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>> No.15118875

i don't even bother starting books over 500 pages.

>> No.15118897

I always finish what I start, even if I hate it.

>> No.15118900
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fuck high school and fuck young adult books

>> No.15118957

>>15118875
>>15118854
fucking retarded plebs

>>15118897
Stop wasting your time. If you don't like a book after 30 pages, almost certainly you won't like it after 300.
t. someone smarter and older than you.

>> No.15118968

>>15118900
There’s been literally 0 genre defining/literary important books written by roasties.

>> No.15119031

>>15118957
fucking retarded pleb

>> No.15119153
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>>15118854
Pile of shit book, bigger scam than Stephen King's entire bibliography.

>> No.15119172

I didn't finish the Unbearable Lightness of Being and No longer Human and The Tin Drum.

>> No.15119203
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>>15118854
The section trying to refute Pascal's wager was so atrocious ("just don't worry about the future bro") I gave up immediately and the book has been collecting dust ever since.

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>> No.15119267

>>15119153
>bibliography

>> No.15119274
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>> No.15119303

>>15119172
Lmao you couldn't finish no longer human?
Why

>> No.15119338

>>15119031
fucking retarded pleb

>> No.15119342

>>15119303
brainlet

>> No.15119374

>>15119274
Please don't post on this board anymore

>> No.15119466

>>15119303
It's not that I "couldn't." I didn't want to, because it bored me.

>> No.15119546

>>15119466
Embarassing.

>> No.15119568

>>15119374
Ok sir, I'm sorry.. didn't mean to offend. Good bye and god bless!

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>>15119338
based

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>>15119546
I don't feel very embarassed because it just wasn't a very good book.

>> No.15119626

>>15119589
You're opinion on the book is literally worthless. You didn't finish it. You are King of the brainlets.

>> No.15119629

>>15119203
>still takes pascal's wager seriously
it's okay just admit you stopped reading philosophy right before the enlightenment

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>>15119626

>> No.15119693

>>15118854
you ever think you're being memed by others unconsciously to force your brain to never read this book, despite the fact that it might heal you and give insight into your life? do you ever wonder why every article or comment mentions the page numbers and footnotes, as if to make you overwhelmed by just looking at the cover?

>> No.15119717

>>15119589
Some of us aren't incels so we can't relate to whatever regurgitation a dude who has never touched poon spurts out on a page

>> No.15119726

Grapes of wrath for me. I barely made it 100 pages in.

>> No.15119752

>>15118957
Midwit
>I don't like it therefore it's not worth my time
Might as well stick to TV shows idiot

>> No.15119798

>>15119031
>>15119752
Fucking pieces of shit how dare you speak to your betters?

Know your place and don't you ever DARE again to speak to me, little shitstains.

>> No.15119807

>>15119626
>You're opinion
My god what a fucking imbecile.

I hate this board. The most pretentious bunch of self-fellating cunts on the internet, bar none.

>> No.15119828

>>15119717
Part of the book is that he gets a lot of women and doesn't know why. And it turns out that despite him hating himself and feeling so alien he was really nice to people without knowing it. It's a good book!

>> No.15119841

>>15119629
I quote
>In fact, modern decision theory offers a way to counter Pascal's wager. The fix is to value the present but discount the future...
>One simple way to discount the future is by means of a discount factor. Suppose we discount future happiness by 2 per cent per year... That is, being happy in one year's time is only 98 per cent as valuable to you as being happy today.
And so on, regardless of what you think about Pascals wager this "counter" is nothing more than reddit tier cringe.

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>DUDE WEIRD FORMATTING AND FONTS LMAO 2spoopy4me

>> No.15119859

>>15119153
>bibliography
Fucking midwits

>> No.15119860

>>15118957
There are books that don't get good for 100 pages. I've learned not to judge by the first few pages. I would have missed some real gems that way

>> No.15119866

>>15119857
The preface that guy did for poetics of space was unbelievably obnoxious.

>> No.15119961

>>15119859
??? An authors body of work is called their bibliography. It's not just a list of works cited

>> No.15119995

>>15119961
Look it up in a dictionary right now. Do it. NOW.

>> No.15120005

>>15119693
I liked IJ but it wasn't the footnotes that made it somewhat of a slog it's the fact that DFW has some autistic obsession with cataloging every minute detail of a scene even if it has no real bearing on the scene itself, especially if the action in that setting is brief. He does this even in his journalistic pieces. That and the goddamn puppet show segment were kind of a grind.

>> No.15120007

After struggling through the first 150 pages of Infinit Jest I settled in and really began enjoying myself even if there were times were I had confirm some info online
Im currently stuck in page 85 of Gravitys rainbow, enjoying the prose but not always understanding it at first, should I power through until I settle in like with IJ?

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>>15119995
Neck yourself you haughty retard

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>>15119995

>> No.15120041

inherent vice and crying of lot 49... i love DFW and delillo who were of course heavily influenced from pynchon but i honestly find him really obnoxious. i feel like DFW and DeLillo have more humanity and soul whereas pynchon is some arrogant guy who's writing solely for the sake of sounding smart and really slamming down on the accelerator with the po-mo garbage

>> No.15120084

>>15119220
K&R C programming language for me, as far as /g/ books go

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2smert5me.

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>>15119995

>> No.15121772

>>15119857
I legit just finished this 3 days ago and was pissed as fuck because I realized someone memed me into reading a shit book. I kept waiting for it to get better and then it just ended.

