Books on white guilt.

[Anonymous No.15133479]

What caused white guilt?
There's no reason to ever apologize for owning slaves, racism and colonialism.
Because it's not in a white person's self interest to do so, is it? Acknowledging and apologising would just put you in the wrong and that's not good for your financial wellbeing and it's not good for the well being of white countries.

[Anonymous No.15133753]

People wanting you to recognize that the actions of your ancestors effect the structure of society today isn't the same thing as people wanting you to take personal responsibility and to apologize for everything bad. Anyone who just apologizes for slavery and colonialism and whatever doesn't actually give a shit about contemporary racism and is desperate for brownie points.

[Anonymous No.15133791]

Can you all take your thinly disguised /pol/ and religious bs and fuck off?

[Anonymous No.15133802]

fpbp

[Anonymous No.15133849]

>>15133479
White guilt is just an inverted form of the white man's burden; IE, rather than feeling the strain of having to "civilise the savages", so to speak, you feel like you have to prostrate yourself in a way that completely denies the other's agency. It is a gross act of sentimentalisation that makes a mockery of their independence from us. The reason why both white man's burden and white guilt are both still constellated within a racist paradigm is because they cannot conceive of the other without a relation to themselves; either it is the white people's fault for not civilising them, or the white people cannot address the other without constantly making themselves and their apologies the centre of attention.

To be truly free of racism is to denounce racist behaviour (both physical and verbal), but not to disrespect the other with our petty sentimentalisations, nor by implying that we have some responsibility owed to them. By granting them independence from us, and respecting those differences, that debt is already being repaid.

[Anonymous No.15133886]

>>15133753
>affect

[Anonymous No.15134846]

>>15133849
Was the white man's burden real or did people just like invading and conquering?

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[Anonymous No.15134897]

>>15134846
Post-colonialism is entirely the result of the white man's burden. They wouldn't have created their own institutions in foreign countries intended to reproduce western ideology, and establish an intellectual and political class of natives who would reproduce it for them. The whole imperial project is about pulling the world in line with western sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.15134920]

>>15134846
they legitimately believed they had a mission to civilize and any literature from the era reflects that. king leopold II was considered a great humanitarian for his colonization in the Congo, similar to how western shitlibs are considered to be good people for throwing money at and interfering in brown people countries today

[Anonymous No.15135084]

>>15134858
Based and might pilled

[Q No.15135240]

>>15133753
But why doe? Our ancestors did what was in their own best interest and the interest of their people. If Rome hasn’t created civilization we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Hell even concepts such as guilt,redemption and freedom more often then not were taught from our ancestors and brought to those we dominated

[Anonymous No.15135280]

>>15135240
Based. Step over all of this anons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGy28J3Ql1Y

[Anonymous No.15136022]

>>15135240
without it you get pseudoscience like phrenology

[Anonymous No.15136113]

>>15133753
This is how it starts.

[Anonymous No.15136115]

>>15136022
>pseudoscience like phrenology
It's a legit science though.

[Anonymous No.15136125]

>>15133479
If you really thought that way, you wouldn't be here asking these questions.

[Anonymous No.15136142]

>>15133849
They don't want independence, they want us to surrender our nations to them (and will aggressively demonize whites who oppose this).

I honestly don't undersand how you can spew such simplified platitudes and then refer to 'petty sentimentalisations' without an inkling of self-awareness. We owe them no debt at all, as their lives in our nations are far better than they would've been otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15136147]

>>15133479
>What caused white guilt?
>There's no reason to ever apologize for owning slaves, racism and colonialism.
People like you. So thanks, retard.

[Anonymous No.15136152]

>>15136115
You're legit fucked in the head.

[Anonymous No.15136165]

>>15134897
Too bad it wasn't pushed harder, maybe then all these immigrants could've improved their own countries (and subsequently the world in general) instead coming to ours and causing brain-drain.

[Anonymous No.15136191]

>>15136147
>>15136152

[Anonymous No.15136208]

White guilt doesn't exist as a broad social phenomenon, I have never met a single person that feels guilty for slavery.

[Anonymous No.15136233]

>>15136142
>They don't want independence
Of course they do. Just look at a country like Botswana– untouched by imperialism because of its natural beauty, and is now one of the most independent and self-sustaining countries in Africa. If you're concerned about people fleeing other countries into ours, its likely because we created those messes that they are running from in the first place. You don't even want to know how badly the Belgians fucked up the Congo.

