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[Anonymous No.15163028]

May someone explain this to an uninitiated half-wit like myself?

[Anonymous No.15163032]

>>15163028
>According to the scared Hindu scriptures the world is currently in Kali Yuga (the Age of Kali), also known as the Age of Despair or the Dark Age, because people are the furthest possible from God. Here are some characteristics of Kali Yuga: rules will become unreasonable and non-spiritual, and instead of projecting their subjects, they will become a danger to the world. Taxes will be heavy and unjustified. Avarice and corruption will be rife. Animosity between men will flair to great heights. The right hand will deceive the left hand. People will no longer trust each other, even in their own family. There will be teenage pregnancies. People will, without reason, destroy trees and gardens. There will be no respect for animals and so on and so forth.

[Anonymous No.15163039]

>>15163032
If this is only a meme I thank you for the notice anyway, who wrote it Anon?

[Anonymous No.15163052]

>>15163028
Hobbes' Léviathan

[Anonymous No.15163058]

where did you find that meme originally, OP?

[Anonymous No.15163059]

>>15163039
No clue, I just thought it was funny. What is that, Hobbes’ Leviathan and Descartes? Kant? Burke?

[Anonymous No.15163064]

>>15163058
On a thread, I was skimming past months back. I knew it related to some philosophical work in a humorous manner so i saved it.

[Anonymous No.15163067]

>>15163059
Nome of those has the correct kind of hairdo

[Anonymous No.15163073]

>>15163052
Thanks Anon

[Anonymous No.15163078]

>>15163052
Thanks Anon :)

[Anonymous No.15163140]

>>15163067
Locke? Montesquieu? Rousseau? Hoom?

[Anonymous No.15163155]

>>15163064
Oh okay, just on /lit/ then. I'm the one who made it and a like to hear about where my memes have been, a bit like a doting mother. Anyway, it's a riff on an old Metal Gear Revengeance meme (https://youtu.be/WM33Hr94SKw?t=14)), replacing Raiden and Metal Gear Ray with Rousseau and Hobbes' Leviathan accordingly. The joke is that both of these writers were Natural Law theorists, who thought particular Rules of Nature served as the foundation for political contract, however both held opposing views about what that entailed. Unfortunately, Rousseau isn't so easily identifiable as the Leviathan, so people are often confused whether it's Locke or even Hobbes.

[Anonymous No.15163292]

>>15163155
Yo, holy shit! Thanks for the explanation, I definitely knew some underlying reference was there to other media, but I couldn't put my finger on it (I thought it was a traced scene from 'Attack on Titan' originally). How does it feel to have your art be interpreted amongst the plebeians like archaeologists do when they find a tool buried somewhere?

[Anonymous No.15163363]

>>15163155
I thought it was Kant.

[Anonymous No.15163425]

>>15163292
>How does it feel to have your art be interpreted amongst the plebeians like archaeologists do when they find a tool buried somewhere?
Even though i would in no way consider myself an artist, i think it's a failure on the artists part if what an image represents isn't clear. I guess all the shitty meme edits i've done over the years has taught me is that it isn't just about drawing skill, but composition too; even if i was a decent drawer, i don't think i could have possibly made Rousseau recognizable from behind. But ultimately i'm just happy people are enjoying it, even if it isn't completely clear—it's hard to tell what OC you make will take off and which you will never see reposted, so it brings a smile to my face to see other anons using it from time to time.

[Anonymous No.15163471]

>>15163425
Happy to do so, thank you Anon.

[Anonymous No.15163536]

I get leviathan but what is behemoth about

[Anonymous No.15163541]

>>15163155
As soon as I saw it I knew it was rousseau

[Anonymous No.15163551]

>>15163155
Damn I remember when you first posted this meme in a thread on /lit/ and I didn't even know it was Rousseau until now.
Feeling like a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.15163850]

>>15163028
Please somebody post the picture of Hegel spread over Eurasia like this caricature of Cecil Rhodes, I can't seem to find it anywhere!!

[Anonymous No.15163877]

Rousseau's Social Contract vs Hobbes' Leviathan (in a MGR reference). I recognized both right away thanks to my public law class.
Favorite /lit/ related gif.

[Anonymous No.15164046]

>>15163850
you fuckers, i made that one too! why don't you use it!?!? it took me like ten-times as long to make as anything else, AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.15164052]

>>15163850
>>15164046
but here's the full version

[Anonymous No.15164054]

>>15164046
which ones have you done?

