Learning a language to read the original text I think is the best reason to learn a language. Translations seem to vary widely. Which language are you learning?

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Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:22:17 2020 No.15211910 [Reply] [Original]

Learning a language to read the original text I think is the best reason to learn a language. Translations seem to vary widely. Which language are you learning?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:25:06 2020 No.15211936 >>15211910 Trying to learn Spanish but fuck me the spoken form is like a machine gun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:25:12 2020 No.15211937 Most Irish people are against the Irish Langauage and resent it for them teachers havin maesdt them learned it in schrool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:26:14 2020 No.15211946 >>15211910 I want to pick up joyce's torch and continue the lingual experiment he started in finnegans wake English as we know it must be dissolved

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:28:37 2020 No.15211972 Reading the Bible in different languages is one of the most interesting things one can do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:53:13 2020 No.15212143 >>15211937 i wouldn't say i resent it, i just wish schools taught it better

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:54:28 2020 No.15212153 I'm learning Irish too Being from the north I'm very jealous of you op. I wish I had been taught it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:54:47 2020 No.15212158 >>15211937 Yup t. Irish

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:01:58 2020 No.15212224 >>15212153 I'm not Irish. It's only a related image. Irish is definitely interesting, though. I wish that they spoke Irish primarily instead of English.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:05:41 2020 No.15212250 >>15212224 ah I see > I wish that they spoke Irish primarily instead of English. yeah me too

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:19:01 2020 No.15212343 just spent about half an hour trying to figure out wtf are those little micro-gaeltachts doing on the west of strangford lough before realising its just the resolution of the map making the shoreline look dark. cheers OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:21:10 2020 No.15212354 >>15212343 I think you're blind pal, clear at glance there's nothing there

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:21:55 2020 No.15212358
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I wouldn't saying learning it is right but I am improving my Scottish.
Mostly by learning proverbs since now I can read most of the texts without trouble.
Very fun. I recommend it to others since it makes you think about learning languages but it isn't forcing you to learn a whole new way entirely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:22:26 2020 No.15212361 >>15212354 definitly looks like little green spots

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:29:16 2020 No.15212407

>>15211910
Learning german. It is crazy how bad translations are. DeepL is often superior on a sentence by sentence basis.

Once I get somewhere with german, i'd love to learn french or italian. when i listen to french its pretty crazy how much you can glean from it as an english native (with some french schooling)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:32:25 2020 No.15212441 >>15211910 german

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:56:39 2020 No.15212635
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>>15212143
Exactly.

>>15212153
Join your local pop-up gaeltacht.
Táim ábalta gaeilge a labhairt le mo chairde anois mar an ócáid. Tá a lán craic ann, agus eiríonn an teanga níos éasca le t-am. Is féidir leat bualadh le daoine suimiúla freisin.

>>15211910
Spent a whole summer learning Ancient Greek to read Homer. Made poor translations of the Iliad's first few chapters, but was very much worth it. Made me appreciate Homer so much more.

I'm always learning Irish, but thinking of soon learning some German for a better appreciation of Kant, Hegel, and Marx.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:59:20 2020 No.15212662 >>15211910 Italian, because Machiavelli is mah boy

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:01:12 2020 No.15212680 >>15211937 >>15212143 >>15212158 I like to believe that if I had the option to learn the dying language of my ancestors and keep it alive I would.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:05:42 2020 No.15212721 File: 160 KB, 496x691, 1588021484017.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >The percentage of respondents aged 3+ who said they spoke Irish daily outside the education system in the 2011 census in Ireland.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:23:18 2020 No.15212871

>>15212680
I will eventually, my sister studies Irish in university. I am learning french and german at the moment, when I am 'finished' (you are never finished with a language, but roughly C1 level) I will be starting learning irish. I hope to do this in a year or two. I don't want to be half arsed either, I will pay money for immersion in a gaeltaecht when I can. i am embarrassed that I can't speak the language my family spoke 4 generations ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:31:04 2020 No.15212943 File: 146 KB, 917x871, Sad;(.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15212224 >I wish that they spoke Irish primarily instead of English. Me too

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:34:09 2020 No.15212967
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>>15212635
I am... something Irish something to do with reading or books with my friends something because something something.... there's a lot of craic, and something something time. You ... something

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:37:11 2020 No.15212992 https://youtu.be/UP4nXlKJx_4

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:44:50 2020 No.15213046 >>15212992 >there are still storytellers reciting tales of heroic deeds in heroic languages https://youtu.be/L9TJMrKpe0k

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:54:02 2020 No.15213117 >>15212721 So Ireland with Irish is like Canada with French?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:55:26 2020 No.15213128 >>15212635 mr skeltal

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:57:32 2020 No.15213142
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>>15212967
>Táim ábalta gaeilge a labhairt le mo chairde anois mar an ócáid. T
I am able to speak Irish with my friends now because of the event.
>Tá a lán craic ann, agus eiríonn an teanga níos éasca le t-am.
There's a lot of craic there, and the language becomes easier with time.
>Is féidir leat bualadh le roinnt daoine suimiúla freisin
You can meet some interesting people also.

Get Duolingo on your phone, practice your Gaeilge for 10 minutes every day. Go to your local Pop-Up Gaeltacht or ciorcal comhrá whenever you get the chance. Guarantee you'll be having the auld comhrá with na Gaelgeoiri in no time; including the sexy múinteoirí in training.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:58:33 2020 No.15213150 >>15212153 They do teach it in the north

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:02:31 2020 No.15213175 >>15213142 I'm doing the Duolingo and planning on getting some books or something and learning properly Living in England atm unfortunately but when I move home I will be taking class and all that

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:03:44 2020 No.15213185 >>15213150 My formal eduction as Gaeilge totalled two months in my first year of secondary school before I was made to take German and French

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:04:45 2020 No.15213193

>>15211910
What do you intend to read in Irish, OP? I say good on you for your endeavour. Be wary of synthetic verb endings. They may confuse you at first, but are consistent and more aesthetic. The simplified Irish of the present-day nearly lacks it entirely.