>they want us to surrender our nations to them
Oh yeah? They tell you this yourself? You accuse me of "simplified platitudes" yet you're still framing the discussion in terms of war. An external force intended to frighten the nation into a unified front against it. It's like your rhetoric is still stuck in Nazi Germany.

>We owe them no debt at all, as their lives in our nations are far better than they would've been otherwise.
It's a shame really, the old imperialists knew that importing minorities into our civilisation was incredibly important. Even if they did it out of a crude belief that they were "civilising" other nations, at least they were fully aware of the value in an integrated empire. Like I said, the debt is repaid simply by respecting their independence– if they want to be free citizens in our prosperous nations, they have as much right as any.

[Anonymous No.15136250]

>>15136165
Well, when western foreign policy is so intent on destabilising other countries under the pretence of "bringing democracy to the region", what do you expect? We make these places uninhabitable for them, and then throw a hissy fit when they don't want to live there anymore.

[Anonymous No.15136259]

>>15136191
>NOOOOO YOU CANT MAKE FUN OF MY SKULL SCIENCE

[Anonymous No.15136263]

>>15136208
You've never met a suburban cool wine mom?

[Anonymous No.15136272]

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/frantz-fanon-white-masochism

[Anonymous No.15136286]

>>15136152
Lol, science denier. I bet you can't even understand basic physiognomy teachings.

Even worse, you're probaly some materialist autist, yet when it comes to the material you just can't deal with some truths about it, like racial IQ and behavioral patterns.

[Anonymous No.15136319]

>>15136263
It just doesn't happen, even on twitter where you can find the most inane ideologues I have never seen someone apologizing for slavery or whatever. It certainly isn't a broad social phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.15136342]

>>15136286
>race realism
>anime avatar
>believes in spiritualism
Fuck me, is every one of these people a walking stereotype

[Anonymous No.15136355]

>>15136286
not him, but physiognomy is not phrenology. Also w/r/t racial IQ, look into the Pygmalion effect, and see below:

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-people-keep-misunderstanding-connection-between-race-iq

[Anonymous No.15136370]

>>15136165
Yeah man, why can't every country on earth be just like the United States?

[Anonymous No.15136390]

>>15136208
You've got the wrong idea. White guilt is not a personal shame that one feels for something done by people who've been dead for hundreds of years longer than they were alive. It's a general sense of distaste for white people. It's the unspoken cultural belief that you aren't allowed to say positive things about white people, you aren't allowed to feel pride in or seek out distinctly white things, and that any attempt to "diversify" your life a step away is automatically a step up from being plainly European. It's a subtle little line of code that's been slipped into our culture over the past 60 years or so that white=bad because whiteness is defined by privilege and oppression. Microaggressions? That's a concept that dripped out of liberal thought because this is how liberal thought operates. It's projection. They can't come out and say white people are awful without contradicting their ideals, so instead they use words and subtitles, tinkering away at setting taboos until they get what they want. They can't ask you to take a right onto Hate White People Ave, so instead they ask for three totally innocent lefts that are ultimately are just roundabout means to the same end.

[Anonymous No.15136397]

>>15136355
>but physiognomy is not phrenology
Never said it was, I said he was dumb enough that he couldn't even grasp such a simple thing, let alone phrenology which is more advanced.
>>15136342
We don't have avatars on imageboards, anon. Again, why not just take materialism all the way if you're going to go that path? Rejecting morality, understanding the world only through the material, etc. You'd have to accept scientific racialism and reject retarded notions of 'equality' stemming from liberalism, that racially we are not the same at all and so forth.

[Anonymous No.15136401]

>>15136147
>There's no reason to ever apologize for owning slaves, racism and colonialism.
Interesting, if those are good reasons to apologize then why Mongols are not apologizing for their ancestors actions?
Why Japanese do not feel shame for their past(which was quite imperialistic)?
Why Ottomans whose ancestors enslaved millions and murdered millions do not apologize for their ancestors actions? Why only whites should be the ones that apologize?

[Anonymous No.15136402]

>>15136233
>Botswana
Yeah and they're also fucking the country into the dirt (literally) via desertification. I wonder why they don't extened their enlightened sense of independence to the San people?

Even taking your point, how do you know they wouldn't be in a better position now with a legacy of European education & infrastructure?

