Thoughts on this book?

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Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:03:49 2020 No.15208701 [Reply] [Original]

Thoughts on this book?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:05:07 2020 No.15208709 >bro just poo in the loo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:21:59 2020 No.15209970 I've read it 4 times, Ted was truly a god among men. The fact that midwits and normies have not read his work disappoints me

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:30:22 2020 No.15210024 >>15209970 >was Did they get to him?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:41:51 2020 No.15210581 Not enough on how

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:45:26 2020 No.15210617 >>15208701 essential reading.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:51:07 2020 No.15210673 File: 2.94 MB, 1920x1080, FFX_HD_Al_Bhed.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15208701 I'm not familiar. Is it like the Yevon in FF10 that forbids everyone else from using machines?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:52:24 2020 No.15210685 >>15210673 I mean how else would you enforce it unless you brainwashed everyone into believing that it was a sin?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:55:25 2020 No.15210709

>>15208701
It's good and thorough and clears up a lot of his ideas and beliefs that weren't fully explored in Technological Slavery (the distinction between small and large scale tech, for one), but it won't truly be great until someone actually uses it to revolt, or carry out a revolution. Praxis should be the actualization of theory; atm this has a lot of potential, but we'll see as time goes on.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:59:36 2020 No.15210742

doesn't offer realistic paths to the world he wants, because it is impossible. there will always be a huge incentive to exploit the natural world and whoever weilds this will win. our destiny is rising and falling civilizations until a catastrophic event erases humans

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:53:46 2020 No.15211147

>>15208701
Here's a thought on the man:
He's a maladjusted loser who couldn't stand the sight of people with different preferences than him. He was unhappy in society, projected that unhappiness onto everyone else, and steadfastly refused any attempt to become happy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:56:02 2020 No.15211162 >>15208709 fpbp fuck kazinskifags, bunch of spiritual africans, they should all go back and live in the anti-tech paradise of cameroon or ghana

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:57:56 2020 No.15211179 >>15211147 You know that your ad-hominem and armchair psychology aren't actually a critique or refutation to anything he wrote, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 13:58:35 2020 No.15211181 >>15211179 You know what you wrote has nothing to do with what I just said?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:04:20 2020 No.15211228 >>15211181 No, it does, because this thread is about a piece of writing and all you're trying to do is discredit the author

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:05:49 2020 No.15211239 >>15211179 >>15211228 well he was a tranny so he discredits himself, fuck you lmao move to india so you can poo in the streets in peace

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:06:19 2020 No.15211244 >>15208701 Teaches you how to subvert politics and overthrow the (((industrial system))), should be a mandatory read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:07:21 2020 No.15211253 >>15208701 I don't read LGBT literature, sorry love

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:07:30 2020 No.15211254 File: 352 KB, 1707x2560, natural.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15208701 It's shit, read this

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:08:58 2020 No.15211267 >>15211228 The notion that technology is making everyone miserable is central to Teddy's ideology, no?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:09:38 2020 No.15211272 >>15211244 and yet all you do is watch porn and shitpost on 4chan and discord all day, so obviously it didn't teach you shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:12:03 2020 No.15211299 >>15211272 >implying I'm not playing 4D chess and waiting for the right time to push the dominoes. Patience, don't strike too soon.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:15:21 2020 No.15211330

>>15211239
Great contribution to the conversation, you really show your sub-50 IQ in this post
>>15211267
There are different levels of technology which do varying degrees of harm or good for society, he's not saying every type of technology as a whole is the problem

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:19:16 2020 No.15211363

>>15211267
Yes it is important but Ted never bases that assertion on his personal preferences but rather historical trends and their psychological implications, especially related to the power process. It’s fine to challenge these in good faith, but claiming his conclusions are wrong simply because he was a "maladjusted loser" is textbook ad-hom.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:19:52 2020 No.15211368

>>15211299
so that's his advice, to wait? amazing stuff there
>>15211330
ted k was a tranny, he confessed it to his therapist soon before he went overboard, ur idol was a mentally ill tranny, just accept it lmao

>"A significant mental shift took place in graduate school, Kaczynski reported, during a period when he considered having a sex-change operation. He said he recalled setting up an appointment at the University of Michigan's health center after weeks of fantasizing about becoming a female"

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:21:12 2020 No.15211380

>>15208701
Recent tourists to this board are too obsessed with it. It is merely somewhat consistent and readable, it has a fairly shoddy argument that is followable, that puts it over the very low bar set by these terrorist/murderer manifestos, it is the best written example I know of in that most narrow niche. You're still reading and getting a hard on over shit.

So my thought is for you to read more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:21:48 2020 No.15211384 >>15209970 >I've read it 4 times, too stupid to get the point the first time? lmao the absolute state of street shitters hahahah

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:22:01 2020 No.15211388

>>15211363
What evidence does he present that people are any less happy than before muh evil industrial revolution. I've read the Unabomber manifesto and he mostly just asserts over and over again that modern life "unfulfilling" modern people are "angry" et, cetera with no particular historical evidence presented.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:24:14 2020 No.15211405

>>15211368
How about you read Industrial Society and its Future so you gain some familiarity with ideas you’re trying to critique. In Technological Slavery Ted explains that wrote it as a simplified introduction to his ideas for people who can’t make it through a dense, rigorous text. If you read extremely slowly and carefully, and make sure to look up the definitions of any words you don’t understand, you might actually get something out of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:25:59 2020 No.15211423 >>15211405 i read it shithead, it's retarded, if you wanna live in an anti-tech shithole i would recommend moving to africa and leaving civilized, non-mentally ill people alone

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:26:03 2020 No.15211424 >>15211239 >well he was tranny >I don't read LGBT literature, sorry love Is it true? Is Kaczynski a fag?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:28:10 2020 No.15211443 Another hilarious thing was that a guy who lived alone in a cabin extolled the virtues of how "primitive man" lived, when primitive humans always lived in societies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:28:22 2020 No.15211446 >>15211254 >Levinovitz = Jew I don't think so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:30:06 2020 No.15211459 >>15208709 NOOOOOO NOT THE HECKLIN TOILETERINOS NOOOOOO

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:30:58 2020 No.15211469 >>15211443 ted k also went to the local grocery constantly and made ppl drive him there lmao what a bum, couldn't even hang and follow his own ideals, was desperate for easy carbs at the grocery store haha

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:32:08 2020 No.15211478 >>15211459 >MUH WORD ENDING IN -INOOOOOOOO >argument get a grip faggot streetshitter, move to an indian slum if u don't like tech

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:32:30 2020 No.15211480 The Unabomber manifesto can be summarized in a single sentence: "STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE"

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:34:08 2020 No.15211497 >>15210742 Most easy to reach ressources needed for a high tech society have been used up (coal, oil, rare earth etc). Once we fall we will never achieve the current state of technology.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:37:26 2020 No.15211524

>>15211424
>"A significant mental shift took place in graduate school, Kaczynski reported, during a period when he considered having a sex-change operation. He said he recalled setting up an appointment at the University of Michigan's health center after weeks of fantasizing about becoming a female"
imagine taking anything seriously from someone who spent weeks agonizing about cutting off their penis and having it inverted into a phony vagina and getting put on HRT lmaoooo kazinskifags are the worst ppl on /lit/

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:40:16 2020 No.15211545

>tfw I was almost reading his works but then I found out he's a tranny
I don't mind reading/appreciating art by fags, but TRANNIES???
No, my man. Trannies are too far gone, nothing good ever came out of that. Plus, why didn't he just stayed there quiet in the country far from men? Was it "compassion" for humanity which moved him?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:41:11 2020 No.15211552 >>15211524 >hates tech >wanted to use tech to self-castrate and fuck his physiognomy into pseudo-womanhood with hormones what was his endgame?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:41:55 2020 No.15211558

He is right about everything and no author in history makes cattle seethe more than he does.