I would also like to take this opportunity to make a bold statement. Fuck all Irish people who say learning Irish today is hard.

I accept the point of teachers with broken Irish teaching children broken Irish, who in turn go on to become teaches themselves with broken Irish and pass their broken Irish back into the system. However, Irish has been so simplfied and made so much more accessible over the last eighty years that I am beginning to think there are one of two problems at play:

1. Attitude and mindset are the cause of the inability to acquire Irish
2. My compatriots are actually retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:12:29 2020 No.15213254 >>15211972 elaborate? sounds cool. what have you found?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:18:20 2020 No.15213306
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Taught myself the four big romance languages so far. I've read books in all of them. I want to learn more languages, but I'm not sure which one I'll go for next. Maybe Greek or German. Or maybe I'll learn another romance language like Occitan or something. I'm not sure. Learning languages is fun though and 100% worth it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:19:54 2020 No.15213326 >>15211910 I am interested in learning Latin since it's got plenty of great literature and should lend itself to learning other romance languages later on. but I wanted to do it in person and that's not an option until this thing blows over.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:33:45 2020 No.15213428
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>>15213175
Keep the enthusiasm going.There'll come a moment when you wake up in the morning and your first thought will be in Irish, and when that happens you'll feel a great sense of personal self-assertion that it will lock you into the language for life. The language is a wonderful and rewarding resource.

>>15213193
>Attitude and mindset are the cause of the inability to acquire Irish
Our culture reeks of self-depreciation. You also hear it with regards to traditional music ("diddly-idle" and the like). I put this down to a lack of authentic exposure. If all the trad music you hear is that which is blaring out of a souvenir shop in Westmoreland Street, then you'd be justified in seeing it as a cheap commodity packaged and sold to Americans. Gaeilge has also fallen into this problem. However, I would contend that if a student spends their whole life learning Irish but then can't have a simple conversation at the end of it - that education system is more than faulty, that system is deliberately built to neglect the education of the language.
You have to remember that since the formation of the state there has been a deliberate effort by Fianna Fail and Fine Gael to integrate Ireland into an English speaking economy. Fianna Fail used to instruct the poorer Jesuit schools to discourage the use of the language - and instead it only remained in the more prestigious schools. Eventually it became a political tool for highly educated families to play as a card to the local populace, claiming that they were "real gaels". Culture, once again, became a victim to capital.
The self-hate also existed pre-state, where colonialism made it the language of the poor (something which was looked down upon). Couple this factor with numerous famines, and we see why the language has taken such a beating.
With regards to language difficulty, the linguistic turn is easily learned when you sit down in front of someone else and you're actually forced to speak it. To teach it to children-teenagers in pure theoretics and writing is just a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:36:00 2020 No.15213449 Why doe the Irish spell craic like that? It isn't an Irish word.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:39:11 2020 No.15213472 >>15213449 It's been gaelicised to fit with the language, as have a million other words

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:45:48 2020 No.15213526 >>15213185 I had to do Irish first, second and third year. Then had to pick either french or Irish for GCSE.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:53:29 2020 No.15213571

>>15213428
I agree with your evaluation. An inferiority complex grips the Irish psyche. I could tell stories that would serve as confirmation of this insurmountable fact, but I am going to hit the hay.

Éire is long dead. She has been replaced by a derivative blur between the United States and Britain that is driven by money alone and is called Ireland.

Má tá an snáithe seo fós ag dul ar aghaidh ar maidin, labhróidh muid faoi chás na hÉireann a thuilleadh, a anon, mar is annamh an rud é snáithe mar seo. Coladh sámh agus bás in Éirinn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:59:10 2020 No.15213612 >>15213571 Níl sí marbh fós! Oíche mhaith a anon.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:04:54 2020 No.15213670

>>15213526
We were given four wee taster courses in Irish Spanish German and French in first year, then had to pick two to do for second and third year.
I picked German and Irish, but due to timetable fuckery I ended up doing German and French, which I hated.
Then German didn't have the numbers to run at GCSE level so I had to do French, a language I'd no interest in at all.
Irish also didn't run at GCSE level either, anyway.
I am still extremely butthurt about this

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:15:47 2020 No.15213738

>>15213428
Fantastic incisive post, maith thú! I wouldn't call our people self-deprecating per se but mired in guilt knowing their heritage is dying yet stuck in apathy with regards to learning the language because of the education system. You're absolutely right that our attitudes towards Gaeilge are being deliberately degraded, that Jesuit example shows the nature of the power-play at hand here, and the mechanisms of control have only grown more insidious since then; again I would point to apathy as the crowning outcome of this plan, firstly for our language and through that for our heritage and culture. But it's so deeply rooted into us, we know at a genetic level that something isn't right. If we had a proper, historical, grassroots Gaelic revival movement it could do amazing things for this country. Fortunately, it's no longer self-hate!

>>15213571
You're either a clever shill or a disillusioned traitor of your people; either way you're subverting the message. Éireann go brath. She is far from dead. There may well be more life in the Irish people now than at any time since the famine, perhaps not community life, but a personal spiritual drive to retain our connection with the land and the people as we used to be. It can happen, it must happen, it will happen. Our day will come

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:16:01 2020 No.15213742 >>15213117 It seem to be worse as québécois are proud of their language unlike Irish people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:22:03 2020 No.15213788 >>15213738 Dunno now that you starting to import mass immigrants into Ireland how do you expect them to learn Irish when your own people where not successful in it ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:32:24 2020 No.15213846 >>15213788 Our people were successful for many centuries learning Irish from the cradle. And indeed we still have a great affinity for the spoken word. 'Tis not I who is importing

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:33:16 2020 No.15213852 currently getting into ASL

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:34:58 2020 No.15213864

Since we're discussing language/linguistics more or less in here, can anyone give tips on self-teaching language?

