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[Anonymous No.15157091]

>point out contradictions in the bible
>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS IT'S ALL TRUE

[Anonymous No.15157104]

>>15157091
>what is dialetheism

[Anonymous No.15157114]

I feel bad for the early church fathers, they really tried their best to sew the gaps and patch up the contradictions whether its the nature of Jesus or the differences between the Hebrew bible and the gospels, but no avail. it's still completely bullshit

[Anonymous No.15157123]

>>15157104
>what is coping

[Anonymous No.15157124]

>>15157091

Life is full of contradictions

[Anonymous No.15157130]

couldn't you make this shit post in one of the 10 jesus threads going on? there was no reason to make a new thread for this.

[Anonymous No.15157139]

>>15157114
>Can't point to these gaps and contradictions

[Anonymous No.15157140]

I'm Shure they have been answered . Probably in the fist few centuries.

[Anonymous No.15157151]

>>15157091
go ahead, point out one then.

[Anonymous No.15157154]

There are no contradictions in the Bible
read Calvin's commentaries and Institutes of the Christian Religion

[Anonymous No.15157155]

>>15157139
you want me to point to every single one?

[Anonymous No.15157160]

>>15157155
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15157175]

>>15157104
>dilatetheism
Based

[Anonymous No.15157179]

>>15157155
Yes, and before you post it, look up Aquinas’ reponse to it.

[Anonymous No.15157186]

Religion is paradoxical, you are supposed to rejoice in that

[Anonymous No.15157193]

>>15157160
nice tactic chriscuck, it will take me days to fully compile them all and by then you would move on. I'll give you just one. According to the Hewbrew bible the messiah is a man and a servant of God, not once in the messianic prophecies has it been mentioned that the messiah will be God in the flesh who die for our sins. thats greek/roman influence on the early christcucks

[Anonymous No.15157199]

>Yes, and before you post it, look up Aquinas’ reponse to it.

[Anonymous No.15157203]

Can a christcuck tell me this how can a man be responsible for his evil if god made him so?
Hes genetics+environment all predetermined, if hes traumatized and born with mental illnesses what choice does he have?
While another man born with good parents, no illnesses makes an easy choice for good.
How can man be responsible for the script he was given?
The choice was made for him its merely an illusion that hes making a choice.

[Anonymous No.15157204]

>>15157186
this, the Orthodox are the only denomination of Christianity that really embraces that aspect of religion nowadays though

[Anonymous No.15157212]

>>15157193
>I do not have facts to back this up.

[Anonymous No.15157235]

>>15157193
did you ever notice that most of the Old Testament is about how often the Jews either misinterpret or deliberately disobey God's words?
and then God needs to get involved as a result of Jews fucking up, isn't it funny how often that happens?
Have you ever thought that you might be reading the Old Testament too literally?

[Anonymous No.15157239]

>>15157203

>evil if god made him so?

Evil is the absence of God, where he has hidden himself. People are not made evil.

>all predetermined

Is not.

Any other questions?

[Anonymous No.15157245]

>>15157239
>all predetermined
>Is not.
b-b-but I thought god has a plan for all of us?

[Anonymous No.15157250]

>>15157212
>He will be a servant of God: "Behold, my servant, whom I uphold, mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles." (Isaiah 42:1).
thats proves that the messiah is a servant of God, not God himself. now its your turn. prove your claims, where in the Hebrew bible does it say God will incarnate in the flesh as the messiah? bonus points, if you don't take passages out of context or use mistranslations

[Anonymous No.15157261]

>>15157245

This is exoteric self help newthink that people parrot. Nothing to do with Christianity. Ignore it.

[Anonymous No.15157276]

name 1

[Anonymous No.15157283]

>>15157193
the whole point of the new testament is to contradict the old one DIPSHIT

[Anonymous No.15157301]

>>15157283
really? then that means God contradicted himself, since christcucks claim both testaments are Divinely inspired. I thought he said he doesn't change his mind in the book of numbers?

[Anonymous No.15157304]

>>15157283
What no its not? The old testament is a foreshadowing of Christ

[Anonymous No.15157307]

So which came first, man or animals?

