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[Anonymous No.15141758]

How do I figure out which religion is true?

[Anonymous No.15141769]

>>15141758
>Religion
>True

Pick one faggot

[Anonymous No.15141787]

>>15141758
Christ died for your sins, come to him

[Anonymous No.15141793]

>>15141769
are you below 18? because that's usually the phase for athiesm

[Anonymous No.15141798]

>>15141758
The only thing true is you and your mind, the rest is not confirmed to be true

[Anonymous No.15141808]

The beauty of religion is that you can choose for yourself :) read some diverse religious texts and go with whichever resonates most with you :)

[Anonymous No.15141811]

>>15141793
Im 85 years old

[Anonymous No.15141814]

>>15141758
By drinking coffee, which is good for you

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15141816]

>>15141793
Popular myth with christians. No dear, he’s absolutely right. There’s no truths but errant thefts in religion.
“Do unto others...” and the like.

[Anonymous No.15141818]

You can't, sorry

[Anonymous No.15141824]

>>15141758
Read all the Sherlock Holmes books and aska Ouija board.

[Anonymous No.15141831]

>>15141808
ok but somebody else found their calling in some other religion. How do I know which person's calling is right? Because truth isn't multiple

[Anonymous No.15141833]

>>15141793
There’s no empirical support for the meme that atheism is a teenage phase

[Anonymous No.15141837]

>>15141831
Imagine you are born alone on this earth, no other humans exist, what is the truth? Use that brain and think about it.

[Anonymous No.15141840]

>>15141816
how do you know this?

[Anonymous No.15141854]

>>15141837
Nobody can conduct this thought experiment with any honesty

[Anonymous No.15141868]

>>15141854
Remove yourself from the equation, if you don't understand it, meditate some more.

[Anonymous No.15141878]

Cynical atheists don't comprehend the concept of faith, again. What a comedy.

[Anonymous No.15141889]

>>15141878
>if you disagree with something that means you don’t comprehend it
Ok retard

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15141898]

>>15141840
Reading and thinking for myself.

[Anonymous No.15141900]

>>15141758
Pray to all the known gods in the world then throw yourself off a cliff to see which one saves you.

[Anonymous No.15141901]

>>15141758
Find the most intelligent people and see what they believe.

[Anonymous No.15141907]

>>15141868
I utterly reject the notion that anyone can escape themselves, you included. No amount of meditation can change that

[Anonymous No.15141928]

>>15141898
Ghosts, UFOs, and mental telepathy are possible, though.

[Anonymous No.15141936]

>>15141898
people wiser than you have reached different conclusions

[Anonymous No.15141942]

You “true” religion is the one that “works”.

http://www.cutsinger.net/pdf/noble_lie.pdf

[Anonymous No.15141958]

>>15141889
If you declared the concept of "God" to be invalid, because there is no evidence for "him", then, yes, you wouldn't have comprehended the concept of "faith".

[Anonymous No.15141969]

>>15141898
How much do you know about parapsychology?

[Anonymous No.15141973]

>>15141898
>Sapolsky was born in Brooklyn, New York, to immigrants from the Soviet Union. His father, Thomas Sapolsky, was an architect who renovated the restaurants Lüchow's and Lundy's. Robert was raised an Orthodox Jew and spent his time reading about and imagining living with silverback gorillas

[Anonymous No.15141978]

>>15141898
>believing a Jew in academia
kek

[Anonymous No.15141980]

>>15141898
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sapolsky
>ctrl + f jew
Color me surprised.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15141982]

>>15141936
How do come by this assertion?

>>15141928
Unidentified objects have flown, and it’s highly likely that there’s life elsewhere in the universe, but the urban myth of alien UFOs most likely isn’t true.
The others are laughable. You have to be trolling.

[Anonymous No.15141990]

>>15141758

[Anonymous No.15141991]

>>15141824
baste aska weenie board poster

[Anonymous No.15141995]

>>15141980
Always with this shit

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15141997]

>>15141978
>believing
False.

[Anonymous No.15141999]

>>15141958
>dude if you don’t fully agree with my epistemological framework that means you don’t comprehend it lmao
Ok retard

[Anonymous No.15142001]

>>15141833
I tested it and found it was the case.