Should I just start with something like Duolingo and order some easier literature in the languages I'm interested in learning more of? Maybe try to get some people fluent in those languages to agree to let me practice with them too? I can speak some German, but I've lost all ability to speak/form grammatically correct sentences from lack of practice. Being an American, I didn't have access to a very good foreign language program in high school either.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:42:27 2020 No.15213900
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>>15213738
Thanks. If you're interested in an article outlining the current and historical situation of the language, have a look at: https://ciotogclaonta.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/somhairle-imr-forces-to-be-reckoned-with-3.pdf
I warn you though, it's written for a Trotskyite mag; so read around the trotiness for the good content.

>>15213788
This can be a problem. But it's as much a problem as the huge swathes of our local population moving abroad for work, or the increasing city population that lacks an incentive to pick up the language. Austerity also did a number on the ability of working people to find the free-time to pick up the language (Per James Connolly: "you cannot teach starving men Gaelic"). Like I said, it's an orientation towards an English economy. The best thing we can do is to try and follow the Basque (and to some extent the Welsh) communities who have reclaimed their language through a combination of grassroots activism and political pressure. The more talking groups (pop-up gaeltachts/ciorcal comhrá) we make for people, the easier it is for them to attempt the change.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 20:08:06 2020 No.15214073

>>15212635
>Táim ábalta gaeilge a labhairt le mo chairde anois mar an ócáid. Tá a lán craic ann, agus eiríonn an teanga níos éasca le t-am. Is féidir leat bualadh le daoine suimiúla freisin.
pretty. english is such an ugly language, it's really lowbrow and brutish. irish is the closest to elvish i can conceive. fuck angloids for what they did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 20:11:06 2020 No.15214091 File: 25 KB, 327x327, ki-81D3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15211910 still learning nip. such suffering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 21:14:23 2020 No.15214453 >>15214091 Is it really that hard?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 21:18:38 2020 No.15214484 >>15214453 only if you're retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 21:27:12 2020 No.15214537 File: 9 KB, 155x199, toplel1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15213900 >that pic

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 21:38:48 2020 No.15214612 >>15214453 it is a chore to write and read, but very simple speaking, listening and grammar. Imagine learning the alphabet along your whole school life

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 21:55:39 2020 No.15214703 Ancient Greek. After that, I’d like to learn either German or Italian.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 22:00:43 2020 No.15214731 >>15213428 >Our culture reeks of self-depreciation Funny, you mention this. I’ve noticed that Americans with Irish heritage tend to be very self deprecating as well. They also refuse to take compliments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 22:00:47 2020 No.15214732 ireland, per capita, has contributed 100 times as much to literature as england

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 22:02:29 2020 No.15214744 I’ve recently come to appreciate Russian and Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 22:58:04 2020 No.15215020 >>15213117 No, not really

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 23:09:13 2020 No.15215069 Constant yank cope on this site w/r/t Ireland

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 23:39:59 2020 No.15215263 have any of you autists divined the most expedient method for learning a language? I have recently tried the mass immersion approach, but now I am considering just learning the most common words, some basic grammar, and try to read native material

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 23:45:18 2020 No.15215286 >>15214453 It's not that remembering「猫」 is significantly harder than "cat" it's just that there's a lot to learn because it bears essentially no helpful similarities with most other common languages.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 23:56:03 2020 No.15215327 Learning Latin for no particular reason. Already had a basic understanding of grammar. Completed the Duolingo course yesterday (it's lackluster but easy and enjoyable) and now going through LLPSE.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 00:14:36 2020 No.15215437 >>15211910 I spent most of last year autistically learning Latin. I've been reading Seneca's Epistulae and Cicero's Tusculanae disputationes, both beautiful texts. My goals for now are to continue with Latin and brush up on my French.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 00:27:17 2020 No.15215552 >>15211910 French, it's going well. I've been trying to start German as well, haven't been able to find time, and I'm much more enthusiastic about learning French right now anyways. I'll have some space after classes finish up.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 00:30:43 2020 No.15215582
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Like a classics man the main languages to learn are French, German, Italian, and Latin. This is standard throughout any learned man of the 18th and 19 centuries, with before WW1 German growing to be the lingua franca of Europe.

For the modern take I will add one Mandarin and one Hindoo language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 00:34:36 2020 No.15215615 >>15213046 https://youtu.be/kSthwKHChs0

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 00:37:40 2020 No.15215633 >>15211910 Irish should be obligatory both in Northern and "Southern" Ireland.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 01:51:28 2020 No.15216033 Irish as well, I got H2 in my leaving I'm now aiming for B2 or C1 level next year >>15211937 it's more we feel bad not being fluent in it and it's hard to learn in school.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 02:49:43 2020 No.15216312 >>15214091 >>15215286 sad! Imagine struggling with Hanzi instead of exclusively using them. 汉字,最好的文字。太繁复weeb吗?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 02:50:30 2020 No.15216319 >>15214091 Also learning Mandarin. It's way easier than it's made out to be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 02:53:07 2020 No.15216335 >>15216319 我同意,你几月学之后语法很不难但成语太多。

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 02:54:47 2020 No.15216346 >>15215582 That makes no sense. People back then learnt those languages because they HAD to for trade and news purposes. Not because learning them made them enlightened.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 04:47:00 2020 No.15216860

>>15213738
I am disillusioned, anon. I work for the Irish state as Gaeilge in a "Baile Seirbhíse Gaeltachta". I am rather involved in "saol na Gaeilge". I am responsible for translation projects and help Irish citizens who want to deal with the state in Irish. I even formulated a policy for the Irish language for a particular political party. It was accepted at every stage, but due to internal politics, it was not adopted as the official party policy.