[Anonymous No.15157315]

>>15157301
God literally changes him mind from the book of exodus to deuteronomy cause a group of women ask Moses if God can change the laws about female inheritance and God says hmm good idea lets change them

[Anonymous No.15157316]

>>15157307
Jeebus comes first, always

[Anonymous No.15157320]

>>15157261
Is there a mention of a grand plan in the bibble?

[Anonymous No.15157325]

>>15157250
I am going to send an angel in front of you, to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. Be attentive to him and listen to his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression; for my name is in him. But if you listen attentively to his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and a foe to your foes. When my angel goes in front of you, and brings you to the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, and I blot them out (Exodus 23:20-23).

The Israelites were told that they must obey the angel because the name of the Lors was in him.God would never share His name with any created being so the Angel of the Lord is God.
I am the LORD, that is My name; My glory I give to no other, nor My praise to idols (Isaiah 42:8).

[Anonymous No.15157338]

>>15157325
I forgot to include the Angel of the Lord = Jesus

[Anonymous No.15157351]

>>15157250
How does this prove what you were saying, and exactly what claims did I make that you want me to back up?

[Anonymous No.15157357]

>>15157338
it’s good you forgot that because it’s clearly wrong

[Anonymous No.15157358]

>>15157325
>he does exactly what I told him not to do and goes and takes passages out of context
>he also brings passages that have nothing to do with the messianic prophecies
I'll refute your retardation anyway. God says my name is in him, not I gave him my name, as in the angel is called YHWH.
>I am the LORD, that is My name; My glory I give to no other, nor My praise to idols
okay, how does this prove your claims? God said my name is in the angel, not I have gave the angel my glory and my praise. fucking hell, you can probably do better than this

[Anonymous No.15157365]

>>15157325
>God would never share His name with any created being so the Angel of the Lord is God.
What? God shares his name with Moses

[Anonymous No.15157371]

>>15157204
>>15157239
>>15157250
>>15157151
>>15157104

[Anonymous No.15157373]

Islam's claim to the truth is far more convincing anyway.

[Anonymous No.15157383]

>>15157283
Lol no it isn't

Matthew 5:17-18
>Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.

[Anonymous No.15157384]

>>15157373
here's the (you), you ordered

[Anonymous No.15157385]

>>15157357
Why?
>>15157358
Giving the Angel his name gives the Angel his glory

[Anonymous No.15157389]

>>15157384
Thank you friend, now read the Qur'an.

[Anonymous No.15157394]

>>15157389
Why are there parts of gnostic gospels in the Quran?

[Anonymous No.15157419]

>>15157385
no, he didn't GIVE the angel his name, he said "My name is in him". it's a huge fucking stretch to go from "the angel has God's name in him" to "the angel is God". so, what am getting from this is you didn't find a verse or passage that says God will incarnate in the flesh as messiah? and so you're resorting to completely unrelated passages?

[Anonymous No.15157435]

>>15157385
there’s nothing in there about jesus and it doesn’t sound like him at all. did jesus come to btfo the hittites?

[Anonymous No.15157445]

>>15157435
Right but the trintiy consists of three peoples: The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit. The Father and the Holy Spirit are mentioned by name and since the Angel of the Lord is equated to God at many times then its likely the Angel of the Lord is Jesus

[Anonymous No.15157453]

>>15157371
why'd you respond to me with this bait when it doesn't relate to Orthodox theology and their view of sin and the function of Jesus at all?

[Anonymous No.15157461]

>>15157419
15 Manoah said to the angel of the Lord, “We would like you to stay until we prepare a young goat for you.”

16 The angel of the Lord replied, “Even though you detain me, I will not eat any of your food. But if you prepare a burnt offering, offer it to the Lord.” (Manoah did not realize that it was the angel of the Lord.)

17 Then Manoah inquired of the angel of the Lord, “What is your name, so that we may honor you when your word comes true?”