[Anonymous No.15142014]

>>15141982
Extrasensory perception is entirely possible. It hasn't been explored yet precisely because people have materialist attitudes like yours. I'm not saying it exists but it's possible and it deserves exploration.

[Anonymous No.15142025]

>>15141942
Different religion works for different people.

[Anonymous No.15142049]

It is revealed to you. For me, it was revealed through my life experiences that I must worship Odin, Loki and Baldr

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15142051]

>>15142014
It would have to be materialist in nature.
Go on. What could we do to attach a new way of sensing?

[Anonymous No.15142052]

>>15141997
Yes, you are believing what he says. The idea that because people hold certain beliefs you don't agree with then they aren't qualified for voting and holding positions in goverment and are automatically wrong in all their other beliefs, decisions, and actions. The idea that everyone should be a secular materialist just because everything else offends your delicate sensibility. This is textbook fascism.

[Anonymous No.15142064]

>>15142001
>source: me
Mega cringe

[Anonymous No.15142065]

>>15141999
"Faith" (Definition: The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition or statement for which there is not complete evidence; belief in general.) exists. If you argue in the context of "faith", then physical evidence becomes irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.15142070]

If you want to be religious just one that suits your aesthetic taste and heritage, all religion is a community larp

[Anonymous No.15142072]

>>15142051
Have you ever seen the movie "From beyond"?

[Anonymous No.15142087]

>>15142065
I don’t believe faith is an epistemically sound method of obtaining knowledge. That doesn’t mean I don’t understand it.

[Anonymous No.15142097]

>>15142051
“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”
― Nikola Tesla

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15142113]

>>15142052
>YOU CANT KNOW NOTHIN YOU CANT KNOW NOTHIN

>>15142072
No. I’ve only seen The Call of Cthulhu

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15142126]

>>15142097
Non-physical is just that which we think of.
Was he talking about electricity? I consider that physical

[Anonymous No.15142128]

>>15142113
>YOU CANT KNOW NOTHIN YOU CANT KNOW NOTHIN

[Anonymous No.15142131]

>>15141982
Are you saying you are wiser than Dostoyevsky?

[Anonymous No.15142141]

>>15142131
>ARE YOU LE SAYING YOU BE RIGHTER DAN MY FAVORITE IMBORDAND MAN????

[Anonymous No.15142147]

>>15142126
kek you're such a pleb. goodbye

[Anonymous No.15142172]

>>15142087
You don't "believe" this? As in you don't have faith in "faith"? Anyway, the faithful have an (empirical) advantage over the non-faithful. This is knowledge. The very reason, why societies are (religiously/ideologically) "faithful" is, because it is (empirically) advantageous. It, of course, is not evidence for the existence of "God". I think, you understand this. I don't know, why you felt addressed by this. >>15141878

[Anonymous No.15142178]

>>15142131
this is the hardest appeal to authority that I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.15142183]

>>15142178
you must be a newfag, then.

[Anonymous No.15142193]

>>15142051

[Anonymous No.15142196]

>>15142172
Faith and knowledge have nothing to do with eachother

[Anonymous No.15142201]

>>15142172
>Anyway, the faithful have an (empirical) advantage over the non-faithful.
“Faithful” countries are empirically poorer, less educated, less innovative and have lower HDI.

Anyways, the discussion was about epistemology, not sociology. You don’t even know what point you’re trying to make.

[Anonymous No.15142202]

>>15142178
>>15142141
avoided the question. If you don't believe in god, then you must be wiser than dostoyebsky right?

[Anonymous No.15142205]

They all are.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15142210]

>>15142193
No, I’m asking you/him to go on. Explain.

[Anonymous No.15142212]

>>15142202
Damn right I am, dumb faggot.

[Anonymous No.15142213]

>>15142202
Wisdom isn't just one set of beliefs or ideas

[Anonymous No.15142215]

>>15141833
Atheist is a retardation, and teenagers are often retarded

[Anonymous No.15142226]

>>15142113
Look into this movie:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--wAw7gBQxU

[Anonymous No.15142227]

>>15142113

is there a worse poster on this board?

[Anonymous No.15142228]

>>15142215
Atheists have higher IQ and education than believers

[Anonymous No.15142232]

>>15141758
religion isn't a matter of being truth or false. It's a way to find your spirituality.