I would like to think that my finger is on the pulse when it comes to Irish life in the Gaeltacht and the Galltacht. I was once idealistic and impassioned about it, but the rosiness scrapped off after years of struggle; and it is not just that I have become disimpassioned by the political and state side of the matter. As a matter of fact, what the second language learners are "learning" is often terribly anglicised in grammar, construction and pronunciation. Gaeilge ghallda is what it is -- and no, "Gaeilge briste" is not better than "Béarla cliste" . Nothing of inferior quality is better than something done well. Moreover, language is tailored to the worldview of the people who speak it. If you use an Irish that is awash with English idioms, English grammar and English pronunciation, then you are not speaking Irish and you are missing the entire point of speaking it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 04:51:17 2020 No.15216873

>>15213742
They need to up their game like the Welsh. From what I understand Welsh was seriously endangered, but they said fuck that and brought it back into relevance. Now there's a whole TV channel entirely in Welsh and it's mandatory learning in schools.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 04:54:02 2020 No.15216881 >>15216346 Cope

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 04:57:08 2020 No.15216899

>>15216873
We already have an Irish TV channel and radio station. The problem is the people are too busy aping the Brits and Yanks. The cringiest thing I perpetually see is Irish people calling other Irish people un-Irish because they do not speak with the Irish dialect of English, even though they cannot speak a word of Irish (Hiberno-English is actually dead by the way, and what they are speaking is mildly distinctive from English at best nowadays).

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 05:12:38 2020 No.15216961

>>15216899
Could be worse, as in a story I heard about a Native American language with only two native speakers left, but they didn't like each other, so the language was good as dead. One of the men might have passed since then, but it still works as a funny anecdote.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:08:24 2020 No.15217499 Bump

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:11:29 2020 No.15217511

>>15216860
Jesus, my heart goes out to you, because yours is obviously in the right place -- I can tell because that policy of yours was blocked at the bureaucratic level. I'm sure it was a good one, that's why at the human level it flew. It's really unfortunate that you've come up against the hard edge of it, worse that it's blunted your enthusiasm.
What you came up against is a concerted, top-down effort to subvert our language and turn us off our heritage. It's a literal bulletpoint plan in someone's mind, I tell you. You've evidenced it very strongly with the Anglicisation that's happening. Actually I myself only recognised that point recently on /pol/, you'll find my post in the archives if you search "cúpla focail". It's insidious and it's very hard to fight against from the inside or the outside. By its very design, inside or outside the system we're supposed to either be too ignorant of the old true way of things to realise, or as in your case, to be utterly disillusioned and disheartened by the realisation. You need to look within, reignite the fire! My suggestion to you would be to find and read the oldest texts you can, the mythology, the annals. You just can't keep banging your head against this wall, so start expanding in other directions, moving back even towards Old Irish. You have to start seeking the truth within yourself, and in your heritage, because in the world today it's being buried. That's where you'll rediscover the love that brought you into the sadly misdirected corporate state of things today, and good will come of it.

The kids who are growing up today with this sick amputee language need to see a true wild specimen to understand, and they'll get it in one look. I swear it, we have it in our genetic memory to recognise our ancestral tongue. We just can't relate to this neo-Irish. Find a seanchaí to talk to, someone like that, transmit as much as you can of what is dying, so valuable it is, you'll likewise inspire everybody around you when they see that authenticity. You're on the front lines of this and have a real fight on your hands, your life being bound up in it as it is. These are very real evil interests that you've run into, so don't let your work be so faceless and horrible. Look everywhere you can, and try to find the humanity, it's our heritage and history. Think of the old people and the old books, fading away with nobody to hear their language, while your well-intentioned proposal went in the bin. That pure part of your soul was dirtied by this fucking shower, instead, be wise with it; it seems there's very much groundwork to be laid if we're ever to save our language. And I shouldn't have called you a race traitor anyway, that was the faceless aspect seeping in. Tír gan teanga, tír gan ainm

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:11:32 2020 No.15217513 English

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:48:04 2020 No.15217685

>>15212635
>marx
Id bet you are some insufferable cunt who goes to abortion marches and campaigned for gay marriage. Probably went to Gaynooth for college. You wont be so smart on DOTR. The spirit of Cu Chulainn will rise again and all filthy godless communists will be expelled from this land.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:55:49 2020 No.15217721 >>15211937 Most colonized. Even after ejecting your foreign overlords in a glorious bloody struggle, you still speak their language exclusively. Please try a bit harder.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:11:44 2020 No.15217788 >>15212680 Same. Shit, I don't have to consider anything, I know I would.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:16:40 2020 No.15217800

>>15216860
This sort of anglicization is very widespread. It also occurs in my language. I have been making a conscious effort toward eliminating any internationalisms, english idioms or english-like construction in my speech. And my state has no history with England whatsoever.
It is horrifying. It raises my hair just thinking about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:18:32 2020 No.15217809 >>15211937 Why? It seems like a based language.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:20:39 2020 No.15217817

>>15217511
I shall say first that the time you spend on your posts is appreciated.

Alas, the waters of the springs by which I would gather my strength have waned in potency. From Irish mythology to etymology to nomenclature, and all in between. I would be of a mind - and many fellow Irish-speakers are of this opinion too - that home rule should be sought for the Gaeltacht. Particularly so because I suspect Irish will become de-compulsory in the coming years. Moreover, any union with the North will inevitably be built on the removal of Irish as the first official language of Irelandz along with various other badges of distinction.

Ceapaim go bhfuil an cath caillte tríd 's tríd, a mhac.

I see you mention /pol/. If you are an Irish nationalist, I hope you speak and read Irish fluently -- Irish nationalism articulated through the English language with a cúpla focal thrown is asinine at best. Moreover, I hope you are not enthralled to that Levantine deathcult that has actively worked against Irish sovereignty and the Irish psyche.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:25:05 2020 No.15217835 Would I be wasting my time learning a middle eastern language like Farsi?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:26:45 2020 No.15217849 >>15217817 *thrown in

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:27:48 2020 No.15217855 >>15217835 learning another language is never a waste of time

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:36:11 2020 No.15217882 >>15217855 Not him but is if you never use it. Why else would you learn a language?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:39:05 2020 No.15217895 >>15217882 For the grammatics. We think verbally. It is concievable that having multiple grammatics in mind would aid clarity of thought.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:42:25 2020 No.15217912 >>15217895 >aid clarity of thought. Explain

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:44:53 2020 No.15217930 >>15217912 It is an assumption. I do not have the grounds to defend it with conviction, because I am not fully convinced in it. I have nearly always been bilingual, so I cannot talk about the difference, either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:45:08 2020 No.15217931 Learning Germ currently so I can smash cuties once I go work on construction sites. Bavarian madchen can't resist this BBC (Big Balkan Cock).

