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[Anonymous No.15255178]

Make a case for hedonism.

[Anonymous No.15255185]

>>15255178
if it doesnt compromise safety, there is literally nothing wrong about it. Assuming you dont care about health

[Anonymous No.15255203]

>>15255178
No

[Anonymous No.15255216]

[Anonymous No.15255223]

>>15255178
happiness is a fine balance between your expectations and the rewards derived from your actions, and thus cannot be sustained indefinitely

[Anonymous No.15255233]

>>15255216
what a weak ass argument against hedonism

[Anonymous No.15255250]

>>15255178
jesus won't like it

[Anonymous No.15255258]

>>15255178
It's disgusting. Only absolute subhuman degenerate faggots worship at the alter of hedonism.
>HUHUHU NO RATIONAL ARGUMENTS
>HUHUHU DISPROVE IT THEN BRO
No. I won't. I don't care about rationalism or philosophical justification. Hedonism is inherently repulsive and nihilistic. I don't have to prove it is. I know it is.

[Anonymous No.15255271]

>>15255178
IF IT FEELS GOOD DO IT

[Anonymous No.15255286]

>>15255216
hedonism =/= sensory indulgence. You still need to cull desire.

[Anonymous No.15255289]

>>15255258
>hedonism is bad
>can't make an argument against it

ok retard

[Anonymous No.15255297]

>>15255216
Sill based. You aren't Chaste-anon from years ago are you?

[Anonymous No.15255299]

>>15255286
Based aristipeous and epicurus hedonist.

[Anonymous No.15255302]

>>15255178
>>15255289
hedonism is so low-tier it has been scientifically (yes, scientifically) refuted

[Anonymous No.15255308]

>>15255297
no, I got it off /sci/ in the archives

[Anonymous No.15255310]

>>15255258
convictions are worse than lies

[Anonymous No.15255324]

>>15255302
>virtue ethics is so low-tier it has been scientifically (yes, scientifically) refuted

[Anonymous No.15255343]

>>15255178
You only live once. There I did it.

Now disprove hedonism by proving that you do not in fact only live once. See? You can't.

[Anonymous No.15255354]

>>15255302
source: just trust me bro

[Anonymous No.15255364]

>>15255310
convictions are the only truth

[Anonymous No.15255375]

>>15255302
How about you give us a source retard

[Anonymous No.15255422]

>>15255178
It depends what you mean and what you find pleasurable. Does it mean pure sensual pleasure or just pleasures pursuit in general? In general Hedonism shows a lot of time preference for now and not later. You also don't know the unknown. I thought having a kid would compromise my pleasure but its the most fulfilling thing I've had happen, and the kid is funny AF. This may not last forever. There's no guarantee what you find pleasurable will keep offering returns. Its better to commit some sacrifice and to some lows to build more stable pleasure over time.

You might live 80 years. How are non stop drugs or tinder fucks going to work past 55? (for a healthy guy, would end earlier for someone unhealthy).

Also higher pleasure arguments, virtue ethics, etc etc.

[Anonymous No.15255468]

>>15255375
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C33&q=hedonism+good+or+bad&btnG=

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/B:JOHS.0000005719.56211.fd

Just search google scholar you fucking retard, why does he have to hold your hand? Do you not know how to do even lazy research? Keep getting spoonfed by an image board retarded faggot. Come suck my dick again later, I can teach you more things.

[Anonymous No.15255472]

>>15255354
>>15255375
the source has been around for close to 50 years now and you're still looking for it lmao

[Anonymous No.15255477]

>>15255178
literature board

[Anonymous No.15255500]

>>15255468
>>15255472

>Yet, these data cannot settle the issue, since the observed relations may be spurious or due to the effects of happiness on hedonism rather than the reverse

Try again retard

[Anonymous No.15255507]

>>15255500
LMOA

[Anonymous No.15255546]

>>15255178
>Make a case for hedonism
I can't, for the same reason I can't make a case for a flat earth. Because hedonism is wrong.

>>15255185
Hedonism leads to lower happiness, regardless of health effects.

[Anonymous No.15255596]

>>15255546
>Hedonism leads to lower happiness, regardless of health effects.
Prove it.

[Anonymous No.15255634]

>>15255546
Are you actually retarded? This nigga >>15255468 tried to prove it and only made a fool of himself

[Anonymous No.15255642]

You can't. Hedonism is eating sugar all the time and not expecting it to either deteriorate your health or just getting plain boring. In moderation? Depends on the activity. I don't believe it to be black/white

[Anonymous No.15255643]

You might die tomorrow

[Anonymous No.15255758]

>>15255500
That's why I linked that article you fucking retard, if you had understood how to look things up yourself you would have seen it. Keep getting other people to hold your hand, this is why you are a loser.
>>15255634
Learn context moron, the post was mocking his inability to search for himself

[Anonymous No.15255812]

>>15255216
What about Joyce, Hegel, Bataille, Nietzsche etc etc. There are a thousand good coomer writers for every chastepilled writer

[Anonymous No.15255839]

If you hurt me, that's bad. If I am pleased, that's good. The fear of death hurts me the most, though death itself is neither good nor bad because death is a state of non-being. Failure to obtain an ideal self (which has never manifested in nature) also hurts me, on the fear that I be punished. I am also hurt by failure to obtain my desires, yet I will always have them and so must limit them to only what is necessary (food, water, shelter, concubines sucking my dick). Therefore, I must seek the good while diminishing the amount of pain inflicted by the external world and by my own self.

It's important to understand that the good life is not the pursuit of a incomplete good. Base pleasure is an incomplete good e.g. if I eat chocolate, I'll inevitably want more. The good life is also not pursuing a means e.g. money is a means, and to pursue means with no end guarantees never achieving satisfaction. That leaves only searching for a certain kind of pleasure, one not fulfilled by external means, nor by the delusion of living virtuously, since you can never be perfectly virtuous, and since there is no life after death (if you disagree on this final point, you're hard coping--enjoy your beliefs, sugar pie).

[Anonymous No.15255858]

>>15255812
>Nietzsche
>Coomer
Uh?

[Anonymous No.15255861]

>>15255758
???? I think youre the one who needs to learn context lmao

[Anonymous No.15255869]

>>15255839
Why are concubines sucking your dick necessary?