[Anonymous No.15142234]

>>15141758
It's Orthodox Christianity

[Anonymous No.15142238]

>>15142097
science can't work with non-physical phenomena, the purpose of science itself is to work with tangible stuff.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15142239]

>>15142227
Yes. Hundreds. They hide in shame/mirth by not naming themselves.

[Anonymous No.15142246]

>>15142227
No. The ones who have even shittier opinions are usually ironic and always have the decency to veil their identity

[Anonymous No.15142247]

>>15141978
>>15141980
>hates Jews
>believes in Jewish religious texts

[Anonymous No.15142249]

>>15142239

If you'd like to think about responses in the context of identities and not ideas, and want to store and track all your posts, reddit may be a better fit for you

[Anonymous No.15142251]

>>15142232
But there can be only truth. So there is true and false in religions.

[Anonymous No.15142256]

>>15141833
Empiricism is for midwits, much like atheism and physicalism. Funny that you tend to find all three beliefs in the most mediocre people you come across.

[Anonymous No.15142261]

>>15142247
Never said I believed in Jewish texts.

[Anonymous No.15142262]

>>15142228
High IQ and being educated in memes isn't a good thing

[Anonymous No.15142267]

>>15141758
islam
chr*stians are weaklings

[Anonymous No.15142271]

>>15141758
Commit suicide.

[Anonymous No.15142274]

how to acquire blonde slav qt wife /lit/?

[Anonymous No.15142275]

>>15142262
>le midwit meme
Peak cringe

[Anonymous No.15142283]

>>15142267
cope

[Anonymous No.15142292]

>>15142256
Most professionals philosophers and leading scientists are atheists and physicalists. I guess they are “midwits” (nice meme word) because they don’t share the worldview of some random retard on 4chan

[Anonymous No.15142294]

>>15142274
be rich and manly

[Anonymous No.15142302]

>>15142292
Correct

[Anonymous No.15142305]

>>15142267
>Islam
unironically asking, how do you know?

[Anonymous No.15142309]

>>15141898
Since when being certain you've seen an aerial phenomena to which there is no conventional explanation or there exists a personalized absolute evil impaires one's capacity to judge the evidence of a crime, drive a car or choose the best political candidate for you?

[Anonymous No.15142311]

>>15142305
he doesn't, he's just memeing, nothing to see here

[Anonymous No.15142324]

>>15142292
If you want to play at this game I could ask you why you think these contemporary thinkers are any more correct than the great philosophers and scientists of the past who held opposing views (Leibniz, Kant, Heidegger, Hegel, Godel, Schrodinger, Planck, Plato etc...). Also I would love to hear which leading philosophers are physicalists lol

[Anonymous No.15142328]

>>15142283
sit down wh*te boy

[Anonymous No.15142342]

>>15142227
Nope.

[Anonymous No.15142343]

>>15141808
Wait, so religious people know that their end of times, afterlife, and karmic justice stories are just fantasy?

[Anonymous No.15142344]

>>15142324
Knowledge advances and accumulates through time. Nowadays we know heaps more about reality than during the time of Plato.

[Anonymous No.15142345]

>>15142305
I do

[Anonymous No.15142392]

>>15142344
Most of the top philosophers today do not identify as Physicalists. Also, I love how you ignore the plethora of 20th century thinkers I listed and hyper-focused on Plato to make your dumbass point. Was Democritus' proto-physicalism also wrong, since he lived thousands of years ago?

[Anonymous No.15142400]

>>15142261
You're not a christcuck?

[Anonymous No.15142429]

>>15142392
>Most of the top philosophers today do not identify as Physicalists.
Citation needed
Most living philosophers today are physicalists, this is beyond discussion.
https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl

[Anonymous No.15142433]

>>15142400
No

[Anonymous No.15142443]

>>15142429
>physicalism
not him but what's even the point of philosophy at this point? kek peak bugman shite

[Anonymous No.15142447]

>>15141808
>:)
Get out, syrup-brain.

[Anonymous No.15142455]

>>15141758
Ask all the gods in succession, see who starts fires nearby.

[Anonymous No.15142457]

>>15142443
Kys retard

[Anonymous No.15142480]

>>15142429
How does Platonist physicalism work?

[Anonymous No.15142482]

>>15142457
it's just theoretical science at this point, science at the end of the day. strictly for the bugs.

[Anonymous No.15142488]

You can’t. Just practice what you want and hope for the best.