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:47:01 2020 No.15217939 >>15217931 Eh zemljače ostani doma. Država će ti iskrvariti nastavi li se ovo; svi se sele.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:48:17 2020 No.15217952 Friendly reminder that it's pointless to learn a language for the sake of reading unless you also learn how to translate; which is an art in and of itself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:49:02 2020 No.15217954 >>15217809 Ireland's economy actually kind of depends on them speaking English rather than their own language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:50:39 2020 No.15217966 >>15217939 Jbg bajsone, dok ne iskrvari do kraja neće biti bolje.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:50:41 2020 No.15217967 >>15217952 Translation is just comprehension + communication. You only need to be mindful of the used terms and their connection with concepts, so that you do not translate the same term using different ones and ruin the work's clarity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:53:32 2020 No.15217985 >>15217954 Yet all the other Euro countries neighbouring us that dont speak English are fine, so I think we'd be fine without English.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:57:15 2020 No.15218010 >>15217985 it's more the fact that Ireland's economy is largely dependent on multinationals like Facebook, who wouldn't set up shop there if Ireland didn't speak English as the first language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:00:20 2020 No.15218026 >>15218010 That's not why they set up shop there retard. Switzerland has the most multionational headquarters yet most Swissies speak bad English.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:03:31 2020 No.15218044 >>15217967 Translation is cultural literacy. Without it the words on the page are quite literally meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:03:59 2020 No.15218046 >>15214612 This. It's not hard exactly, it just takes forever.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:04:56 2020 No.15218051

>>15218010
But we'd adjust our economy to fit, I dont mind if we go slightly lower in GDP or something else that won't make a meaningful difference. There is also a certain condescension in this argument like implying Ireland wouldnt be first world or something without English lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:06:07 2020 No.15218057 >>15216312 玉尔阿色特与皮得尼哥儿

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:35:45 2020 No.15218225

>>15218051
>There is also a certain condescension in this argument like implying Ireland wouldnt be first world or something without English lol.
As an Irish person..... we wouldn't. The UK is too big and would steal all the investment. That's why we have to deregulate everything and not tax any international company to incentivize them to come here. Look at Amazon and Apple. They pay fuck all.

Let's be realistic - anything here in Ireland can be found bigger and better in the UK. We would get fucked if we started doing everything in Irish. No company has got time for that. Not that I am not nostalgic for Irish. But the economic hit would be massive.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:37:36 2020 No.15218240

>>15218026
Switzerland is perfect because they're neutral, rich as fuck, in a great location and incorporates the three major European languages. Ireland is on the periphery, a nation of 5 million people speaking Irish. Why exactly would anyone give a shit about Ireland if that was the case?

We need English. It's the brutal truth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:47:06 2020 No.15218304 >>15217809 See >>15211937

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:49:01 2020 No.15218319

>>15218225
Ok so France, Germany, Iceland, basically every country in our near radar that doesnt speak English does fine but we are the one country that would not be able to survive without English and would fall into poverty if we spoke our native language just like dozens of other Euro nations do? Stop falling for propaganda

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:54:22 2020 No.15218355

>>15218319
Come on. That's not what I said.

French and German are major European languages spoken beyond France and Germany. Too boot, they are also major economies that dictate European affairs. Foreigners WILL learn those languages. It's hilarious you mention Iceland - they have a population of 364,000! How is that comparable?

A systematic change to introduce Irish into Ireland is not only never gonna happen (American and British media is too strong) but if it did, it would come at an enormous economic cost. It's hard enough to attract investment when the UK is next door, it would be impossible if we started doing everything in Irish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:55:15 2020 No.15218361 >>15218319 how is Ireland remotely comparable to huge nations like France and Germany, or a tiny independent state with disproportionately large resources like Iceland?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 09:59:17 2020 No.15218384 Okay we'll agree to let Ireland go back to speaking Irish so long as we can return to speaking Old English over here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 10:04:41 2020 No.15218416 >>15218384 Deal.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 10:11:12 2020 No.15218459

>>15218384
"going back" would entail a massive investment in Middle Irish education, if not an abandonment of the alphabet altogether and wholescale adoption of the Ogham script. perhaps it was such a policy that the anon up the thread saw stymied by his party, the cretins

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 10:19:04 2020 No.15218514

>>15218355
>French and German are major European languages spoken beyond France and Germany.
Ok then take your pick of whatever language, Norwegian? Croatian? Finnish? Are these major world languages?

>It's hilarious you mention Iceland - they have a population of 364,000! How is that comparable?
You implied here that our small population would be a problem for the economy>>15218240 Finland, Croatia, Denmark, Slovakia all roughly have the same population as us, what wrong with them?

>A systematic change to introduce Irish into Ireland is not only never gonna happen (American and British media is too strong) but if it did, it would come at an enormous economic cost. It's hard enough to attract investment when the UK is next door, it would be impossible if we started doing everything in Irish.
Again what do you think would happen would we fall into poverty? No we would be fine just like other European nations that speak their native language, even if our economy gets hurt a litlle bit it wont be anything so drastic, the economy would adapt.

It's people like you who have the mentality of "it's not worth it" " it's too hard to implement" why we have not been successful at reinstating the language.
The Jews in Israel didnt get bogged down with this, they revived their native language against odds much greater than ours even though there were probably 1 or 2 of you guys who would tell them it was impractical and that they should just speak a major global language like English.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 10:21:05 2020 No.15218533 >>15218384 Deal.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 10:29:47 2020 No.15218602

>>15218459
Your comedic exaggeration aside, it would simply require a new generation of primary school and secondary school teachers. One that is allowed to teach only when it has proven its Irish standard is the same as its English standard. The degree to which primary school teachers barely pass their Irish exams and then go into teaching is absurd -- especially when you consider the dumbed down Irish they have to learn. It is comparable to turning a staircase into an escalator for ease of access, yet people still complaining about having to step on it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:04:50 2020 No.15218833

Irish is taught so badly in schools, I wonder if they'll ever fix that.

