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Hoc thread est optimatibus qui Latine loqui possunt.

Quid hac tempestate legitis aut quid facitis ut linguam latinam disceretis? Ego tandem librum primum T. Livii operis perlegi, ac nescio quid nunc legam.

>> No.15129478

>>15129468
*discatis, mea culpa

>> No.15129504

Filum decessum

>> No.15129508 [DELETED] 

vox romana

>> No.15129510

>>15129468
What language is this? Don't recognise it.

>> No.15129533

>>15129468
*hoc filum

>> No.15129537

Necesse est me thesem tradere magistro quinque ad oras, ego autem procrastino neque incepi. Quid ago?

>> No.15129553

>>15129468

Martial wrote cute epigrams. Translating them is sort of fun.

>Dicis formonsam, dicis te, Bassa, puellam.
>istud quae non est dicere, Bassa, solet.

You say you're young and beautiful. But Bassa, is it true?
The really lovely need not speak, but just appear in view.

>> No.15129554

>>15129537
Futueris

>> No.15129561

>>15129468
Egomet his temporibus Bibliam Vulgatam S. Hieronymi lego.

>> No.15129563

>>15129468
Basatum et rubeomedicinatus

>> No.15129601

Hodie aliisque diebus huius temporis Academia Vivarii Novi tenebit video-lectiones latine. (huius diei italiceque tenebitur et de fide cristiana in imperio romano aget, hesterni diei de Catulli operibus latine egit) Si aliquis interest.

>> No.15129651

>>15129601
Id nesciebam, gratias tibi ago

>> No.15129670

>Quid mihi reddat ager quaeris, Line, Nomentanus?
>Hoc mihi redd1t ager: te, Line, non video.

You ask me, Linus, why I keep a costly country home?
That's easy, Linus. I can't get away from you in Rome.

>> No.15129740

>Quaeris cur nolim te ducere, Galla? Diserta es.
>saepe soloecismum mentula nostra facit.

We can't get married, Galla. You're simply too well-read.
And I like girls who satisfy a very different head.

>> No.15129743

This thread is supremely comfy, thanks Anon.
Do any of you have some tips/ resources on how to learn to read Latin fluently?
I'm having some trouble with the long-ass sentences.

>> No.15129852

>>15129743
Read Lingua latina per se illustrata, book 1 and 2. It's very fun, and once you've finished both books, you can pretty much read any work of prose of the golden age with ease. Here's a recording of the first book in reconstructed pronunciation https://youtu.be/_Zt19wzsW-c

>> No.15130153

>>15129468
why did you learn latin up to the productive stage?

>> No.15130154

>Quid vellis ventulum, Ligeia, cunnum?
>quid busti cineres tui lacessis?
>tales munditiae decent puellas -
>nam tu iam nec anus potes videri;
>istud, crede mihi, Ligeia, belle
>non mater facit Hectoris, sed uxor.
>Erras si tibi cunnus hic videtur,
>ad quem mentula pertinere desit.
>quare si pudor est, Ligeia, noli
>barbam vellere mortuo leoni.

Ligeia, please! Why pluck your ageing cunt?
Why poke a fire that's out? Let me be blunt:
Such things are fine for girls of, say, eighteen -
But when a grandma does it, it's obscene.
Ligeia, trust me, this might work, it's true,
For Hector's wife. But not his mother. Eww!
You're dreaming if you fancy for a minute
I'd look at that and stick my todger in it.
For shame, Ligeia! Think of what you've read:
'One shouldn't shave the lion when he's dead.'

>> No.15130191

>>15129468
Romanes eunt domus

>> No.15130348

I majored in Latin then decided to try to read all of classical Latin lit in chronological order from Plautus to Virgil because I'm an autist. I have oxfords/teubners of most.

After waking several hours before low-wage work every day for like four years I could pretty much sight read anything classical because I'd already read it at least once, and some things I've read multiple times.

But most things I can hardly even remember because despite being an autist I'm actually a complete idiot with no appreciation for literature whatsoever. I've spent all that time doing that but I was bored by a lot of it (especially Cicero, most of it is Cicero, and his letters that are barely comprehensible out of context), I can't have an intelligent conversation about anything I haven't decided to read multiple times for my own private autistic reasons. I don't really know why I did what I did, I did it for the same reason some people solve the crossword puzzle every day.