[Anonymous No.15142513]

>>15142196
This is (obviously) false.

>>15142201
(*) This false, too. Both the successful AND unsuccessful societies (a country is defined to be a society, too) are "faithful", there are ideological narratives in all societies . Ideological concepts are defined to be concepts, that are not known, but believed, like the superiority of Communism (in the USSR), or Capitalism (in the US of 1945 to 1990), or Islam (in Iran), or Christianity (in the Papal State). As a consequence, societies without "faith"/ideological narrative do not and cannot exist.

I know, what point, I made. "Believing" neutralizes the (epistemological) relevance of the "belief"'s subject, like the validity of "God", or of "Capitalism"/"Communism". "Faith" is diametrical to "knowledge". An atheist, demanding evidence for "God", in order to know his existence, has not comprehended the concept of "faith". I introduced this (*), to illustrate the (epistemological) valid societal effect of it.

[Anonymous No.15142514]

>it's just theoretical science at this point, science at the end of the day. strictly for the bugs.

[Anonymous No.15142523]

>>15142247
I neither hate Jews, nor am I a Christian.

[Anonymous No.15142546]

>>15142429
Nothing in this survey backs your claim dipshit. This is not a survey taken exclusively among top philosophers. Its a fucking massive survey that includes the most mediocre academics, and on top this its a fucking Anglosphere philosophy survey (the people who lean most towards Physicalism). Not to mention that even with all of this only 56% actually voted for Physicalism. Stop appealing to some invisible authority that legitimizes your moronic viewpoints.

[Anonymous No.15142549]

>>15142513
>This false, too.
Based retard

[Anonymous No.15142551]

>>15142514
cope

[Anonymous No.15142558]

>>15142546
Define "top" philosopher and provide a single shred of evidence most of them aren't physicalists

[Anonymous No.15142564]

>>15141907
Proof?

[Anonymous No.15142577]

>>15142558
It was YOUR dumbass who claimed that most top philosophers were physicalists. Why don't you provide the evidence asshat?

[Anonymous No.15142585]

>cope

[Anonymous No.15142589]

>>15142577
No, you fucking retard. I claimed most professional philosophers are physicalists, read the reply chain again.

[Anonymous No.15142618]

>>15142585

[Anonymous No.15142625]

>>15142513
>This is (obviously) false
Enlighten me, instead of just asserting that you're right

[Anonymous No.15142629]

>>15142589
>professional philosophers

[Anonymous No.15142632]

>>15142344
>Nowadays we know heaps more about reality than during the time of Plato.
Don't tell him guys

[Anonymous No.15142657]

>>15142629
Based retard

[Anonymous No.15142667]

>>15142625
Fine. "Faith" (Definition: The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition or statement for which there is not complete evidence; belief in general.) is KNOWN to exist. Do you agree?

[Anonymous No.15142675]

>

[Anonymous No.15142760]

>>15142657
>>15142589
moron

[Anonymous No.15142768]

>>15142760
Cuckold

[Anonymous No.15143015]

>>15141758
You don't figure out religion, either u believe in yhwh, allah, santa or w/e, or you dont.

[Anonymous No.15143029]

>>15141758
if pic related, clearly mormonism

[Anonymous No.15143042]

>>15141758
Kill yourself and you'll find out

[Anonymous No.15143047]

>>15141758
>>15143015
This, figure out implies logic, you don't apply logic to religion. Unless u mean figure out in if u should take LSD, to weed or magic mushrooms.

[Anonymous No.15143054]

>>15141758
Meditation

Ignore all other posts

[Anonymous No.15143074]

>>15141898
>ghosts
>mental telepathy
>ufo’s
all of those things are real and empirically verifiable. the christian god isn’t though

[Anonymous No.15143097]

>>15141769
>muh ‘truth’

[Anonymous No.15143104]

>>15142025
Yes. That’s the point.

[Anonymous No.15143289]

>>15143054
Any beginners guides that you would recommend?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15143323]

>>15143074
Telepathically convince me.

[Anonymous No.15143359]

>>15143323
It’s not a skill that i have, why don’t you just read some books that cover the research that’s been done on it? look into remote viewing, as an example

[Anonymous No.15143425]

>>15141758
How do I get a gf like that. Serious answers only, please.

