There is no free will or freedom of action

[Anonymous No.15248596]

Just a reminder for the plebs and uninitiated here

[Anonymous No.15248602]

>>15248596
>he thinks there are actions

[Anonymous No.15248606]

>>15248596
Then who’s telling me to call you stupid right now?

[Anonymous No.15248614]

>>15248602
Cause and effect is not real;it's just ONE

[Anonymous No.15248622]

>>15248614
>it's just ONE
pleb tier retardation, there is an infinite obscure multiplicity

[Anonymous No.15248624]

>>15248606
Your brain on its own proclivity it analyzed the stimulus and picked the thoughts best capable of making sense of the stimulus

[Anonymous No.15248641]

>>15248624
Are you trying to imply that in reality the notion of free will is really an unconscious network of information that’s self-autonomous?

[Anonymous No.15248654]

>>15248641
Yes like a computer, very much mechanical

[Anonymous No.15248663]

>>15248596
>close but no close enough
There is only freedom
the world is the totality of acts, not of things

[Anonymous No.15248671]

>>15248654
But then how does intelligence come into play?

[Anonymous No.15248677]

>God told Eve not to eat the apple(God was Serpent in disguise)
>God PLANTED this idea into Eve's head making it far more tempting therefore not her own action but she did so involuntarily
>Eve going by God's actions also doomed Adam by making him eat the apple too

Genesis makes this causality clear

[Anonymous No.15248680]

By the same token, there's also no pain, fool, unless you want to explain to me your oh-so-rigourous method for choosing which mental constructs are real.

[Anonymous No.15248693]

One copy of Beyond Freedom and Dignity, please.

[Anonymous No.15248708]

>>15248671
Intelligence, in as far as intelligently functioning in society (remember the average urbanite couldn't survive in a jungle) is dependent on many forces, ones environment, material conditions education, inherent talents/cognitive abilities. People process things differently, but the foundation and conceptual framework is innate to us all

[Anonymous No.15248726]

>>15248680
>By the same token, there's also no pain, fool,
Of course there's certain physical responses not amicable to the body retard.. I'm just denying a unique self separate from the body crafting everything meticulously

[Anonymous No.15248728]

>>15248641
Self autonomous is a lapalissade, friend...

[Anonymous No.15248742]

>>15248680
Ok I'll do you the favor of explaining this, that way in the future you won't make a fool of yourself.

1. You only ever do something because you want to do it or because you are forced to do it.
2. If you are forced to do it, it is not free will.
3. You have no control over your wants.
4. Therefore, an action done for want is also not free will.
5. Therefore, since want and force make up the set of total actions you ever can/will take, and since both are not freely-willed, you have no free will.

You're welcome, anon.

[Anonymous No.15248768]

>imgine thinking that the existence of free will is a genuine philosophical problem and not some excuse for faggots terrified of making mistakes and trying to justify their inaction

[Anonymous No.15248791]

>>15248596
that's not true because everything that happens is still my fault and exclusively my responsibility to fix

[Anonymous No.15248800]

>>15248768
It has the potential to do that and get sacked into hedonistic nihilism, but it can also be very freeing

[Anonymous No.15248808]

>>15248742
>You have no control over your wants.
You can choose not to act on them, or to what extent, and by what means.

[Anonymous No.15248824]

>>15248677
Why did he play games with us bros?

[Anonymous No.15248831]

>>15248800
and what determines whether someone who believes they do not have free will, falls into hedonistic nihilism, or becomes "free?"

[Anonymous No.15248841]

>>15248791
What is "my"? Where is "my"?

[Anonymous No.15248858]

>>15248831
Slave to "your" impulses/not a slave to "your" impluses

[Anonymous No.15248870]

>>15248808
No you can't. If you choose not to act on a want it is because you want to not act on that want. If it's easier to understand another way: You may stop yourself from acting on a given want, but in so doing you act for a higher-order want.