18 He replied, “Why do you ask my name? It is beyond understanding.[a]” 19 Then Manoah took a young goat, together with the grain offering, and sacrificed it on a rock to the Lord. And the Lord did an amazing thing while Manoah and his wife watched: 20 As the flame blazed up from the altar toward heaven, the angel of the Lord ascended in the flame. Seeing this, Manoah and his wife fell with their faces to the ground. 21 When the angel of the Lord did not show himself again to Manoah and his wife, Manoah realized that it was the angel of the Lord.

22 “We are doomed to die!” he said to his wife. “We have seen God!”

Ok this is a direct refrence to the Angel of the Lord as God

[Anonymous No.15157469]

>>15157091
It's impossibile to argue with Christians. Their entire worldview is predicated upon making shit up in order to make a collection of random semitic myths appear reasonable (to themselves).

[Anonymous No.15157500]

>>15157461
Okay and? Kek. how do these passages prove any of your claims? they're completely unrelated, If the angel of the lord was God, then Manoiah and his wife would've died because they saw him, because as God said to moses, no one can see God and live but thats not the case with Manoah. You refuted yourself. for the last time, you fucking retard. bring just ONE passage or verse that says God will incarnate in the flesh as the messiah and will get sacrificed. it's not a complicated request. you would think God would mention something as important as that

[Anonymous No.15157503]

>>15157419
You arent going to get anywhere with the christcucks. Even the christian scriptures you wont find anything with jesus=god except in tbe John school. Jesus himself says hes been given authority to forgive sins. Why would god need to be given authority?

[Anonymous No.15157510]

>>15157469
It's almost like it has a tradition that Christians base their apologetics off

[Anonymous No.15157513]

>>15157503
Something something the tree impostors

[Anonymous No.15157519]

Christianity is a form of mentall illness

[Anonymous No.15157528]

>>15157500
Im not the other guy you were arguing with spastic lol

[Anonymous No.15157530]

>>15157528
still refuted yourself, christcuck

[Anonymous No.15157535]

>>15157530
Where? You want to be spoonfed?

[Anonymous No.15157543]

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[Anonymous No.15157547]

>>15157535
here >>15157500
the angel of the lord isn't God. so therefore, it isn't Jesus being foreshadowed here, as you fags claim.

[Anonymous No.15157556]

>>15157519
The funny thing is that there are clear passages against race mixing in the OT but no christcuck ever bothers to mention Solomon or what happens in the book of Nehemia and they preach the same crypto-globalist "we're all one in jebus" narrative. These fags don't even read the book that shaped their kike cult.

[Anonymous No.15157566]

>>15157547
>If the angel of the lord was God, then Manoiah and his wife would've died because they saw him, because as God said to moses, no one can see God and live but thats not the case with Manoah
Yes but its precisely because the Angel of the Lord is the Son that they dont die when they see Him. That part about Moses is in refrence tonthe father. This is basic theology please read before seething about Christianity :)

[Anonymous No.15157571]

>>15157556
thats because the old testament is no longer valid and Jesus isn't like his father, he's more liberal

[Anonymous No.15157582]

>>15157556
Thats because your listening to pr*Testants

[Anonymous No.15157584]

>>15157571
>Christcucks claim Jesus is God
>Then say Jesus is different from God
Mental gymnastics in full swing. Christians are polytheists in denial

[Anonymous No.15157591]

>>15157582

[Anonymous No.15157597]

>>15157566
damn, but the angel of the lord isn't even the Son. no where does the angel say "I am the son" or even something close to that. why do you like to pull things out of your ass? is this what christian theology all about. pulling things out of your ass?

[Anonymous No.15157601]

>>15157582
BASED BLACK MAN, I’m gonna go join this universalist, spiritually egalitarian slave morality cult now!

[Anonymous No.15157603]

>>15157597
see >>15157445
Again anon I urge you to read before criticising a religion

[Anonymous No.15157605]

>>15157582
>look at this based nigger
>b-but pls don't look at what the current pope has said about refugees

[Anonymous No.15157613]

>>15157603
sure sure, the father and the son and so on. But the Angel is never mentioned to be the Son. "he has God's name in him" doesn't mean he is God/Son. how much space do you have in your ass to pull things like that?

[Anonymous No.15157615]

>>15157605
see >>15157591
Yes pope Francis is indeed wrong
>>15157601
Larpagan cope?