[Anonymous No.15143505]

>>15142051
how would you explain the redness of red?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15143533]

>>15143359
Hehhehe. Done.

>>15143505
A colour on the spectrum

[Anonymous No.15143554]

>>15141758
I would start with reading some important book that recontextualises many religious elements such as Finnegans Wake by James Joyce, looking at the Irish folk heroes with a Abrahamic lens.

[Anonymous No.15143569]

>>15143533
Try some other books too like edgar cayce

[Anonymous No.15143579]

>>15143554
Fuck off, you're just bandwagoning and you're not part of the discord

[Anonymous No.15143597]

>>15143323
Look into this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBl0cwyn5GY

[Anonymous No.15143609]

>>15143597
are all those ted talks labeled as “BANNED” on youtube actually banned or is that just clickbait?

[Anonymous No.15143640]

>>15143579
The thing that makes me wonder about a Joyce discord is how long it would take before discussion would inevitably turn to the injustice of his bones being buried by happenstance in Switzerland. I'm sure the Swiss want rid of them.

[Anonymous No.15143655]

>>15143533
the qualitative aspect of red not the process

[Anonymous No.15143677]

>>15143609
In this case it's true, it was banned by TED.

[Anonymous No.15143686]

>>15143677
why did they even host it if they’re just going to ban it

[Anonymous No.15143688]

>>15142328
Imagine not even being able to beat up Spaniards

[Anonymous No.15143697]

>>15143609
It looks about legit as a guy doing a talk in his local community centre.

[Anonymous No.15143713]

>>15143688
They did when they originally conquered the peninsula. The Reconquista only worked because at that point Arab genes had already been bred into the population, thus giving Spaniards the necessary vigor to fight off their invaders. The Reconquista was a war between two factions of Arabo-Mediterranean halfbreeds

[Anonymous No.15143727]

>>15143713
>The Reconquista only worked because at that point Arab genes had already been bred into the population, thus giving Spaniards the necessary vigor to fight off their invaders.
kek that's a major cope. Arabs never went beyond southern Spain.

[Anonymous No.15143758]

>>15141898
Of course we are. Reason is just one mental tool, not a way of life.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15143869]

>>15143597
Interesting.
I’ve had dreams with premonitions, and plenty of spells of deja vu.

>>15143655
Wouldn’t that require knowing your eyes abilities?

[Anonymous No.15143905]

>>15143869
how can you imagine a color, or even attribute it to something that doesn't even contain that color in reality

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15143931]

>>15143905
Colour is is just visible wavelengths. I can’t see the ultraviolet or infrared, but I know they exist. What are you trying to get at?

[Anonymous No.15143986]

>>15143931
Wrong. Color is immaterial. Two different wavelengths can produce the same output, it relies on the combinations that produce it. But in the end it relies solely on our perception.

[Anonymous No.15144016]

>>15141758
You try their spiritual practices and balance it with their Revelation - such as the claims in Bible for Christians. See what it ends up - is it consistent?

But for Christianity - without accepting Jesus as the unique Son of God - you cannot practice anything, so there's that.

[Anonymous No.15144054]

>>15141793
>The new epic "i'm religious" maymay
So much cringe

[Anonymous No.15144090]

>>15141898
Hyperbased
This man helped me understand how dogs are effectively man made symbiotes and by extension how all interaction between people is symbiotic; mass manipulation, permitting everything conceivable, dogs just act without reflection
Was always on the fence about you butterbee, but you're alright :)

[Anonymous No.15144106]

>>15143931
>she doesn't know about qualia
come on butters, that's basic stuff. saying "muh wavelengths" doesn't make the qualia problem disappear

[Anonymous No.15144166]

>>15141758
Do your homework, and if it takes a lifetime of experience and study to find out, then so be it.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15144196]

>>15143986
>it relies solely on our perception.
Well that's why I brought up our eyes ability.
Still not sure what this is about.

>>15144090
There a youtube on that?
Glad to hear I'm alright. You too.

>>15144106
Ah. Old philosophical term. I'm not an actual student of the stuff. Can you explain?

[Anonymous No.15144207]

>>15144196
>Can you explain?
The subjective experience of quality cannot be reduced to quantitative measurements about those qualities. Those are two distinct things.

