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[Anonymous No.15241263]

>ends inquiry
>ends philosophy
>ends religion both East and West
>ends metaphysics
>can't be refuted
Why haven't you taken the U.G pill?

[Anonymous No.15241273]

>>15241263
Who's the bigger pseud magnet: U.G. or Guenon?

[Anonymous No.15241284]

>>15241273
definitely Guenon

[Anonymous No.15241291]

>>15241273
Guenon

[Anonymous No.15241290]

I see UG posting as another form of being a "p-zombie" like Dennet. It is in fact contagious, if you read enough UG, particularly if you haven't read enough eastern thought primary sources first, he will disable your critical thought and leave you trapped in a limited-hanged where you are unable to move beyond it and learn anything new, and whatever insights you thought you gained become a handicap in the long-run, and then the sunk-cost fallacy and Stockholm syndrome make you feel like you have to now start shilling it to others

[Anonymous No.15241312]

>>15241290
U.G is the most subversive man in history

[Anonymous No.15241342]

>>15241290
You arrive to U.G after all the eastern junk. He ended them lol

[Anonymous No.15241397]

>>15241342
all that I've ever seen by him is just edgy rhetoric that doesn't do anything to "end" eastern metaphysics/religion, there was no argument of substance

[Anonymous No.15241424]

>>15241397
I was into J krishnamurti for while and watched some of U. G. and Il whole heartedly agree.

[Anonymous No.15241446]

>start listening to ug
>realize thinking has cucked me for years
>start listenign to my body
>friends invite me to hangout with them
>realize i dont like them after i start focusing on the moment
>get up and leave
>realize my wanting of women will lead to more suffering
>no longer want them
>girls start texting me more

feel better
hes changed my life

[Anonymous No.15241452]

>>15241263
Whenever I read or listen to U.G. I'm reminded of the people on 4chan whose style of debate consists of that lazy skepticism whereby every positive claim is negated for no particular reason.

[Anonymous No.15241543]

>>15241446
His calamity was the finalization of the final evolution of man

[Anonymous No.15241557]

>>15241452
He refuted contrarians and skeptics

[Anonymous No.15241568]

>>15241290

your analysis is spot on. some people just get destroyed. same thing happened with the osho guy

[Anonymous No.15241584]

>>15241263
Who is this nigga and how come I've never seen him posted here yet everyone seems to have read him?
Is he based or cringe?

[Anonymous No.15241600]

>>15241452
w8 he has books? doesn't that undermine his whole shtick?

[Anonymous No.15241605]

>>15241584
Based he's a chad pajeet

[Anonymous No.15241609]

>>15241600
Never wrote them, no copyright, no profit, friends just recorded convos they had and was like fuck it whatever

[Anonymous No.15241624]

>>15241584

he is based to an extreme degree, but on two conditionals:

>you have sincerely practiced 'thought control' or concentration meditation, and can do so at a high level
>you have a solid understanding of eastern doctrines, particularly buddhism and vedanta

if so, you end up running the risk of giving up any spiritual aspirations that you had, or even worse, you end up joining the makeshift cult that is developing around him. if you can avoid the traps, you can practice with a significantly stronger way of analyzing phenomena. read the books several times before listening to any audio conversations

[Anonymous No.15241627]

>>15241557
>>15241605
he seems utterly contradictory

[Anonymous No.15241638]

>>15241605
so is this more reminiscent to Buddhism (which he's known to have borrowed concepts from), or Taoism?

>inb4 neither
yea no, I've read these things in ancient eastern texts, its conveying a similar meaning

[Anonymous No.15241655]

>>15241638
>>15241627
He's the grimreaper and holds nothing back. Either you could go "mad" studying him ardously or if lucky (miracle) did what he did ie biological calamity/thought no longer KEY WORD dominating the body and it's actions

[Anonymous No.15241675]

>>15241655
So he's just indian Buddhist with Taoist undertones? Sort of like Zen laid bare.

[Anonymous No.15241679]

>>15241655
so his goal is to become an NPC?