Yes, anti-white pocs in the West routinely cheer the ongoing up-ending of ethnic demography here and the end of white hegemony in our own nations. They also frame it as a war, they call it 'war of the womb'. The ones that aren't vocal about it still generally vote as ethnic collectives and unequivocally support further mass non-white immigration. Oh, but of course I'm a Nazi for having the gall to defend -my- people's interests/existence instead of remaining blind to the obvious. Wake the fuck up.

The old imperialists had a vision of exporting our civlization to them, not literally importing foreign peoples en masse into the West. You're completely full of it. No, they don't have as much right as any; our ancestors did not sweat and bleed so that we could surrender their legacy to foreign peoples, you pathetic worm.

[Anonymous No.15136410]

>>15136397
>phrenology which is more advanced
got any scientific studies to back that claim up?

[Anonymous No.15136447]

>>15136250
I agree with this, and if you actually gave right-wing and/or wignat reactionaries a chance, you'd find that we are some of the most anti-war people around. We take a very dim view of geopolitical shenanigans and dying for israel. Also, I don't see how we're doing anything to make India/Pakistan/Mexico/China etc. uninhabitable.

My comment was referring to historical imperialism, which while brutal did leave many third-world countries better off (not all).

[Anonymous No.15136474]

>>15136370
Is every developed country just like the United States?

[Anonymous No.15136480]

>>15136402
>Yeah and they're also fucking the country into the dirt (literally) via desertification.
And America isn't? I mean, in terms of actual jobs being exported, the death of industry, agriculture, etc.. It's a figurative desertification, but no less devastating. Burgerland is gonna be a third-world country (in fact it arguably already is, in many states) even without coronavirus, and even without all of the immigrants.

>how do you know they wouldn't be in a better position now with a legacy of European education & infrastructure?
Like I said– look at the congo. Look at all of the countries that were utterly devastated by the gold rushe and "the race for africa". Look at south africa. These places are no better for our having interfered in them, primarily because we were only there for the resources, not development. That happened in the east, and look how well it turned out for them.

> the ongoing up-ending of ethnic demography here and the end of white hegemony in our own nations
sorry, but where are all these white people going? Are they all being thrown into a woodchipper? Shifting demographics is not a threat to the white race, no matter how much you like to stir up panic. "Hegemony" doesn't mean shit when America has literally never been a white country. Embrace your muttdom and be done with it.

>The old imperialists had a vision of exporting our civlization to them, not literally importing foreign peoples en masse into the West
They absolutely did, it was in no way a one-way street. What would be the point of civilising the savages if they could not also import many of the talents they were able to create? And even if they couldn't, there was still ample room for slaves.

>our ancestors did not sweat and bleed so that we could surrender their legacy
more war rhetoric, you really are predictable, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.15136491]

>>15136250
And then, when there are attempts to improve those places, it's lamented as colonialism, etc. etc.

You can't win.

[Anonymous No.15136497]

>>15136447
And what so many rightwing types overlook is the extent to which the effects of western imperialism are still reverberating around the globe to this very day. Current western foreign policy is part of it, though obviously a far cry from the actual empire. But I wonder– can you tell me all the third-world countries that were improved by imperialism?

[Anonymous No.15136509]

>>15136491
Yes, because our attempts to "improve" is just code for "westernise". We don't want them to be independent from us, we want them to reflect only the best parts of ourselves, because the west is nothing if not entirely narcissistic. This is why I was saying white guilt/white burden are ultimately rooted in the same problem, which is making ourselves the centre of attention in our relation to alterity, no matter how we frame it. We don't have the respect for them to treat them as something apart from ourselves, we have to find a way of meddling ourselves into it.

[Anonymous No.15136511]

>>15136480
>America has literally never been a white country
Pic related.
What about all the other white nations which are preferred destinations of unilateral mass immigration? Not American, btw.

[Anonymous No.15136535]

>>15136511
>2305
>Dude, white people never existed, they're just a myth and we dindu nuffin.

[Anonymous No.15136540]

>>15133479
>white guilt
excuse me but the Irish never did shit to anyone. you can fuck right the hell off.
>first we get genocided by the british
>then we get blamed for the crimes of the british

[Anonymous No.15136552]

>>15136540
According to the leftist faggots you should still feel guilt just because of your skin color. They think you are privileged.