None of the detractors ITT have read him. Reminder than all technologists agree with TK, but like Kurzweil said, he would rather take the one in a billion chance of his bugman fantasy coming into fruition than take his responsability and destroy industrial society before it inevitably annihilates us. Therefore there is not a single counter-argument to be made - it is simply a matter of acknowleding your own domestication and your reliance on the system to survive.

>>15211524
There is not a single proof or direct source for these claims. You are parroting TK's official psychiatric report done after his arrest. I fail to see how it is in any way credible. Other than your womanly behavior and juvenile psychologizing, you have not addressed his works. Just own up to being domesticated, it is the only agency you have left after all.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:41:59 2020 No.15211560

>>15211368
>>15211524
Imagine being this much of a baby over him becoming indoctrinated by leftist academia but realizing the retardation of it and then turning against it
Also that still has nothing to do with his arguments and your inability to detach from this factoid is more revealing of the fact that you both have nothing to say against his arguments either

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:43:40 2020 No.15211569 >>15211558 >>15211560 cope harder trannylovers

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:45:02 2020 No.15211580 >>15211569 Cope harder niggercattle

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:45:53 2020 No.15211588 >>15211560 >Imagine being this much of a baby over him becoming indoctrinated by leftist academia most of us are subject to this indoctrination, less than 1% become trannies over it lmaoooo ted k was a mentally ill retard

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:46:51 2020 No.15211604

>>15211545
He is not a tranny.
>Plus, why didn't he just stayed there quiet in the country far from men?
He did, until they starting deforestating Montana. He has a highly rational analysis of the system's expansion which I invite you to read.
>Was it "compassion" for humanity which moved him?
No. In Kaczynski's term: I don't like the system, the system does not let me live like I want to, therefore the only option left is to destroy it.

Imagine being so domesticated, so alienated that defending your own immediate interest is something foreign to you. Think about this deeply, because that's the core of TK's philosophy. Two thousands years of alienating theory has completely robbed domesticated man of his own agency - imagine being an ideologue LOL. You serve an ideology, not the other way around. You SERVE some THEORETICAL CONCEPTS. You invest time and energy into something that does not exist. Ideology is pathetic.TK is the first man to go beyond ideology and formulate a revolutionary critique of our world, while the whole of academia is still stuck theorizing upon their cattle status and most importantly, trying to legitimize their weaknesses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:48:28 2020 No.15211616 >>15211604 >I don't like the system, the system does not let me live like I want to, That was a lie on his part

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:48:41 2020 No.15211619 >>15211588 He didn't become a tranny nor did he write anything approving of trannies

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:49:45 2020 No.15211626

>>15211569
Cope for what? I am not coping since I am invested in the anti-tech movement. You on the other hand, have built your entire life around coping. This is where we realize that none of the retards posting have opened a book in their lives. TK is a compendium of Freud, Marx and Nietzsche, the three intellectuals who defined modernity. Because that's exactly what Freud was getting at, that socialization leads to neurosis. Ever heard of civilization and its discontents? Probably not. If you are in any way invested in socialization you are domesticated, neurotic, to varying degrees of course. You are the epitome of cope. You have been robbed of your freedom, dignity and agency, and you're coping on a literature board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:49:47 2020 No.15211627 >>15211604 Ted was perfectly free to keep larping as muh primitive man, but he couldn't tolerate sharing the earth with people who didn't share his eccentric lifestyle.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:52:04 2020 No.15211638

>>15211388
You either didn't read isaif or you only skimmed it. Check the chapter where he refutes traditional anarcho-primitivism for specific anthropological examples of primitive societies and the way they functioned.
>he mostly just asserts over and over again
No, he pretty much reprises Nietzsche's argument for the will to power but more practically and from the sole perspective of a human. I don't know if he read Nietzsche but isaif is a series of arguments and you absolutely filter yourself when you only attack its conclusions like all the other bugmen who don't actually books on here do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:54:20 2020 No.15211660 >>15211619 yeah he just spent weeks contemplating a sex change, i'm sure he wasn't a tranny >>15211626 if ur post is a tl;dr ur coping lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:55:10 2020 No.15211669 >>15211660 >yeah he just spent weeks contemplating a sex change, i'm sure he wasn't a tranny source?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:55:27 2020 No.15211675 >>15211638 >he refutes traditional anarcho-primitivism for specific anthropological examples of primitive societies and the way they functioned. So what is he in favor

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:58:23 2020 No.15211701

>>15211675
Read his books.

>So what is he in favor
Unlike the larping hordes of academic brainlets, he realizes that we cannot possibly predict the future nor the outcome of a revolution. He just wants out of industrial society. That's it. He would like to go back to hunter-gathering ways but he recognizes that it is impossible, we cannot undo the agricultural revolution, therefore we must focus our efforts into achieving concrete and possible goals.

TK is praxis done right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 14:59:47 2020 No.15211712 >>15211669 https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-09-12-9809120119-story.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:00:55 2020 No.15211723 >>15211675 he's in favor of the freedom afforded to the hindu man allowing him to poo in the streets

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:01:57 2020 No.15211737 >>15211701 >TK is praxis done right. >murders people and ends up in jail for life yeah, buddy....

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:04:06 2020 No.15211758 >>15211737 And yet most people have heard of him. There a few more reliable ways for someone outside of academia and publishing to get people to read their shit than murder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:05:35 2020 No.15211771 >>15211758 >And yet most people have heard of him. Better to be a Kardashian and not write a manifesto.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:06:11 2020 No.15211784

>>15211758
>And yet most people have heard of him
not really just americans really, maybe canadians, and of those practically none of them take him seriously apart from a few basement dwelling losers and social outcasts that no one cares about and who will never have any influence on our society

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:07:12 2020 No.15211793 >>15211619 >He didn't become a tranny nor did he write anything approving of trannies Good, then I think I might read him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:07:12 2020 No.15211794 >>15211712 >A federal judge Friday unsealed a psychiatric profile of convicted Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski that contains details of a personal struggle with his gender identity. I asked for a source.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:07:30 2020 No.15211802

>>15211701
>He just wants out of industrial society
He could've moved to some part of Alaska where there's no oil and been happy-unless of course he was just chronically unhappy for reasons that had nothing to do with society and had to do with his messed up brain chemistry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:11:54 2020 No.15211839 >>15210024 Ted is one of those people that always seems to have already died. Kissinger and Gorbachev seems like that to me too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:13:08 2020 No.15211848 >>15211794 cope, it's literally the purest source possible, ted k himself, he admitted to being a tranny

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:14:04 2020 No.15211857 >>15211626 >I am not coping since I am invested in the anti-tech movement How? (genuine question)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:17:26 2020 No.15211881 >>15211857 he posts about it on 4ch*n . com

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:17:37 2020 No.15211882 >the descendants of everyone in this thread will literally be a genetically modified slave-race that serves technology lmao why doesn't cave man larper like toilet??

