>he doesn't take extensive notes about what he reads, making a point to write down his favorite parts, and schedule a review of his notes according to the principles of spaced repetition Enjoy remembering 1 book out of each 50 you read, pleb.

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Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:59:56 2020 No.15151747 [Reply] [Original]

>he doesn't take extensive notes about what he reads, making a point to write down his favorite parts, and schedule a review of his notes according to the principles of spaced repetition
Enjoy remembering 1 book out of each 50 you read, pleb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:01:20 2020 No.15151766 >>15151747 theres only few profound books that can change your life , rest is shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:03:48 2020 No.15151796 >>15151747 >Doesn’t just remember everything noteworthy naturally

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:05:20 2020 No.15151806 >>15151747 Honestly if you have to take notes to remember what you read you have a problem. Understanding concepts and creating relations between them works infinitely better than 37 pages of dry notes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:07:29 2020 No.15151827 >>15151796 >>15151806 Plebs who are in denial of their limitations, what bright future you have ahead of you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:07:34 2020 No.15151830 >>15151806 Yes. OP is a brainlet

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:09:33 2020 No.15151852 >>15151806 Based

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:11:32 2020 No.15151868 >>15151747 You assume /lit/ is interested in quality over quantity. Rookie mistake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:11:39 2020 No.15151872 >>15151766 >profound books Name one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:14:25 2020 No.15151904 File: 110 KB, 1269x668, Bloom's Taxonomy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15151806 >remember what you read what level are you referring to by this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:14:28 2020 No.15151906 >>15151872 Rupi Kaur's poems

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:23:14 2020 No.15151979

>>15151806
>understanding concepts
Sure, and then you read a lot of, say, Marx and Lenin and other socialist thinkers, but when someone actually puts you on the spot and asks you to make a coherent defense of your political philosophy, what comes up?

>w-well... the b-bourgeoisie steals from the workers, and that's bad, right? h-heh
Or something shallow and simplistic like that, because you forgot the details of the picture and were left with generalities that are on the level of platitudes.

It's worthless. Everybody can 'get' a concept, but if you don't remember the pieces that construct the argument you'll never really understand it. To *learn* something you need to have it fresh in your mind consistently, testing new information against it and playing with its concepts, applying some of its observations on new places, and so on. Our brain needs the information to be digested and internalized through time and repetition, only then it assimilates it. Without some system to force you to revisit old stuff from time to time, you'll only be able to reproduce things mechanically, not fully understand them.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:31:46 2020 No.15152037

>>15151904
I think it's possible to achieve all levels without notes.

Read the book and rethink about the concepts you learned applied to the context you are living in. See if they work. Identify why they do so or don't. Re-imagine new realities in which those ideas would make more sense and analyze why.

Just mature your ideas. This is what many philosophers did in their walks.
>>15151979
If you do what I said above you will be able to say more than you believe. If only because is directly entangled with your own ideas, it naturally becomes part of them, even if you are against the main arguments.

This is however what works for me. Taking notes is not bad or worse per se, but being dependant, in my opinon, is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:42:30 2020 No.15152123 File: 46 KB, 480x360, krishna6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15151872 Ashtavakra gita

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:53:47 2020 No.15152638 >>15151747 Actually good advice anon, I keep meaning to take up this habit & don't. I agree that I'm a pleb and swear I'll do better.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:06:42 2020 No.15152727

What's your system, /lit/? I read through a chapter while underlining and taking marginal notes and questions, then do it a second time trying to answer questions I had and rewrite notes that aren't useful. I tried writing down notes in a notebook but it became paraphrasing the author and didn't seem to help a lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:09:53 2020 No.15152748 >>15151766 >>15151796 >>15151806 >>15151830 >>15151852 Read "How to Read a Book", plebs

>>	~[[[-_-]]]~ Mon Apr 20 20:11:56 2020 No.15152760 >>15151747 If you forget it so easily it not worth remembering

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:12:35 2020 No.15152765
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>>15151747
>not having a god tier memory
Things only lose clarity after 11 years and even then, I can recall narratives pretty well. Being a brainlet, I doubt you could understand

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:30:52 2020 No.15152894 i just jot down important characters and how they are related to MC(s) and fold the bottom corner of pages i like

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:57:02 2020 No.15153409

I keep notes. I've been reading short stories and I wrote out notes after I finish reading it. Recently I started reading The Shadow out of Time. I'm writing notes after each chapter.
I'm having a difficult time absorbing it all. I accidentally read a paragraph twice and didn't notice until the end.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:59:02 2020 No.15153419 I'm never gonna make it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 22:04:09 2020 No.15153457 >>15151979 that has nothing to do with notes

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 22:27:04 2020 No.15153560 >>15151872 Blumenberg - Work on Myth

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 23:23:39 2020 No.15153821 >>15151747 I remember books distinct details about books I read in the 7th grade. Sorry you're a halfwit with short term memory loss

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 23:35:37 2020 No.15153866 File: 28 KB, 483x436, 1587178200266.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15151747 The armpits kind of drive the plot in most books So I just draw armpits from what I'm reading As best I can I hope one day I can be great

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 23:39:29 2020 No.15153875 Those who take notes. >What kind of details do you write down? How do you decide what should be written down? >How do your organize/keep your notes? Is there a particular manner you arrange them? >What do you do with these notes?

