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[Anonymous No.15251282]

Books refuting pessimism that aren't feel good nonsense? death is inevitable, suffering is inevitable, even the heat death of the universe is inevitable, every emotion you ever felt can be mapped, all events feel already made. theres just no reason to pursue this when non-being is vastly superior as it is exempt of all this.

[Anonymous No.15251297]

Coffee picture

[Anonymous No.15251362]

>death is inevitable
alright but i'm not dead
>suffering is inevitable
alright but i'm not suffering right now
>heat death of the universe is inevitable
dont care virgin
>every emotion you ever felt can be mapped
why is this bad?
>all events feel already made
try rewording that

[Anonymous No.15251365]

nishitani keiji - religion and nothingness

[Anonymous No.15251397]

anything that tries to refute pessimism is ultimately just another cope.

[Anonymous No.15251401]

>>15251362
learn what inevitable means bro.
>>15251365
good choice actually. i have been meaning to read this, thanks for the rec

[Anonymous No.15251410]

>>15251401
learn that you live right now and not in the future
interpret that both ways

[Anonymous No.15251418]

>>15251362

[Anonymous No.15251425]

>>15251401
no problem buddy

[Anonymous No.15251443]

https://philtorresneo.blogspot.com/2020/05/6th-annual-pekar-fest-fate-in-question.html?m=1

[Anonymous No.15251461]

really grasping the pesimisstic view of the world is a gestalt shift that can't be unturned

once you see the meaningless striving of our lives, driven by a background of dissatisfaction that is ever-present, there is no return.

non-being is perfection. life is nothing but disatisfaction in varying degrees. find ways to cope, or sui. either way you're dead in 80 years tops and we can only pray that we aren't vortexed into embodiment again after our inevitble dirt nap

in the end, we all fucking hang. best find a way to enjoy the swing

[Anonymous No.15251592]

>>15251461
seems like a lot of people feel this way nowadays.

[Anonymous No.15251649]

>>15251282
>Books refuting pessimism that aren't feel good nonsense
Read Nietzsche you underage newfag.

Start with the greeks tho

[Anonymous No.15251651]

>>15251282
Marcus Aurelius - Meditations

Thomas Ligotti - The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

Emil Cioran - The Temptation to Exist

[Anonymous No.15251652]

pessimism is nonsensical

[Anonymous No.15251671]

There are degrees to this. Pessimism doesn't = Nihilism.

[Anonymous No.15251688]

>>15251282
read plato

[Anonymous No.15251690]

>>15251282
>theres just no reason to pursue this when non-being is vastly superior
fine ok anon
just go somewhere and not be and leave the rest of us alone

[Anonymous No.15251694]

if non-being is so good why don't you just kill yourself

[Anonymous No.15251709]

>>15251592
people have always felt this way. the negativity is a structural part of human existence. we have records of the greeks, indians, xstains (ecclesiastical) going back 2000 years at least expressing the same sentiments

[Anonymous No.15251713]

>>15251282
>when non-being is vastly superior

for whom? any improvement to your welfare state can only occur while you remain existent.

[Anonymous No.15251716]

>I am no pessimist. Happy are those who can make of their suffering something universal. I don’t know if the world is sad or bad, nor do I care, because I feel bored and indifferent in the face of other people’s suffering. As long as they don’t cry or moan — which I find irritating and embarrassing —I greet their suffering with a shrug of the shoulders, so deep is my disdain for them.

[Anonymous No.15251717]

>>15251282
Unger's philosophy trilogy is exactly what you have asked for, and all up on libgen too.
You might want to start with Religion Of The Future (second book) though. Analyzes the failure of the main religio-political Ideologies in history in the face of the four problems of human existence: Existential Groundlessness, Belittlement, Insatiability, and Inescapable Death.
But it goes in a very different direction than what you're used to, as it's Pragmatism not Pessimism.

[Anonymous No.15251730]

>>15251282
How old is this chick?

[Anonymous No.15251737]

If you want to kill yourself,
why don’t you want to kill yourself?
Now’s your chance!
I, who greatly love both death and life,
Would kill myself too, if I dared kill myself…
If you dare, then be daring!
What good to you is the changing picture of outer images
We call the world?
What good is this cinema of hours played out
By actors with stock roles and gestures,
This colorful circus of our never-ending drive to keep going?
What good is your inner world which you don’t know?
Kill yourself, and maybe you’ll finally know it…
End it all, and maybe you’ll begin…
If you’re weary of existing, at least
Be noble in your weariness,
And don’t, like me, sing of life because you’re drunk,
Don’t, like me, salute death through literature!

You’re needed? O futile shadow called man!
No one is needed; you’re not needed by anyone…
Without you everything will keep going without you.
Perhaps it’s worse for others that you live than if you kill yourself…
Perhaps your presence is more burdensome than your absence…
Other people’s grief? You’re worried
About them crying over you?
Don’t worry: they won’t cry for long…
The impulse to live gradually stanches tears
When they’re not for our own sake,
When they’re because of what happened to someone else,
especially death,
Since after this happens to someone,
nothing else will…

First there’s anxiety,
the surprise of mystery’s arrival
And of your spoken life’s sudden absence…
Then there’s the horror of your visible and material coffin,
And the men in black whose profession is to be there.
Then the attending family,
heartbroken and telling jokes,
Mourning between the latest news from the evening papers,
Mingling grief over your death with the latest crime…
And you merely the incidental cause of that lamentation,
You who will be truly dead, much deader than you
imagine…
Much deader down here than you imagine,
Even if in the beyond you may be much more alive…

[Anonymous No.15251743]

>>15251737
Next comes the black procession to the vault or grave,
And finally the beginning of the death of your memory.
At first everyone feels relieved
That the slightly irksome tragedy of your death is over…
Then, with each passing day, the conversation lightens up
And life falls back into its old routine…

Then you are slowly forgotten.
You’re remembered only twice a year:
On you birthday and your death day.
That’s it.
That’s all.
That’s absolutely all.
Two times a year they think about you.
Two times a year those who loved you heave a sigh,
And they may sigh on the rare occasions someone mentions your name.