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:18:55 2020 No.15211891

>>15211848
>ted k himself, he admitted to being a tranny
Source? How is a psychiatric report the purest source possible? Shouldn't TK's own admission be a purer source? How am I supposed to trust a report of a psychiatric report of a report (lol) of someone's word who happened to be caught after the most expensive manhunt in history? Is psychiatry even credible? How come the DSM changes every decade then?

Again, how is a psychiatric report the 'purest source possible'. Why didn't they made TK's psychiatric transcripts public? Why didn't they make his diary public?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:24:46 2020 No.15211934 >>15211891 the report was gathered from interviews with him, his lawyers didn't even want to public to see it lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:25:47 2020 No.15211942 >>15211882 >strawman >cope get help faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:33:19 2020 No.15212008 >>15211934 >the report was gathered from interviews with him Source of these interviews? >his lawyers didn't even want to public to see it lmao Source?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:34:52 2020 No.15212021 >>15212008 literally fucking read it, both of ur questions are answered within the first two paragraphs

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:39:28 2020 No.15212057 >>15211942 There are multiple posts mentioning toilets in this thread.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:42:23 2020 No.15212083

Funny how everyone is sperging about Ted himself and how his ideas are a product of him being socially maladjusted or whatever when in reality all of his ideas can be found in the works of people such as Ellul. Pointing to Ted’s situation or mental state refutes nothing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:44:22 2020 No.15212097 >>15208701 >anti-tech revolution Judging by the title, it´s going to be retarded.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:52:26 2020 No.15212137

Your descendants (if you have any) will be slaves and the situation is far worse than your coping mind can comprehend.
>but the guy warning us is a tranny!
>it's a cope cause he didn't fit into society!
>he should have moved to ghana if he believed that!
>how could that be true if he used the toilet and ate cereal!
>he just doesn't like technology, but i do so it's good!
>that couldn't happen, because if it did, it would be really bad!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:59:42 2020 No.15212199 >>15212137 cope

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 15:59:58 2020 No.15212202

>>15212021
I have read it, in fact I have read everything regarding these claims 5 years ago. There is nothing else to read on this slander other than the psychiatric report. Nothing. Not one mention of it anywhere else. A psychiatric report. Pull yourself together. Not a single argument or word regarding his works, but 8 posts trying to prove that TK was a tranny based on a psychiatric report. 8. Who is coping exactly? Do I post in threads I don't agree with? Do I click on Dostoyevski threads and spend half an hour sperging out? Lmao, no, I'm sane.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:00:08 2020 No.15212204 >>15212137 >idolize primitive society >think slavery is bad

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:01:10 2020 No.15212218 >>15212137 >no dude you're like totally a slave, how can you not realize ittttt

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:02:12 2020 No.15212227 >>15212137 The fact that most people like technology proves him wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:02:24 2020 No.15212228 >>15212204 >>15212204 >inb4 a phenotypic revolution literally makes your children into a reproductive organ for computers

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:03:18 2020 No.15212237 >>15212204 >>idolize primitive society I require a source for this. TK has never idolized primitive society lol, in fact he does the opposite. Once again, read a book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:07:08 2020 No.15212261 >>15212227 What? Oh my god how fucking dumb are you? I like technology yet TK is right about everything. fuck, honestly. how are zoomers this fucking DUMB? baffling

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:08:12 2020 No.15212268 >>15212261 what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:08:44 2020 No.15212272 >>15212227 Do explain, brother.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:10:46 2020 No.15212291

>>15212272
"The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries."
This is the opening paragraph of the Unabomber Manifesto, and it's all assertion without any evidence. Most people will tell you that technology on net balance makes their lives richer, more fulfilling, happier in almost every way way imaginable. Ted however insists that no no because I was miserable in modern society that proves that everyone else must be as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:12:36 2020 No.15212299 File: 595 KB, 865x600, 1582084572477.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15211147 >He's a maladjusted loser

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:14:45 2020 No.15212315 >>15212202 okay tranny

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:16:48 2020 No.15212329

>>15212299
"And yet, from an early age, Kaczynski was aware of something different, something inexplicable and out of place about his big brother. Ted was hyper-smart – everybody knew that. He was a mathematics whizz-kid and destined for Harvard and great things. But he was also a withdrawn, awkward boy who recoiled from social contact.

"When we were young, friends and family would turn up at our house unannounced. My feeling was 'Oh good! Here's Uncle Stanley or our friend Ralph' – but Ted's reaction was the opposite. He saw it as an incursion into his world, and almost in panic would run upstairs to the attic. I remember thinking, why did he have this aversion to people?""
theguardian.com/books/2016/feb/07/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-brother-david-kaczynski-every-last-tie-book

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:17:34 2020 No.15212333 >>15212291 Read more books until you learn what an incipit is

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:18:15 2020 No.15212336

>>15212291
Hahahaahahaha, you've opened up the manifesto yet you couldn't make it 5 pages further where he explicitly says that some people adjust to modern society?

> Ted however insists that no
no hahahahaha, you couldn't read for more than a minute hahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahhahaa, i fucking love technology guys!! it makes our lives richer, more fulfilling, but also richer and more fulfiling? wait where was I? technoogy has fried my attention span

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:18:52 2020 No.15212342 >>15212329 >He saw it as an incursion into his world, and almost in panic would run upstairs to the attic. I remember thinking, why did he have this aversion to people?"" tiny dick energy

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:20:18 2020 No.15212350 >>15212336 >>15212333 cope

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:20:21 2020 No.15212351 >hurdur technology bad >hurdur Teddy an autist Irrelevant normatives. The real question is if human ideals are capable of defeating the technological system at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:20:38 2020 No.15212352 >>15212329 Hahahahahahaha not a single argument, just OBSESSIVELY quoting anyone but Kaczynski himself. Just leave this thread man, if the anti-tech revolution is doomed to fail why are you even bothering? Take a walk in the woods or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:21:22 2020 No.15212356 >>15212333 >>15212336 seething

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:21:59 2020 No.15212359 >>15212352 hahahahahhaa not a single argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:22:54 2020 No.15212364 >98 replies >28 posters It's almost like there's an autistically dedicated retard who attempts to shit up these threads like clockwork. He may even start them himself

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:23:00 2020 No.15212366 >>15212352 I did quote kaczynski

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:24:59 2020 No.15212379 >>15212291 >This is the opening paragraph of the Unabomber Manifesto >and it's all assertion without any evidence Name one book that you've read in the past 5 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:27:37 2020 No.15212398 >>15212379 https://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Propaganda-Arab-World-Preface/dp/0300168055 It's good stuff