[Anonymous No.15164066]

Since this is now an /artlit/ thread and I'm bored as fuck feel free to request any memes you want me to make

[Anonymous No.15164083]

>>15164066
shoop Anti-Oedipus

[Anonymous No.15164085]

>>15164083
shoop Anti-Oedipus into this* The Phenomenology, Fanged Noumena, or something reactionary would be funny too

[Anonymous No.15164086]

>>15164066
Do the Glanton Gang from Blood Meridian in the style of a group photo please.

[Anonymous No.15164092]

>>15164054
There's this, but most of the other one's are just photoshops. Practically all of the anime-girls-holding-books-with-author-background are me.

[Anonymous No.15164093]

>>15163032
>make vague prediction
MY GOD THEY CAME TRUE

[Anonymous No.15164098]

>>15164092
forgot to add the image.

[Anonymous No.15164108]

>>15164098
Holy shit, you really do be doing 'em like this huh?

[Anonymous No.15164119]

>>15164083
There you go nigger

[Anonymous No.15164121]

>>15164119
thank you based photoshop anon

[Anonymous No.15164168]

>>15164085
Enjoy it fellow litizen

[Anonymous No.15164282]

>>15164119
come on anon, show some pride in your shoops. a half-finished job will always come back to haunt you.

[Anonymous No.15164298]

>>15164282
>>15164168
high quality

[Anonymous No.15164303]

Is the Leviathan fighting Locke?

[Anonymous No.15164305]

>>15163155
Based
Quality shit mang

[Anonymous No.15164317]

>>15164303
Could be, would be a very surface understanding of Locke's views of monarchy or of Hobbes' Leviathan.

[Anonymous No.15164408]

>>15164085

[Anonymous No.15164469]

>>15163028
10/10 gif

[Anonymous No.15164538]

>>15163155
I remember when you first posted it saying you had been working on it for a while and I thought it was neat.
However I despise Rousseau's whole body of theory after reading his Discourse on Inequality and all the noble savage bullshit.
Leviathan ftw

[Anonymous No.15164545]

>>15163155
Absolutely based

[Anonymous No.15164900]

>>15164538
anon, i hope you can give Rousseau another chance as i think his work—and the second discourse in particular—are among the best in political philosophy. First and foremost, i think it's important to dispel the common idea that Rousseau was in anyway trying to give an anthropological account of an early stage of man. The idea of the noble savage has as much a reality as Hobbes' state of nature; that is, it is a useful myth serves to highlight particular ideas, though something that never actually happened (both Hobbes and Rousseau say this explicitly in their respective texts). The Second Discourse can be seen primarily as a critique of all the major Natural Law theorists that came before him (Puffendorf, Grotius, Hobbes, and particularly Locke), not as a work that necessarily stands on its own.
The true purpose of the noble savage is to explain the idea of Amour-propre and Amour de soi: both translating roughly to "self-love", but having radically different meanings. Rousseau accepts at the beginning of the discourse that Hobbes account of human character was in a way correct—if the state suddenly disappeared and man was left to fend for himself, we really would be at each others throat—however his disagrees that this is some essential nature of man. As he rightly states, Hobbes' state of nature is a hypothetical scenario that takes man as he is, already shaped by society and as such can in no way precede it. So one of the things Rousseau wanted to show is how the institution of society holds within it the seeds of many human vices, carrying on his project from the first discourse. Society corrupts through causing men to 'live in the view of others' so to speak, which is Amour-propre—a love of the self as viewed by others (i.e. the individual can only identify himself through the expectations and demands of others). This is opposed by Amour de soi, which is a love of the self as viewed by the self: one defined only by oneself, with no reference to other's opinion. It is from a lack of amour de soi and an overabundance of Amour-propre that many of vices of comparison spring: Greed, Lust, Envy, Pride—all these can only exist between people. They require society first, so they can precede it. The Noble Savage is needed to explicate this point, as only through a fictional story can this hidden impact of society be revealed. And Rousseau repeatedly says we can't undo this, only try to minimize it. In reality, his pragmatic assessment isn't far from Hobbes, he just doesn't have an essentialist metaphysics.
Anyway, i need to go to sleep now. I hope i managed to at least raise Rousseau's standing a little in your eyes (and i didn't even get to his critique of Locke's account of property) because i'd hate to see you miss out on such a rich political thinker. Often contradictory and hypocritical, but still a great thinking in his own right.

[Anonymous No.15165380]

>>15164046
I will surely use it anon, I just remembered seeing it in the same thread

[Anonymous No.15165693]

>>15164052
>>15164046
one foot should be over spain and the other over russia

[Anonymous No.15165734]

>>15164066
Bumplerino for anyone interested in deluxe shitpost material

[Anonymous No.15165793]

>>15163059
Most likely Rousseau.

[Anonymous No.15165974]

>>15163155
What app have you used for this?

Also, congrats. This pic brings me great joy by blending together my love for mgsr and my phd in political doctrines.

