catholic Church
How is describing matters of heaven and hell which are beyond your comprehension not blasphemous, might as well write your own gospel while you're at it

[Anonymous No.15270883]

>>15270833
>How is describing matters of heaven and hell
>Describing
It's a personal allegory from sin to salvation. No one ever claimed it as canon. Did you even read it? This is genuinely one of the worst takes I have ever read on /lit/

[Anonymous No.15270894]

>>15270741
it not blasphemous because it does not claim to be true.
but if it claims to describe heaven and hell then it is.

[Anonymous No.15270907]

>>15270741

I suspect we'll be agreeing with Bloom, rather than with you, because you're probably just quoting him. (I doubt you've read it.)

Bloom is right though. It is indeed deeply blasphemous.

Dante really did think that Beatrice saved his soul. Beatrice. Not Christ or God or anyone or anything else. It's such a stupendous claim that no-one takes him seriously. But there is no evidence whatsoever that he was faking it.

[Anonymous No.15270911]

>>15270883
>It's a personal allegory
What a weak escape. Of course it's an underlying theme, doesn't change the fact he gives him the liberty to describe 3 planes of God's creation he had no contact with

[Anonymous No.15270929]

>>15270911
>What a weak escape.
Not a weak escaper because its true
>doesn't change the fact he gives him the liberty to describe 3 planes of God's creation
He's not describing anything but his own conception of Heaven, Hell and Purgatory. Again, he never claimed it as canon and the church never taught it as canon

[Anonymous No.15270969]

>>15270907
>Dante really did think that Beatrice saved his soul.
Never read Bloom on The Divine Comedy, but that is stupid. Beatrice was Dante's guide to the beatific vision, not the beatific vision itself. Perhaps Dante pushed the conflation of Beatrice and Divine Revelation too far. That said, Beatrice in the Divine Comedy wasn't even the real Beatrice of Vita Nuova. The same way her counterpart Virgil wasn't the real Virgil, just a representation of the pinnacle of human reason

[Anonymous No.15272037]

>>15270929
Purgatory is not a biblical concept. Point to where they mention it in the bible.

[Anonymous No.15272324]

>>15270907
>beatrice was a real woman

[Anonymous No.15272558]

>>15272037
It isn’t in the Bible, but to deny purgatory is to deny God's mercy

[Anonymous No.15272796]

>>15272558
>I need to fill gaps for God to make him fit my view of righteousness

[Anonymous No.15272909]

>>15272037
Usually apologists use Jesus' saying in Matthew I think where he talks about an indebted man only leaving prison after paying every single penny. It fits pretty well.

[Anonymous No.15273267]

>>15270741
purgatory doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.15273278]

>>15272324
Beatrice is literally a woman he met when he was young, that he was too much of a limp wrist fuck to ask out, so it was always platonic.

[Anonymous No.15273288]

>>15270741
>planes of reality look like a pizza
fuckin italians

[Anonymous No.15273410]

>>15270741
yes, it is. if anything because he places mutiple popes and cardinals in hell. but mostly becuase he mixes an aristicratic warlike morality with the christian one. this is why he often sympatizes with the damned guilty only from a christian perspective like paolo and francesca.
>>15270833
in the middle ages the church was much more liberal than after the coarse, iconoclat lutheran heresy.
>>15273278
beatrice symbolizes theology you simpleton.

[Anonymous No.15273428]

>>15272037
The place where there is gnashing of teeth isnt hell

[Anonymous No.15273440]

>>15273278
why are you so sure this wasnt a literary tradition that was added later. beatrice just means joy bringer.

[Anonymous No.15273482]

>>15273440
no, dante recalls it in the vita nova. she was beatrice portinari, but for dante is above all a symbol (indeed he saw her 2 times). as well as laura for petrarch.

[Anonymous No.15273682]

>>15272796

[Anonymous No.15274040]

>>15273482
Dante understood the importance of a muse. His genius willed her into existence so that even hundreds of years later she seems real