[Anonymous No.15136559]

>>15136552
we gave you Joyce. The british gave you JK Rowling.

[Anonymous No.15136560]

>>15136540
It must suck being Irish, fighting off the British for so long only for your government to replace your people with negroids after finally winning your freedom. What was it all for if you're going to do to yourselves worse than the Brits ever did? They did many things to your people, but they never genocided you, which is what replacement immigration is all about.

[Anonymous No.15136574]

>>15136559
Based irish.

[Anonymous No.15136584]

>>15136511
You memebrains never cite a source beyond a jpg

[Anonymous No.15136591]

>>15136584
Lol, just about any demographical survey of America will do.

[Anonymous No.15136622]

>>15136497
Rather, I'd say that we think people like you overlook the extent to which negative effects are the result of abdicating from colonialism. It's a complex topic, so I'll refer you to this relatively short but well-informed academic article:
http://www.web.pdx.edu/~gilleyb/2_The%20case%20for%20colonialism_at2Oct2017.pdf

[Anonymous No.15136632]

>>15136480
this is really weak reaching and revisionism

[Anonymous No.15136667]

>>15136447
>I don't see how we're doing anything to make India/Pakistan/Mexico/China etc. uninhabitable.
>Mexico

Remember when we gave the cartels weapons? That's been part of an on-going strategy of undermining their democracy using drug traffickers. The same strategy the CIA has employed around the world.

Hopefully Trump ends it.

[Anonymous No.15136675]

>>15136509
The only way they can meaningfully be 'apart' is to go back to their homelands. You think they themselves don't compulsively compare themselves to whites and frame everything in terms of their 'minority' status?

RW reactionaries have no desire to interfere with their states; we very much want to disengage from entangling alliances/arrangements. Also, white nationalists are keenly aware they they are something 'apart' from ourselves (and we do respect them, we just recognize that there is a real competition of interests going on).

[Anonymous No.15136678]

>>15136560
So true. What a fucking travesty.

[Anonymous No.15136716]

>>15136390
Right, and can you provide any empirical examples of any of that?

[Anonymous No.15136718]

>>15136716
What would you like?

[Anonymous No.15136739]

>>15136584
It says US Census Bureau in the pic you fucking mong.
Here:
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/cspan/1940census/CSPAN_1940slides.pdf

Shows the same trend, ~90% white then an aggressive ramping of minority population starting in the '60s.

[Anonymous No.15136780]

>>15136667
Pretty sure a lot of that drug trafficking profit goes back into their economies. Assuming that there is a strong uptick in local violence/crime though, is there any evidence of an average and sustained standard-of-living decline since before those CIA programs? Does this really apply to South-Asia and China (opium wars were quite a while ago, and I don't think they made China unihabitable)?

[Anonymous No.15136781]

>>15133479
The Holocaust, black slavery (US), colonialism (Europe)

Could you really not figure this one out OP?

[Anonymous No.15136793]

>>15136397
>Rejecting morality
And of course you don't understand the difference between normative ethics and metaethics. Just because objective moral qualities don't exist doesn't mean we cant create ethical systems to organize social conduct.
>You'd have to accept scientific racialism and reject retarded notions of 'equality'
That's a 13 year old's understanding of political theory. Do you think liberals don't know that not all people are equally intelligent? Even if it was empirically shown that some races are more intelligent on average due to genetic reasons, it wouldn't threaten the suggestion that we should treat people as individuals. And in any case there is as of yet no evidence of a causal link between race and intelligence, so your point is moot.

[Anonymous No.15136797]

>>15136233
Botswana was a British colony and is run by De Beers, except it became BASED by African standards because their President was iirc the Kang of the Tswana who implemented liberal economic policies and didn't chimp out into socialism like much of the rest of Africa.

[Anonymous No.15136804]

>>15136781
1.Didnt happen

2.Capitalism/blacks willing to sell.

3.No different from any other empire.

[Anonymous No.15136805]

>>15136552
Except that no one says that you should feel guilty because you are privileged. Conservatives attack strawmen to demonize progressives, what else is new.

[Anonymous No.15136806]

>>15133479
>What caused white guilt
Slavery, colonialism, holocaust, holodomor.

[Anonymous No.15136817]

>>15136781
Where is the Turk guilt then? They genocided Armenians, had slavery and was a colonial power.