[Anonymous No.15255915]

>>15255869
because a good wife's duty is to raise children, provide company, and manage her own affairs. expecting her to also comply sexually is asking too much of her. and they only suck your dick, say once or twice a week, give or take, just enough to satisfy your necessary desire of sexual pleasure.

[Anonymous No.15255975]

>>15255858
The guy fucked loads of prostitutes (Same as his idol Schopie) and was obsessed with that one lass.

[Anonymous No.15255982]

>>15255915
Why is sexual pleasure a necessary desire?

[Anonymous No.15256173]

>>15255982
I've once not masturbated for 108 days. You do that and tell me it's not necessary.

[Anonymous No.15256188]

>>15255178
its fun

[Anonymous No.15256225]

I'm too physically weak to be a hedonist. It's too tiring and involved. Even fucking randos. I'm just gonna embarrass myself with a 1 minute performance. What's the point when it doesn't give you any pleasure?

[Anonymous No.15256266]

>>15255178
here's Caligula arguing for it, more or less

[Anonymous No.15256278]

>>15255178
i always found this image a compelling argument for hedonism

[Anonymous No.15256291]

and this one. how are you supposed to swear off carnal pleasure after reading this?

[Anonymous No.15256330]

>>15255178
God didn't give us a manual to live life, only pleasure-pain stimulus, which pleasure = good and pain = bad, so its fair to conclude that if God is good he wanted us to have a pleasurable life

[Anonymous No.15256436]

>>15255178
I can't, because hedonism is too retarded. To always have fun is to never have fun. Life has to be boring at times to make the good times stick out and mean something. Hedonists are almost universally miserable faggots for this reason. They're like children who eat nothing but candy and then wonder why they feel sick, and figure that the cure is to simply eat more candy. Fuck hedonists.

[Anonymous No.15256495]

>>15255178
It feels good

[Anonymous No.15256503]

>>15256278
I still can't believe this is real, you could not orchestrate a more perfect picture.

[Anonymous No.15256547]

If you don't unironically believe in an afterlife and in its quality being dependant on your choices in this life, it's quite difficult to build a waterproof case against hedonism.

[Anonymous No.15256629]

>>15256547
>>15256330
B...bu...but muh teachings of mah scripture

[Anonymous No.15256731]

>>15255185
>doesnt compromise safety
>Assuming you dont care about health

[Anonymous No.15256751]

>>15256547
even if you dont believe in literal hell, hedonistic sin will effect you psychologically and eventually you will find yourself in a metaphorical hell when your mind is burnt out and nothing makes you happy or fulfilled anymore

[Anonymous No.15256754]

>>15255178
people don't get the right idea about hedonism, a stoic has a more pleasurable life than a degenerate that fucks thai whores

[Anonymous No.15256779]

>>15255250
i don't like being assaulted by splitting headaches and snot running down my throat every day for the past 2 years but jesus doesn't care about that does he

[Anonymous No.15256791]

>>15255178
Dick feels good when in pussy = good
dick feels bad when not in pussy = bad

really not that complicated

[Anonymous No.15256815]

>>15256754
>people don't have the right idea about hedonism
>hedonism is fucking thai whores

[Anonymous No.15256823]

>>15256754
being a stoic < fucking a ladyboy in their tight asshole

[Anonymous No.15256851]

>>15255178

yolo plus no one will even remember your degeneracy give or take a couple centuries, & if you're famous then it won't matter

[Anonymous No.15256853]

>>15256791
>dick feels bad when not..
Might want to get that checked out, anon.
When not ip my dick just feels like my dick..

[Anonymous No.15256872]

>>15256823
being stoic > getting AIDS

[Anonymous No.15256878]

>>15255178
What do you even mean by hedonism?

The low IQ hedonism of the hippies of sex, drugs and rocknroll?
Or is it the higher IQ type of the Epicureans where ataraxia counts as a pleasure?

[Anonymous No.15256885]

>>15255178
It's fun.

[Anonymous No.15256891]

>>15256815
I think he is saying that Stoicism is a kind of hedonism.

[Anonymous No.15256957]

maybe you can stoically fuck thai whores

[Anonymous No.15257015]

>>15256878
this one gets it

[Anonymous No.15257025]

>>15256872
being an incel stoic < getting AIDS through living life as a chad Dionysian spirit

[Anonymous No.15257030]

>>15256751
>Hell, well, i-it's in the mind
>There are dragons lurking. Wake the hell up!

[Anonymous No.15257031]

>>15256853
>When not ip my dick just feels like my dick..
that is bad feeling. dick no in pussy feel bad because it feel nothing. have to make hand into pussy to feel good. if dick no feel good, dick feel bad. law of non-contradiction.

[Anonymous No.15257036]

Is it just me, or are Thai girls kinda strange-looking? Maybe it's just that I'm more used to looking at Chinese and Japanese faces, but something feels a little off.

[Anonymous No.15257037]

>>15256891
>>15256754
Stoicism is not hedonism (see Seneca)

[Anonymous No.15257046]

>>15255178
All philosophies are crypto-hedonism. The ascetics are putting their money on there being an even greater pleasure if we act like good boys before we die. A slow masturbation session still has the goal of an orgasm at the end.

[Anonymous No.15257055]

>>15257046
What if your philosophy is hypno-sissy acceleration and you want to cut your dick clean off and merge with the virtual

[Anonymous No.15257072]

>>15257037
thats cope
ataraxia is hedonism

[Anonymous No.15257118]

>>15257072
very true, although is not the aim of all philosophy and indeed human experience some kind of hedonistic pleasure or satisfaction (as a result of serenity or otherwise). Stoicism provides definitely a purer and more stable form of 'pleasure' or 'joy' rather

[Anonymous No.15257133]

>>15255178
Pleasure feels good. All creatures react positively to pleasure and shy away from pain. Even babies do this by nature. The “counterargument” that hedonism makes you sad comes from spooked losers who don’t realize that this is all there is.

[Anonymous No.15257179]

>>15257133
>Pleasure feels good. All creatures react positively to pleasure and shy away from pain. Even babies do this by nature. The “counterargument” that hedonism makes you sad comes from spooked losers who don’t realize that this is all there is.

[Anonymous No.15257183]

>>15257133
Why does every time someone uses "spook" or "spooked" in the post, it is horrendously ignorant?
Do only people who have never read anything about philosophy read Stirner nowadays?

[Anonymous No.15257196]

>>15257179
>>15257133
>Pleasure feels good. All creatures react positively to pleasure and shy away from pain. Even babies do this by nature. The “counterargument” that hedonism makes you sad comes from spooked losers who don’t realize that this is all there is.