Latin's fun though, also very very hard Greek is a lot easier.

>> No.15130365

>>15130348

If I were to give advice on someone else, maybe a proper human being with a proper love of life and letters, thinking of doing the same thing, I'd say just read all the poets through, just one or two Plautus plays that sound funny to you, maybe four or five of Cicero's speeches in the original. You could easily do that in a year or so, then since you're a proper human being you could go back and read and reread the things that you actually love (I don't love anything you see I'm just a bored observer).

>> No.15130369

>>15130153
Because imo learning to speak latin is the best way to get to know the language from the inside, as a Roman might have known it, and to truly 'feel' the literature without the added distance that a passive relationship to it might create.

>> No.15130384

>>15130348
>>15130365
Goddamn anon that's fucking depressing, have you done the same thing with Greek?

>> No.15130415

καλλίστη γλῶττα δὲ νυ τοι Ἑλληνική

>> No.15130424

>>15130365
Sounds like me from the future (but with Greek)

>> No.15130523

google traduction

>> No.15130614

>>15130424

Latin is like a fucked up car that barely works, Greek is like a rocket ship. Greek was such a revelation to me after years of Latin. I wish I had just started with Greek.

>> No.15131093

>>15130614
Latin is good for poetry. Greek is better for everything else

>> No.15131374

>>15130614
>>15131093
Such bullshit.

>> No.15131388

>>15130614
Thanks for telling me. I'm glad I'm focusing on Greek much more.

>> No.15131403

>>15130614
>>15131093
Latin prose is as smooth as butter. Fucking brainlets

>> No.15131405

>>15130348
Dont be down on yourself. That's a really cool thing you did

>> No.15131816

>>15130369
but the latin you're learning isn't the latin which the romans spoke

>> No.15132123

Salvī sītis, ō optumī Latīnē loquentēs scrībentēsque! Spērō ut valeātis hīs temporibus inūsitātīs, istōque morbō per tōtum orbem pervastante! Herī prīmam lēgi Vergilī eclogam, et omnīnō placuit! Suādeō vōbīs ut hanc iūcundam, sed etiam quōdam modō luctuōsam legātis fabulam!

>> No.15132431

>>15131816
When I talked about getting to know the language, I meant the literary language obviously. I don't care about how the average roman spoke, all I want is to experience the literature from the inside

>> No.15132485

>>15132123
Legi, ac valde mihi placuit. Luctuosior autem quam iucundior mihi videtur!

>> No.15132644

>>15131816
>>15132431
Sed nōsmet, ut opīnor, rēvērā modōs vērōs Rōmānōs loquendī discere possumus! Tantum ēvolve quamlibet Plautī Terentīve cōmoediam et istās vērissimās et cotidiānās locūtiōnēs disce!

>>15132485
Probē iūdicās, tristissima est. Ō miserrime Meliboee!

>> No.15132749

Forsitan placeat vōbīs haec interpretātiō quam scrīpsī illīus nōtissimae scaenae... Veniam habeātis quod hanc fēcī abhinc aliquot mensēs, et Latīnitās nōn ēmendātissimast.

Sum CIA
Scaena Prima:

CIA: Sum CIA
Gubernator: Non fuit solus
CIA: Eheu, amicos ferre non potes
Pavel Doctoratus: Amici mei nonsunt
Gubernator: Noli curare, nullum est pretium eis
CIA: Et... Cur eos vellem?
Gubernator: Conabantur praedam tuam abripere, negotium agunt mercennario illo... viro isto personato
CIA: Bane... Imponite eos in raedam! Id vocabo!

Scaena Secunda:

CIA: Volandi consilium quod feci cum officina numerat me, viros meos, Pavelem Doctoratum hic, sed modo unum ex vobis. Primo qui loquitur licet in raeda mea manere.
QVIS EDEPOL TIBI PENCVNIAM SOLVIT VT PAVELEM DOCTORATVM ABRIPIAS?!
NON TAM BENE VOLAVIT ISTE!
QUIS VELIT CONARI NUNC?
DIC MIHI OMNIA DE BANO! CUR PERSONAM ISTAM INDVIT? MVLTA FIDES MERCENNARIO!
Banus: Forsitan demiretur cur aliquis hominem occideret, ante eum deiiciat ex aeroplano.
CIA: Tu saltem loqui potes. Quis es tutemet?
Banus: Qui simus nullius momenti est. Consilium nostrum est id quod sit maximi momenti. Nemo curavit qui essem ante personam indui.
CIA: Si istam exuam, morierisne?
Banus: Cruciabile esset.
CIA: Ingens vir es!
Banus: Tibi.
CIA: Nonne fuit consilii tui pars captivus esse?
Banus: Equidem Hercle! Pavel Doctoratus praebitum nostrum renuit, tuo favens. Necesse fuit nobismet id quod tibi dixit invenire.
Pavel Doctoratus: Nihil! Nihil Dixi!
CIA: Tibi congratulor. Temet fecisti captivum!
Miles: Domine...
CIA (ignorans): QVI POL NVNC EST PROXIMVS GRADVS CONSILII OPTVMI TVI??!
Banus: Hanc raedam ruere... cum NVLLIS RELICTIS!

>> No.15132840

>>15132749
This is 4chan autism at its best. Tibi gratulo pro ea translatione, valde enim mihi movit risum.

>> No.15132904

>>15132840
Lubenter! Magnoperē gaudeō quod rīsum mōvit!

>> No.15132937

>>15132749
Pavel should be Paulus

>> No.15132982

>>15130154
Hoc vir futuit.

>> No.15132987

>>15129601
Num "link" ad eas lectiones habes? Non inveni ego.

>> No.15132990

>>15132982
*hic, how embarassing.

>> No.15133011

>>15132644

You probably pronounce it like this

"Sed nohsmett, utt opeenor, ray way raw modohs vayrose"

Is there anything uglier than anglos trying to pronounce Latin with their "rational and reconstructed" system?

Even if the IPA values are technically correct (they're not) there's no way you sound anything like a Roman.

>> No.15133102

>>15132749
>CIA: Si istam exuam, morierisne?
>Banus: Cruciabile esset.
>CIA: Ingens vir es!
>Banus: Tibi.
KEK

>> No.15133185

>>15132431
yeah okay.
if learning latin is intrinsically fun for you then great! it just wasn't for me

>> No.15133375

>>15133011
Equidem mē Rōmānissimē sonāre dīcere nōn ausim, sed prō viribus cōnor, ō mī cārissime dubitāns amīce! Etsī Americāna sum, nōnnumquam fit ut apud gregēs Latīnē loquentium sī quis numquam mē audīvit Anglicē loquentem, putet mēd esse Italam! (Vel saltem nōn Anglophōnam) Ergō nōlī nimis celeriter aliōs iūdicāre, ō belle! Scītō nōs omnēs vitia nostra habēre!

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15133377

nunc est masturbandum

>> No.15133464

>>15133377
numerus geminus

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15133497

>>15133464
gratias tibi, sed illi nihil sunt. ecce

>> No.15133508

>>15133497
vae! dis numerorum non placet

>> No.15133564

>>15132749
Secundum

>> No.15133674 [DELETED] 

Anonimus non habet vocabulum magnum, quia eius nōn complevitur liber “Lingua Latina”.

>> No.15133690

>>15129468
It's really weird knowing a Romance language but no Latin. There are some posts that look like gibberish and others I can understand almost perfectly

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15133868

>>15129563
>Basatum et rubeomedicinatus
lmao.

>> No.15133911

>>15133868
Explain the meme to me (please), I don't get it or what it might refrence.
>I have read Wittgenstein

>> No.15133922

>>15133911
Wittgenstein said that if a lion were able to talk we wouldn't understand it just because of the vastly different frames of reference. I don't understand why the meme is funny but that's what it is referencing.

>> No.15133935

>>15133690
how interesting indeed

>> No.15133983

The best Latin writer after Virgil was Scottish.
A bit sad how only one man managed to reach his level.

>> No.15133984

>>15133690
That's kind of what it's like reading French as a native English speaker if you haven't studied it before

>> No.15134011

>>15131374
>>15131403
Greek's better. Even the Romans knew that.

>> No.15134016

>>15133998
greek is the best language.
then it goes down like this.
greek
latin
Italian
scots
….

>> No.15134033

>>15132749
Fundatus

>> No.15134045

>>15133983
You mean Buchanan?

>> No.15134086

>>15134045
yes Buchannan.
the best modern latin writer.
I think that is the only language he wrote in as well.

