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15240189 No.15240189 [Reply] [Original]

>In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
>And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

This angers the larpagan.

>> No.15240203

Based!

>> No.15240421

Based.

>> No.15240438

>quotes the Hebrew bible
based shabbos goy

>> No.15240481
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>>15240189
Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. 3You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

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>>15240189
Jesus wept.

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>>15240438
>Hebrew bible
No anon, that would be

In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).
And the earth was tohu vavohu (without form, and void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters.

>shabbos goy
But I am a Child of Israel and his grandfather Abraham in our shared faith in Christ.

>> No.15240526

>>15240517
>I am a child israel
only a larping goy would say something like this

>> No.15240546

>>15240517
didnt realize Rembrandt was such a shitty painter

>> No.15240566

>grabs his book and opens it and reads the first page that he opened it to
The wisdom of Solomon 8:19-20
I was a well-formed child, and a good soul fell to me, or rather, i was good and entered an undefiled body

So much for concils of men condemning the pre-existence of Souls. As this verse shows, we are both newly born and have pre-existed. In other words our bodies form a new part of our soul.

>> No.15240575

>>15240526
You'd be surprised.

>> No.15240683

>>15240566
>>grabs his book and opens it and reads the first page that he opened it to
nice magic tricks and pagan divinations bro. surely it couldn't lead you to spout satanic falsehoods right after engaging in it.
>So much for concils of men condemning the pre-existence of Souls.
oh....

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>>15240189
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

>> No.15240742

>>15240566
Looking at the surrounding text it really doesn't seem like that passage is talking about the preexistences of soul.

>> No.15240747

>>15240742
Souls*

>> No.15240751

>>15240189
Da Start, God Make Da World
>Da time wen eryting had start, God wen make da sky an da world.
>Da world come so no mo notting inside, no mo shape notting. On top da wild ocean dat cova eryting, neva had light notting. Ony had God Spirit dea, moving aroun ova da watta.

>> No.15240770

>>15240751
is this that nigerian dialect?

>> No.15240787

>>15240566
>we are both newly born and have pre-existed
>distorting scripture this bad to diminish and subvert the unique experience of Christ the Logos as the only pre-existing incarnate person
Truly a satanic delusion.

>> No.15240795

>>15240770
Is Da Jesus Book

>> No.15240813

There is nothing new under the sun. That which has been done, will be done again.

>> No.15240816

>>15240683
>nice magic tricks and pagan divinations bro. surely it couldn't lead you to spout satanic falsehoods right after engaging in it.
When Jesus did it in the temple it was fine but people still called him demonic, as if that rendered him obsolete.

>> No.15240828
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15240828

I will love You, O LORD, my strength.
The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
My God, my strength, in whom I will trust;
My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised;
So shall I be saved from my enemies.


>>15240189
>>15240481
>>15240487
>>15240725
Brothers... I shed a tear.

>> No.15240831

>>15240481
KJV only

>> No.15240843

>>15240816
>When Jesus did it in the temple
Where did Christ ever engage in demonic magic with the intent to undermine scripture? This is blasphemy.

>> No.15240888

>>15240742
>Looking at the surrounding text it really doesn't seem like that passage is talking about the preexistences of soul.
I can literally perceive the doctrine of Jacob Boheme in this concerning the virgin Sophia. I wonder how he was good and entered his undefiled body. how do you interpret that? Maybe your preexisting submission to official Doctrine is not letting you see what is absolutely plain.

>> No.15240919

>>15240787
>>distorting scripture this bad to diminish and subvert the unique experience of Christ the Logos as the only pre-existing incarnate person
>Truly a satanic delusion.
in fact Solomon said this thing within the context of these verses to disprove you. Solomon made a distinction between his own soul and Sophia. I guess you're like all the other religious people of various religions and try to render individual Souls as nothing.

>> No.15240934

>>15240843
>Where did Christ ever engage in demonic magic with the intent to undermine scripture? This is blasphemy.
You're unjustly accusing me. Magically calling me a heretic and evildoer doesn't make me one. People called Jesus a blasphemer too.

>> No.15240998

>>15240888
Well a couple things I say. Part of Christianity is considering what the church father's say. I don't see anything inconsistent in the context of Christianity to refer to the father's.
I can see no indication that the passage you cited, in context with the surrounding text is referring to the preexistence of souls. If you could explain I'd hear you out, but instead of doing that you claim I'm just being obtuse or something.
As far as the Boheme stuff you'd have to give me more to work with as I'm not familiar with his ideas. Why does it point to the preexistence of souls?

