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[Anonymous No.15262257]

Enlighten me on love
>Does it exist or not?

[Anonymous No.15262269]

>>15262257
Yes it does. Many edgelords will say "duhhh its just chemicals duhhh" yeah? Pretty much all of your emotions are chemicals doesnt mean they are useless. Love is a beautiful thing but true love is hard to find.

[Anonymous No.15262303]

>>15262257
NO, IT DOESN'T. THE ONLY THING THAT EXISTS IS PAIN AND DEATH AND THE TAUNTING FACE OF THAT LARDASS BASTARD.

[Anonymous No.15262388]

>>15262257
>but true love is hard to find

this is nonsense, people say this only to set up their future relationship as something special and some ride that wave until they eventually die

go out, the first girl you kick it off with has the same credibility to be the love of your life as the next one, don't make things more complicated than they should be

[Anonymous No.15262553]

>Listen Morty, I hate to break it to you, but what people call “love” is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed. It hits hard, Morty, then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage. I did it. Your parents are gonna do it. Break the cycle, Morty. Rise above. Focus on science.

-Soren Kierkegaard.

[Anonymous No.15262561]

>>15262257
It is a feeling. Feeling it is evidence that it exists, in the same way that sensing a sense is evidence that it exists, regardless of whether it represents something external to itself.

[Anonymous No.15262564]

>>15262257
Those who have to ask have never been in love. If you find yourself in love one day, you’ll realize what a silly question that was.

[Anonymous No.15262580]

>>15262564
t. has never been in love

[Anonymous No.15262661]

>>15262257
It's real, yes.

[Anonymous No.15262694]

>>15262553
>>15262553
PICKEL RIIIIIIIIIKIERKE

[Anonymous No.15262708]

>>15262257
No, "love" is oxytocin and other chemicals. The mind then makes up an illusory story about the sensations and stimulus. Love is not real and not humanly possible.

[Anonymous No.15262717]

>>15262564
honestly this

[Anonymous No.15262720]

>>15262708
>chemicals are not real

[Anonymous No.15262721]

>>15262257
Yes
>>15262708
Reality is not reducible to logic. You will never be able to quantify everything you can't understand, although it is quite possible you are incapable of being loved.

[Anonymous No.15262727]

>>15262257
Absolutely, I am a master of producing love. This grants me incredible metaphysical powers.

[Anonymous No.15262737]

>>15262694
Is there rule 34 of Morty just having a little ol taste of Pickle Rick? I imagine so.

[Anonymous No.15262756]

>>15262257
Love is true for women but not men. Men only think in terms of the physical when it comes to women, not in any stretch of the Neptunian imagination.

[Anonymous No.15262774]

>>15262708
So anger doesn’t exist because it’s just my amygdala acting up right?

[Anonymous No.15262790]

>>15262708
depression does not exist because its chemicals

[Anonymous No.15262794]

>>15262756
Never been in love, eh?

[Anonymous No.15262797]

>>15262721
>Reality is not reducible to logic
Cope

[Anonymous No.15262800]

>>15262756
speak for yourself

[Anonymous No.15262801]

>>15262794
I’m not a woman, so no.

[Anonymous No.15262808]

Love exists, but there's no love at first sight -- that would be lust.

Love comes from being with someone for an extended period and developing emotional bonds.

[Anonymous No.15262838]

>>15262756
literally the opposite roastie, too bad god didnt grant women a soul for you to understand

[Anonymous No.15262846]

>>15262797
>t. autist
No one that is eighteen or older holds the things that happen to fit inside their heads in such high regard. It's ok though, you'll see a that you're not Captain Spock pretty quickly once you graduate high school.

[Anonymous No.15262848]

>>15262774
>>15262790
>Liking someone, being angry at someone, being
Exist.
>MY ONE TRUE LOVE. MY PRINCE CHARMING. MY MORTAL ARCH NEMESIS. MY PERSONAL DEMONS MAKING ME FEEL SAD.
These are fabrications that do not exist, and attempt to create narratives on the chemicals that do exist.
Hope that helps!