[Anonymous No.15144217]

>>15144196
I love you, please marry me :3

[Anonymous No.15144250]

>>15144217
Patrice O'neal once said that vaginas are amazing. Just the capacity for a homely-looking lesbionic autist to have an entire board circling her posts either in bitternes or trance, is a marvel to behold.

[Anonymous No.15144271]

phenomena like esp and telepathy makes sense when you finally take the time to abandon atomism. you can project 'your' will outside of your body, into the ether

[Anonymous No.15144285]

>>15144271
most likely project our interiority all the time whether we intend to or not. empathy is literally a paranormal phenomena. anyone on this board who knows what empahy really is from experience can see that. most of the autists on this board don't know what empathy actually is apart from some abstract concept of it they have in their head.

[Anonymous No.15144287]

>>15144196
i was trying to infer that there is a certain sense of subjectivity that comes into play. As >>15144207
mentioned, the qualitative cannot be reduced to the quantitative, therefore not being bound to any sort of form of matter

[Anonymous No.15144311]

>>15144196
i was trying to infer that there is a certain sense of subjectivity that comes into play. As >>15144207
mentioned, the qualitative cannot be reduced to the quantitative, therefore not being bound to any sort of form of matter. Theres no way to extract/identify color in itself from another person.

[Anonymous No.15144331]

>>15144196
Best I can do is say it's withing the first half of this 30 h playlist .. maybe the first Q. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL150326949691B199
The other insane takeaway from him (not his discovery)is that genes trigger in people by proximity if one with a dormant gene is around another with the same gene expressing itself, in my dumb mind it seems like a fact which could change society were it more commonly known

[Anonymous No.15144424]

>>15141758
Rationalize in your head whether it makes sense to you that God(s) exist. If you decide it does, keep rationalizing various aspects of different religions to see which one you believe in the most. Once you've narrowed it down to a few, compare and contrast their theologies to see which one you think is the best.

I ended up with Catholicism following these steps

[Anonymous No.15144447]

>>15144250
>he doesn't know the story between the moth and the :3 guy

[Anonymous No.15144457]

>>15141811
Well that explains everything lmao

[Anonymous No.15144459]

>>15144447
now that you mention it, i have seen :3 respond to her before, whats the salsa friend?

[Anonymous No.15144462]

>>15142267
Reminder that Islam derives some of its sources from Gnostic texts

[Anonymous No.15144515]

>>15144462
and that's a good thing!

[Anonymous No.15144526]

>>15144462
Source? Interesting.

[Anonymous No.15144533]

>>15144526
some of the events of jesus life mentioned in the quran come from gnostic texts, like jesus speaking as a baby and him breathing life into clay and turning it into a bird

[Anonymous No.15144562]

>>15144533
>>15144526
yes, the gospel of thomas and the gospel of judas. You also have the Manicheans and the mandeans who were around at that time

[Anonymous No.15144586]

>>15144533
Muslims think that Jesus turned a bird into clay?

[Anonymous No.15144589]

>>15144586
other way around lol

[Anonymous No.15144595]

>>15144544

[Anonymous No.15144598]

>>15142275
Spoken like a true midwit.

[Anonymous No.15144599]

>>15144589
Jesus thinks Muslims turned a bird into clay?

[Anonymous No.15144632]

>>15142768
>The absolute state.

[Anonymous No.15144656]

>>15144599
Muslims think Jesus turned clay into a bird

[Anonymous No.15145760]

bump

[Anonymous No.15145788]

>>15141758
read MahaPrajnaParamita-Sastra by Nagarjuna or anything by Buddha

[Anonymous No.15145807]

>>15143727
Based retard, you're coping so hard. They went all the way into southern France and controlled 95% of Spain for 100s of years.

[Anonymous No.15145857]

>>15141758
you need to die and check what religion has me the most accurate afterlife.

[Anonymous No.15145874]

>>15144656
the bird turned muslims into jesus by coating them in magic clay

[Anonymous No.15145910]

>>15145874
Impossible, magic doesn’t exist retard, the technical term is Miracle.

[Anonymous No.15145931]

>>15141973
Uh ohh

[Anonymous No.15145940]

>>15145910
sorry, Miracle Clay™

[Anonymous No.15145955]

>>15141793
Belief in the Divine =/= Religious
Take a page from Socrates' book and figure it out for yourself.