[Anonymous No.15257222]

>>15257133
Only faggots thinks pursing pleasure is the meaning of life. You are not different from an animal, you lack of self-control and you pursue mundane needs. Pleasure is temporary, glory is eternal. Why you want to waste your life in mundane things like pleasure when you can achieve transcendental purposes like pursuing higher aesthetics, pursuing knowledge and leaving a legacy for posterity. Tesla and Newton were celibate and yet they changed the world for ever.

[Anonymous No.15257227]

>>15257118
yes both epicureans and stoics agreed that ataraxia is the utmost goal
they only differ in the method

[Anonymous No.15257232]

>>15257196
>>>Pleasure feels good. All creatures react positively to pleasure and shy away from pain. Even babies do this by nature. The “counterargument” that hedonism makes you sad comes from spooked losers who don’t realize that this is all there is.

[Anonymous No.15257355]

>>15257222
>Only faggots thinks pursing pleasure is the meaning of life.
Starting with an adhom, nice.
>You are not different from an animal, you lack of self-control and you pursue mundane needs.
“Animals bad!” — you are an animal. Anything to the contrary is cope. A lack of self-control would lead to overindulgence and a decline in pleasure. You do not understand hedonism.
>Pleasure is temporary, glory is eternal. Why you want to waste your life in mundane things like pleasure when you can achieve transcendental purposes like pursuing higher aesthetics, pursuing knowledge and leaving a legacy for posterity. Tesla and Newton were celibate and yet they changed the world for ever.
“Muh geniuses, muh spooks”

[Anonymous No.15257362]

>>15257222
Lets be honest Anon,Tesla and Newton are not your ordinary,everyday people.They were blessed with higher IQ
Also,whats the purpose of glory or heritage if you wont be able to experience/benefit it.
All said and done,I agree that life shouldnt consist only of pleasure because its not sustaine long term

[Anonymous No.15257413]

>>15257355
>A lack of self-control would lead to overindulgence and a decline in pleasure
Weren't you the one saying that
>hedonism makes you sad comes from spooked losers

[Anonymous No.15257476]

>>15257355
>Starting with an adhom, nice.
I was just insulting you. Not trying to make an argument with that statement
>“Animals bad!” — you are an animal. Anything to the contrary is cope. A lack of self-control would lead to overindulgence and a decline in pleasure. You do not understand hedonism.
Animals and humans are different in this context. Biologically speaking we humans are animals and that is true. However, we humans are indeed a special kind of animal, we can act based upon reason. If we want to evolve as species we must act upon logic and reason instead of feelings. Why you want to waste your life in mundane things like pleasure? You don't want to feel anything else besides those chemicals reactions in your brain? Transcendetal purposes are beyond the materialistic means. They are abstract and untangible. We humans must use our intellect to reach perfection.
>“Muh geniuses, muh spooks”
pic related

[Anonymous No.15257526]

>>15257222
who the fuck cares about the world or muh posterity what a fucking loser. You're going to be dead, you will not exist in any form at all, anywhere, why are you wasting your time and attention on the opinion's of those who will come after you instead of focusing on existence. God what a fucking retard, the muh glory is eternal shit really topped it off, actually made me cringe and feel genuinely sad. Everything you're striving for is utterly worthless and vapid, your timeless "heroes" would've thought the same

[Anonymous No.15257543]

>>15255178
question for hedonists: why bother with fucking thai whores if you can just do heroine?
if pleasure is the goal, heroine would be better
unless there is something else you're looking for in these thai whores?

[Anonymous No.15257585]

>>15257526
>who the fuck cares about the world or muh posterity what a fucking loser.
The greatest men in history
>You're going to be dead, you will not exist in any form at all, anywhere,
Beethoven is dead, turned into dust and yet his legacy will remain. Tesla as well. Great men will be remembered in history in one way or another.
>God what a fucking retard, the muh glory is eternal shit really topped it off, actually made me cringe and feel genuinely sad.
Then what you propose? What is your meaning in life? You ironically are the fucking loser that simply wants to chase fucking dopamine and other meaningless chemical reactions? Leaving a legacy will make eternal in history. The satisfaction of achiving something transcendental is beyond pleasure.
>Everything you're striving for is utterly worthless and vapid, your timeless "heroes" would've thought the same
Here we have. A slave to pleasure and nothing more. You think leaving a legacy or achiving a transcendental goal is vapid? What an idiot.

[Anonymous No.15257703]

>>15257585
Yeah that sounds good in theory but:
1.What if you legacy strays away from your path/goes against your initial desire?
2.Whats the point if you dont live long enough to taste the fruits of your labour?(long term enjoyment)
3.What if you wont be able to enjoy your legacy/its products directly?(immediate enjoyment)

[Anonymous No.15257715]

>>15255178
Make a case *for* hedonism. Have you ever actually tried to live a truly hedonistic lifestyle? Unless you are a psychopath it feels fucking awful. I spent years doing drugs and having sex with random women and it made me feel completely worthless and empty. I don't have my shit all figured out now, not by a long shot, but I'm very confident that this kind of constant pleasure-seeking makes me feel bad very quickly.

[Anonymous No.15257734]

>>15255812
all of them are hacks and psud

[Anonymous No.15257754]

>>15257543
heroin doesnt look cool most of the time. fucking a bunch of bitches is cool though, and looking cool feels better than looking like a loser.

[Anonymous No.15257812]

>>15257754
Do you want pleasure or do you want to look cool?

[Anonymous No.15257830]

>>15257703
Those are valid criticism
>1.What if you legacy strays away from your path/goes against your initial desire?
That is beyond the control of individuals. However, an individual must make everything possible to avoid that happen.
>2.Whats the point if you dont live long enough to taste the fruits of your labour?(long term enjoyment)
Isn't necessarily about the fact that you must taste the fruit of your labor. Is the fact that you achieved something transcendental and unique. Many geniuses were mocked for their work at their time and yet history proved that they were right. I personally would not live for my necessarily my hapiness. Hapiness is good, but is not my main goal. The satisfaction of achiving something so unique and important is more than enough.
>3.What if you wont be able to enjoy your legacy/its products directly?(immediate enjoyment)
See 2.