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 00:40:56 2020 No.15154161

I take notes during nonfiction as I'll only absorb 10% of it otherwise, but if it's fiction then I'd rather just immerse myself and make the occasional mark in the margin. I try to keep my notes as key and to the point as possible, the time I spend taking notes is time I can't spend reading other works.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 00:45:15 2020 No.15154178

>>15153875
>>What kind of details do you write down? How do you decide what should be written down?
chapter titles with the key themes and events listed in bullet points
>How do your organize/keep your notes? Is there a particular manner you arrange them?
Chapter headings, sub headings, each with bullet points and summaries
>What do you do with these notes?
Typically, I don't look back to them for a long time after reading the book. They're mostly for retention as I read, after maybe a year, or so I'll go back and read it like it's all new.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 00:46:33 2020 No.15154181 >>15153875 and I use evernote, I find it's so much easier to organize and go back to than physical

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 00:47:08 2020 No.15154184

>>15151747

I find editing wiki following a read (where such edits are warranted) is great. You have to distill and rephrase what you read in such-and-such a way, within certain constraints. Then I keep the personal notes and computer files for myself with the more colorful observations that only I understand. As expected, this does massively improve retention of ideas. One book that /lit/ sometimes discusses had a very shitty article when I got started, and I made myself the task of overhauling it. Now I know the thing fairly well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 00:49:07 2020 No.15154190 >>15154184 what article was it? This sounds like a pretty unique way to keep notes anon, I might try this.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 00:51:31 2020 No.15154202

>>15154178
When does something not merit being written down?
>Chapter headings, sub headings, each with bullet points and summaries
I meant how do you organize notes from different books? How do you make it accessible and memorable?
>>15154181
What do you tend to write in your notes? How do you organize them for later review?

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 00:55:04 2020 No.15154209

>>15154190

I decline to say because I have a policy of plausible deniability between here and there. Your only hint is that it's an edgy book that /lit/ occasionally discusses. I appreciate your interest in my working method however, I've found it great for personal retention of info, which is the real point.

For a few years now I've made a point of reading books which take my interest, and if I like them enough and if the existing article sucks enough, I'll take notes with a view toward improving the given article. Some books only warrant a paragraph or two on the author's page (they're not notable books just by themselves), other books warrant an overhaul of the entire article. I keep a backlog of old notes and related edits once I finish with a given thing, the generation of writing about reading is massively helpful too of course.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 00:58:09 2020 No.15154220

>>15154190

I would also like to add that wikipedia is not an end-all be-all, it's a pretty strict project idea which shoots down certain more expansive or expressive prose, and by design and with justification. The idea is to punch up a summary which may be of use to others as a cognitive way of better understanding the given work yourself (the fastest way to learn something is to teach it to others). I am currently prepping a large self-edit on a mathematical topic I did some years ago with cringey prose but I have to go through the process again and read/re-read related books, which will take months once I really decide to get going on it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 00:58:42 2020 No.15154221

>>15154202
>I meant how do you organize notes from different books? How do you make it accessible and memorable?
Evernote files for each book, and I only write down what's worth remembering, I prefer ideas to "factoids", or stats. These files don't typically amount to more than 6 pages, so they're pretty painless to reread. The more you read on a subject the fewer notes you have to take as it all becomes connected like a root system. You're consolidating concepts, not just scribing events like a ledger, I'll typically have a heading and then return to it with more info as the book presents it, so it's not haphazard.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 01:02:57 2020 No.15154234

>>15154221
>You're consolidating concepts, not just scribing events like a ledger, I'll typically have a heading and then return to it with more info as the book presents it, so it's not haphazard.
Thanks for the response, that helps clear it up a lot.
It's a organized process where you iteratively fill in the headings

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 01:30:59 2020 No.15154321 >>15152748 nou

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 01:31:07 2020 No.15154322 I'm so fucking horny

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:05:09 2020 No.15154636 >>15154322 Same