My irish is quite bad, but atleast my pronunciation is solid, so if I ever do get back into it, it's not too much hassle.

The grammar really is there in your head if you learn it from a young age also, the placement of the verbs, subject and object etc.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:07:47 2020 No.15218853
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>>15216860
Tá fáilte romhat arís. Go raibh maith agat do do obair lenár dteanga dhúchais. Rinne mé cúpla ciorcal comhráite agus preab-suas gaeltachtaí, ach ba mhaith liom a bheith cosúil leat sa todhchaí.

>"Gaeilge briste" is not better than "Béarla cliste"
Sin ceart agus brón. Úsáideann siad an frasa sin toisc go gciontacht orainn. Níl mé foirfe le mo theanga, ach taim ag iarracht. Is é mo brionglóid a bheith ina gcónaí sa Gaeltacht le Gaeilgeoirí eile.

>>15217817
Níl sé caillte fós! Abair é agus beidh sé beo. Cá bhfuil tusa i do chónaí? Thoir, thiar, nó lár na tíre?

>>15217685
Triggered go deo faoi Marx. Cad faoi Kant nó Hegel lmao. Tá ceist agam duit. Cén fáth go bfhuil níos mó cumannaithe ábalta gaeilge a labhairt na na dhaoine naisiúnta? Feicim cumannaithe ag gach ócáid teanga gaeilge. B'fheidir go bfhuil mar ta suim firinne acu sa theanga idir na daoine. Níl é ach comhlachas aeistéitiúil do na dhaoine naisiúnta (cosuil le Fianna Fail ó mo chomhrá níos luaithe).

>Gaynooth
Tá an ainm sin ó na sagairt Caitliceach. Tá fhios againn ar fad na scéalta faoi cad a dheanann na sagairt le chéile san oíche.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:13:40 2020 No.15218888 Is there anywhere on 4chan where Irish language threads are common? I'm enjoying reading this, even though it has been a long time since I've done any Irish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:15:10 2020 No.15218905 >>15217685 brainlet

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:15:51 2020 No.15218911 >>15218888 Uaireanta >>>/int/ Is larp é ar /pol/

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:40:09 2020 No.15219077

I really made an effort to learn Gaelic years ago but my problem was trying to do everything, learning the Irish dialects and Scottish, which I probably was best at after spending some time in the Outer Hebrides where almost everyone speaks it. Another problem is that most of the literature I was interested in is in Old or Middle Irish, which like Scottish Gaelic, is just close enough to totally screw you up. Trying to read the posts in Irish just reminds me how much I’ve forgotten, just picking out words and phrases here and there and seeing what I know are common verbs but can’t remember what they mean.
This is a great thread and what I’m reading from Irish anons reflects a lot of what I heard from people about how the government has mismanaged the “revival”.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:44:39 2020 No.15219109 File: 333 KB, 655x614, 1576968793738.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15211910 Ich lerne Deutsch, aber je mehr ich lerne, desto weniger verstehe ich! Diese sprache ist schwer!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 12:29:30 2020 No.15219483 >>15216873 They need strict monolingual Irish schooling. The Jews were able to bring back Hebrew in a generation, the Irish can too, but they lack the will.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 12:42:10 2020 No.15219614 Ye should have a look at the breakdown of the figures: https://www.cogg.ie/wp-content/uploads/Linguistic-Study-of-the-Use-of-Irish-in-the-Gaeltacht.pdf

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 12:58:53 2020 No.15219796

>>15215263
>have any of you autists divined the most expedient method for learning a language?
I wish I did. One method I find useful at the beginning stage is to get a quick vocab boost using a frequency list in conjunction with tatoeba; focusing on high frequency words clearly pays out. After that there's not much to do outside of reading and listening a ton, doing some translation/composition also of course. I think the real difficulty lies in finding the materials suited for a beginner and using a language as close as possible to the spoken one, but if the language is not too obscure multilingual subtitle files can work.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 13:27:39 2020 No.15220075

I've thought about learning Russian so that I can read Tolstoy in the original. After thinking over it though I concluded that learning a language for no practical purpose (I don't even know *any* Russians) was a waste of my precious time.

I have approximately 60 or so years left on Earth if all goes well (it will, barring a freak occurrence since I am a healthy individual) and learning Russian would take up a decent portion of that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 13:27:58 2020 No.15220080 >>15216346 Why I added Chinese and Hindoo (either Hindi or Bengali) to the list.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 13:30:45 2020 No.15220095 >>15215263 Steven Kaufmann method seems effective

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 14:00:00 2020 No.15220292 >>15219483 Wasn't it the Zionist's who brought Hebrew back since Yiddish derives from German?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 14:26:48 2020 No.15220491 >>15220075 It would take a year or so of 1-2 hours per day to get good at Russian. You don't have 1-2 hours spare every day? Unless you're Elon Musk, you're coping.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:19:33 2020 No.15220913 >>15220292 I believe the reasoning was more anti-semetic than anti-german. They wanted to build a new Israeli identify and move away from the city dwelling Jewish identify.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:20:40 2020 No.15220924 >>15212358 >Scottish That's not a language

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:23:25 2020 No.15220947 >>15220924 if it isn't then german is a dialect of korean.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:32:07 2020 No.15221013 I've been using Duolingo to improve my Danish recently. I don't really know what to read in Danish except H.C. Andersen and Donald Duck

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:41:44 2020 No.15221092 >>15213306 >four big romance languages You mean five

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:44:28 2020 No.15221105

>>15213428
>I would contend that if a student spends their whole life learning Irish but then can't have a simple conversation at the end of it - that education system is more than faulty, that system is deliberately built to neglect the education of the language.
That happense to every single topic in every single country in the western hemisphere.