[Anonymous No.15262895]

>>15262848
>dude life is not real the brain is just chemicals that's why I choose not to live!
Cope for the midwit incapable of feeling love. How does it feel knowing a genuine brainlet will lead a more fulfilling life than you?

[Anonymous No.15262904]

Only between men in times of hardship.

[Anonymous No.15262913]

>>15262257
Sure it does, and it’s not just chemicals. The actual experience of love is not chemicals, it is experience. Even if you read a chart of the chemicals associated with love, you are not in love because of that, and you do not know love because of that. Sure there is a correlation between the chemicals and the experience of love, but that doesn’t make them one and the same.

[Anonymous No.15262925]

>>15262257
The question is tricky because for most people it does not. They'll live their entire lives without any semblance of emotional depth or genuine catharsis. You can think that I'm wrong but the world wouldn't be the way that it is if this wasn't true. Ultimately, this>>15262913

[Anonymous No.15262938]

>>15262801
Then all love poetry doesn't exit.

[Anonymous No.15263030]

>>15262848
I wouldn’t say love is forever, but it does exist.

[Anonymous No.15263176]

>>15262848
Surely, ones personal demons might be what causes the chemicals that causes sadness no?

[Anonymous No.15263210]

>>15262708
Chemicals are chemicals. Only because the mind experiences what it refers to as love when those chemicals are in place, does not make the two the same. When people talk of love they talk about the experience of love, which you surely can not deny exists, not the chemicals released in the brain.

[Anonymous No.15263259]

>>15262257
Need to breed + pair bonding
also, you need to be at least 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.15263282]

>>15262846
>everybody else doesn't so you are wrong
>you are underage therefore you are wrong
>you are autistic therefore you are wrong

[Anonymous No.15263287]

I'm 22 and I've never even kissed a girl.
I'll never find love...

[Anonymous No.15263291]

>>15262257
>Enlighten me on love
>>Does it exist or not?
Well obviously you fucking retard. Just read the Timaeus.

[Anonymous No.15263321]

>>15263282
If you are underage then you don't know more about life than someone who is older. If you are autistic your brain is physiologically deformed and not as adept at perceiving reality than a person who is normal. Not that complicated. Again, not my fault that love is real and you can't feel it.

[Anonymous No.15263323]

>>15263287
why don't you get yourself a dog and make love with it?

[Anonymous No.15263342]

>>15263321
>don't know more about life than someone who is older
I'm not, but this isn't necessarily the case. Consider the difference between some braindead old redneck and an educated middle class kid.
>perceiving reality than a person who is normal
If you are austic you tend to not subscribe to bullshit that is commonly believed by unthoughtful masses.

[Anonymous No.15263351]

>>15262257
Yes. Love of God, king and country.

[Anonymous No.15263370]

>>15263342
>Consider the difference between some braindead old redneck and an educated middle class kid.
I said "about life", not more about matrices, vectors, and linear programming. I'd accuse you of being autistic for not being able to understand that, but at last
>If you are austic you tend to not subscribe to bullshit that is commonly believed by unthoughtful masses.
More cope. The subtleties of communicative nuance is really the tip of the iceberg here. There are all kinds of emotions you will never feel.

[Anonymous No.15263376]

>>15262708
>i-it's all just chemicals! i-it's all just neurons firing!!
So is your critique of love. If love is invalidated by that, why wouldn't your critique be?

[Anonymous No.15263416]

>>15262269
fpbp

[Anonymous No.15263496]

>>15262269
No emotion IS chemicals, chemicals are just (probably) what causes the emotions

[Anonymous No.15263518]

>>15263370
>I said "about life",
it doesn't matter, because the perception that they have of their "life experiences" is deformed by their distorted notions about reality.
>The subtleties of communicative nuance
One can notice and understand them consciously, normies just "feel it" subconsciously thus are incapable of even understanding what they are doing. In a similar way as a human understands better the behaviour of an animal than the animal itself even though he doesn't have a direct experience of it.
> emotions you will never feel
most "emotions" are narrative driven instinctual tendencies, that is to say that the emotion is nothing more than a story you tell yourself.