[Anonymous No.15248936]

>>15248742
>3. You have no control over your wants.
Non-ubermensch detected

[Anonymous No.15248949]

>>15248870
Based and fucking redpilled

[Anonymous No.15249003]

>>15248870
You're using the things people weigh to make decisions as "proof" the decision itself doesn't exist. As though two people with the same set of desires and all else equal, would always make the same decisions. But they wouldn't. Humans aren't computers and their actions aren't deterministic.

>>15248936
You can deny yourself the things you want, you can't magically shut off the processes in your brain generating those desires. You have wants, whether you want to or not.

[Anonymous No.15249013]

>>15248858
And what is the difference between being a slave and not being a slave?

[Anonymous No.15249042]

981. Philosophers have done away with causality for centuries now, but commoners still believe in it. They see us and our writings as "absurd", or at the most "magical", but it's their causality that is magic. So let me try to explain one last time to you low-IQ buffoons why your Richard Dawkins Anglo Cabbage Head logic is dumb as fuck and you are dumb as doorknobs for still believing it in the 21st century. This is the last chance you'll get to grasp this, and if you fail to give this explanation to the roving gangs of murder-drones we'll soon be sending out, you're toast! So pay attention!
What is the cause of something?
It's something else.
But we've already agreed that everything in the universe is connected to and affects everything else, otherwise they wouldn't be part of the same universe.
So the cause of anything... is everything.
But "everything" is precisely the definition of universe.
So the cause of anything is the universe.
But the universe cannot be pointed to as cause, because... it can't be pointed to.
The universe is not in your room, or outside your door, or even in the sky.
So it is magical thinking to believe that some thing caused something else, and that all the other things in the universe had nothing to do with it.
So causality is magical thinking, which is fantasy, which is a desire, which is will.
You WANT that thing's cause to be that other thing, and that is all.
I can "prove" that Muslims created Western civilization if I want.
But I don't want to.
So I won't.
Think also of chaos theory and the butterfly flapping its wings creating a cyclone and so on.
Think also of the epistemological scepticism of Hume and Kant.
All these things say the same thing.
We are not logically entitled to draw inferences from circumstances. Just because something happened doesn't mean it will happen again. Indeed, it's proof positive that it won't happen again before the next Recurrence! How can there be "laws" of "nature" in a universe in which repetition is impossible!
Moreover, causality would make the universe deterministic.
If you could find the true cause of one thing you could calculate all other things from that and win the game.
That's why we are reduced to chances and quantum theory and ultimately Zarathustra's dice-throwers.
It's not an accident that the ultimate philosopher likes gambling! It's also not an accident that the subhuman hates gambling and regards it as the devil. The subhuman wants to calculate! The subhuman wants the "sure thing"!
And of course whoever insists on the sure thing doesn't deserve anything. He deserves slavery, and that's why he gets precisely that.

[Anonymous No.15249111]

>>15249013
Discovering or not discovering the unreality of the world crated by "I"

[Anonymous No.15249131]

>>15249111
Created*

[Anonymous No.15249208]

>>15249042
>opens with some larp about how he'll kill everyone who doesn't agree with him with an imaginary army
How to guarantee I'm not going to read your shit
>>15249111
You can keep making up snake words all you like to skirt around it, the point is you admitted choice exists and that people aren't computers

[Anonymous No.15249265]

>>15249208
No, choice is not real
1. No control over the forumulation of thought or choices>>15248624
2. The "chooser" or "I" has no reality it is a neurological problem
3. The "I" also refers to the body, is it a misrepresentation and illusion

[Anonymous No.15249403]

>>15249208
There are numerous experiments done, including ones with actual mapping of brain activity showing patterns happening up to several seconds before any conscious choices.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18408715
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0021612
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3625266/

[Anonymous No.15249997]

>>15249003
You are fully misunderstanding the point. I never said "the decision itself doesn't exist." That's a nonsense sentence. read carefully.

[Anonymous No.15250051]

>>15248596
Only as pertains to the individual.