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:28:18 2020 No.15212400 >>15212291 Sir, I believe you have revealed your ignorance to all of us. There is still time to explain what your real gripe with Ted is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:28:39 2020 No.15212403 >>15212366 "There is good reason to believe that primitive man suffered from less stress and frustration and was better satisfied with his way of life than modern man" NO EVIDENCE PRESENTED

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:30:00 2020 No.15212413 >>15212400 Sir, I believe you have revealed your ignorance to all of us. There is still time to explain what your real gripe with technology is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:30:04 2020 No.15212415 >>15212359 Yes, not a single argument. Just ad hominem. If Ted only wrote ISAIF because of his maladjustments the ideas contained therein still hold weight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:31:01 2020 No.15212426 >>15212415 He presents no evidence for any of his central assertions. It reads like a grad school essay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:31:06 2020 No.15212427 >>15212413 Okay, let me explain. Have you ever read the ones who walk away from Omelas?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:32:07 2020 No.15212437

>>15212413
A walking man formerly could go where he pleased, go at his own pace without observing any traffic regulations, and was independent of technological support-systems. When motor vehicles were introduced they appeared to increase man’s freedom. They took no freedom away from the walking man, no one had to have an automobile if he didn’t want one, and anyone who did choose to buy an automobile could travel much faster and farther than a walking man. But the introduction of motorized transport soon changed society in such a way as to restrict greatly man’s freedom of locomotion. When automobiles became numerous, it became necessary to regulate their use extensively. In a car, especially in densely populated areas, one cannot just go where one likes at one’s own pace; one’s movement is governed by the flow of traffic and by various traffic laws. One is tied down by various obligations: license requirements, driver test, renewing registration, insurance, maintenance required for safety, monthly payments on purchase price. Moreover, the use of motorized transport is no longer optional. Since the introduction of motorized transport the arrangement of our cities has changed in such a way that the majority of people no longer live within walking distance of their place of employment, shopping areas and recreational opportunities, so that they HAVE TO depend on the automobile for transportation. Or else they must use public transportation, in which case they have even less control over their own movement than when driving a car. Even the walker’s freedom is now greatly restricted. In the city he continually has to stop to wait for traffic lights that are designed mainly to serve auto traffic. In the country, motor traffic makes it dangerous and unpleasant to walk along the highway. (Note this important point that we have just illustrated with the case of motorized transport: When a new item of technology is introduced as an option that an individual can accept or not as he chooses, it does not necessarily REMAIN optional. In many cases the new technology changes society in such a way that people eventually find themselves FORCED to use it.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:34:33 2020 No.15212451 File: 85 KB, 837x960, 1566069660086.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15212426 This is how I feel about what you said

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:35:42 2020 No.15212461 >>15212364 any thread is shit up as soon as ted k is mentioned, that's guaranteed pseud-tier garbage but for antisocial spergs

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:37:35 2020 No.15212478

>>15212461
Maybe it isn't for antisocial people? How can you make such a claim?

His ideas are powerful and at least lead to some things that need to be wrestled with. The manifesto is just a manifesto, meant to be simple, meant to get the ball rolling. He has several books that go more in-depth, if you want more citations and such.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:39:00 2020 No.15212486

>>15212437
If you invite people over at nighttime and don't have light bulbs you're a dick. Nobody wants to hang out in the dark, but the ubiquity of lightbulbs makes it that if one doesn’t adhere to modern standards they’re a total weirdo. Artificial lighting has also made it such that one can keep being a person all night! Our sleep patterns are highly unnatural and have been ruined because we stay up much later than the sun and seasons tell us to. We can think of nearly all technology like these lightbulbs; those who don’t adhere are left in the dark.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:40:34 2020 No.15212505

>>15212437
Here's my honest answer: he has a point about cars, and if he had written it 30 years later, he'd have a point about smart phones.
That doesn't mean we'd be happier if we spent all day hunting for food instead of engaging in what he calls "Surrogate activities", which is just a nasty way of saying "Having fun". I like listening to Mozart for free on the internet. Ted Kaczynski wants to kill me for that. I think he should be stopped from doing so. Why am I wrong?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:41:55 2020 No.15212517 >>15212427 I looked it up. And my reaction is that our society in no way necessitated Ted's suffering. Lots of people live off the land and don't feel the need to murder people who live differently from them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:48:25 2020 No.15212576 "More importantly, in our society people do not satisfy their biological needs AUTONOMOUSLY but by functioning as parts of an immense social machine." Does Ted not realize that was also true of primitive society?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:54:16 2020 No.15212615

>>15212517
Ted's stupid ideas about killing people do not discredit his good ideas.

But to give you some perspective, I believe Ted is a person who saw that our society is like Omelas (only much worse), and instead of walking away, he believed that Omelas should be destroyed.

The way he went about it and the people he chose to kill reeks of anger and revenge, but ultimately he turned it into something decent by writing that manifesto.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:55:54 2020 No.15212627

>>15212505
You're wrong because your existence is entirely predicated on things that necessarily make millions of humans and animals suffer. You are wrong because your existence is entirely unsustainable. You are wrong because what you love is inextricably linked to what you hate. You are confused beyond belief.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:56:50 2020 No.15212636 >>15212478 lol

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:58:16 2020 No.15212649

>>15212627
>You're wrong because your existence is entirely predicated on things that necessarily make millions of humans and animals suffer
Wrong
You are wrong because your existence is entirely unsustainable.
So is your's
You are wrong because what you love is inextricably linked to what you hate. You are confused beyond belief.
No

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 16:59:18 2020 No.15212661 >>15212615 >I believe Ted is a person who saw that our society is like Omelas (only much worse) and he's completely wrong. Ted was an anti-social autist. He would have been miserable in any society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:00:40 2020 No.15212676 >>15212615 Our society=omelas is a very different argument from Ted made. He believed most people were as miserable as him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:03:01 2020 No.15212697 >>15212615 Moreover, the society he wanted to create would have been closer to an omelas in reverse

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:04:31 2020 No.15212708 >>15211254 >Written by a (((tribesmember))) >Uses the word "unjust" unironically >Arguing against natural laws in favor of some bland flavor of faggot metropolitan humanism Wanna know how I know this book is trash?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:04:35 2020 No.15212709

>>15212649
You're wrong because your existence is entirely predicated on things that necessarily make millions of humans and animals suffer
>wrong
Do you eat meat? Do you depend upon people working in factories? Do you depend on people working jobs they hate? The answer is yes. These people are suffering on your behalf, and chances are you are going to suffer immensely for them too. Sounds like a pretty shitty deal to me.

You are wrong because your existence is entirely unsustainable.
>So is your's
Yes, and I am doing everything to change that. I will soon be living on a farm, hopefully, to never return again.