[Anonymous No.15136822]

>>15136718
Give me an example of this in action:
>They can't ask you to take a right onto Hate White People Ave, so instead they ask for three totally innocent lefts that are ultimately are just roundabout means to the same end.

[Anonymous No.15136824]

>>15136716
Liberally-minded education about "white privilege" has been structured in such a way that it doesn't raise sympathy for impoverished minorities, but lowers sympathy for impoverished whites:
>https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-22926-001
It's a firmly anti-white movement first and foremost. Definitely in practice, and if you can be bothered to actually read the works of people who plant the seeds for this culture, you'd know it's that way by design, too. What sort of evidence would it take to convince you? Sincerely asking.

[Anonymous No.15136828]

>>15136817
Mooselimb sympathy points

[Anonymous No.15136831]

>>15136817
Shhh, we dont talk about them or the japs, or the chinese out side of limp wristed one offs in fear that we might see that we are engaging in polemics.

[Anonymous No.15136834]

>>15136793
You may want to consider that moral expression is objective, just not universal. In other words, morality stems from nature, and the natures of divergent populations are not conducive towards the creation and maintenance of such shared systems.

Only treating people as individuals is a huge mistake. If you abstain from planning around average distributions, you'll forever be playing catch-up to an unplanned future. Regardless of all this though, genetic clusters have a prerogative to prioritize their own existence and interests.

[Anonymous No.15136857]

>>15136824
White privilege is undeniably real, even Richard Spener acknowledges it and he is as anti-progressive as you can be. Affirming the empirical fact of generational poverty isn't being "anti-white".

[Anonymous No.15136862]

>>15136817
Nonwhites are considered too childlike to be moral agents - white men must've caused the Armenian genocide somehow.

If Germany wants to ditch the Holocaust guilt they should unironically rebrand as nonwhite and blame the Holocaust on the influence of American eugenicists - American leftists will be happy to run with this narrative.

[Anonymous No.15136870]

Where's the Mongol guilt?

[Anonymous No.15136874]

>>15136780
I highlighted Mexico since they are so close to US influence.

You really need me to cite you the beheadings and shit the cartels do?

I feel you're doing full on mental gymnastics when called out that the CIA has been destabilizing governments using gangs for decades.

[Anonymous No.15136879]

>>15136862
This. I hte how infantilizing they treat others. I feels actually gross. I like to learn about other cultures and shit but these types seem to actively not want to explore the nuance of them. Meaning both pros and cons. because they assume with us or against us. Outright negwative feelings for non-ingroups actually feel more genuine at this point since it is only one step removed instead of 2 steps (as in preemptively overcompensating for a semi-true strawman).

[Anonymous No.15136881]

>>15136667
>undermining democracy in Latin America
if only the US were this based

[Anonymous No.15136897]

>>15136874
You're ducking. I'm not denying US shenanigans (which I oppose), but neither do I agree that they've had the catastrophic impact you're suggesting (at least in these major sources of non-white immigration).

[Anonymous No.15136900]

>>15136805
>Except that no one says that you should feel guilty because you are privileged
Kek, literally leftists are telling that white people should feel guilty because they are "privileged". Retard.
>strawmen to demonize progressives, what else is new.
How the fuck is my argument a strawman? do you even know what is a strawman? Every single progressive retard says that white people are terrible. There is no misrepresentation on my argument. Now since we are talking about fallacies leftards like to ironically use strawman fallacies. You misrepresent any person that you disagree with you as a racist/homophobic/etc.

[Anonymous No.15136904]

>>15136834
>You may want to consider that moral expression is objective, just not universal. In other words, morality stems from nature, and the natures of divergent populations are not conducive towards the creation and maintenance of such shared systems.
But there is no good or evil in nature, ethical systems are merely useful customs to organize societies.
>Only treating people as individuals is a huge mistake. If you abstain from planning around average distributions, you'll forever be playing catch-up to an unplanned future. Regardless of all this though, genetic clusters have a prerogative to prioritize existence and interests.
What happened to the empirical evidence of "scientific racialism", are we pivoting already

[Anonymous No.15136913]

>>15136509
> because the west is nothing if not entirely narcissistic

This is largely true, but it's also true that economic systems push their way through to want to include those places to increase their contribution to the bottom line.