[Anonymous No.15157627]

>>15157613
Again Ive already shown that the Angel of the Lord is God. But can there be two Gods? No hence the trinity is correct as ive already mentioned why it makes biblical sense.

[Anonymous No.15157638]

>>15157315
>God changes his mind
Are you fucking kidding me? An all-knowing, all-powerful being can be persuaded to change his mind even though he is the most objectively "correct" being to ever exist? The bible is truly a load of contradictory horseshit.

[Anonymous No.15157640]

Materialism is the greatest crime against humanity after religions.

[Anonymous No.15157652]

>>15157615
Accusing pagans of cope? Top kek, Christianity is the greatest of copes and mental gymnastics. How can can there still be Christians on this board in the current year. Any religion which denies the Natural Order, its hierarchical character or runs contrary to what can observed in nature should be rejected out of hand for what it is — falsity, especially when this falsity is so obviously centered around (1) the Old Testament which preaches Jewish supremacy and (2) a New Testament riddled with interpolations, inconsistencies and slave morality which depicts God himself manifesting as a Jew among tons of other Jews, where he goes around calling gentiles dogs, saying salvation is of the Jews, and later sayings not from Jesus which say Salvation is first for the Jews, then the gentile! (Romans 1:16). To follow the teachings of Jesus is turn yourself into a cuck to the Jews and pave the way for your own extinction.

Likewise it is universalistic, seeing only “man” – there is no such thing as “man” – there are men — Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, Africans, etc. Of course, “spiritual equality” is claimed, that subversive lie which paves the way for equality under the law today.

Not only does Christianity set itself up for racial suicide, it sets its own God up for suicide by shifting the center of gravity of life out of life and into some mysterious “beyond”, into the afterlife, into nothingness. First monotheism demythologizes and desacralizws the world, saying that the nature pagans saw as alive with gods and spirits is dead, and then it consumes itself and falls victim to itself. The world desacralized there is no longer any place for the sacred, the Jewish god is dead, but his values live on in other forms of Jewish-influenced political strands like Marxism and liberalism.

Not to mention that the concept of Hell is an obvious cope for betas and weaklings. lIf you don’t obey the Jewish god you’re gonna burn in fire FOREVER, so don’t be bad! If you refrain from doing what we don’t want you do, you’re going to live in a paradise AFTER YOU DIE”. Pure cope

[Anonymous No.15157659]

>>15157627
>Again Ive already shown that the Angel of the Lord is God
No, you attempted a weak stretch and I already refuted it, here >>15157419 and here >>15157500. and then for the rest of thread you kept dodging a very simple request. for the last last time, Bring me a verse or passage in the Hebrew bible that says God will incarnate in the flesh as the messiah and will be sacrificed for our sins, this is your last chance at proving the legitimacy of your christian claims

[Anonymous No.15157661]

>>15157652
As soon as i saw u were an unironic pagan i stopped reading lmao. Stop larping if u care so much and revive worshipping tranny gods like hermaphrodite again

[Anonymous No.15157662]

Israel is God's first born son, not jesus. God himself says this clear as day, exodus 4:22. Later fan fiction cannot override the original soirce text.

[Anonymous No.15157678]

>>15157659
Damn you are actually braindead. If you cared enough about the religion you would actually read up on its theology rsther than denying basic things your pea brain cant cope with

[Anonymous No.15157679]

>>15157661
>s-stop LARPing
>worships a rabbi

[Anonymous No.15157697]

>>15157679
Yes pagan tradition is dead anon. Jesus was not a Jew and referred to them as a syangogue of Satan

[Anonymous No.15157710]

>>15157104
>what is dialetheism
a christcuck cope

[Anonymous No.15157716]

>>15157678
>christcuck couldn't prove his gay claims
>r-read about t-theology
this is just sad, it must be soul crushing for you that you couldn't prove Jesus is God in the flesh. the cuck life must be hard. have a good day.