You are wrong because what you love is inextricably linked to what you hate. You are confused beyond belief.
>no
Tell me some of the things you love. Do you love eating? Do you love your family?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:04:46 2020 No.15212711 >>15212576 He´s an American, their idea of "primitive" is 17th century pioneer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:05:10 2020 No.15212717 >>15210685 of there own free will?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:05:46 2020 No.15212723 >>15212676 Many people ARE miserable! There are perhaps a billion people on this earth who are getting completely shit on. Would you hate to work in a slaughterhouse?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:06:37 2020 No.15212731

When you have autism and want to be a woman but can't get laid so you're schizophrenic pattern recognition detects a big threat called reality that needs to be defeated so you can get the sex so you move to the woods and make bombs out of tigs and toothpicks and get your blogpost printed in the newspaper and two decades later you marry your pen pal who you will never physically touch

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:06:48 2020 No.15212734 >>15212676 Society=Omelas is only one part of Ted's argument, but it is an important one.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:10:22 2020 No.15212756

>>15212709
>Do you eat meat?
Animal suffering is complicated.
Do you depend upon people working in factories?
Yep
Do you depend on people working jobs they hate? The answer is yes.
It's actually no. I don't force anyone to work a job they hate. If they choose to be there i can't stop them.
These people are suffering on your behalf, and chances are you are going to suffer immensely for them too. Sounds like a pretty shitty deal to me.
Sounds unlikely. I basically like my job.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:11:32 2020 No.15212762 >>15212709 >Yes, and I am doing everything to change that. I will soon be living on a farm, hopefully, to never return again. You're still gonna die one day anon. Hate to tell you if you don't know

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:12:32 2020 No.15212775 >>15212709 >Tell me some of the things you love. Do you love eating? Do you love your family? Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:13:49 2020 No.15212786 >>15212723 Sure many people are miserable. Many people are extremely happy. Most people are somewhere in between. The only honest answer is I have no idea if I would hate that or not

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:14:20 2020 No.15212790 >>15212676 >He believed most people were as miserable as him. Wrong. Maybe read the 30 page manifesto before posting? Just a thought

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:14:49 2020 No.15212794 >>15212734 A primitive society would necessitate even more suffering, with far less ability to escape.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:17:01 2020 No.15212808 >>15212790 "One indication of this is the fact that, in many or most cases, people who are deeply involved in surrogate activities are never satisfied, never at rest."

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:19:53 2020 No.15212827

>>15212794
How does it "necessitate" more suffering? Do you understand the word "necessitate"? I doubt. But it's of no relevance, as TK is not concerned with "suffering", only freedom and dignity, and as you put it "ability to escape". How did primitives have far less ability to escape? Did they have to pay property taxes? No? Then their ability to escape is far greater.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:21:24 2020 No.15212839
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>>15209970
>I've read it 4 times, Ted was truly a god among men. The fact that midwits and normies have not read his work disappoints me

techpill me on it, I honestly wasnt impressed by his Industraial society and its future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:22:08 2020 No.15212853 >>15212827 >How did primitives have far less ability to escape? If Ted had achieved his goals and I was deeply unsatisfied spending all day hunting, what option would I have?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:22:13 2020 No.15212854

>>15212808
You want to play the out of context quote? There's an entire chapter called "HOW SOME PEOPLE ADJUST" lol

77. Not everyone in industrial-technological society suffers from psychological problems. Some people even profess to be quite satisfied with society as it is. We now dis-cuss some of the reasons why people differ so greatly intheir response to modern society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:23:55 2020 No.15212879 >>15212827 >only freedom and dignity, Ted wanted to impose his lifestyle choices on other people. That sounds like the Opposite of freedom to me

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:24:00 2020 No.15212881 >>15212839 Read anti-tech, the manifesto pales in comparison. If you're looking to be "impressed" you might want to book a ticket to the nearest circus show though, because the anti-tech movement is not preoccupied with entertaining bugmen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:24:21 2020 No.15212884 File: 152 KB, 1200x1630, unabomber1558278875589.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] he was based against professional academia leftists. those human mices (Feyerabend).

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:24:56 2020 No.15212886 >>15212854 Do you know what some means?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:25:16 2020 No.15212889 >>15212881 >the anti-tech movement is not preoccupied with entertaining bugmen Absolutely based

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:27:05 2020 No.15212905

>>15212879
>Ted wanted to impose his lifestyle choices on other people.
And? Isn't this what the system is doing? But with a billion times more logistical capabilities than a lone hermit? Reminder than TK moved off the grid and had no intention of any terrorist activity, untiil they started deforestating the nicest valley in Montana.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:27:39 2020 No.15212909 Let's stop pretending that Kaczynski is some revered intellectual or that he has anything worth saying lmao

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:29:11 2020 No.15212927
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>>15212881
>If you're looking to be "impressed" you might want to book a ticket to the nearest circus show though, because the anti-tech movement is not preoccupied with entertaining bugmen.

Industrial society simply makes a lot of wrong and oversimplified conclussions - I do support his effort, technology is making us poor and enslaved, but a similar phenomenon was visible even before Industrial revolution (e.g. horses were technology for the rich). Im dissapointed why hasnt he made a distinction between good and bad technology - one that is trully creative and other that is faux creative, consumerism wrapped into techy envelope for bugman to consoooooome.

Do you have a pdf of anti-tech to share?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:31:05 2020 No.15212944

>>15212909
I guarantee you I have read more than you ever will in your life kek. You're a 20 something larping as an intellectual because you picked your first dostoievsky book a year ago. Lol. I had read the classics before I turned 10. I have read all the major philosophers as well and I have no problems admitting that TK is right about everything. Why? Because I'm not some neurotic prole with confidence issues whose parents never read him any book, nor taught him how to pick up girls, so he conflates the two and ends up wasting his prime years reading books and posting about them on 4chinz.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:33:19 2020 No.15212960 >>15211254 >Levinovitz Thanks but I'll pass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:34:18 2020 No.15212970 File: 346 KB, 800x600, Ted_vs._the_Leftist.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15208701 It changed my life forever.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:34:55 2020 No.15212973

>>15212927
> Im dissapointed why hasnt he made a distinction between good and bad technology
It doesn't exist (it does but only ideally). Even top technologists recognize this as true. His argument is pretty clear and concise as well, what did you not understand? Can you chose to discover life saving medicines? No you don't, that's the point of a "discovery". You could discover a potential weapon of mass destruction looking for antibiotics, as much as you could discover life extending technology trying to engineer a nuclear missile. Technology builds on top of technology, maybe the supposedly 'truly creative' technology was built upon "faux creative, consumerist" technology.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:35:58 2020 No.15212980

>>15212970
He did but the obsession with his critique of leftism betrays oversocialized behavior. It's honestly the least interesting part of his works, apart from his critique of academia, and serves no other purpose than to filter potentially counter-revolutionnaries from joining the movement.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:36:14 2020 No.15212983

>>15212905
>Reminder than TK moved off the grid and had no intention of any terrorist activity, untiil they started deforestating the nicest valley in Montana.
Lots of people in that area and elsewhere lived and continue to live off the land. What specific freedom was he deprived of? The freedom to hike and look at nice trees? Sounds like a surrogate activity to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:36:58 2020 No.15212989 >>15212944 >TK is right about everything What was he right about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:39:37 2020 No.15213002 >>15212944 >had read the classics before I turned 10. I have read all the major philosophers as well Is that surrogate activity supposed to impress us?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:41:52 2020 No.15213022
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>>15212973
>His argument is pretty clear and concise as well, what did you not understand? Can you chose to discover life saving medicines? No you don't, that's the point of a "discovery". You could discover a potential weapon of mass destruction looking for antibiotics, as much as you could discover life extending technology trying to engineer a nuclear missile.

that is exactly what I meant is by ISAIF being only good as a starting point to motivate you about researching about technology in general. its totally unprecise and many arguments like Industrial revolution causing it are just plain wrong.