But, again, it's a double-edged sword: you help -- whatever you consider that to be -- it's colonialism, etc.; you don't, it's racism, etc. Burden v. guilt. Hell, you can't even say, "Maybe we'll just focus on ourselves," because that's lamented, too.

[Anonymous No.15136928]

Guilt isan emotion we resort to when we can't empathise with someone.

[Anonymous No.15136935]

>>15136897

I was replying specifically to you saying you don't see how the US is making 'Mexico' uninhabitable.

I don't feel like posting gore to this thread. Look up 'Los Zetas Beheadings' or something. We've definitely installed violent dictators in a lot of countries.

Look what we did to Libya...

[Anonymous No.15136950]

>>15136857
You're missing the point to such a degree that your response doesn't even seem related to the post you're replying to.
>White privilege is undeniably real
That depends on what you mean. I would probably disagree. People who swallow the white privilege kool-aid also tend to sneakily weave a broader conclusion in with the definition (that white privilege is a really big deal, the biggest deal, so big it demands swift intervention), which is bullshit and shows the true angle.
>Richard Spencer
I don't care. You can't just namedrop racist punched man and expect me to give a shit.
>Affirming the empirical fact of generational poverty isn't being "anti-white".
>"Among social liberals, learning about White privilege reduces sympathy, increases blame, and decreases external attributions for White people struggling with poverty."

[Anonymous No.15136955]

>>15136904
Ah ok, so you're philosophically illiterate.
>merely useful
Oh is that all? Silly me. Here I thought morality was an evolved psychosocial strategy that is fundamental to our social natures.

>What happened to the empirical evidence of "scientific racialism", are we pivoting already
I'm not that anon. I don't really give a shit about how high or not some foreign people's IQ distribution is, whites shouldn't be surrendering their nations. Are you asking for evidence of consequential human biodversity though? I can certainly oblige.

[Anonymous No.15136957]

>>15136900
>Kek, literally leftists are telling that white people should feel guilty because they are "privileged". Retard.
Show me the evidence then. Your Steven Crowder videos don't count.
>How the fuck is my argument a strawman? do you even know what is a strawman? Every single progressive retard says that white people are terrible.
It is a strawman because you have a retarded caricature of progressives in your head that has nothing to do with their actual views. Now find me the Bernie tweets where he says that all whites are terrible.

[Anonymous No.15136981]

>>15136935
Oh yeah, I've seen videos of them chopping up women with wood-axes, torturing people etc. Horrific shit, but not actually evidence that those countries are generally less habitable than they used to be.

Your emotional whinging isn't going to fool me.
Mexico isn't uninhabitable, they're wealthier than they've ever been.

Libya is not a significant source of immigration. Again, I'm not in support of geopolitcal shenanigans, I'm just saying that your assertion about the major sources of non-white immigration having been rendered "uninhabitable" by us is complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15137016]

>>15136981
>I've seen videos of them chopping up women with wood-axes, torturing people etc. Horrific shit
>not less habitable

You also realize Gadaffi was keeping a lot of the migrant flood at bay, right?

You're just doing extreme mental gymnastics to avoid facing the fact that destabilizing regimes has consequences on the general populace. You're basically asking me to give you data from a parallel universe where those CIA led coups didn't happen so we can compare GDP numbers, even though in other contexts you'll clearly say GDP is a Jewish Economist trick and not worth a lower trust society (ie. the exact horror you waved aside to protect your ego.)

[Anonymous No.15137027]

>>15136857
Why shouldn't whites be privileged in the nations their ancestors built?

[Anonymous No.15137029]

>>15136950
>That depends on what you mean
It means that if you are a parent in an impoverished black family during slavery/Jim crow era etc. your kids aren't magically going to become wealthier after the legal barriers are lifted. If a family is poor, statistically speaking their children are going to remain poor. Hence, because of certain historical circumstances, whites in America are wealthier than blacks on average. That's what white privilege means.
>Among social liberals, learning about White privilege reduces sympathy, increases blame, and decreases external attributions for White people struggling with poverty."
Well that shows the importance of the intersectional pov, if you focus too much on race you may lose sight of class etc.

[Anonymous No.15137049]

>>15136955
>Oh is that all? Silly me. Here I thought morality was an evolved psychosocial strategy that is fundamental to our social natures.
It is part biological and part social. But then you agree with me that moral realism is bullshit and that morality is just a natural phenomenon. So why the fuck did you say that embracing materialism amounts to a rejection of morality?