[Anonymous No.15263560]

>>15263518
This will sound prejudicial (and it is), but I don't intend to argue with someone that can't feel emotions. Be right in your head and reduce all of your feelings to ~narrative~, it's only making your life worse than someone who didn't give it any thought at all.

[Anonymous No.15263614]

>>15263560
>someone that can't feel emotions
i do, that being said it sounds like you have lost the argument
i also have the intuition that you have a hole between your legs, that is correct isn't it?

[Anonymous No.15263662]

>>15263614
>i also have the intuition that you have a hole between your legs, that is correct isn't it?
lol your intuition suchs, but it's pretty obvious that your priority is being correct rather than being better. Think what you want to, bro. Seriously.

[Anonymous No.15263796]

>>15262257
Yes, just try playing the Sims and tell me if you don't feel love for the Sim family you raised?

[Anonymous No.15263859]

>>15263614
>i also have the intuition that you have a hole between your legs, that is correct isn't it?
TOS should implement a ban on incel virgins so I don't have to read some retarded shit like this again. You probably think of yourself as educated and even contemplative but mentally you're about 12.

[Anonymous No.15263940]

it is real and it must be cultivated and tended to and stoked and stoked again and channeled directed shaped etc. to build something lasting and powerful and good—when the teenager feelings go away you’re left with an equal, someone you care about, a partner. i think love and intention create the relationships of our grandparents’ time.

[Anonymous No.15263978]

>>15262257
Yes, but its a rare thing.

[Anonymous No.15263993]

>>15262257
It depends on what you think love is OP.

[Anonymous No.15264012]

>>15263859
>mentally you're about 12.
I already explained how a 12 yo could have a better understanding or reality than you.
Do you have any other argument?

[Anonymous No.15264021]

>>15262257
gf wants me to say i love her but I wont do it. I think its too early

[Anonymous No.15264239]

>>15264012
>I WON TEH ARGUMENT!!!
>BOYZ RULE AND GIRLS DROOL HEHEHE!!!
Like the other anon said, think whatever you want to lol. Nothing affects me less than whatever you decide to think of love.

[Anonymous No.15264288]

>>15263662
>it's pretty obvious that your priority is being correct rather than being better.
post tits

[Anonymous No.15264318]

>15264288
>you're lying about not being a girl
This anon jerks off to traps, not even giving this one a (You)

[Anonymous No.15264346]

>>15263518
Listen, bud. Autism is considered a disability for a reason. If a part of your brain is straight-up defective, you don't get to lecture us about how our notions of reality are distorted.
Also, feeling nuances of interpersonal interaction while simultaneously understanding them on a rational level are not mutually exclusive.
Also, emotions are not exclusively narrative-driven. Otherwise we would always be perfectly able to put a feeling we're experiencing into words, which just isn't the case. Oh and even if you had just explained the mechanisms of emotion to a T, that wouldn't invalidate them.

>>15262257
Ye, love is real. Being able to explain its mechanisms scientifically doesn't make it unreal in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.15264365]

>>15263351
>God, king and country.

Imagine mixing nationalism with the purity of christ.

[Anonymous No.15264441]

>>15264239
though your post shows how butthurt you are about my opinions since you need to use the brainlet meme to "disprove" me

[Anonymous No.15264446]

>>15263496
prove it's not the other way around :)
you don't realise you are making a huge assumption when you say chemicals cause the emotions.

[Anonymous No.15264478]

>>15264446
You are correct, my assumption was baseless, and I don't agree with it either, my point was mainly that chemicals is not emotion.