Good technology - horseback riding
-usefull
-creates value for society
-creates capital
-non poluting

Bad technology VR porn
-not usefull
-no value, just consoooming and cooming
-destroys human capital
-polluting

etc

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:43:09 2020 No.15213032 >>15212762 Yes, I am well aware. Death is a blessing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:46:57 2020 No.15213064 >>15213022 You can't discard the bad parts of technology and keep the good one. That's it. I wish it were possible, but it's not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:48:17 2020 No.15213078 >>15213064 Why not

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:52:07 2020 No.15213103
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>>15213064
>You can't discard the bad parts of technology and keep the good one.

technology is nothing special, its just creation. just like art, crafts, literature, shelter creation, techniques of medicine etc. All of those things are the same thing - mans creation brought forth by intelligence, will, motivation...you can do it good or bad, better and worse. Technology is nothing special and just needs to be judged the same way you judge rest of creation like art. This diferentiation of art and technology is just semantics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:55:29 2020 No.15213129 >>15213064 even TK himself was a master of using technology in his shelter and using it to help him keep costs down

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 17:55:44 2020 No.15213133

>>15213103
>Technology is nothing special and just needs to be judged the same way you judge rest of creation like art
No, read Heidegger. Technology is based on material principles existing outside of human will, we discover these principles and utilize them for technology. Completely different principle from art.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:00:35 2020 No.15213162 >>15208701 There's a whole youtube channel devoted to people living Ted's dream. None of them had to kill any humans. youtube.com/channel/UC8EQAfueDGNeqb1ALm0LjHA

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:00:39 2020 No.15213163
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>>15213133
>Technology is based on material principles existing outside of human will, we discover these principles and utilize them for technology. Completely different principle from art.

Artists designs a bridge with ornaments. Puts his name on it. WOWERINO! BRIDGERINO HISTORICINO!
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Art!

Structural engeneer designs a bridge. Think about how to solves the problem of leverage, probably puts more effort in it than some postmodern fag artist puts in his gallery work.
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Technology!

Semantical nonsense.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:06:37 2020 No.15213211
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>>15213133
>>15213163
>Semantical nonsense.

now that we settled that, Ted had a point, we have a problem with technology...and art. Since both are the same, just perspectives on creation.

Both art and "tech" (as technofile consoooomer say) today are: gaudy, ugly, useless, overrated, polluting, gimmicky, overpriced, shortlasting...and neither brings value to society in its current form, but inherently there is nothing wrong with mans creation.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:06:45 2020 No.15213216

>>15213163
Brainlet. Does that artist have freedom to just design floating bridge or does he have to have to respect forces of gravity? Can he just make the bridge out of sugar or does he have to respect material chemistry? Can he just randomly make that bridge go in loop or does he have to build it for for safe crossing?

Artist can easily make those on paper, but engineer has to come close to an ideal, most effective form of bridge which exists outside of his desire of what ideal bridge should be. Artist is creating, engineer is uncovering.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:11:52 2020 No.15213251
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>>15213216
does this so called "artists" has to respect gravity when moving a paintrush? I can go on and as you what is the difference between art and craft...

>Artist is creating, engineer is uncovering.

creating = uncovering what is hidden.

stop with this post-renaissance/post-modern semantic nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:23:11 2020 No.15213354 >>15213251 Jesus you are dense. Art is an end in itself, technology is a mean to an end. Societies can easily choose what sort of art they like, but they can´t do the same with technology. >post-modern Since when is Heidegger considered post modern?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:23:59 2020 No.15213363 >>15213216 not roasting you, but just came to my mind how much this conceptual art stuff, yes, something good can come out of it, argues for my the idea that art=good idea=creation. Ayn Rand had a point as well.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:26:56 2020 No.15213377

>>15213354
>Jesus you are dense. Art is an end in itself, technology is a mean to an end.

who told you that?

>Societies can easily choose what sort of art they like, but they can´t do the same with technology

no they cant, your preference in "art" is largely genetical in temperament as is the level of sophistication dictated by intelligence. Identical principle is in technology, technology is based on styles.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:51:14 2020 No.15213553

>>15212786
Fuck the "happy" ones. Most rely on a steady diet of drugs to function anyway, and the lifestyle itself is intrinsically destructive. Fortunately, nobody is planning on asking permission to remove your pathetic toys, society will crash on its own sooner or later. You can't beat entropy. Primitivists are just happy to cheer for it (and maybe give it a little push where possible).

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 18:55:24 2020 No.15213587

>>15213377
>no they cant
Yes they can. Societies dictate what qualifies as good art. You can brainwash people into thinking that poop on wall is as good art as Rembrandt. But if you tried sending your soldiers into war with broomsticks against machine guns they will get slaughtered. For art there are no objective criteria what counts as good art, but for the other you are trying to solve a problem therefore you start with criteria what counts as good and what counts as bad. Therefore humans will be forced by historical development to come up with better and better technology, but there won´t be the same pressure on art.

Or better example. You have two top-tier artists, two top-tier engineers and two top-tier mathematicians. You tell the two artists to paint one model, then you tell the two engineers to design a device with specific parameters from specific components and finally you tell the two mathematicians to solve an equation. Would you agree tha that the artists will most likely come up with very different paintings, the engineers with most likely come up with simmiliar devices and the mathematicians will most likely come up with the exact same solution?

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:07:58 2020 No.15213686

>>15213162
I love that channel.

>>15212980
That filtering is important though.