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>>15240888
>Solomon made a distinction between his own soul and Sophia.
Yes, because he was wise enough to distinguish his own created soul from Sophia (Christ/Logos).
How this shows the pagan doctrine of preexistence of souls is beyond me...

>> No.15241588

>>15240919
>>said this thing within the context of these verses to disprove you
>he literally claims to know what Solomon was thinking when writing these words
>he literally claims that countless saints and learned theologians got it wrong and a bunch of pagan heretics got it right, along with the Holy Spirit failing to let the Church know that this heretical doctrine was actually not heretical all along
prelest.

>>15240934
>>You're unjustly accusing me.
>calls the Holy Bible a mere "book"
>opens Holy Scripture at random without praying and reading with clear intent
>uses a magic ritual and arrives at condemned heresy as a result
seems pretty just to me.

>> No.15241671

>>15240998
Origen was the one that spoke of the pre-existence of Souls and was later on condemned for it. I have never heard anyone refute what Origen said and so I am now a proponent for the pre-existence of Souls. So now that everyone says it's heretical it's mostly because they were told it is what Heretics believe. Since Jesus was considered a heretic by many the argument of "it's heretical" means nothing. No one told me why I was wrong they only condemned me for not being like they are.

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>>15241671
>was later on condemned for it
>I have never heard anyone refute what Origen said

>> No.15241724

>>15240795
Actually, it's Da Befo Jesus Book. Da Jesus Book refers strictly to the New Testament.

>> No.15241757

>>15241551
Keep ignoring how Solomon said his soul entered his body. Ignore what Jeremiah said about God knowing him before he was formed in his mother's womb. you have to interpret the texts according to what some people that you don't know decided was the truth. You cut out specific interpretations because of an arbitrary thing that someone said. you have faith that these men who have told you things are right and that God inspired them. Well I have faith that God inspired origen.

>> No.15241759

>I applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness:
>And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.
>Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:
>Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.

>> No.15241766

>>15240189
>religion

>> No.15241770

>Ignore what Jeremiah said about God knowing him before he was formed in his mother's womb.
>implying God needs to create a soul to know it beforehand
>implying God lacks knowledge before he creates
Very weak bait.

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>>15241757
>you have to interpret the texts according to what some people that you don't know decided was the truth. You cut out specific interpretations because of an arbitrary thing that someone said. you have faith that these men who have told you things are right and that God inspired them. Well I have faith that God inspired origen.

>> No.15241815

>>15241757
>outright denying the inspired nature of ecumenical councils
cringe. heretics these days don't even try to twist the councils to support their views. lazy and pathetic.

>> No.15241822

>>15241588
>prelest
I claim to be inspired by God. God revealed to me that my soul existed before I was born as a human in this world. but let's ignore that because we all believe that God is leading us. The Shepherd of hermas also claims that souls pre-existed. Who am I to believe? The humble hermas and an angel who I think are much more part of the church then your nameless Saints and theologians. it was already prophesied that the multitude would desire the release of the murderer and Rebel instead of Christ. little disgust me more than the smug and prideful religious people that believe in their religion as fine and perfect when the new testament shows how much smug and prideful religious people persecuted Christ.

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>>15241822
>I claim to be inspired by God. God revealed to me that my soul existed before I was born as a human in this world. but let's ignore that because we all believe that God is leading us. The Shepherd of hermas also claims that souls pre-existed. Who am I to believe? The humble hermas and an angel who I think are much more part of the church then your nameless Saints and theologians. it was already prophesied that the multitude would desire the release of the murderer and Rebel instead of Christ. little disgust me more than the smug and prideful religious people that believe in their religion as fine and perfect when the new testament shows how much smug and prideful religious people persecuted Christ.

>> No.15241846

I sure do love (((christianity))) and not the eons of esoteric mysticism of my ancestors

>> No.15241852
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Genesis 11:4-6

4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower the people were building.
6 The LORD said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.

The Semitic God fears a mankind united, and so confounded our language and divided our hearts
Babel is the platform from which Man reaches Divinity

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>>15241822
>I claim to be inspired by God. God revealed to me that my soul existed before I was born as a human in this world.
Omg... This... I too am Initiated... All religions are the truth brother! Organized religion is so corrupt... The old testament was so evil... So much this.....
>>15241852
Omg... This... I hate how intolerant the old testament is towards unity, especially sexual unity....