[Anonymous No.15264495]

>>15262257
It exists. It's just not some super spectacular magical thing, it's as shitty as everything else is

[Anonymous No.15264501]

>>15264441
I can see you're very desperate to have had some sort of influence over me, so much so that you forgot to deny being an incel, a virgin, and as >>15264346 pointed out, mentally disabled. You're having a hard time understanding that I'm not going to argue with you or have any interest in "disproving" you, but let's definitely keep this going. What's next, incel? Take it away.

[Anonymous No.15264515]

>>15264346
>part of your brain is straight-up defective
I'm not autistic, i'm just saying that claiming that someone is autistic isn't a valid argument against their view.
>most people are x way therefore being different is an illness
>most amerimutts don't wash their asses therefore washing your ass is a mental illness
k
>while simultaneously understanding them on a rational level are not mutually exclusive
it just so happens that it is usually impossible for the general population to do so
>emotions are not exclusively narrative-driven
complex emotions are, basic emotions like anger are pure a pure instinctual reaction
>that wouldn't invalidate them
the intention isn't to invalidate but rather to demystify

[Anonymous No.15264550]

>>15264501
I like being right about things and i don't consider calling someone an incel or a virgin as an argument.

[Anonymous No.15264581]

>>15264550
I'm not interested in argument, I was just making an observation. Believe it or not, not everything you see on the Internet is written with the intention of intellectually engaging you. What else you got? Respond faster this time, I'd like for this to be over sooner rather than later.

[Anonymous No.15264597]

>>15262257
Love is an ideal. It is real, but it's hard to find and really needs to be tended and nurtured to come to full fruition. Rose/flower analogy is very appropriate but very cliche.

[Anonymous No.15264609]

>>15264515
Demystification is fine by me, but emotions, as opposed to not washing your ass, are such a fundamental part of the human experience that it's hard for me to believe you would take up such a position to argue for without being schizoid at the very least. Ever underwent a psychological evaluation?

[Anonymous No.15264620]

>>15264581
>I'm not interested in argument, I was just making an observation
>making an observation by name calling people i.e. associating them with X negative category, thinking that this somehow disproves their views
I give up.

[Anonymous No.15264654]

>>15264620
What!!! So quickly?! There's still so much time for you to be right? Don't you want to be RIGHT? :-)
Let's try again, buddy. Dig a little deeper this time.

[Anonymous No.15264687]

>>15264609
>are such a fundamental part of the human experience
The way people feel and interpret emotions changes radically according to the historical period and place that the individual is brought up in.
There is also to note that autistic people do feel emotions, just not in the same way and they tend to not express them directly most of the time.

[Anonymous No.15264704]

>>15264654
You also seem to reply quite quickly anon.
Judging by your post you also seem to be upset, i wonder why.

[Anonymous No.15264731]

>>15264704
>also seem
You are a different anon presumably? I've consented to humoring this autist >>15264620, not anyone else. Though we are not arguing he seems convinced that I have an interest in disproving him when I've told him repeatedly that he can think whatever he wants to. And yes I am responding quite fast, I don't want to be here all day.

[Anonymous No.15264793]

>>15264687
>The way people feel and interpret emotions changes radically [...]
I'll need a source for that, because that implies we wouldn't be able to empathize with or understand the characters in books of different eras and cultures.

[Anonymous No.15264798]

>>15264731
whatever makes you feel better anon, i understand that you are under significant stress in you life due to particular difficulties and that you need make similar posts to relieve it
go on without me

[Anonymous No.15264830]

>>15264798
The problem with that is that I've extended you the courtesy of my attention. In light of that courtesy, I would appreciate if you not use this time to project whatever inadequacies you've internalized for yourself to try to rationalize my good will.
What's next? Have you found a way for you to be right? Let's see it.