[Anonymous No.15157722]

>>15157697
God and religion are distinct, separate and often conflicting concepts. Nature evidences the divine plan, for the natural world is the work of the force or the intelligence men call God. Religion is the creation of mortals, therefore predestined to fallibility. Religion may preserve or destroy a People, depending on the structure given by its progenitors, the motives of its agents and the vagaries of historical circumstances. According to those who have nested themselves in Christianity, and according to "vagaries of historical circumstances" Christianity has become an enemy of the white race and it is from the get-go, even besides what I have just said, a blatant falsehood due to its teachings. Look to Nature, contemplate it, observe it – here is the evidence for God, not in the dusty books of Semitic nomads or the muddled ramblings of Hindus.

[Anonymous No.15157725]

>>15157716
I dont really have anything to prove to you anon. I hope you can find Jesus :)

[Anonymous No.15157727]

>>15157638
The ancient jewish conception of divinity is not the same as the ancient greek and modern idea. God changing his mind in Deuteronomy is no problem to ancient jews and in fact is consistent with the culture. Christina Hayes has a good lecture on this called "whats so divine about divine law"

[Anonymous No.15157741]

>>15157640
based

[Anonymous No.15157743]

>>15157716
Such is the way of the christcuck

[Anonymous No.15157744]

>>15157722
Hmm but how can you discern God in Nature?

[Anonymous No.15157746]

>>15157725
>I couldn't prove anything from the Book that God apparently inspired
>but hey Jesus, amirite?
I would call you retard or cuck, but this is just very sad.

[Anonymous No.15157759]

>>15157746
I have proved it but you can wrap your head around basic things. Why are you so insitent on winning an internet argument lmao

[Anonymous No.15157788]

>>15157759
nah it's not about wining, it's just that am researching religions, trying to "find god" if you well, and throughout this thread, You've proven to me over and over that the christian claims and religion are completely retard. you didn't refute or rebuke anything from what I said here>>15157419. and just kept telling me to find Jesus. you also didn't give any proof from the Hebrew bible where God says he'll incarnate as a man and die for our sins.

[Anonymous No.15157797]

>>15157727
>don't worry goy, God changes his mind to suit whatever purpose we need him for all the time! Nothing to see here, move along...

[Anonymous No.15157825]

>>15157320

In Ephesians, sure. But it's a grand plan for the salvation of all the cosmos, not whether or not you'll wake up this morning and stub your big toe.

[Anonymous No.15157826]

>>15157727
>God changes his mind, even though he said he doesn't
>watch this lecture

[Anonymous No.15157876]

>>15157826
Zeus can change his mind why cant Yahweh?

[Anonymous No.15157965]

>>15157876
because he said he doesn't. Numbers 23:19

[Anonymous No.15158018]

>>15157965
that doesn't say he can't change his mind about things, just that he will not lie

[Anonymous No.15158027]

>>15157727
>>15157727
Sounds like an atheist lecture :3

[Anonymous No.15158030]

>>15158018
>Numbers 23:19
> not a human being, that he should change his mind.

[Anonymous No.15158068]

>>15157965
Yeah according to Balaam

[Anonymous No.15158080]

>>15158068
are you saying the book of numbers is non-canon?

[Anonymous No.15158102]

>>15157091

[Anonymous No.15158109]

>>15158080
Balaam said what he said but hes Balaam, the wicked pagan seer. Its his dialogue and his words

[Anonymous No.15158185]

>>15158030
>God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
works in my translation bro, how about you try getting the real word of God?

Works in my translation

[Ioannes No.15158202]

>>15157722
Why would I worship ever-changing nature or the “infallible mortals” nursed by it when I could worship the Creator of all who alone remains illimitable and without change?
You didn’t think that far because you don’t even care. Your belief in God is contingent on modern politics, which is why you worship “The People” like a communist. The only reason you say God is Nature is so you can pretend your conception of the “people’s” identity has an ironclad eternal nature or essence. You’re probably half Mexican too.
Not only is this unprovable (it’s an act of faith to believe it like any other form of knowledge), it’s a product of late modernity and will die like communism died, whereas my God was, is, and will be. ICXC NIKA, slave

[Anonymous No.15158221]

*Gnosticism saves the day (again)*
heh nothing personnel, hylic.