[Anonymous No.15241681]

>>15241675
No U.G isn't a religion and is he anti method

[Anonymous No.15241688]

>>15241679
No, to become yourself fully and reclaim your actually REAL will, not the "will" (illusory) of thought or "I"

[Anonymous No.15241694]

>>15241263
How does he recommend you exist naturally? I saw him say there is no need to meditate, but how will you stop thinking without meditation ?

[Anonymous No.15241767]

>>15241694
No teaching, no teacher, no student, no technique, no method

[Anonymous No.15241828]

This cultist loves to spam his guru (and say he isn't a guru).

[Anonymous No.15241857]

>>15241681
yea, but he maintains the skeleton of Daoist-Buddhism.

>natural state
>independent existence
>no self

I guess the only thing he deviates from is the idea of change, which is accepted by both daoists and buddhists.

[Anonymous No.15241868]

>>15241828
Posting him is for laughs and to troll the arrogant posters here who read Kant and think they know everything., Posting him really makes no sense, but it triggers you so that's good

[Anonymous No.15241897]

>>15241767
I’ve been going down a similar path...no beliefs/ideologies but i really believe meditation helped me get there. I used to be depressed. How can you rationally convince yourself not to think? Words don’t beat emotions in my experience

[Anonymous No.15241910]

>>15241868
so you admit you are posting him to try to mislead people? you don’t think he’s even worth listening to?

[Anonymous No.15241965]

>>15241897
>How can you rationally convince yourself not to think?
Not possible, U.G denied this. There's a difference between thought no longer ruining your life and an idealistic nonsensical thoughtless state.
>>15241910
He is the final boss, but he's extreme as extreme can be if you want to achieve his calamity that is, which is a pipedream, but possible, you will have to fight and win that war of wars (all metaphors here)

[Anonymous No.15241994]

>>15241897
We are always talking about thought and thinking. What is thought? Have you ever looked at thought, let along controlling thought; let alone manipulating thought; let alone using that thought for achieving something material or otherwise? You cannot look at your thought, because you cannot separate yourself from thought and look at it. There is no thought apart from the knowledge you have about those thoughts -- the definitions you have. So if somebody asks you the question, "what is thought?" any answer you have is the answer that is put in there -- the answers that others have already given.

You have, through combinations and permutations of ideation and mentation about thoughts, created your own thoughts which you call your own. Just as when you mix different colors, you can create thousands of pastel colors, but basically all of them can be reduced to only seven colors that you find in nature. What you think is yours is the combination and permutation of all those thoughts, just the way you have created hundreds and hundreds of pastel colors. You have created your own ideas. That is what you call thinking. When you want to look at thought, what there is is only whatever you know about thought. Otherwise you can't look at thought. There is no thought other than what there is in what you know about thought. That's all that I am saying. So when that is understood the meaninglessness of the whole business of wanting to look at thought comes to an end. What there is is only what you know, the definitions given by others. And out of those definitions, if you are very intelligent and clever enough, you create your own definitions. That's all

[Anonymous No.15242003]

>>15241994
When you look at an object the knowledge you have about that object comes into your head. There is an illusion that thought is something different from objects, but it is you who creates the object. The object may be there, but the knowledge you have about that object is all that you know. Apart from that knowledge and independent of that knowledge, free from that knowledge, you have no way of knowing anything about it. You have no way of directly experiencing anything. The word "directly" does not mean that there is any other way of experiencing things other than the way you are experiencing things now. The knowledge you have about it is all that is there and that is what you are experiencing. Really, you do not know what it is.

In exactly the same way, when you want to know something about thought, or experience thought, it is the same process that is in operation there. There is no inside or outside. What there is is only the operation, the flow of the knowledge. So you cannot actually separate yourself from thought and look at it.