[Anonymous No.15137059]

>>15136981

I'm also not arguing in favor of mass migration. I am arguing to see the truth of how this occurs. The same people who destabilize regions are the ones that push out 'white guilt' propaganda to encourage nations to take the displaced people. They do dirty deeds and convince the innocent bystanders who give the jackals the material support of their home economies to feel guilty for things they have only the vaguest understanding of.

[Anonymous No.15137065]

>>15137016
What percentage of the population do you think gets murdered by cartels vs. dies in completely banal ways like traffic accidents and diabetes? Use your fucking brain.

Yes, I'm aware of the Gadaffi situation. No, I don't support what was done. No, it doesn't have anything to do with those immigrants countries having been rendered "uninhabitable" by the West.

I'm not doing any gymnastics... You're projecting hard. I don't need GDP numbers, but if you can't offer some compelling indication of how these countries have been rendered "uninhabitable", then don't see how you can be confident about your assertion.

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>>15137027
Privileged in what sense?

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>>15137049
So, natural phenomena aren't real? No, I'm saying that morality is natural/biological and that is precisely the basis for moral realism. I'm saying that it isn't universal though, because human natures aren't universal.

>embracing materialism amounts to a rejection of morality
I didn't say that, AGAIN I AM NOT THAT ANON.

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>>15137070
In this sense of the state and its institutions prioritizing their interests over those of foreigners, obviously.

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>>15137065
>Use your fucking brain.

You need to.

Think, for a minute, what taking about a stable government and replacing it with a puppet government can do to the rest of the country. What does it do to trust in their leaders? How about due process?

You also only want to focus on the direct murders, and not the message those murders send to those who are alive. If criminals are quite literally in charge of your government, then what do you think that will do to how your municipal dealings are handled?

[Anonymous No.15137113]

>>15137065
>but if you can't offer some compelling indication of how these countries have been rendered "uninhabitable"

I guess I'll just leave it at:

Do you want to live in Mexico?
Do you want to live in Nicaragua?
Do you want to live in Syria?
Do you want to live in Libya?

[Anonymous No.15137116]

>>15136957
>Show me the evidence then. Your Steven Crowder videos don't count.
You want me to make a fucking list with quotes and evidences? If that is the case then I will do it.
>It is a strawman because you have a retarded caricature of progressives in your head that has nothing to do with their actual views.
False, this is not strawman. This is what leftist believe. They demonize white people and present minorities as these innocents creature that never did anything wrong. All what modern left does is say 'muh white people ebil' 'muh imperialism' 'muh priviledge'.
>Now find me the Bernie tweets where he says that all whites are terrible.
Bernie literally said white people can't be poor. How the fuck isn't that racism? Retard. This implication states indirectly that white people cannot suffer from poverty.

[Anonymous No.15137121]

>>15137029
>It means that if you are a parent in an impoverished black family during slavery/Jim crow era etc. your kids aren't magically going to become wealthier after the legal barriers are lifted.
If you're an impoverished white family during slavery/Jim Crow era, you aren't going to "magically" become wealthier either. You keep showing exactly what I'm talking about here. You're bullshitting up a special distinction for the white version of financial privilege, one that isn't actually extended to all whites.
>because of certain historical circumstances, whites in America are wealthier than blacks on average. That's what white privilege means.
No, that's not what it means, and I don't think you actually believe that. White privilege is typically used to describe how white people in theory benefit from a modern system of prejudices.
>Well that shows the importance of the intersectional pov
The intersectional pov is a lie. You can march all your employees out into a field and have them do the condescending sensitivity exercise where everyone takes a step forward for this and that, but that kind of vetting is not practical and no one even gives a shit about it in practice, especially self-declared intersectionalists. Who is the intersectionalist college admissions office going to tell to go home when they have to choose between a black man in a wheelchair who was born into money but had an abusive father vs a white female who is gay and went to a good school but was born poor? Are they going to break out the chart and start doing oppression math? Or are they going to do what they always do in practice and just pluck from the top of their list whoever is the most immediately, visibly distant from a straight white male. At the end of the day, even if you could take all possible factors into account, what you wind up with is judging people purely by their merits as individuals, something intersectionalists always sperg out over because it's not using enough of their buzzwords.

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>>15133753
Thankfully my ancestor never owned slaves and were actually themselves slaves to the anglos. So I don't feel any of this ancestral guilt.