>> No.15134101

>>15134045
>For mastery of the Latin language, Buchanan has seldom been surpassed by any modern writer. His style is not rigidly modelled on that of any classical author, but has a freshness and elasticity of its own. Hugh Trevor-Roper called him "by universal consent, the greatest Latin writer, whether in prose or in verse, in sixteenth century Europe". He wrote Latin as if it were his mother tongue

damn

>> No.15134104

>>15132987
De archivio earum nescio. Sed ad lectiones futuras potes inspicere https://vivariumnovum.net/la/events/calendar (nondum positae sunt futurae)

>> No.15134121

>>15134101
>subhumanpedia

>> No.15134159

>>15129468
Salvē, amīcis.
I am currently going through Lingua Latina. On chapter 6. If any fluent speaker here could answer my questions I'd be delighted.
>How long does it take to reach fluency assuming 1 chapter a day learning?
>What is the best way to use Lingua Latina? Usually I read one chapter, listen to it on YouTube in proper pronunciation, and then do the exercises.

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15134219

>>15132749

>> No.15134375

In hoc signo vinces

>> No.15134865

>>15134159
The first volume itself won't get you to fluency, you need to read the second one. Also, you quickly won't be able to read a chapter a day. When you get to Roma Aeterna, some chapters can take several hours to read. Your method is good. Keep going and you'll see results soon.

>> No.15135276

>>15134865
Thanks! How long does it take, generally, to get through the first volume?

>> No.15135489

>>15135276
I did it in a few months, though I guess you could read it much faster if you're really dedicated.

>> No.15135678

>>15133011
Typical brainlet reply. This guy writes in perfect latin, a feat you will probably never achieve, and you criticize him for some imaginary flaw

>> No.15135683

>>15129468
What resources should I use if I want to learn Latin?

>> No.15135774

>>15135683
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O5b7tgkdFH0

>> No.15135847

>went through the entirety of LLPSI like 5 years ago
>dabbed with translating simple roman writings but eventually got bored and went on to do other shit
>forgot everything
FUCKING HELL
*sigh*
>Roma in Italia est

>> No.15135865

>>15135683
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slpK5QER6o0
From this cutie

>> No.15135933

>>15135865
that just sounds Spanish, gay pronunciation.

>> No.15135972

>>15135683
This is what I'm using:

Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, Pars I: Familia Romana
Easy way to learn latin by reading simple latin passages and building up by reading more complex passages.

Kennedy's New Latin Primer
Basically a grammar and pronunciation book

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>>15135933
>that just sounds Spanish, gay pronunciation.

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15136010

>giving a fuck about pronunciation of a dead language

>> No.15136020

>>15135865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx_Q1p66Heo
this guy has a better accent

>> No.15136041

https://youtu.be/BpwH0i0l0po
Thoughts?

>> No.15136090

>>15136041
That you anon? well done, very dramatic and lovely statues to get the poem's message across too.

>> No.15137749

How many hours of self study (wheelock or something similar) will it take to be able to read Virgil comfortably?

>> No.15138300

>>15137749
Depends if you exclusively study to read Virgil or not. If not, I would say 400 to 500 as a bare minimum

>> No.15138532 [DELETED] 

Aureolis futui cum possit Galla duobus
et plus quam futui, si totidem addideris:
aureolos a te cur accipit, Aeschyle, denos?
non fellat tanti Galla. Quid ergo? Tacet.

To sleep with Galla's two gold coins: we know that well enough.
And if you pay a couple more you get the fancy stuff.
You pay her ten, though, Aeschylus. She does suck cheaper, but
You get a precious extra: when her mouth's not full, it's shut.

>> No.15138548

>Aureolis futui cum possit Galla duobus
>et plus quam futui, si totidem addideris:
>aureolos a te cur accipit, Aeschyle, denos?
>non fellat tanti Galla. Quid ergo? Tacet.

To sleep with Galla's two gold coins: we know that well enough.
And if you pay a couple more you get the fancy stuff.
You pay her ten, though, Aeschylus. She does suck cheaper, but
You get a precious extra: when her mouth's not full, it's shut.

>> No.15138645 [DELETED] 

>>15135

the accent of the Roman province of Iberia or

>>15136020

the accent of a barbarian at the gates

Your choice.

>> No.15138654

>>15135865

the accent of the roman province of Iberia or

>>15136020

the accent of a barbarian at the gates

Your choice between tight pussae or anal rape, young Roman.