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[Anonymous No.15194927]

>God was generated by himself
>god generated
Why does God need to be generated? Was Descartes a brainlet?

[Anonymous No.15194933]

> he hasnt realized that most philosophers are actual retards

[Anonymous No.15194935]

>>15194927
>was one of the greatest thinkers in human history actually a brainlet

[Anonymous No.15194937]

>>15194927
>God was generated by himself
did he say this?

[Anonymous No.15194952]

Where did he say this?

[Anonymous No.15194960]

Where did god come from

[Anonymous No.15194969]

>>15194937
>>15194952
In his philosophical meditations he says god is self-generated, there's even a theologian criticizing this dumb argument after the treatise.

>>15194960
Nowhere. He has always existed and is existence itself.

[Anonymous No.15194975]

>>15194927
No, Descartes was galactic IQ.

He just knew the world wasn't ready for the truthbomb that God was made by men who sent him back in time to create the universe so he could create them.

[Anonymous No.15195143]

>>15194975
The universe cannot be created. There is nothing outside the universe for it to be created from, since the universe is everything.

[Anonymous No.15195164]

>>15195143
>doesn't know about the multiverse

[Anonymous No.15195175]

>>15195143
>Since the universe is everything
Prove it

[Anonymous No.15195181]

>>15195143
There is something beyond the universe, it's God. God created the universe ex nihilo.

[Anonymous No.15195184]

>>15195164
>multiverse

[Anonymous No.15195190]

>>15195164
It does not matter if there is a multiverse, since the different universes cannot communicate and transform between eachother, and so do not exist to each other. If they could transform, they would be the same universe, in which case it would no longer be a multiverse.

[Anonymous No.15195215]

>>15195175
It has been tautologically defined as such.
>>15195181
>God created the universe ex nihilo.
Nothing doesn't exist, therefore he couldn't have created the universe out of nothing.

[Anonymous No.15195235]

>>15195181
>There is something beyond the universe, it's God
Also, then God would be part of the universe, since he could communicate and interact with it.

[Anonymous No.15195259]

god isn't physically real but we need gods as the ultimate authority because humans are hierarchical creatures

[Anonymous No.15195271]

>>15194927
>>15194969
you don't know shit.

[Anonymous No.15195275]

>>15195259
>but we need gods as the ultimate authority because humans are hierarchical creatures
I do not see how that follows. Wouldn't you then want to make a physically real god, to reign over the hierarchy?

[Anonymous No.15195276]

>>15194969
>In his philosophical meditations he says god is self-generated
I am ctrl-f'ing the meditations right now. What is the word he used? (it was written in Latin)

[Anonymous No.15195283]

>>15195215
>It has been tautologically defined as such.
Then let's clarify our terms.
The "space" that we see that evidence indicates came into existence ~13 billion years ago with a big bang was created by an omnipotent infinity intelligence called "God" that "wrote rules" for this subset and that started the big bang

[Anonymous No.15195288]

>>15195215
Nothing doesn't exist because God terminated it when he created everything. He is the reason nothing doesn't exist.
>>15195235
>Also, then God would be part of the universe, since he could communicate and interact with it.
Why could an entity external to the universe not communicate and interact with the universe? Especially if they were omnipotent.

[Anonymous No.15195300]

>>15194927
"smartest guy and the world" and he couldn't even see that his haircut made him like a DIPSHIT lmfao

stupid gaycar

[Anonymous No.15195318]

>>15195276
He wrote it in French you pseud. He was proving that the vulgar language was worthy for philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15195334]

>>15195275
>Wouldn't you then want to make a physically real god
how

[Anonymous No.15195345]

>>15195318
no the original was in Latin. why do you think "cogito ergo sum" is the meme quote rather than "je pense, donc je suis"?
https://www.thelatinlibrary.com/des.html

[Anonymous No.15195352]

What's with all the Descartes threads lately? Are faggots so desperate from their failures to refute the cannon that they have to resort to bad faith Descartes analysis? Pathetic

[Anonymous No.15195676]

>>15194935
>was one of the greatest thinkers in human history


Name just ONE original idea

[Anonymous No.15195700]

>>15195164
then they would all have to exist inside another kind of universe together, and so on.