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:07:21 2020 No.15154646 File: 2.74 MB, 2448x2085, notes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15153875 These are my notes. I write them chapter by chapter. I do it because I'm talking about the story with a friend and it keeps my talking point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:09:26 2020 No.15154655 >>15154646 Do you type these up or 'clean them up' at any point? or is the simple exercise of writing them out and talking with your friend enough?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:09:44 2020 No.15154658 >he doesn't steep himself in great works by recitation and sincere empathy note taking is a cope for hylics who can only imitate understanding by rote

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:11:47 2020 No.15154664 >>15154646 how did your handwriting end up like this

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:14:26 2020 No.15154670 >>15154658 "understanding" is a term reductionists use in place of notetaking while retaining one page out of every fifty. Anyone can understand a subject by skimming a book, to be truly knowledgeable takes more work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:15:23 2020 No.15154675 >>15154670 ok dog, enjoy your tower of Babel

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:16:47 2020 No.15154680 >>15154655 I don't do anything extra. These notes help job my memory. >>15154664 I don't know. Many teachers have tried and failed to help me improve it. After so many years it doesn't bother me anymore.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:22:39 2020 No.15154698

>>15153875
It depends on how familiar I am with the topic. If I'm reading about something that is completely new to me, my first notes are basically a shorter version of the book, because if I can't make any associations I tend to just forget everything with time.

For the most part, I highlight shit and write on the margins and then read all of it when I'm done, then I type an outline of the book, copying/transcribing passages that I like or consider important. I try not to overdo it because usually I just need something to remind me of that part of the book and I'll automatically remember details and context. I use Scrivener so I can add keywords for topics, priority and shit like that, and I can separate them by folders, making a "pile" where I review the stuff on the top and then send it to the bottom. After I review something I usually cut stuff out, a lot of it starts feeling superfluous after some time.

I don't have a lot of discipline though, so there are notes that I just skip and forget about. There's stuff there that if I read today I probably wouldn't be able to understand any of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:25:40 2020 No.15154706 >>15154675 enjoy your pseud-understanding and inability to remember more than the odd line of poetry and hazy plot descriptions. Good luck getting any equal return from your time with nonfiction as well

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:34:31 2020 No.15154743

>>15154698
Man this is a great detailed response, thank you.
Is this fiction, non-fiction or both?
When you do an outline of the book is your intention accuracy, or are you trying to emphasize one aspect of it?
What do your separate folders look like, particularly how do you decide what goes where?

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:42:43 2020 No.15154774

>>15151979
Autistically writing notes is useless for that. Just stop every few pages and think about the underpinings of the argument you just read, and relate itntonearlier aeuments in the book. Every 10 pages or so stop again and do a mental summary of what you just read as if you jad to explain it to an average person who didn't read the book. Ideally a book should keep circulating in yourbmind fornyears after you've finished it.
What matters is renforcement and rumination, not scribbling.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:01:23 2020 No.15154848

I make notes on most books I read these days and wish I'd started doing it earlier. Sometimes I summarize the main arguments (for example, I reduced Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics to about 30 pages of Wittgenstein-esque numbered statements). More often, though, I just write out what I think are the most interesting lines/passages, sometimes with a short comment.

Here's some of my notes on Pascal's Pensées, for example:

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19. The last thing one settles in writing a book is what one should put in first.

- THIS IS COMMON IN COMPUTER SCIENCE
- COMPARE WITH LARKIN (USUALLY STARTING A POEM WITH THE LAST LINE)

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21. Nature has made all her truths independent of one another. [...]

- WHETHER OR IN WHAT WAY THIS IS TRUE IS A PROFOUND QUESTION

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23. Words differently arranged have a different meaning, and meanings differently arranged have different effects.

- WHAT COMES FIRST IS MOST IMPORTANT; MANY PEOPLE WILL READ ONLY THIS. WHAT COMES LAST IS NEXT MOST IMPORTANT; PEOPLE WHO READ THE WHOLE THING WILL LEAVE WITH IT IN THEIR MIND. IT WILL GENERALLY BE ASSUMED THAT THE MIDDLE IS JUST DATA USED IN PROVING WHAT IS SAID FIRST AND/OR LAST. BEECHAM SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT CONDUCTING AN ORCHESTRA.

---

25. Eloquence. — It requires the pleasant and the real; but the pleasant must itself be drawn from the true.

- THIS APPLIES TO ART MORE THAN ANYTHING

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:03:28 2020 No.15154855 >>15151747 >frogposter is a brainlet and midwit Woah

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:11:50 2020 No.15154895 Yes, but Socrates said that writing weakens the memory.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:37:36 2020 No.15155270 >>15151747 >50 books worth remembering let alone reading ha-ha very funny OP

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