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‘I moralised and starved until one day I swore I would
be a full-fed free man at all costs; that nothing should stop me except a
bullet, neither reason nor morals nor the lives of other men. I said “Thou
shalt starve ere I starve”; and with that word I became free and great. I was
a dangerous man until I had my will: now I am a useful, beneficent, kindly
person.’ He has, so to speak, sinned his way to salvation
There are philosophies with this notion of enlightenment through egoism.
It would as well be congruent with Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
For how can poor and desperate truly care about spirituality when they dont have base desires fulfilled?
They most likely suppress them into unconscious until it manifests later given the opportunity.

Is sinning to salvation the most based and final redpill?

>> No.15218641

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>> No.15218742
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15218742

No

>> No.15218816

>>15218742
Doesnt matter if u are starving and dont have any safety. Material desires need to be satisfied first that is part of ones spiritual journey as well . In some traditions you can only begin after satisfying all your desires, that only the spiritual one is left.

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15218924

>>15218816
No

>> No.15219195

>>15218924
subverted jewish values , the poor are miserable and commit most crimes

>> No.15220120

bump

>> No.15220253

>>15218742
It's funny that you contradict the message of Macarius the Egyptian from your image. It's about wisdom, and sometimes wisdom appears insane or sinful. Point is, life is too contradictory to expect that one will find stability, life is not a book that you might read it, but God alone knows its pages. Lay out the perfect path of wisdom, and God will show you that you're wrong.

>> No.15220397

>>15218303
>Christcucks repent
Of what? Perhaps you mean only a rule-bound Christianity that can only exist in the mind of an intellectual.

>Maslow's hierarchy?
Yes, in a way. This is why the Jews emphasized the physical temple in Jerusalem even though they knew that God had no dwelling place, and all the earth was His. The Jerusalem temple was seen as representing a rarefied state of being close to God, something which was only possible to enter when one was pure by ritual washing, and fed from ritual sacrifice, with one's sins atoned for. Atonement actually is an old verbal contraction of the words "at" and "one," therefore at-one-ment, in fact some people think atonement specifically is a made-up word from early Bible translators.

So yes, but asceticism is also a way to experience God. By depriving the animal senses one is left barren and hence better able to appreciate the life God has given. We hear of John the Baptist that he fed on locusts and wild honey. He was literally so savage with hunger that he would smash up a bees nest and get stung a thousand times just to eat. If you had to do that for food, you'd be enlightened as to the truth of life as well.

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>>15220397
Sure great misery, suffering and pain can lead to illumination but is that the wisest path of getting stung by bees your whole life?
Overwhelming the senses until all the pleasure subsides is a valid strategy as well , one perhaps more reliable.
If you are satisfied in all aspects and completely sure that material reality cannot bring transcendental happiness then only genuine desire for god/liberation is left.
The poor are often tempted to compromise their spirituality for materialism simply because such approach is unhealthy as you're not following up the steps but trying to skip them.
The soul wants to experience joys of material reality as well as god, there is purpose in both inner and outer.Satisfying desires can be part of active spiritual path if one is conscious and non attached.

>> No.15220655

>>15218303
stfu about whatever this thread is about and tell us what movie that is

>> No.15220672

>>15218742
Yeah sorry but Jesus saves, not your attitude toward scorn and praise.

Christian philosophy is a 2000 year old cope.

>> No.15220680

>>15219195
> subverted jewish values
Why whenever people don’t like something in xianity, they call the thing Jewish? This seems to be influenced in part by the stoics/ cynics etc?

>> No.15221374

>>15220655
I AM UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED SON OF UTHRED
>DESTINY IS ALL

>> No.15222948

>>15218742
>>15218924
Based

>> No.15222964

>>15219195
>fasting
>being poor

>> No.15222974

>>15222964
Poor peoples cope