Kids leave high school knowing only what they wanted to learn by themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:44:39 2020 No.15221107 >>15221092 It's a common term. Which extra language do you have in mind?

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:56:33 2020 No.15221186
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I would give Scots the benefit of the doubt as a language. It is a beautiful and vibrant tongue however it might be defined, and the dialect/language distinction is in the final analysis a subjective and political one.
My own second language is Chinese. I work as a translator and generally let that constitute my main language practice these days. When I have time I press forward with Latin, OE, and Irish due to an interest in insular art and manuscripts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:09:10 2020 No.15221290 >>15221186 a lot of scots uses poor spelling for the language. like those words great and pleasure which lead to poor sounding of the scots. and written scots is fairly different from speech, sort of like French where bits aren't said.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:12:14 2020 No.15221310 >>15217788 You underestimate what having to learn it in school does to your enthusiasm. Easy to post and fantasize about muh family and tradition, but would you feel the same if it was a government mandate?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:13:09 2020 No.15221317 >>15221186 if you are doing insular art I think latin would be more useful since the more famous ones are written in it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:13:41 2020 No.15221318 German. Es geht gut, aber ich fuhle mich an manchen tage zu faul zu lernen

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:14:10 2020 No.15221321 >>15221310 the problem is the schools main language for teaching is in English which is them essentially saying that irish isn't suitable for teaching in school.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:26:04 2020 No.15221441

>>15218355
>Foreigners WILL learn those languages.
French is partially useful in diplomacy, because many french speaking africans don't speak proper english, and it's very hard to understand them when they try.

German is completely useless.

There's only one mandatory language nowadays and that's English. I do love learning languages, but for the sake of it. Not because it will give me any practical advantage

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:28:49 2020 No.15221466 >>15221107 Romanian or Catalan

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:33:32 2020 No.15221523

>>15221317
that is true of course but i am particularly interested in the transmission of learning and culture, in terms of the content, and integrated creative techniques that spanned across both manuscript page design and poetic structure. for this kind of research poetry in OE, for example, like Andreas, Elene, Christ, is really impossible to avoid, as is Irish-language material like Lebor Gabala

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:37:45 2020 No.15221562

>>15221441
German is useful in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, as well as South Tyrol in Italy. Many neighbouring countries also learn German (Poland, Czech Republic etc....). It's definitely not useless.

>I do love learning languages, but for the sake of it. Not because it will give me any practical advantage

Can you expand on this? What have you learnt, how did you do it and what do you mean 'no practical advantage'?

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:43:23 2020 No.15221619

>>15221523
old irish will be hard to learn.
although normally you shouldn't learn one language to learn another I think you would have to in old irish's case due to them missing out many important inflections and that in writing.
like if in English
"I want many dog."
so you have to put the plural s in yourself.
lot of that in old irish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:45:07 2020 No.15221629 File: 110 KB, 658x916, 1588106662490.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >The percentage of respondents aged 3+ who said they spoke Irish daily outside the education system in the 2011 census in Ireland.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:50:54 2020 No.15221688

>>15221562
>German is useful in Germany, Austria and Switzerland, as well as South Tyrol in Italy. Many neighbouring countries also learn German (Poland, Czech Republic etc....). It's definitely not useless.
Well, no language is completely useless. I'll give you that.

>Can you expand on this? What have you learnt, how did you do it and what do you mean 'no practical advantage'?
Spanish is my mother tongue, and I learnt English, French, and Portuguese. I bought a couple of books in Italy a year ago and I can read them with the ocassional look at the dictionary every couple of pages.

What I meant is that I could have done just as well in my proffesional life by learning just English. "No practical advantage" was a bad choice of words. Portuguese definitely helped when chasing hue pussy.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:53:25 2020 No.15221714

>>15221619
that's essentially my game, I agree. supplement a naive encounter with the medieval text (+translation ofc, tho existing translations can be their own headache) with a basic & growing foundation in the modern language. or I like to think I do, anyway. Chinese generally doesn't mark for number either, as it happens.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 19:18:39 2020 No.15223044 >>15217954 You don’t have to replace English with Irish, just teach it like how schools used to teach Latin

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 19:33:03 2020 No.15223137 irish is a verbal language, dont bother

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 19:40:29 2020 No.15223185 >>15220491 >year or so of 1-2 hours per day to get good at Russian I don't think you've ever done anything like this.

Anonymous Wed Apr 29 00:00:49 2020 No.15224737

>>15213428
>, I would contend that if a student spends their whole life learning Irish but then can't have a simple conversation at the end of it - that education system is more than faulty, that system is deliberately built to neglect the education of the language
Frankly you cant rely on school to teach you a language passively. I was shite at Irish in school struggling at lower level, than in 5th year I got interested in it and started studying it in my free time, as a hobby. Then I got a H2 in higher level in my leaving and was one of the best speakers in the class.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 00:12:06 2020 No.15224810 >>15223137 what does that even mean? all languages are verbal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 00:57:17 2020 No.15225015 >>15211910 Latin and Koine Greek. I'm a double major in philosophy and theology at a catholic uni. If I get to grad school and don't know one or the other I'll get shamed by the one Jesuit who knows like 10 different languages.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 01:22:14 2020 No.15225115 >>15225015 But Latin and Greek are based anon nothing can take that away from you. Do you go to a Jesuit school now? I do, planning on majoring in philosophy and possibly literature, my two target languages are French and German

Anonymous Wed Apr 29 02:30:11 2020 No.15225386

>>15220491
Are you sure about those numbers? If I could be sold on that, then sure. But everything I’ve researched online leads me to a bunch of naysayers who espouse that learning Russian is harder than reinventing the wheel. I don’t need to read original Tolstoy that badly even though he is my favorite author.