[Anonymous No.15257862]

>>15257754
>feels better than looking like a loser.
What is a loser to you? What is a winner to you? You think you are better than Tesla or Newton because you are fucking a bunch of hoes? What is the point of looking "cool"? Is that something even important?

[Anonymous No.15257948]

>>15257585
their legacy won't last more than 500k years at best, which is nothing in cosmological scale, still they are dead and doesn't make any difference to them

[Anonymous No.15257956]

>>15255178
There's only one universe and timeline, you have one life and it's right now.

[Anonymous No.15257970]

>>15257956
How is that an argument for hedonism?

[Anonymous No.15257995]

>>15257585
>The greatest men in history
greatest? or the most memorable? even their memory will fade in a blink

what is the aim of history? there is no aim; certainly the an ideal state isn't since the state is a means--it provides a service benefiting the common advantage of men.

>A slave to pleasure and nothing more.
any better than a slave to a false god?

[Anonymous No.15258011]

>>15257995
I'm not him.
What would be a good life in your opinion?
No one defined hedonism in this thread yet. Could you do it?

[Anonymous No.15258059]

>>15257948
>their legacy won't last more than 500k years at best, which is nothing in cosmological scale, still they are dead and doesn't make any difference to them
What garantee you have about that? Humanity might extinct or might not. His humanity goes extinct then it proves that we are not worthy to exist. They might be dead, and yet in the moment they will performed their greatest achievements will be in their memories.

[Anonymous No.15258075]

>>15258011
see >>15255286 and >>15255839
I wrote both of those posts, the latter is my lazy attempt at putting Epicurus into my concise words of my own. Epicurus was a hedonist, and most people see hedonism in a very negative context, but it's a neutral term that theorizes that pleasure is the only good we have knowledge of. but epicurus derides kinetic pleasures (chocolate, excessive sex, heroin, etc.) in favor of katastematic pleasure (pleasure achieved by the mind, can persist indefinitely, and is complete)

[Anonymous No.15258079]

>>15257948
>their legacy won't last more than 500k years at best, which is nothing in cosmological scale, still they are dead and doesn't make any difference to them
What guarantee you have about that? Humanity might extinct or might not. If humanity goes extinct then it proves that we are not worthy to exist. They might be dead, and yet in the moment they performed their greatest achievements will be in their memories.

[Anonymous No.15258099]

>>15257995
>any better than a slave to a false god?
What is the point in chasing dopamine? What is the point? I don't believe in a God. However, I think we can become God if we want, through technological progress.

[Anonymous No.15258116]

>>15258099
>>15258079
these have to be bait...

[Anonymous No.15258118]

>>15258116
Answer

[Anonymous No.15258120]

>>15258075
Your second post is not compatible with Epicurus. Sexual pleasure is not considered a necessary pleasure and he advocated for celibacy, for the usual reasons (acting like a Coomer will increase your desire and reduce your peace of mind).
And he did advocate for virtue as well. "The virtuous life is the pleasant life"

[Anonymous No.15258126]

>>15258079
do you really think this species will last longer than few hundred thousand years? even if it lasted for trillions of years, the universe will eventually recycle itself forming another big bang
being a memory in someone else's head does nothing for them when they are dead

[Anonymous No.15258127]

>>15255233
He's right though. Nofap works.
>>15255216
This is true. I have tested this for years. Abstinence works.
>>15255812
Fake

[Anonymous No.15258132]

>>15255185
It does compromise safety by reducing risk awareness.

[Anonymous No.15258138]

>>15258099
We can't. Technology is just a tool: increasing our dominion over the material plane even further doesn't make us any less a slave to desire.

[Anonymous No.15258141]

>>15257970
You might as well spend that time chasing ephemeral pleasures?
You asked for an argument, I gave you one, it isn't Unger's or my own stance, ofc.
But it is a reason. With no alternate life, no afterlife, there's just you that has to live this bitch.
You can choose to enjoy it any way you want.
Technically, as long as you enjoy it, there's no reason not to be a heroin addict.

[Anonymous No.15258165]

>>15258099
Chasing dopamine is such a narrow view of your existence. You should work to bettering your human spirit and defending your tribe from catastrophe.

[Anonymous No.15258183]

>>15255178
Cooming feels good.
Refute this.

[Anonymous No.15258186]

>>15258141
That's a pretty weak argument, anon.
Suppose "you have one life and it only last at most 100 years" is true. This doesn't make "Let's become hedonist and chase pleasures" right.
You need to show why "chasing pleasures" is preferable to other lifestyles in this "one life".

[Anonymous No.15258189]

>>15258165
>human spirit
spook
>defending your tribe
anachronistic absurdity

[Anonymous No.15258194]

>>15258183
Do you believe "if it feels good do it" is a good ideology for life?

[Anonymous No.15258198]

>>15258126
>do you really think this species will last longer than few hundred thousand years?
Maybe or maybe not. There are only possibilities.
>even if it lasted for trillions of years, the universe will eventually recycle itself forming another big bang
The eternal return theory has not been proveded. In fact, there are better scientific theories to explain the end of the cosmos. However, what if a species so advanced technologicaly can escape the universe and create another one? Their level of technology would make them "gods". See Fred Adams and Gregory Laughlin.
>being a memory in someone else's head does nothing for them when they are dead
Maybe they are death. The point to feel in the moment. How would you feel in moment that you discovered something so increidible and unique that your name will remembered?

[Anonymous No.15258209]

>>15258189
I'm not him. I'm interested in learning with an "unspooked" thinker like yourself about what is a good life. Could you explain?

[Anonymous No.15258210]

>there is no god
>life is transient and meaningless
>enjoy yourself while you can
makes sense to me desu

[Anonymous No.15258225]

>>15258210
What would be enjoying yourself?

[Anonymous No.15258236]

>>15258138
>We can't. Technology is just a tool: increasing our dominion over the material plane even further doesn't make us any less a slave to desire.
We can remove our desire through technology. What if we remove any emotion or desire from the brain through neuroscience or other technology?

[Anonymous No.15258241]

>>15258225
It depends on the individual, different people are attracted to and derive pleasure from different things.

[Anonymous No.15258245]

>>15258236
>We can remove our desire through technology.
I'm reasonably up to date in psychology research. No, we can't

[Anonymous No.15258250]

>>15258241
Anon, you are defending one kind of lifestyle. What would be the hedonistic lifestyle that would make life enjoyable?