>>15212983
What's with you and "surrogate activities" - did you just learn the phrase? You identified the freedom he was denied in your own post. "Other people" existing have nothing to do with it. What intrinsic right to kill the forests do you and your kind possess? Just violence ultimately? Ted was happy to play that game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:10:12 2020 No.15213697 >>15213686 >What intrinsic right to kill the forests do you and your kind possess? What right does Ted have to stop us? Because he's the sole owner of the planet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:11:54 2020 No.15213710 >>15213686 >intrinsic right Fucking liberals, lmao >Ted was happy to play that game. And he lost.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 19:19:39 2020 No.15213765 >>15211162 Anything before the industrial revolution counts as anti tech. Retard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 20:15:23 2020 No.15214127 >>15208701 yes. it's the best book ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 20:25:03 2020 No.15214184 >>15211497 Dum. We (America) have so much fucking easy to reach petrol it will easily last well past the time it'll take to develop mini nuclear reactors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 20:43:25 2020 No.15214266 >>15209970 and you're still on the internet!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 20:49:59 2020 No.15214301 File: 53 KB, 600x800, 614.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >my mental illness is that I REALLY hate ted kaczynski hang in there bro

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 20:54:13 2020 No.15214330 >>15210581 He flat out states that there is no way you can lay out how a revolution will occur. Plus hes in prison, kind of difficult to figure out how to start a revolution in prison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 22:26:56 2020 No.15214863 >>15208701 Just started reading this, it's actually very interesting. Not what I was expecting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 22:53:19 2020 No.15214995 >>15211701 My guess is, he thinks superstructure control the base. We will possibly be anti-tech after capitalism collapse, but you cannot expect anti-tech inside of a profit based mode of production. That's unrealistic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 23:07:01 2020 No.15215059 >>15211147 molyneux.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 01:00:04 2020 No.15215798 File: 24 KB, 554x554, images (14).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15208701 Kaczynski chart? What should I read first? Any other author that follows his ideas?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 01:52:41 2020 No.15216038 >>15211604 >Ideology is pathetic My fucking man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 02:02:59 2020 No.15216089 File: 818 KB, 1349x1049, 1586809564818.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Who are the essential anti-tech hispanic authors, /lit/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 03:01:38 2020 No.15216385 >>15211604 >Two thousands years of alienating theory lot longer than that

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 04:22:49 2020 No.15216779

>>15213587
>Therefore humans will be forced by historical development to come up with better and better technology

modern "technological development" is mostly shit, if you believe that we are coming up with better and better, you should question your presence in this thread.

>Would you agree tha that the artists will most likely come up with very different paintings, the engineers with most likely come up with simmiliar devices and the mathematicians will most likely come up with the exact same solution?

no I wouldnt, noone undestanding history of technology should agree with that. This is an extremly naive level of thinking that comes from post-renaissance and post-modernism. There are numerous examples in engineering where I can point out "styles", possibly in mathematics as well, but not my area of expertise. This whole, this is subjective and this is objective discipline is such a meme.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 05:47:19 2020 No.15217110 Is it worth getting the 2nd edition if I have the first? Was there any good content added?

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 05:57:52 2020 No.15217144
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The notion that 4chan's "Anti-Normie" is very deceiving because outside of the very frequent claims of superiority when it comes to the surrogate and useless (hobbies/ disapproval of what the "mainstream" may be willing to approve), the exact same symptoms of over-socialization are as rampant here as they obviously are "IRL", it's what this place's existence is very dependent on; opposition for the sake of opposition because something or someone has to be the opposite end of the horseshoe. So it isn't surprising that the same knee jerk like reaction (a pretty aggressive one as well, perhaps due to the nature of this place?) to attempts of questioning the mental prison we're all -in one way or another, either forcibly or willingly- forced into is also present here. People if unconvinced may claim that what Dr Kaczynski talks about is defeatist and if convinced that the endgame may as well be riding the wave because there's no way to expect anything other than being "one step ahead of death" out of all of this. In reality we don't expect anything other than being "one step ahead of death'', because that's perfectly fine. We're not utopians, however we think that what Dr Kaczynski presents may be a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't a train. Additionally, i quote: "We don’t mean to sneer at the “plantation darkies” of the Old South. To their credit, most of the slaves were NOT content with their servitude. We do sneer at people who ARE content with servitude."

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:23:47 2020 No.15217575

>>15216779
>modern "technological development" is mostly shit
If you think your moral judgement of technological development matters here, you should question your intelligence. To paraphrase one yiddish midget, technological development doesn´t care about your feelings.

>There are numerous examples in engineering where I can point out "styles"
These days it´s mostly due to copyrights, but it´s very common of engineers to come up witht the same solutions. Styles of engineering are thing of the past.

>possibly in mathematics as well, but not my area of expertise
Clearly not your area of expertise. Math doesn´t have "styles", it has right and wrong solutions and those right solutions then can be divided into optimal, less optimal and rarely into equally optimal. Mathematicians then must even agree what methods of solution are better, same or worse else they will lose their authority as mathematicians.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:35:14 2020 No.15217621

>>15217575
>If you think your moral judgement of technological development matters here, you should question your intelligence.

hey you queer, what do you think then? that current technology is good, on what area do you disagree with Ted then and what is stopping you from buying a nintendo switch?

>These days it´s mostly due to copyrights, but it´s very common of engineers to come up witht the same solutions.

dont speak about stuff you dont know, differences between nations technology styles and how they solve problems are defined by cultural borders and their style, same as in art. Science/technology being "objective" is a meme you should have overcome long time ago.

>Math doesn´t have "styles", it has right and wrong solutions and those right solutions then can be divided into optimal, less optimal and rarely into equally optimal. Mathematicians then must even agree what methods of solution are better, same or worse else they will lose their authority as mathematicians.

cute. you probably think that mathematics is science...

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:48:39 2020 No.15217688

>>15217621
>that current technology is good, on what area do you disagree with Ted then and what is stopping you from buying a nintendo switch?
Literally what you utter dummy? What does that have to do with anything? Obviously current tech is better is better than tech of last decade. Microchips have more processing power per gram and watt; batteries have larger capacity per liter; just as your stupid nintendo bingbing 2020 is better than nintendo bingbing 2000.

>differences between nations technology styles and how they solve problems are defined by cultural borders and their style
Only if they have different problems to solve. Obviously people living in humid areas would have different problems than people living in arid areas etc. However Tech is progressively less varyied by culture because increasingly globalized market forces innovation.

>you probably think that mathematics is science
Not really, I consider it a field of it´s own. But again, what does that have to do with anything?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 07:56:54 2020 No.15217726 >>15217688 >because increasingly globalized market forces innovation. The chatbot crashed again

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:12:29 2020 No.15217791

>>15217688
>Microchips have more processing power per gram and watt; batteries have larger capacity per liter; just as your stupid nintendo bingbing 2020 is better than nintendo bingbing 2000.

only bugman appreciate and notice the development of toys instead of noting the big problems in technological trends.

>Only if they have different problems to solve.

they have same problems to solve and solve them in different almost equally good ways by using different resources.

>Not really, I consider it a field of it´s own. But again, what does that have to do with anything?

then you cant use mathamatics as an analogy for science (even if we take for granted that mathematics is only one way disciple, which is isnt -e.g. statistics). keep embarrassing yourself noob.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 08:31:09 2020 No.15217863

>>15217791
>only bugman appreciate and notice the development of toys
Bugman? Is this how you call yourself? Apologies, but I´m not really well versed in American culture to know all of these superheros. Also no one spoke about "apreciating". The point was about comparison of todays tech with yesterday´s tech as judged by how well do they fill the role for which they were developed.

>instead of noting the big problems in technological trends.
And what exactely does that to do with anything?

>they have same problems to solve and solve them in different almost equally good ways by using different resources.
Oh yes, how could I forget about that country which uses carbon-based microchips for computing. Or that country which uses hamsterwheel driven cars. Or that country which defeated foreign invasion by charging on horses, sabres in hand.