[Anonymous No.15264854]

>>15264793
>empathize with or understand the characters in books of different eras and cultures
We do but only after understanding the context of their culture. The basic underlying structure is the same though as mentioned previously.
So you might understand anger but not the reason for the anger. Example: medieval farmer is angry at a woman in the village because he thinks that there is a causal relationship between her weirdness (witchcraft) and the death of his child due to pneumonia.

[Anonymous No.15265036]

>>15262708
All sensory experience is the result of chemicals in your mind. Does nothing exist?

[Anonymous No.15265260]

>>15264854
>The basic underlying structure [of the way people feel emotions] is the same.
>The way people feel and interpret emotions changes radically [...]
Which is it? I don't even know if I'm arguing with the same person anymore desu. Sometimes I wish we had more tripfriends on this board.
I'd probably reiterate your previous point "The way people feel and interpret emotions changes radically [...]" as "While the felt experience of a specific type of emotion is always the same, the situations which trigger them are partially dependent on the cultural, temporal and temperamental context of the person experiencing it." so as to prevent misunderstandings.

[Anonymous No.15265488]

>>15265260
Yeah i shouldn't have added the word "feel".
I'm not sure though what your over all point is?
Do you believe that autists don't feel emotions and that it's something that separetes them from humanity?
Because this is just a common misconception.

[Anonymous No.15265628]

>>15262257
no because every relationship is transactional

[Anonymous No.15265657]

>>15264346
>If a part of your brain is straight-up defective, you don't get to lecture us about how our notions of reality are distorted.
autists literally perceive reality more objectively than neuros

[Anonymous No.15265778]

>>15265488
Honestly, I just disagreed vehemently with >>15263518 and might've been overly snarky in my reply >>15265488 but I answered your later replies as faithfully as I could.
Not sure if I have an overarching point other than "Emotions are inextricably linked to being human, regardless of circumstances and it's futile to try and dismiss them as dumb shit normies do."

[Anonymous No.15265897]

>>15265778
>it's futile to try and dismiss them as dumb shit normies do.
i don't, i just think that viewing the emotion of "love" as some sort of pure and magic wu wu from another dimension uniting two souls instead of the pair bonding instinct among sexually reproducing animals isn't a very good idea

[Anonymous No.15267289]

>>15262895
What does "choose not to live" mean?

[Anonymous No.15267303]

>>15263259
Why the ageism? Not OP, I'm 25, and sort-of have the same question.

[Anonymous No.15267326]

>>15264581
Not the person you're responding to... But I needed to come in and tell you that you seem like a bad person.

[Anonymous No.15267355]

>>15267326
Are you gonna cry about it?

[Anonymous No.15267378]

>>15267355
No. I'm going to wonder how a little thing like you found its way to lit.

[Anonymous No.15267384]

>>15267378
>cries in rationalism
Suck my penis, dweebus.

[Anonymous No.15267715]

>>15262895
>How does it feel knowing a genuine brainlet will lead a more fulfilling life than you
I'm indifferent to this. That's like telling me a schizophrenic has more fun in life because he convinced himself he is the emperor of Europe. My point in life is getting closer to truth, not getting closer to some LARP that makes me happy.

[Anonymous No.15267732]

>>15267715
Explain why truth matters.

[Anonymous No.15267749]

>>15262257
No It's a manufactured experience.

[Anonymous No.15267868]

>>15262720
>>15262721
>>15262774
>>15262790
>>15263210
>>15263376
>>15265036
Nothing exists correct (the projection onto the object I'm saying) the stories the mind conjures up is simply temporary flash of imagery, changing second to second, the brain/mind sees the stimulus/interprets the sensory experience and creates a narrative. The narrative is always imaginary.

[Anonymous No.15267901]

>>15267868
>The narrative is always imaginary.
What difference does it make?

[Anonymous No.15267910]

>>15267901
Enjoy it, there's no escaping it

[Anonymous No.15267919]

>>15262269
>>15263496
Chemicals and matter are all just instruments

[Anonymous No.15267923]

>>15267910
Exactly. It's a moot point. Glad we agree.