[Anonymous No.15258253]

>>15258209
>I'm not him. I'm interested in learning with an "unspooked" thinker like yourself about what is a good life. Could you explain?
Pretending to be a girl online in order to bait others into discussing with you your secret fantasies that you have harbored your whole life, and doing massive cooms over it.

[Anonymous No.15258263]

>>15258253
He's right. He's not me. I am me.

[Anonymous No.15258264]

>>15258253
Come on, anon... Help us out with a serious answer.

[Anonymous No.15258267]

>>15258118
willful ignorance warrants no response

>Sexual pleasure is not considered a necessary pleasure and he advocated for celibacy
I'll concede that

>And he did advocate for virtue as well.
perhaps, but his conception of virtue is very different from Platonists or the Stoics. They think virtue is a good itself by itself, but Epicurus advocates friendship over virtue because values like justice or courage are contextual and dependent on human relations e.g. justice is a pledge of reciprocal usefulness

[Anonymous No.15258272]

>>15258264
That was a serious answer. You are too spooked to accept it.

[Anonymous No.15258273]

>>15258198
moments are bits of nothings, it exists for a fraction of time and then it is gone forever, memories are even worse, because recollection of things are never the things themselves
I don't see much potential in this species tbqh, and I don't think anything can escape the universe

[Anonymous No.15258276]

>>15258245
>I'm reasonably up to date in psychology research. No, we can't
Not yet. Maybe in a future. There is not evidence that says the opposite. We can only currently manipulate the "state" of the brain through drugs and other means. Why you think is impossible to do such thing in the future? We know very little about the brain.

[Anonymous No.15258281]

>>15258245
You should get up to date with neuroscience and CRISPR research instead of religious nonsense like psychology.

[Anonymous No.15258286]

>>15258250
There is no one hedonistic lifestyle that will make everyone's life enjoyable, people are complex. For some people it's asceticism and for other's it's copulating with car exhaust pipes.

[Anonymous No.15258287]

>>15255258
Based

[Anonymous No.15258289]

>>15258272
Can it be that the "unspooked thinker" is afraid of telling what his real beliefs are?

[Anonymous No.15258293]

>>15258273
>moments are bits of nothings, it exists for a fraction of time and then it is gone forever
They are gone indeed. If the fact that they happen.
>I don't think anything can escape the universe
According to you? What is your evidence?

[Anonymous No.15258295]

>>15256278
>>15256503

[Anonymous No.15258296]

>>15255546
Happiness is the expression of hedonism satiated.

[Anonymous No.15258297]

>>15258286
You are just hiding behind relativism.

[Anonymous No.15258302]

>>15258236
Then what is this reasonable one to do? Without desire, and denying the spirit as well: reason can just tell you a part of what is, it is wholly incapable on its own to decide what to do, what ought to be. Reason is just a hammer, and a hammer cannot tell you what to do with it.

[Anonymous No.15258305]

>>15258289
>real beliefs
spook

[Anonymous No.15258306]

>>15258276
>>15258281
I don't know about the future, but I do know about the present.
If that was possible, curing addictions would be easy.

[Anonymous No.15258316]

>>15258267
How that relates to become God? How that relates to any of my arguments?

[Anonymous No.15258327]

>>15258267
You are quoting two different posts. The second one is mine. In the end, virtue is about having the best life. The difference is mostly one of posture among them.
And Epicurus was just being tsundere. I remember Cicero or one of the Stoics saying something like "we are worse than our discourse, the Epicureans are better than their discourse" when criticizing this.

[Anonymous No.15258335]

>>15258293
I feel that this species is too mediocre in everything it does and doesn't have strong natural virtues, but we don't have any other intelligent species for comparison yet

[Anonymous No.15258336]

>>15258286
This. Nietzsche said the same. The ascetic is also a hedonist, but merely a different kind. He denounced the existence of the ego entirely and considered "hedonism" as simply "will to power," which included all of life with no exceptions.

>>15258297
Nietzsche didn't hide behind anything. He sacrificed himself for his work. Realizing the above isn't necessarily a justification for laziness; it can be the opposite — a justification for great action. The perspective that is the most "correct" is the one that is the most powerful, which means pursuing many hardships and challenging yourself at every turn. The pursuit of truth is hard.

[Anonymous No.15258338]

>>15258297
It's a simple matter of fact. It would be convenient if you could boil it down to one simple overarching set of behaviors but that's not reflective of reality. If you want to approach it from that angle the best you could do is analyze evolutionary psychology and the behaviors that universally activate the dopamine pathways of the brain like eating fatty/salty/sweet foods and sex but that leaves us with an incomplete picture of human motivation and behavior.

[Anonymous No.15258342]

>>15258302
>Then what is this reasonable one to do? Without desire, and denying the spirit as well: reason can just tell you a part of what is, it is wholly incapable on its own to decide what to do, what ought to be. Reason is just a hammer, and a hammer cannot tell you what to do with it.
You are right about something: we cannot do anything without desire. However, there is a difference between a mundane desire and a transcendental desire. We must remove mundane desires and leave the transcendental ones. Reason is our tool to achieve our means.

[Anonymous No.15258353]

>>15258335
>I feel that this species is too mediocre in everything it does and doesn't have strong natural virtues, but we don't have any other intelligent species for comparison yet
Agree with that. However, I feel that our duty must be to spread those values in order to become a better species. We might fail, if we do then we are not worth to exist.

[Anonymous No.15258356]

>>15255286
>hedonism =/= sensory indulgence
It absolutely is

[Anonymous No.15258359]

>>15258336
I believe I'm not discussing with Nietzsche. Nietzsche is dead.

>>15258338
If you believe so, why did you defend hedonism in the first place?

[Anonymous No.15258365]

>>15258316
you realize "becoming God" is the same as saying "becoming an ideal self". Do you actually expect this to be possible? If the Greeks couldn't, why can you? I'm writing any of your replies as further petty attempts to bait me and i see no benefit to edifying ur mid-wit self

>>15258327
>tsundere
In non-weeb speak? And idk what Epicurus would say, but I agree that the difference is mostly posture.

>>15258356
make friends and read Epicurus

[Anonymous No.15258373]

>>15258359
>I believe I'm not discussing with Nietzsche. Nietzsche is dead.
What difference does that make? His ideas are out on the table all the same, and his ontology has yet to be refuted.

[Anonymous No.15258392]

>>15258365
>in non-weeb speech
He was embarrassed to show his true feelings, which were "nobler" than he let on.