Look at yourself in the face and honestly face what we are…
If you want to kill yourself, then kill yourself…
Forget your moral scruples or intellectual fears!
What scruples or fears influence the workings of life?
What chemical scruples rule the driving impulse
Of sap, the blood’s circulation, and love?
What memory of others exists in the joyous rhythm of life?

Ah, vanity of flesh and blood called man,
Can’t you see that you’re utterly unimportant?

You’re important to yourself,
because you’re what you feel.
You’re everything to yourself,
because for you you’re the universe,
The real universe and other people
Being mere satellites of your objective subjectivity.
You matter to yourself,
because you’re all that matters to you.
And if this is true for you, O myth, then won’t it be true for others?

Do you, like Hamlet, dread the unknown?
But what is known?
What do you really know
Such that you can call anything “unknown”?

Do you, like Falstaff, love life with all its fat?
If you love it so materially, then love it even more materially
By becoming a bodily part of the earth and of things!
Scatter yourself, O physicochemical system
Of nocturnally conscious cells,
Over the nocturnal consciousness of the unconsciousness of bodies,
Over the huge blanket of appearances that blankets nothing,
Over the grass and weeds of proliferating beings,
Over the atomic fog of things,
Over the whirling walls Of the dynamic void that’s the world…

[Anonymous No.15251752]

>>15251461
It's because of this that life means any damn thing.
There's one universe, one time that goes ever forward linearly, and when you're gone, you're fuckin gone, and even the pyramids will be dust soon enough, and no one really knows who built them even now.

This gives power to the idea of fighting for the enhancement of life right now in biographical not historical time

[Anonymous No.15251757]

>>15251282
>he doesn't know about paradise engineering and The Hedonistic Imperative
>he doesn't realize that it might one day be possible to turn everything in our forward light cone into hedonium experiencing nothing but nonstop orgasmic pleasure

https://www.hedweb.com/

[Anonymous No.15251763]

>>15251282
>death is inevitable
No

[Anonymous No.15251769]

Not a book, but you described Hannah and Her Sisters perfectly.

[Anonymous No.15251775]

>>15251282
>even the heat death of the universe is inevitable
No

[Anonymous No.15251782]

>>15251282
You don't need a book. Just inject estrogen.

[Anonymous No.15251875]

>>15251752
>"it is because life is bad that it is good and valuable"

just fuck off

[Anonymous No.15253030]

>>15251282
"Happy the creators of pessimistic systems! Besides taking refuge in the fact of having made something, they can exult in their explanation of universal suffering, and include themselves in it.

I don't complain about the world. I don't protest in the name of the universe. I'm not a pessimist. I suffer and complain, but I don't know if suffering is the norm, nor do I know if it's human to suffer. Why should I care to know?

I suffer, without knowing if I deserve to. (A hunted doe.)
I'm not a pessimist. I'm sad.”

Read Pessoa

[Anonymous No.15253068]

>>15251763
>>15251775
wtf. Im too brainlet to understand this

[Anonymous No.15253278]

Pessimism is based on emotion. You can't refute it any more than you can refute love, fear, anger or pride.

[Anonymous No.15253293]

>>15253068
It's low IQ cope for people who don't actually study physics or mathematics or science in general

[Anonymous No.15253308]

>>15251282
>theres just no reason to pursue this when non-being is vastly superior as it is exempt of all this.

Except non-being will come eventually for both those who live normally and those who suicide or were never born. But if you're part of the latter category, then you're a cuck who only gets to experience non-being with no alternative. Why would you purposely choose to have objectively less than another person?

[Anonymous No.15253379]

Peter Sloterdijk - Critique of Cynical Reason

[Anonymous No.15253459]

Kill yourself you worthless coomer. And no, coffee is not good for you.

[Anonymous No.15253898]

>>15251717
>Humanity is in need of a religious revolution that dispenses with the concept of God and elements of the supernatural, a revolution that expands individual and collective human empowerment by fostering a condition he calls "deep freedom"—a life of creativity, risk, experiment, and meaningful personal connection—protected by structure-revising social and political structures of an empowered democracy hospitable to the context-breaking capacities inherent in human life.
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[Anonymous No.15254098]

>>15251651
Kek

[Anonymous No.15254156]

>>15251282
Pessimism is Realism. A true pessimist can't escape it. you either kill yourself or you embrace it. and live a ascetic life in solitude pursuing art and philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15254395]

>>15253898
"YIKES" gives away your original home: woke twitter. It's time to go back.

[Anonymous No.15254426]

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[Anonymous No.15256053]

>>15251282
philosophical pessimism= / =fatalism

[Anonymous No.15256254]

>>15251709
>xstains
It's pretty clear who the thorn in your side is

[Anonymous No.15256822]

>>15251362
>alright but i'm not suffering right now
i am

[Anonymous No.15257496]

>>15256822
glad to hear it, keep up the good work buddy

[Anonymous No.15257501]

>>15254395
>>15254426
>chimping out over a simple word