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>>15241846
Omg... This... I took an initiation from Guru Sanjeesh Johnson yesterday in California and I am feeling my chakras initiatically rise to the World Center.... The New Age is coming brothers... We shall arrive at the end of the Kali yuga.......

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>>15241846
>I sure do love (((christianity))) and not the eons of esoteric mysticism of my ancestors

>> No.15241929

>>15240517
It's Elokim you dirty goy.

>> No.15241932

>>15241671
Yeah what the anime guy said. I've heard plenty of people argue against the pre-existence of souls. I literally read St Maximus talking about how Origen was wrong earlier this month.
>>15241852
>He's a globalist
Uh oh!

>> No.15241940

>>15240725
If you don’t think that everything is simply a result of previous political games then what the fuck is wrong with you?

What was God’s point of slavery

>> No.15241949

>>15241940
The true red pill is realizing that slavery was not really that bad. Despotic masters were few and far between, and often they were simply a net drain on their masters, despite making their crops more productive, since they were just additional mouths to feed.

Let’s be honest, even slaves believed in God

>> No.15242072

>>15241715
Condemning someone is not the same thing as refuting them. Come at me, all you condemners and haters of my teacher origen! Let's see how wise you are. Let's see if you know the scriptures and if you commune with Sophia. Because I get tired of you throwing stones at just and good people. To this day you are killing the prophets.

>> No.15242125

>>15241932
>I literally read St Maximus talking about how Origen was wrong earlier this month.
What did this person say? It would be amazing if someone would actually say something against origen. Because so far it feels like I'm being trolled by 4chan larpers who pretend that they're Christians.

>> No.15242143

>>15241879
You must be 15 years old. You can tell that you're getting old when you start to hate young people.

>> No.15242147

>>15242125
Hold on one sec bro

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>>15242125
Sorry that took so long been smoking some doobage

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>>15242312

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>>15242323

>> No.15242760

>>15242330
Thanks for the effort post. I have already spotted an error of his that origen "retroactively refuted". There is a death for the soul, it's called spiritual death. those who live in christ cannot die because obviously he is the Souls life. but Maximus tries to reason that the soul can die in the same manner that this corruptible flesh can die. then to defend his view further he has to admit that a soul and flesh must be for a man to be, even though the New Testament says that we will have a Celestial body which is not the same thing as a terrestrial body which already implies that the soul can have different kinds of bodies. So basically he takes a materialistic belief about the soul and takes the logic to its conclusion. Popular Christianity cannot accept the consequences for the doctrine of the pre-existence of Souls. It would mean that all human beings are much more closely related to the Son of God than official Christianity accepts, Because our souls pre-existed just like Jesus Christ soul did. The only difference is that his soul did not fall like most others in this world did.

>> No.15242810

>>15240189
Job 9:22

>> No.15242961

>>15242760
>pre-existed just like Jesus Christ soul did
>his soul did not fall
Christ's soul is proper to his human nature, which he did not assume before the incarnation. Since when did his created soul pre-exist according to your silly belief?

>> No.15243139

>>15240189
Deuteronomy 5:9
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me

Deuteronomy 21
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, this son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard. Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you.

Leviticus 20
'If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people.

Hosea 13:14
I will have no compassion.

Hosea 13:16
The people of the Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.

1 Samuel 15:3
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

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>>15243139
Hello, based department?

>> No.15243170

Leviticus 26
Punishment for Disobedience
I will bring upon you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and drain away your life You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it
I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you
If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over
I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze
Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of the land yield their fruit
If you remain hostile towards me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve
I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted
If in spite of these things you do not accept my correction but continue to be hostile towards me,
I myself will be hostile towards you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over
And I will bring the sword upon you to avenge the breaking of the covenant When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands
When I cut off your supply of bread, ten women will be able to bake your bread in one oven, and they will dole out the bread by weight You will eat, but you will not be satisfied
If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile towards me,
then in my anger I will be hostile towards you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over
You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters
I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you
I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings
I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled
I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins
As for those of you who are left, I will make their hearts so fearful in the lands of their enemies that the sound of a wind-blown leaf will put them to flight They will run as though fleeing from the sword, and they will fall, even though no one is pursuing them
They will stumble over one another as though fleeing from the sword, even though no one is pursuing them So you will not be able to stand before your enemies
You will perish among the nations; the land of your enemies will devour you
Those of you who are left will waste away in the lands of their enemies because of their sins; also because of their fathers sins, they will waste away

>> No.15243875

Based