[Anonymous No.15258397]

>>15258359
>If you believe so, why did you defend hedonism in the first place?
Because there's nothing wrong with hedonism and everyone is a hedonist in that they pursue pleasurable stimuli and try to avoid harmful stimuli. The fact that what's considered pleasurable or painful isn't exactly the same for every individual has no bearing on the underlying principle.

[Anonymous No.15258399]

>>15258373
I don't care about Nietzsche, he is dead for a long time, I care about that anon.

[Anonymous No.15258403]

Anybody who induldges in hedonism eventually comes to the conclusion that its vapid/theres more to life. They figured this out before even platos time.
Blizerian is the perfect modern example of a hedonist. His social media posts have been slightly depressive the last year, and hes been posting pictures of chessboards, books; Hes even trying to write one.

[Anonymous No.15258411]

>>15258365
>you realize "becoming God" is the same as saying "becoming an ideal self".
Becoming a God is more than that. Is becoming something beyond an ideal.
>Do you actually expect this to be possible? If the Greeks couldn't, why can you?
Greeks? Seriously? They did not have the technology that we have and yet we are far from to be Gods. We can become God like entities through technology, this will take a huge amount of time. See Fred Adams y Gregory Laughlin.
>I'm writing any of your replies as further petty attempts to bait me and i see no benefit to edifying ur mid-wit self
Ok then do not continue.

[Anonymous No.15258415]

>>15258399
>he is dead for a long time
His ideas aren't. There is no being that isn't hedonistic.

[Anonymous No.15258417]

>>15258397
You are not defending hedonism, you are defending relativism.

[Anonymous No.15258428]

>>15258365
>you realize "becoming God" is the same as saying "becoming an ideal self".
Becoming a God is more than that. Is becoming something beyond an ideal.
>Do you actually expect this to be possible? If the Greeks couldn't, why can you?
Greeks? Seriously? They did not have the technology that we have and yet we are far from to be Gods. We can become God like entities through technology, this will take a huge amount of time. See Fred Adams and Gregory Laughlin.
>I'm writing any of your replies as further petty attempts to bait me and i see no benefit to edifying ur mid-wit self
Ok then do not continue.

[Anonymous No.15258431]

>>15258417
The two aren't mutually exclusive as far as I'm concerned. How are you defining hedonism?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15258439]

Aristippus
Though there were apparently other schools of thought along these lines, they weren’t popular enough to keep writing them down and are lost. Probably a dumb one about semen retention but indulging in all other pleasures. Doesn’t matter. Check Aristippus, but I and others in the thread recommend sensible Epicureanism

[Anonymous No.15258441]

>>15258342
I agree. But accepting there is such a thing as transcendence means accepting the spirit.

[Anonymous No.15258448]

>>15258439
fuck off butterdyke

[Anonymous No.15258452]

>>15258397
> everyone is a hedonist in that they pursue pleasurable stimuli and try to avoid harmful stimuli.

Nope. There is a third force, other than reason and desire.

[Anonymous No.15258466]

>>15258431
Yes, they are. Hedonism is the belief that pleasure is the good and that the more pleasure you receive the better your life will be.
And hedonism usually is not meant by the Epicurean sage who lives an ascetic life and considers peace of mind the greatest good. This is the opposite of what people normally consider hedonism.

Hedonism is the lifestyle of rockstars and party girls.
And this hedonism is uncompatible with relativism. In this hedonism, the party girl lives a better life than the sage.

[Anonymous No.15258468]

>>15258353
funny thing is if you improve too much this species it will become anything else
I guess the universe is purposeless and everyone will die at the end anyway lol
and then a new universe will be created again and again, like it did in the infinite past

[Anonymous No.15258479]

>>15258306
Really?
Because stem cells have been used to do amazing things over the last 20 years and yet christfags and inertia STILL hold them back.
If you asked to try CRISPR on volunteer junkies, people would suicide bomb the clinic.
We're in a deeply nostalgic reactionary society. It just doesn't seem that way due to the era and ideas that are being held on to. Kind of like how Brave New World is a deeply conservative society focused on a progressive past.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15258491]

>>15258452
>NO. There is also the schizophrenic who thinks self harm will lead to eternal bliss and...

Shame.

[Anonymous No.15258494]

>>15258468
>funny thing is if you improve too much this species it will become anything else
Exactly, the point is to evolved.
>I guess the universe is purposeless and everyone will die at the end anyway lol
We create our own purpose. Whether ou want a materiaslitic life or be trasncendental is up to you.
>and then a new universe will be created again and again, like it did in the infinite past
The eternal return theory has not been proved yet anon. There are better scientific theories that can explain the end of the universe.

[Anonymous No.15258496]

>>15255422
I realize now hours later the OP asked for a pro hedonism view. I'll go kms

[Anonymous No.15258505]

>>15258491
Butterdyke, please leave this thread. Everybody here is having discussion interesting ideas. We don't want you to ruin this thread. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.15258516]

>>15258491
Butterdyke, please leave this thread. Everybody here is discussing interesting ideas. We don't want you to ruin this thread. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.15258523]

>>15258466
It seems like an arbitrary moral distinction between pleasure traditionally considered to be base and vapid versus that which is considered more intellectual or venerable in my mind. Different avenues to the same end. Why do you believe that the sage has a better life than the party girl?

>>15258452
Good example, what do you think drove the monk to self-immolate?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15258533]

>>15258516
Children aren’t allowed to post here.

[Anonymous No.15258543]

>>15258365
>you realize "becoming God" is the same as saying "becoming an ideal self".
I reject this premise in its entirety

[Anonymous No.15258560]

>>15258523
>It seems like an arbitrary moral distinction between pleasure traditionally considered to be base and vapid versus that which is considered more intellectual or venerable in my mind. Different avenues to the same end.
It is not arbitrary. The pleasures of the flesh are not the same thing as peace of mind.

>Why do you believe that the sage has a better life than the party girl?
Because the party girl lifestyle leads to craving for the material that gets in the way of peace of mind.

But do you understand the distinction?
Hedonism does not say "be happy". Hedonism says how you achieve happiness, which is by maximizing bodily pleasure. An example of a hedonist is >>15257025
He is not a relativist. He does have a belief on what leads to a happy life.

[Anonymous No.15258562]

>>15258533
Spinsters neither are allowed. Also is ironic that you say that, you still behaving like teenager when you are a 46 old dyke with a mediocre job, ugly face, and a failure in art collage. What most pathetic could it be?