[Anonymous No.15166012]

>>15163028
There is not a more detestable wretch in the world than R**sseau. I hate that motherfucker so much.

[Anonymous No.15166200]

>>15164098
I saved that one. You have made all the high quality ones

[Anonymous No.15166233]

>>15164098
Kant, Marx, Hegel, and Nietzsche I get, but who's the guy on the bottom left? Is it supposed to be Fichte?

[Anonymous No.15166241]

>>15166233
Schopenkart I be

[Anonymous No.15166276]

>>15166241
Oh, right, of course

[Anonymous No.15166278]

>>15163155
Ah, I thought it was Rousseau at first but then second guessed with Locke, anyways great meme I've shared this with some friends and had a laugh

[Anonymous No.15166361]

>>15163425
what if you put an ocean between the two to queue Hobbes on the Island and Rousseau on the continent

[Anonymous No.15166394]

>>15166361
I think this is interesting dear anon.

[Anonymous No.15166410]

Did we accidentally discover the greatest memer of /lit/ in this thread

[Anonymous No.15166433]

>>15164098
>>15164046
>>15163155
I love you. Thank you for these.

[Anonymous No.15167121]

>>15165734
>>15164066

Something to do with Joyce and Proust and memory.

[Anonymous No.15168577]

Bump

[Anonymous No.15168709]

>>15163155
Eyyy, you were the one that responded to me posting the
>RULES OF NATURE!
Scene in a thread.
, still glade you made it. imo however the body of bodies should be called “The Sovereign” for a few reasons. First Hobbes uses the term more often and the nuance of Leviathian is lost on modern minds. In the day leviathan was thought by etymologists to mean one body so large as seem to be composed of many, basic LT the Aristotlian idea of the corpore. However the head, which does not consist of multiple individuals, but one is the “sovereign” who has the gestalt rights of all the individuals in the covenant. (Also I think sovereign is a more evocative name)

I think I told you guys about an essay I wrote back then about how Hobbes and Locke both believed the natural state of man was to be free, but due to how freedom was manifested caused an almost diometricly upossed enlightenment political stance of authoritarianism and liberalism (as general trends).

[Anonymous No.15168717]

>>15163425
>>15163292

It was only like half a year ago, lol.

[Anonymous No.15169340]

>>15165974
Photoshop elements. I should really get around to pirating the full thing.
>>15168709
I thought Leviathan was a reference to the Book of Job, in which it was 'the ruler over the children of pride' of which 'Nothing on earth is its equal' and no man dared challenge its power. And then Hobbes went on to write a book titled Behemoth as well.

[Anonymous No.15170144]

>>15163032
>le Kali Yuga
Off yourself my man.

[Anonymous No.15170163]

>>15163032
But that's been every Tuesday for almost all of history at some point?

[Anonymous No.15170172]

>>15163028
>>15163039
>If this is only a meme I thank you for the notice anyway, who wrote it Ano
Kojima, Metal Gear Rising sword fight and meme early 00s music

[Anonymous No.15170342]

>>15164900
I appreciate the reply.

>Rousseau wanted to show is how the institution of society holds within it the seeds of many human vices

This is whay I do not agree with. I've studied biology, primate and human behavior, prehistory and neuroscience because I am deeply interested in learning about human nature. And I do not believe the idea that all these "vices" are clearly defined enough to be considered evils, nor that "society" is so clearly their cause.
All of that is debatable, but what -really- upsets me is how he claims that native men were living in some sort of "pure" existence, making them look more fortunate, healthy, happy, gentle, etc than the ill and civilized European man.

That thought wasn't uncommon among continental European intellectuals of his time, all living so far away from the colonial empires that had expanded during the previous centuries.
I've read a lot of colonial literature, much more than my countrymen, I was born in an ex Spanish colony, and by the vicissitudes of life I experienced ethnic inequality first hand by living both in castizo, mestizo and pure native areas, I personally know native tribes who prefer to live generally outside of modern society, I know their history and culture better than they can be bothered to know it themselves. A family member of mine moved to live in the middle of their areas in the forests and he too agrees with me. I've studied and traveled the world enough to know that the noble savage is a philosophical falsity. There is simply no such nobility. And I know what consequences the idea later inspired in History, including several Latin American independence movements, such as the logia Lautaro, and modern politically correct policies. The idea is exploited to push certain political interests because it sounds virtuous and just, but look deeper and it is merely a political tool.

>i hope you can give Rousseau another chance
I am now reading his Social Contract. Since I try to read him in the original French which isn't my native language I am taking my time and slowly making sure I understand every concept. I have found some leaps in logic but so far it seems a much stronger and solid book.