[Anonymous No.15137163]

>noooooo you destabilized the third world regimerinos! not the heckin' fledgling socialist governments! now their citizens all need to come here!

Meanwhile, half the planet is on lockdown, there are vanishingly few border crossings. America's Middle Eastern misadventures might not be a smart idea, but they aren't causing immigration. They might be causing people to leave, but they aren't causing them to actually reach their destination - that's wholly on the governments in question, and is really more of a moral issue than anything.

>But duh Big Bisness demands to have brown people to exploit!
The State just shut down 90% of the economy with a decree. Again, it's not difficult to stop migration.

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>>15137059
Ok then, but this post >>15136250
if it is you, doesn't distinguish between genuine refugees (which constitute a very small proportion of non-white immigration) and the major source nations of non-white immigration.

You also don't seem to care that most anti-immigration types are opposed to their own governments and their 'dirty deeds', and imply that we are only reaping what we've sown and having a "hissy-fit", when in fact we're the only meaningful resistance.

Sorry, but you don't appear earnest to me.

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>>15137102
Yeah ok, keep moving the goal-posts and don't stop until you're out of my sight please.

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>>15137113
No I don't, which is all the more reason to oppose non-white immigration.

[Anonymous No.15137234]

>>15137163
Really makes ya think, huh?

[Anonymous No.15137245]

Friendly reminder.

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/pol/ shit is the worst shit

[Anonymous No.15137327]

>>15137178
>if it is you

It's not. As I've said, I don't support the mass immigration. I just think it's worth looking at, and taking responsibility for, the very real destabilization people working with the support of our government have caused. The Libya example is probably the best one, where that was basically blowing up the dam holding back the hordes.

>>15137212

Are Syrians (Persians) white?

[Anonymous No.15137348]

>>15137327
No. They're caucasoid but they aren't a part of the European genetic cluster.

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>>15136401
americans mainly

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>>15133791
/lit/ is a religious board, faggot

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>>15136480
>Shifting demographics is not a threat to the white race, no matter how much you like to stir up panic
Then why are liberals always going on and on and on about how vulnerable minority populations are? If being a minority sucks, then why would anyone in their right mind want to become one?

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>>15133479
Niall's defense of the British Empire was compelling.

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>>15136806
>Slavery, colonialism, holocaust, holodomor.
Slavery - the brits where the ones to end slavery and whites were the primary victim of slavery.
Colonialism - was regarded as a moral endeavour in its day.
Holocaust - bingo. eurpoeans now distrust all collectives because of the holocaust
Holodomor - eh?

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>>15136233
>you're still framing the discussion in terms of war. An external force intended to frighten the nation into a unified front against it
I think any group that hasn't become entirely deracinated, and still cares for their continued existence as a people, will recognize demographics displacement as an existential threat. That's what's happening, so the stakes are suitably high enough to warrant discussing such things in zero sum terms.

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White guilt is the idea that any positive affirmation of whiteness as an identity is inherently condemnable as racist.

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>>15136497
>can you tell me all the third-world countries that were improved by imperialism?
The British Empire was basically run at a lost for most of its history and it was generally a benefit to most of the regions under its rule in terms of infrastructure, wealth, technology, medicine etc.

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>>15136560
The eternal Anglo always wins. When you're staring into the beady black eyes of your gender non-conforming mullato grandchildren, just remember, the Anglo always wins in the end.

[Anonymous No.15138609]

>>15138602
>implying the anglos aren't getting mulatto grandchildren as well.

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>>15136857
What Richard Spencer is describing as white privilege isn't same as what a progressive means when they use the term.

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>>15137059
Most of the migrants we are receiving do not come from destabilized regions. It's like you're trying to frame these people as refugees, when really we're talking about economic migrants. These people aren't coming from uninhabitable areas, they're just acting on a strong economic incentive knowing full well that there's very little chance that they'll be arrested and returned home.

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>>15136560
The British did genocide them you liar

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>>15136900
>literally leftists are telling that white people should feel guilty because they are "privileged".
Where? Give me a good example of some "leftists" saying that you need to apologize and feel guilt just for having white skin, that isnt a shitty news blog article.

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>>15138968
Have you ever felt guilty for white privilege?

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>>15136022
>without it you get pseudoscience like phrenology
How can you talk about genetic differences without knowing about genes?