[Anonymous No.15258574]

>>15257812
looking cool gives me pleasure
>>15257862
It depends on your cultural scope really. To some dweeb ass nerd like you I'm sure Tesla and Newton are the coolest, but that isn't the case for a good majority of people. Who the hell even talks about them anymore?
>What is the point of looking "cool"? Is that something even important?
Receiving validation and admiration from others feels good, what's hard to understand?

[Anonymous No.15258607]

>>15258494
I don't think the eternal return is right, we might live as infinite other consciousnesses as well, not only this particular one

[Anonymous No.15258621]

>>15258560
>It is not arbitrary. The pleasures of the flesh are not the same thing as peace of mind.
What is peace of mind and why would pursuing and experiencing physical pleasure be at odds with attaining it?
>Because the party girl lifestyle leads to craving for the material that gets in the way of peace of mind.
You're going to have to justify that claim.
>But do you understand the distinction?
>Hedonism does not say "be happy". Hedonism says how you achieve happiness, which is by maximizing bodily pleasure. An example of a hedonist is >>15257025
>He is not a relativist. He does have a belief on what leads to a happy life.
My apologies, I don't have a background in philosophy so I didn't realize hedonism was strictly considered the pursuit of physical pleasure. It still doesn't seem like something that can be easily refuted unless we presume the existence of a higher power who is concerned with human law and ethics.

[Anonymous No.15258634]

>>15258574
>It depends on your cultural scope really. To some dweeb ass nerd like you I'm sure Tesla and Newton are the coolest, but that isn't the case for a good majority of people.
The majority of people. You mean the masses? Yes, be a good goy and follow masses.
>Who the hell even talks about them anymore?
You literally see Tesla every time you use AC. What about Elon Musk and Tesla. You think normied don't care about that? Newton ideas are used a lot in different fields(technology, industries, even in military(artillery requires knowledge in physics),etc)
>Receiving validation and admiration from others feels good, what's hard to understand?
What is the point in receiving validation from retards? You think is preferable to be admired by 1000 retards or 1 incredible unique person? This NCP tier

[Anonymous No.15258649]

>>15258574
>It depends on your cultural scope really. To some dweeb ass nerd like you I'm sure Tesla and Newton are the coolest, but that isn't the case for a good majority of people.
The majority of people. You mean the masses? Yes, be a good goy and follow masses.
>Who the hell even talks about them anymore?
You literally see Tesla every time you use AC. What about Elon Musk and Tesla? You think normies don't care about that? Newton ideas are used a lot in different fields(technology, industries, even in military(artillery requires knowledge in physics),etc)
>Receiving validation and admiration from others feels good, what's hard to understand?
What is the point in receiving validation from retards? You think is preferable to be admired by 1000 retards or 1 incredible and unique person? This NCP tier

[Anonymous No.15258699]

>>15258621
>What is peace of mind and why would pursuing and experiencing physical pleasure be at odds with attaining it?
When you don't feel grief or anxiety and feel content with life.
Hedonism (in the way I'm defining) increases your desire for pleasure. Increasing your desire for pleasure makes you fear the future (which brings anxiety). It also brings distress when you desire pleasure but can't have it.
To achieve this state you need more than just the virtue of temperance.

>You're going to have to justify that claim
I kind of explained in the last part.

[Anonymous No.15258708]

>>15258523
> what do you think drove the monk to self-immolate?

Plato described it: it's spirit, the force that pursues a goal even in defiance of all desires, finding full reward in the act of doing right, not in any fruit that may come from the right act.

He also thought this force ought to take reason as its master, i.e. let reason set its goals. But well, look at the world... I don't think he expected reason to fail at providing goals for the spirit to this extent.

[Anonymous No.15258802]

>>15258699
>When you don't feel grief or anxiety and feel content with life.
It's normal to feel grief and anxiety as long as it's not so acute that it's crippling. Being content with life leads to complacency and inaction. You're oversimplifying things too much, there's no one who can totally and permanently abstain from the desire or pursuit of pleasure. Even if you attain peace of mind you will likely have anxiety about faltering and giving in to some physical desire or vice at times.

If you've ever read essays in idleness there's a portion on an ascetic monk who becomes a hermit in a remote shack on a mountain and he describes that in his attempts to rid himself of worldly desires he has inadvertently found himself growing attached to his shack and surroundings in the mountain.

[Anonymous No.15258820]

>>15255271
thats because its quicker, easier and more appealing at first glance,

[Anonymous No.15258834]

>>15258802
The sage is one who has achieved this state. And it is not meant to be easy to achieve this state and it needs more than just being above pleasure.
But... Even for us mortals, getting closer to the state of the sage improves our lives.

[Anonymous No.15258870]

>>15258834
Certainly being able to control one's faculties and exhibit self-control is desirable but I don't believe that the sagacity you're describing is feasible. It's just a romanticization of self-denial that can only be attained and maintained by an automaton.

[Anonymous No.15258875]

>thread dedicated to argument over what should make you feel good
>barley any discussion on the premise at hand
smells epicurean in here

[Anonymous No.15259170]

Priests and nuns feel good when they torture themselves sexually and then give their sermons against sex to people with guilt complexes, and Buddhists feel good when they feel as little as possible. It's all hedonism in the end.

[Anonymous No.15259589]

>>15255178
It feels good man

[Anonymous No.15259621]

>>15259170
Wow is this really how coomers justify their cooms?

[Anonymous No.15259634]

>>15255812
>Listed 4 pseuds

You are kind of proving his point

[Anonymous No.15259658]

>>15257526
Civilization literally wouldnt even exist if everyone thought like this retard >>15257526

Dont be like that retard everyone.

[Anonymous No.15259701]

>>15259658
thinking that I enjoy the fruits of countless retards that sacrificed themselves for muh civilization makes my hedonistic life even more pleasurable
literally my slaves

[Anonymous No.15259803]

>>15259621
It is if you're coping with your superiority complex being shat on.

[Anonymous No.15260439]

>>15255185
>if it doesnt compromise safety,
Of yourself or others as well?

[Anonymous No.15260502]

>>15255858
He was addicted to masturbation.

[Anonymous No.15261345]

It feels good. QED
The hard thing is arguing against hedonism.

[Anonymous No.15261370]

>>15255343
Read Platos Phaidon retard. Our soul is immortal and we don't live only once.