[Anonymous No.15195723]

>>15194927
he didn't know the greeks

[Anonymous No.15195725]

>>15195288
>Nothing doesn't exist because God terminated it when he created everything
No, you don't get it: nothing can't exist. Nothing is non-existent. This is a tautology. You cannot terminate something that never existed.
>Why could an entity external to the universe not communicate and interact with the universe?
Since then it wouldn't be external to the universe, since it would need to share attributes of the substance that is the universe in order to affect it. Therefore, god would need to be imminent to the universe.
If God was omnipotent, then there could be nothing greater than him. But God + his creation is greater than God alone. Therefore, God is the universe, using your own reasoning.

[Anonymous No.15195729]

>>15195352
Because he's the John the Baptist to /lit/'s new Jesus (but they don't know it yet).

[Anonymous No.15195735]

>>15195334
Not an omnipotent God, but a very powerful God, with bioengineering and multifarious technology.

[Anonymous No.15195748]

>>15195676
Coordinate geometry

[Anonymous No.15195754]

>>15195181
Then God would still be inside the universe.
Everything exists inside of it, nothing exists outside of it, therefore the universe is the only 'thing' or 'space' possible (and it is probably God). The human brain is perfectly wired to understand anything that is constructed by the small bits that make up everything, including God. However, the human brain cannot possibly comprehend anything outside the universe even if you told me it could, because 'outside the universe' is not comprised of universal rules, it is nothing comprised of nothing. Heaven, Hell and God are all pictured in the public consciousness as real looking things (heaven as the sky and clouds, hell as fiery lava pits and destroyed infrastructure) that would have their value equaled perfectly on earth of all places.

[Anonymous No.15195756]

>>15195352
>bad faith
t. sartrefag

[Anonymous No.15195771]

>>15195725
But something hasn't always existed therefore there was a time when nothing existed QED.
>since it would need to share attributes of the substance that is the universe in order to affect it
Why is that?
>But God + his creation is greater than God alone. Therefore, God is the universe, using your own reasoning.
Untrue, rather what you mean to say is the universe is God (in terms of what it is made of). While you're correct in that God is omnipresent therefore He is present at all spacial points in the universe so it follows that God extends to include the universe. In such a situation God would still be more than the universe, as the He is infinite while the universe is finite. Even if the universe is 9999999999999999999 great God is still infinity great so in the sum of the two God still constitutes something infinitely larger. Ergo the universe is but God's little toe.

[Anonymous No.15195779]

>>15195754
>Everything exists inside of it
Except God, other universes and probably a tonne of other shit we don't know about.

What pomposity to say "There's nothing outside my plane of existence"!

[Anonymous No.15195784]

>>15195283
No, I've already explained in >>15195215 that the universe is not created. It is eternal, since the universe has nothing to transform into. Only the content internal to the universe transforms, since it has other content to communicate and transform into. Such transformation happens endlessly, for if it stopped then there would be no communication which means every part of the universe would no longer be a part, but a whole universe. We can infer this is impossible because it has never before happened in all of eternity, since if it did happen there would be no more transformation. But things are transforming, hence it is refuted.

[Anonymous No.15195793]

>>15195748
He didn't invent that lol

[Anonymous No.15195819]

>>15195779
So then it would be inside THE universe would it not? There is no such thing as nothing... the universe, the universe that contains this universe, the universe that contains the universe that contains this universe the other universes within the universe, a tonne of other shit we don't know about, they are all everything. Nothing is nothing, it cannot exist, cannot be fathomed or comprehended, the only impossible thing. I am open to changing my mind but it is the only conclusion I can come to. God is everything (I mean everything, even your other universes and tonnes of other shit) and everything is the only possible mode.

[Anonymous No.15195839]

>>15195771
>But something hasn't always existed
The universe is eternal, since it cannot change, since it has nothing to transform into, since it is everything and there is nothing outside it. QED.
>Why is that?
Only substance with the same nature can interact.
>Untrue, rather what you mean to say is the universe is God
No, I didn't. By posing the tautology of Universe = God, it becomes irrelivent if the terms switch positions to show God = Universe.
>While you're correct in that God is omnipresent therefore He is present at all spacial points in the universe so it follows that God extends to include the universe. In such a situation God would still be more than the universe, as the He is infinite while the universe is finite. Even if the universe is 9999999999999999999 great God is still infinity great so in the sum of the two God still constitutes something infinitely larger.
You are right, just not getting my language. The universe is infinite (that is, there is nothing to limit it, since there is nothing outside it), and God is infinite, therefore God = Universe.

[Anonymous No.15195840]

>>15194927
Was it because of Aristotle's prime mover meme perhaps?

[Anonymous No.15195898]

>>15195352
Cannot be refuted