[Anonymous No.15145965]

>>15141898
The quest for pure rationality is, in itself, irrational.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15145999]

>>15145965
>The tea will never stay the same perfect temperature, therefore never have tea.

[Anonymous No.15146045]

>>15142589
None of the great philosophers I've read have been physicalists. Not even Tesla, the greatest scientist, was a physicalist.
What are you smoking?
>>15145999
Decent point, however, while intelligence does lie in the conscious, rational side of things, genius lies in the irrational. If you want to be an ebin smarty pants, embrace rationality alone, if you seek genius, look to the irrational and the divine.
There's a reason most geniuses claim to be divinely inspired; because their insights came from a place they, themselves, aren't aware of and can't rationalize.
The conscious, rational mind is merely a tool to make sense of the irrational. A mind without a soul is like a computer with no user; there is no input.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.15146101]

>>15146045

[Anonymous No.15146128]

>>15146045
>Tesla, the greatest scientist

[Anonymous No.15146129]

>>15146045
>Tesla, the greatest scientist

[Anonymous No.15146149]

>>15145940
Thank you. Allahs strength be upon you.

[Anonymous No.15146155]

>>15146045
Source?

[Anonymous No.15146161]

>>15142447
sorry I can't help it :) i'm religious

[Anonymous No.15146166]

>>15146101
What's your point?
>>15146128
Truly ebin memery my dood. You sure showed me.
>>15146155
Be more specific

[Anonymous No.15146184]

>>15146166
Sorry I meant
>most geniuses claim to be divinely inspired

[Anonymous No.15146223]

>>15146184
Beethoven, Mozart, Da Vinci, Tesla, Michelangelo, Raphael, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Kant, Descartes, Laozi, Buddha, etc.
Shit loads.

[Anonymous No.15146262]

Daily reminder it has been empirically proven religiosity stifles scientific innovation.

https://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Religion%20December%201g_snd.pdf
http://www.nber.org/papers/w21052.pdf

Daily reminder the overwhelming majority of leading scientists are atheists

https://www.nature.com/articles/28478
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33

Daily reminder most philosophers are atheists

https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl

Daily reminder religious people are less intelligent according to dozens of studies.

http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Relation_Between_Intelligence_and_Religiosity__A_Meta-Analysis_and_Some_Proposed_Explanations.pdf

Daily reminder religious people are less educated

https://www.economist.com/news/international/21623712-how-education-makes-people-less-religiousand-less-superstitious-too-falling-away

Religious people are literally a lesser breed of human

[Anonymous No.15146265]

>>15146223
that’s not most of them though

[Anonymous No.15146309]

>>15146262
Daily reminder that empiricism is a contextually applicable method of knowledge. As a truelly euphoric science believer like you should know statistics can be interpreted any which way. Is religion a cooralative factor? I’d probably say so. what does your statistics say about college educated religious people? What does it say about the demography that reads the God Delussion vs the demography that reads Crime and punishment?

Anyways, how’s it feel to only be smart enough to copy past the same comment?

[Anonymous No.15146359]

>>15146265
I can't think of a single genius who doesn't understand the wisdom of the irrational.
Even Nietzsche knew the value of the irrational.
The unconscious mind, the divine, god, whatever you want to call it; that is where ideas are born. The rational mind just computes. It's the lamest part of our brains. I don't understand all the rationality worship that goes on in the world right now.

[Anonymous No.15146508]

>>15146128
>>15146129
Kek
Great minds think alike

[Anonymous No.15146515]

>>15146508
>lowest form of disagreement
>great mind
oh boy

[Anonymous No.15146567]

>>15141793
>muh teenage atheists
i guess the hat meme didn't suddenly make everyone believe in god again huh

[Anonymous No.15146607]

>>15146359
fucks sake deepak chopra just fuck off

[Anonymous No.15146619]

>>15146607
Maybe /b/ is more your speed

[Anonymous No.15146644]

>>15141758
You're already in the wrong way if you're asking this question. Shut up for now and go read theology. Things will work out by themselves and you'll understand what I'm saying.

[Anonymous No.15146665]

>>15141898
>50% of americans believe in the devil and a belief that the devil influences daily activities
On their defence, they don't necessarily believe in a mean, red guy with a pointy tail that follows people around and makes bad things happen. They might believe in the Devil as an idea, rather than the classic cartoonish bad guy.