[Anonymous No.15261380]

>>15255178
It's the most self-defeating ideology out there.

True happiness and fulfilment comes from a sense of working towards something that is higher than yourself, be it the continuation of our species, our values, or the building of something great like a business or project that benefits society or your family in some way.

Hedonism says that the highest end IS yourself, not something greater than yourself, and thus the hedonist will never be as fully satisfied as someone who has a higher purpose.

[Anonymous No.15261405]

>>15255178
tiddies

[Anonymous No.15261490]

Of my experience of being a neet, hedonism is more of a fantasy then a reality. Everyone likes to imagine drinking cocktails on a boat but once you do it, you need to do more. It's part of the human condition.

[Anonymous No.15262509]

It feels good :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyHNuVaZJ-k

[Anonymous No.15262628]

>>15255343
You can't prove we only live once

[Anonymous No.15262636]

>>15259634
How tf is nietzsche a pseud?

[Anonymous No.15262638]

>>15255468
Wtf is this

[Anonymous No.15262644]

>>15261380
>True happiness and fulfilment comes from a sense of working towards something that is higher than yourself, be it the continuation of our species, our values, or the building of something great like a business or project that benefits society or your family in some way.
You're ultimately still doing this for yourself, though.

[Anonymous No.15262891]

What do you do in life if you don't feel pleasure? Neither physical pleasures like sex or good food or the ones we call intellectual/meaningful inspire anything in me. At most they relieve a particular tension (hunger, lust, etc) or provide a distraction to occupy time. I never feel particularly "good" or "happy" doing anything.

[Anonymous No.15262992]

>>15255422
>>15258496
Good man anon

[Anonymous No.15263087]

>>15262891
>What do you do in life if you don't feel pleasure?
You go to church.

[Anonymous No.15263815]

>>15255178
Isnt like everyone a hedonist?From the priest of your local church to the homeless meth addict,everyone feels PLEASURE from their action,be it pure or disguised as a sense of purpose or superiority.But like all humans, we interpret it differently and attribute it a different level of importance

[Anonymous No.15264017]

>>15261380
> True happiness and fulfillment

Does not have to be worked for. It's already there, it's always been there.

[Anonymous No.15264031]

>>15255216
Do we have any proof Dante wasn't masturbating while in exile?

[Anonymous No.15264044]

>>15263815
Seems like a stretch to call this >>15258452 hedonism.

[Anonymous No.15264058]

>>15255216
Leonardo fucked twink asses. Far from abstinence dumb psued

[Anonymous No.15264114]

>>15264044
He could be just like the bdsm addict who feels pleasure from getting hit or he simply derives pleasure from completing a goal/spreading his ideals/achieving something.He attributes a higher level of importance for his goal(higher than his life)than most people

[Anonymous No.15264300]

>>15263815
>>15264114
You are confusing happiness and pleasure. Hedonism is not the belief that people do what they believe will make them happy.
Hedonism is the belief that pleasure of the senses make you happy.

[Anonymous No.15264411]

>>15262891
happiness is mostly lack of suffering aka ataraxia

[Anonymous No.15264494]

>>15264058
>Leonardo fucked twink asses
citation needed

[Anonymous No.15264774]

>>15264300
Well ,they chose the lifestyle that gives them the most pleasure

[Anonymous No.15265524]

>>15255178
>for
lmao life is meaningless just enjoy life

>against
pleasure brings pain

[Anonymous No.15265977]

>>15259701
Based

[Anonymous No.15266068]

>>15264774
Is it just me or you didn't read my post?

[Anonymous No.15266082]

>>15257355
>you are an animal
Yes, a rational one. What distinguishes us from animals is our ability to reason, hence the good life for a human is one that is rational. Just as a "good" cheetah is one that runs fast, a "good" man is a rational one. Whether you want to be "good" is ultimately up to you I suppose.

[Anonymous No.15266221]

>>15266082
Reductionism.

[Anonymous No.15266723]

>>15255216
>Correlation doesn't mean causation
>Cherry picking
>No true Scotsman
Wew lad

[Anonymous No.15266750]

>>15266082
>Yes, a rational one.
Or so it fancies to believe.

[Anonymous No.15266771]

>>15255178
hedonism is correct all your actions are an attempt to get pleasure. This is proven by experiments done on rats where they had electrodes connected to their brains pleasure center and given a lever to self stimulate. The rats neglected water, food and sleep. Ergo, we can conclude that if even these most basic motivations are nothing but a means to an end. That end being pleasure.

[Anonymous No.15267049]

>>15266771
pain-pleasure is the only compass for living we have

[Anonymous No.15267266]

>>15267049
EVERY art and every inquiry, and similarly every action and pursuit,
is thought to aim at some good; and for this reason the good has
rightly been declared to be that at which all things aim.

If you recognize that all your actions are motivated by pleasure seeking and accept aristotles definition of the good above you must accept hedonism as true.

[Anonymous No.15267436]

After school I lived a pretty hedonistic life. Not so erratic with big spends but I got the opportunity to party, fuck girls and travel and fuck more. 10 years passed and I started to feel alone, that all those people where near to me just as an excuse to give themselves pleasure and not feel bad. Many people started to disappear, I always tried to mantain my career while experiencing my freedom but true freedom is to say NO. After a while I realized that nothing will give me the pleasure enough to feel good, women become a trophy and I lost the ability to be vulnerable, to make a woman to fall in love, I just wanted to be served.

Love is the destruction of oneself for the sake of others, hate is the opposite. Hedonism comes from hate so at the end will make you feel miserable, is inevitable, then you will know that you don't love anything and you will start to chance that but the only way to attain it is through sacrifice, to achieve true freedom.

So to love yourself is to abstain and say no to a lot of things that you want even if is hurtful at first but then there will come the moment when everything will click in your soul.

[Anonymous No.15267579]

>>15266771
>>15266771
>>15267266
Why didn't you post this in a single post?
It is not because a rat does something that humans should emulate him.

Aristotle was clearly not a hedonist.

[Anonymous No.15267686]

>>15267579
What Aristotle is or isn't is not important to my claim that if you follow his definition of what good means hedonism is good. The experiments on rats were only meant to prove that beings are motivated by pleasure-seeking. When you combine this with the definition of good as given in Aristotle's ethics. You prove the central claim of hedonism. That we ought to pursue pleasure and that pleasure is the highest good.