Anonymous Wed Apr 29 03:07:30 2020 No.15225597

>>15225015
Are you planning on becoming a priest? Or going into public policy or something? I hate to be that guy that asks but I'm sincerely curious.
For the record, I am majoring in Philosophy as well, but I have some other majors on top of that. So I see where you're coming from at least.

Also to all the anons speaking Irish in this thread, keep it up please. One of the most interesting parts about my trip there several years ago was getting to hear people speak it (I went to the Aran islands and some other places). And to those who think they might lose tourism dollars because of that, I wouldn't worry about it. You'll get more interest from tourists like myself who are interested in languages and linguistics maybe. But really, your tourists are usually members or descendents of the Irish diaspora. So they'd be coming anyways. Besides, money is no object when it comes to preserving cultural heritage like that.

Slightly more on topic for the thread, I'm learning Japanese and was learning Russian a while ago but had to stop because I just got too busy. To the other Japanese learners, I recommend using あんき not just for vocab but also for 漢字。There's a deck that goes through all of the Kodansha course (KLLC) that I've found pretty helpful. It has both recall and production in it. I'd link but I'm near my setup right now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 03:17:59 2020 No.15225655 >>15225597 Japanese sounds really difficult. Why did you choose that?

Anonymous Wed Apr 29 03:47:26 2020 No.15225789

>>15225655
I'm part Japanese (25%) and have quite a bit of Japanese family members who don't speak the best English or any at all. My family never taught me when I was a kid which would've been nice but oh well. So now I'm making up for lost time in a way. I have really gotten to appreciate the language itself though, plus the various aspects of the culture too (stuff I didn't experience just growing up). I'm not talking about anime or manga, haven't interacted with any of that since high school. But once you get started like I did and start to see a deeper picture of the world it opens up it's very fascinating and gives you all the more reasons to continue.

Ultimately I would like to be able to talk to my family members fluently. Also to read books, which motivates me to study 漢字 which is where a lot of students lag behind. If you're interested you should definitely give it a go. It's very fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 03:48:34 2020 No.15225799 >>15225789 It's always good connecting with your heritage languages, that's for sure. Makes it extra special!

Anonymous Wed Apr 29 03:52:36 2020 No.15225815

>>15220491
Max Weber taught himself to read and write Russian in 2 months or something. All he had was a grammar book and real texts.

>>15225386
Russian is very hard to speak and read well, but then how many Russians do you see who speak good English? You can learn to read Russian pretty easily. I did the entire Penguin Russian Course in like 2-3 weeks and moved on to graded readers immediately and got pretty decent at reading easy prose. If I had done 1-2 hours a day for a year I would have been just fine reading it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 03:53:38 2020 No.15225818 >>15225815 Sorry, I meant to say that it's easy to speak and WRITE well. The whole point of what I was saying is that READING is actually not bad, with hard work.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 03:55:05 2020 No.15225823 >>15213185 I'm learning it at a local GAA club in the north. Plus there's good old Duolingo. An sabhalann se do bhean cheile nó an sabhalann tu í?

Anonymous Wed Apr 29 04:18:05 2020 No.15225915

>>15225386
>naysayers who espouse that learning Russian is harder than reinventing the wheel
I think these people are always around no matter what language you learn (although I agree that Russian is harder than French/German). I honestly don't know if they really struggle with learning stuff or just laze around, but I've never faced the same problems while learning English, Latin, French or multiple programming languages (my native language is Russian). Tolstoy himself could translate from 14 different languages (he was taught German, French and Tatar, and everything else he learnt by himself). And if you have Internet, you can easily get in touch with native speakers and their culture. Any big enough country has their own 4chan alternative and Russia even has its own social network (vk.com) which is straight up better than Facebook. Plus there's stuff like Duolingo which is basically a free of charge personal language tutor of mediocre quality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 08:26:15 2020 No.15227084 Bump. Tá sé fúm labhairt leis na hÉireannaigh anseo. Ag obair faoi láthair, áfach

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 09:14:56 2020 No.15227313 >>15221310 It worked for French in Quebec. If the government would not have step up French could have disappeared in Canada.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 09:21:06 2020 No.15227346 >>15225915 What other language did he speak ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 09:33:41 2020 No.15227441 >>15211910 I'm learning Russian, because the language has by far the best literature and poetry (besides English which I already know).

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 09:54:44 2020 No.15227583 >>15221013 You could read the works of Ibsen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 11:54:48 2020 No.15228428 >>15219109 Hallo, gemeinsame Schwuchtel! Ich lerne Deutsch auch. Wie viele studierst du Deutsch? Ich finde, dass die Sprache schwer ist. Aber die Sprache ist lustig.

Anonymous Wed Apr 29 14:47:07 2020 No.15229815

>>15225815
>>15225818

Yes, I understood what you meant in the original post. Thanks, anon. I didn't think of it that way previously.

>>15225915
Interdasting. Thanks for the positive encouragement, anons. One counterpoint to Tolstoy being able to teach himself languages is he had some serious time on his hands that none of us likely have (consider he had no commute, no day job, a million family members and friends to help around the estate, etc.), however I agree the internet more than offsets that advantage.

>>15227346
He spoke, to my knowledge, Latin, Greek, Hebrew (?), French, English, Russian (obv), and perhaps more less spoken languages. I'm trying to remember if he ended up learning any Asian languages in his life but I don't believe he did, even though he became interested in reading about different religions during his middle-aged years.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 14:58:56 2020 No.15229895 >>15227346 He freely spoke English, German, French, Tatar, Turkish. To a lesser extent Greek, Latin, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Church Slavonic, Ancient Hebrew and Dutch. Translated from Czech, Serbian, Polish and Italian.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 15:21:07 2020 No.15230049 >>15215633 Nope, Irish is a dead language for a reason

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 15:25:20 2020 No.15230073 >>15216899 >Hiberno-English the only people that speak the hiberno english dialect are the north

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 29 16:23:43 2020 No.15230529 >>15216312 imagine thinking posting the only jap-related image i had on hand means i "struggle" with kanji you simplified faggots can't even read your own language properly. kys you coof monger.

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