>then you cant use mathamatics as an analogy for science
I´m not using it as an analogy for science dummy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:00:32 2020 No.15218804 >>15211446 >>15212708 >>15212960 Smooth-brained anti-Semites, it figures.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:15:04 2020 No.15218904 >>15212227 lol he calls it technological SLAVERY for a reason

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:34:41 2020 No.15219042 >>15214330 Did I strike a nerve?

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 11:37:36 2020 No.15219060

>>15208701
768. The Amish vs. technology. But clothing etc. is technology too. Everything beyond living naked in the woods like animals is technology — even fire. So until the Amish go off naked into caves eating raw meat we have to say that their claim of technology being evil is bullshit: at best an idiocy (not knowing what the word means), at worst hypocrisy. And to say "technology is evil past a certain point" requires a definition of that point, which no one has ever attempted to provide because everyone instinctively understands that any attempt to draw a line here would be beyond stupid, so stupid that even the person who drew the line would laugh at the absurdity of it ("Motorcycles are ok but cars aren't!")
So the only tenable viewpoint is the exact opposite one: technology is good — all of it. So the need for arbitrary lines — and for the hypocrisy of pretending they exist while no one is willing to talk about them — vanishes.
Amish therefore only possible inside a powerful nation that tolerates them as freak show and clown spectacle. In every other era the Amish would have become slaves faster than you could say "slave". Their way of life is predicated on America's fighter jets and thermonuclear submarines, i.e. you guessed it: on technology. And as time goes by to more and more advanced technology, since it is only by staying at the cutting edge of it perpetually that the US military can guarantee the Amish's freedom. Of course they themselves can't read this analysis because they don't use electricity, or computers. Eventually they'll be unable to read anything since printed books will disappear. They are already uncivilized, but at that point they'll become truly savage. A herd of savage sheep: the kind of freaks made possible only in the warm, pacified heartlands and swamplands of an advanced civilization.

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Anonymous Tue Apr 28 12:04:37 2020 No.15219273

>>15219060
>The Amish vs. technology. But clothing etc. is technology too.

not only clothing, but horse domestication they use for those pimp ass chariots, their wooden chariots are actually very advanced in chariot technology and very expensive.

>So the only tenable viewpoint is the exact opposite one: technology is good — all of it.

this is where I have to stop you, technology is good but not all technology is good technology, here are my thoughts >>15213022
>>15213103 . right now we have an influx of useless, kitschy technology that is making us poor and creates no value.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 12:15:19 2020 No.15219371 File: 2.02 MB, 3614x5149, Kaczynski Orange Green Poster.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] By far one of the most important things to read today.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 12:26:08 2020 No.15219459

>>15219273
The posts you referred to are so reductive that they don't say anything at all. "Technology that pollutes is bad," except said technology does so much more than just cause pollution. And is it really the technology that causes the pollution, or something else, like the political system in place that encourages an excess of production in order to sustain an excess of population? But then again, perhaps the political system is what it is due to other forms of technology, like railroads, airplanes, computers and the internet.

So where can you really draw the line on all this? "What benefits me today is what's good" is all it amounts to in the end, since most people enjoyed the benefits of all this technology some 15-30 years ago, despite being ignorant to what it was leading to. And if we were to say, "technology which does not lead to any degeneration is good," we would be incredibly stupid, because nothing in the universe, man-made or not, can go without leading to any degeneration at all... we ourselves produce waste simply to live, and so does all other life.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 12:41:35 2020 No.15219606

>>15219459
that example obviously wasnt precise but just an illustration that not every technology is good, you would I hope agree that VR porn is not good (technology) and that horseback riding or clothing is good (technology), but even those good can lead to bad like with over-consumption of fashion clothing etc., meanwhile I cant think of a way of VR porn turning into something good.

>So where can you really draw the line on all this?

hard to tell, but there definitely is a difference. Outsourcing of production seems to be deeply connected to nu-technology. Some traits Ive noticed that stand out of nu-tech compared to "good" tech are:
>low durability
>fast obsolence
>low modularity
>hard to recycle/reuse/resell
>lack of "tool" characteristics, instead its it own end

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 12:51:45 2020 No.15219720

>>15219606
While I haven't experienced and never will experience VR porn because I don't care about it, who am I to say that it isn't good for somebody? Isn't it a form of entertainment? Isn't somebody still profiting, and funds are coming out of someone's savings, which means taxes are going into the government? I imagine a lot of the VR porn enthusiasts are people who absolutely can't get social interaction some other way — cripples, in other words. So now you have something that they want, and are willing to spend money on, and that money won't simply sit there in an account somewhere, it'll instead go back into circulation and get taxed. Plus, maybe it'll contribute towards improving technology or entertainment in other sectors: the profits could become a nest egg for more serious projects or the employees who created the porn could go on to work on more serious projects somewhere else.

>horseback riding is good
When there's cars, motorcycles, skateboards, trains, airplanes, helicopters, and the like, this is only good for so many things for so many people.

Anonymous Tue Apr 28 13:08:12 2020 No.15219891

>>15219720
whatever the issues of VR entusiast, watching VR is a wrong way to sort them ergo VR is an example of bad technology as would be a car that constantly needs to be fixed. The taxation argument is a meme - government doesnt use money wisely e.g. HeadStart

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 13:12:05 2020 No.15219929 >>15219891 This all sounds very reductive still. VR is all bad because porn is bad? All government spends unwisely? It's not so simple as this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 13:47:38 2020 No.15220199 >>15219929 >VR is all bad because porn is bad? yes. >All government spends unwisely? no. But arguing for something based on it creates taxes instead of value it creates is window braking fallacy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 14:19:13 2020 No.15220435 >>15220199 >yes. Why? Again, degeneracy is not a valid argument, since all civilization produces it. >no. But arguing for something based on it creates taxes instead of value it creates is window braking fallacy. Capitalism creates value.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:04:46 2020 No.15220788 >>15220435 >Again, degeneracy is not a valid argument, since all civilization produces it. you are incoherent. >Capitalism creates value. yes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:18:54 2020 No.15220907 >>15220788 What's incoherent about that? Ask, and I'll explain.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:30:28 2020 No.15220999 >>15220907 all civilization having degeneracy does not lead to degeneracy is valuable. One with your great surname should know that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:46:05 2020 No.15221118 >>15220999 Degeneracy is not valuable, but neither does it undermine the things of value which it is a response to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 15:57:29 2020 No.15221195 >>15221118 >Degeneracy is not valuable, but neither does it undermine the things of value total nonsense but I doubt I can change your mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:00:43 2020 No.15221223 >>15221195 You'd change my mind if you successfully refuted the argument here >>15219060

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:03:50 2020 No.15221247 >>15221223 >refuted the argument here >>15219060 but I agree with that point, I just dont think that ALL technology is good technology.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 16:11:07 2020 No.15221298 >>15221247 >I just dont think that ALL technology is good technology If you agreed with the point, you wouldn't think this. Which is it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 17:04:55 2020 No.15221833 >>15221247 so you agree Ted was a nutcase?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 28 17:44:39 2020 No.15222287 >>15214301 lmfao

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