So when such a question is thrown at you, what should happen is [the realization] that none of the answers have any meaning, because all that is acquired and taught. So that movement stops. There is no need for you to answer the question. There is no need for you to know anything about it. All that you know comes to a halt. It has no momentum any more. It slows down, and then it dawns upon you that it is meaninglessness to try to answer that question, because it has no answer at all. The answers that others have given are there. So you have nothing to say on that thing called thought, because all you can say is what you have gathered from other sources. You have no answer of your own

[Anonymous No.15242061]

>>15241994
>>15242003
so he's basically saying thoughts are tautological? in other words he's just repeating pre-PI Wittgenstein.

is there anything new or unique about UG that isn't already explored?

[Anonymous No.15242135]

>>15242061
>is there anything new or unique about UG that isn't already explored?
His biological calamity

[Anonymous No.15242149]

>>15241557
That’s just foucault retard

[Anonymous No.15242221]

>>15242135
can you talk about biological calamity?

[Anonymous No.15242238]

>>15241273
guenon

[Anonymous No.15242244]

>>15242061
>so he's basically saying thoughts are tautological
More or less and an impediment of sorts suppressing the intelligence of the body

[Anonymous No.15242250]

>>15242221
There is much material of his on this subject from YouTube videos to the book "mystique of enlightenment".

[Anonymous No.15242336]

>>15242003
Why are thoughts automatically bad? I used to have a lot of negative thoughts but now my thoughts are neutral but I also have some nice fantasies. Why should I stop my fantasies and my imagination?

[Anonymous No.15242380]

>>15242336
They're a natural process of the brain. It's not a question of morality. It's a question if you want to go around and around the merry-go-round with different tints of the same color forever suffering, miseeeing, living in illusion. Thought is an absolute necessity to function sanely in a world created by the intellect, there is no thoughtless state, if one wants to escape the dream he must realize the one who wants to escape must be questioned to discover the nonexistence of it and that it is the impediment. Being yourself is all I'm saying and few people to have walked this earth have done it.

[Anonymous No.15242415]

>>15241273
Gaynon

[Anonymous No.15242579]

>>15242380
what dominates the body if thought doesn’t? nothing? everything?

[Anonymous No.15242722]

>>15241557
retard

[Anonymous No.15242726]

>>15241263
>ends philosophy
Only Icycalm has done that.

[Anonymous No.15242759]

>>15242722
Filtered

[Anonymous No.15242768]

>>15242579
Thought does. "Everything "you" are interested in is pain for the body"

[Anonymous No.15242774]

>>15241263
So basically just don't believe anything. I'm perfect already. I know everything already. Just sounds like standard boomer.

[Anonymous No.15242800]

>>15242774
>Just sounds like standard boomer.
What a fool you are

[Anonymous No.15242836]

>>15241263
Totally not dressing and doing it's hair to look like Einstein in as vague associative attempt for legitimacy. (I have no idea of the gender of this person.)

[Anonymous No.15242897]

>>15242836
Delusional but ok

[Anonymous No.15242945]

>>15242768
Oooooh. Ty

[Anonymous No.15242956]

>>15242768
and why should I let the body be in peace, why would I kill my self?

[Anonymous No.15242996]

>>15242956
There's nothing there to "kill" separate from the body that's the whole point of what he's saying. Your efforts, techniques lead you no where, it is upsetting the peace there, thoughts incessant fascistic need for permanence is unachievable
>why should my body be in peace?
Up to you how you live your life, but all your ailments are physically related has nothing to do with a "psyche" or "self" or "mind". All the mind does is interpret the sensations, the mind isn't actually affected or the one suffering, hence the mind/self/ "I" being unreal to U.G

[Anonymous No.15243011]

>>15241263
Literal retard.

[Anonymous No.15243028]

>>15243011
He scares you

[Anonymous No.15243944]

Bump

[Anonymous No.15243950]

>>15241263
This nigga aint end anything lol

[Anonymous No.15243961]

>>15241273
Guenon

[Anonymous No.15243999]

>>15243950
If only you knew

[Anonymous No.15244214]

His ideas are self defeating and ironically resemble the bhuddist thought he seems so against