[Anonymous No.15146969]

>>15146665
My Grandma thinks he's Barack Obama.

[Anonymous No.15147152]

>>15141898
JEW!!!

[Anonymous No.15147192]

No religion is true (not yet anyway), because truth is an eternal pursuit.

Each religion is a river that flows towards the same ocean.

[Anonymous No.15147208]

>>15141831
You only have yourself to trust when it comes to experiencing God.

[Anonymous No.15147235]

>>15141793
Jesus himself would've yeeted tables upon your pharisee ass

[Anonymous No.15147249]

>>15144090
By diluting the meaning of the word symbiote you're also diluting the reasoning why being a symbiote is a negative thing.

[Anonymous No.15147282]

>>15142267
>Islam
>unga bunga me break stuff that means me right

[Anonymous No.15147667]

>>15147282
Based Islam. Salami lackem.

[Anonymous No.15147783]

>>15141758
More of the Goddess pls

[Anonymous No.15148011]

>>15141758
Use your reason.
Something a particular holy book recommends.

[Anonymous No.15148036]

>>15144424
>he thinks a cult which protects child rapists is the most logical choice
Get a load of this absolute retard.

[Anonymous No.15148045]

>>15142232
Spirituality is only about finding the truth. Are you afraid to have people challenge your worldview, so that's why you say being right or wrong doesn't matter ?

[Anonymous No.15148072]

>>15141898
>I define irrationality as stuff that I, a Jewish bugman academic, don't believe in.

[Anonymous No.15148424]

See whether the patterns manifests itself on the multiple levels of reality, micro/macro/meso

[Anonymous No.15148433]

>>15143640
Joyce isn't buried on Irish soil?? What a travesty! We must right this terrible wrong whatever the cost!

[Anonymous No.15148446]

>>15141758
Imagine trying to "figure out" which religion "is true". Baby brain

[Anonymous No.15148490]

>>15148446
Imagine not trying. Lazy and unimaginative.

[Anonymous No.15148531]

>>15141758
Read religious philosophy, as well as their arguments for why they're right. Try what feels true to you.
Reality isn't subjective, but different religions do have different bits of insight. They also have different problems. That's the part that is subjective - choosing which one offers you something valuable in practice or belief, and which one's flaws aren't too much of an issue for you.
For example, I don't believe in a willful dictator god in the sky. But I do believe in interconnectedness/oneness. I've found meditation useful for mental clarity. I believe in simplicity to achieve one's goals. I don't believe in a conscious afterlife.
There are a few different religions that work with that. Everything I described works with secular humanism, and that has no real drawbacks. At the same time, secular humanism also offers no real value - no philosophy, an aversion to religious philosophy. No real point in getting involved.
Taoism has great philosophies about being sensitive to changing circumstances, not getting attached since everything is always in flux. Taking advantage of the moment. The issue is, actual Taoist practice involves all sorts of silly mystical practices that have no value. There's alchemy, archaic ideas about energy in the day, just a bunch of nonsense. And I'm not Chinese, so dressing up in ornate Chinese robes isn't appealing.
The whole pan(en)theist perspective lends itself to Sikhism and Sufism. But even those are bogged down in cultural practices that I have no connection with, as well as mysticism I don't believe in and won't pretend to.
Zen's meditation practices have been the most useful thing I've found in any religion, and I basically believe in the zen interpretation of Buddhist philosophy. That said, I don't believe in reincarnation, and I don't really care about enlightenment. The Buddhist tradition can also be very regimented and authoritarian, and it does have a somewhat violent history. There are also rituals I don't find value in.
Quakerism has a history I admire. They were abolitionists, anti-war activists, fought for religious freedom. You don't have to be a literal theist to be a Quaker. When people gather as a community, the community comes first. There's nothing in Quakerism I object to, and because of my own English heritage, there's a nice connection to it historically.
But I'm not a Quaker, I practice zen. Because as much as I admire Quakers and find nothing objectionable about them, they don't offer anything as valuable as zazen. So I chose Zen Buddhism.

[Anonymous No.15148547]

>>15148446
this is literally, actually cope

[Anonymous No.15148562]

>>15146359
>I can't think of a single genius who doesn't understand the wisdom of the irrational
Von Neumann, Hilbert, Heisenberg, Dirac, etc.