>> No.15122039

>>15119153
>bibliography

>> No.15122078

>>15119961
Ur actually right holy shit

>> No.15122103

>>15119153
The difference is Stephen King recognizes his books are cheap entertainment and compares them to fast food, while Rand believed she had BTFO the entire history of human thought

>> No.15122176

>>15118957
You ought to finish 30-50% before you drop a book. Unless you realize ealrly on that it's genuine garbage.

>> No.15122201

>>15119574
never understood why he needed a strap to sit in

>> No.15123091

>>15120009
>>15120010
Yeah, it's a list, not the books themselves.

>> No.15123220

Sartre Nausea

it reads like a fucking r9k greentext

>> No.15123260

>>15122103
I like some Stephen King novels, why are u snobbing?

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Got me dizzy

>> No.15124441

I'm at around 100 pages of IJ is it normal to not understand everything going on or am I just retarded?

>> No.15125666

>>15119807
I'm pretty sure he knows the difference between your and you're. We all make typos sometimes anon.

>> No.15126600

>>15119153
Try it again once you figure out what words mean.

>> No.15126846

>>15124441
Meh. You'll probably be fine and it depends on what you're trying to "understand."
In terms of the actual events of the plot, at 100 pages in there's definitely still a lot of """lore""" left to be revealed about the world it's set in (like what "the year of glad" and all that stuff is about) so that will take a while to come together.
In terms of connecting the different plot lines to each other (Gately to the tennis kids, etc.), that takes a few hundred pages probably and it's ultimately supposed to be one of the payoffs of the book so expect it to take a lot of time to marinate.
In terms of what all of the factual content of the plot means to the book's "message," it's harder to say when that comes together. The biggest leap I felt of grasping that came in a long, exposition-dump-ish debate two characters have towards the middle of the book. You'll know what I mean when you get there.

>> No.15127071

>>15118854
>not finishing an easy book

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Stopped a bit after Yossarian met the Italian girl and the mission in Bologna. The book is very well-written and the characters are nice, but the funny takes get repetitive after a while. Also, I wasn't getting enough ideas to reflect upon other than soldiers sometimes being trapped by the State's bureocracy and unable to go home, and the problem with language - that it can create logical traps like catch-22 but sometimes aren't enough to express what we feel. My modus operandi for books is:
>If a book doesn't make you feel like a brainlet, it's not a book worth reading

>> No.15127898

>>15124441
It's a book that's meant to be reread several times anyway. You won't really understand absolutely everything on your first read

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>>15119267
>>15119859
>>15122039
>>15126600
I suggest looking "hubris" up on google, fucking midwits.

>> No.15128475

>>15119338
fucking retarded pleb

>> No.15128494

>>15128450
The bibliography is the list, not the actual body of work. Body of work or oeuvre would be the correct terminology, though using oeuvre in relation to Stephen King seems stilted.

>> No.15128502

>>15127264
I agree it feels repetitive in the middle but the last 1/4 or so when people start dying brings everything together nicely. However the last chapter is total shit and should be skipped.

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Not because it was bad but because I'm a brainlet and couldn't stand it

Will try again once I'm more well read

>> No.15128620

>>15128541
Unironically start with the Greeks. Absalom, Absalom! especially is a straight pull from Aeschylus, but all his works are heavily indebted to the classic tragedies. Then just get comfortable with modernism and take your time.

>> No.15128623

>>15118900
YA novels are usually trash once you grow out of being a teenager and even then the ones For Girls are never redeemable

>> No.15128627

>>15118854
I had a book from the 70s about a dude going back in time in a VW bug and he ended up having sex with one of the protohuman monkeys and I closed it and never returned and here I am years later wishing I could find it

>> No.15128642

>>15127264
>>15128502
What he said. There’s that point where suddenly the frivolity of the book turns towards the actuality of war where people you’ve known and grown to like start to die for reasons out of your control

>> No.15129707

>>15124441
I'm 300 pages in and I still don't 100% get it.

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It was too hard for me. I Will return to It eventually.

>> No.15131269

>>15130747
im reading this right now, do u know if there any secondary resources that can help?

>> No.15131311

>>15123220
This

>> No.15131984

>>15124441
both

>> No.15132658

>>15130747
This is the one that filtered me.
I didn't want to stop because it was so beautiful, but after the nth monologue about Rilke and History and the Muse, I couldn't continue.

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who else has autism and has to finish every book they start purely just for the record

>> No.15134150

>>15119153
Bait of the highest quality!

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>>15118854
Not sure if you're memeing OP, but same. I've picked it up twice, get about 100 pages in and lose interest. Could be just me but the writing feels indulgent. I might grab a e-book copy just to slowly trek through all of it someday.

>> No.15134522

>>15119153
>bibliography

I shiggy diggy

>> No.15134550

>>15128620
It sucks having to read thousands of pages you don't want to, just to be able to understand a couple hundred you may or may not like

>> No.15134608

>>15134550
Just read the tragedies. The Oresteia alone is probably enough to enjoy Faulkner and pick up on his major references (Absalom Absalom straight up has a character named Clytemnestra). And obviously if you don't like Faulkner's style or themes then don't bother but if you do then it's well worth your time to read a few hundred pages of background. Also the Greek tragedies are referenced all the time in literature, so it's not solely to enjoy Faulkner.

>> No.15134668

>>15134608
I will trust you and read the Oresteia tonight then

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>> No.15134775

>>15120084
Why? Was it too hard or not worth reading? I was thinking of picking that up

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I couldn't stomach the genital mutilation part so I gave up on it

>> No.15134983

Baltasar Gracian on long books:
>Some reckon books by the thickness, as if they were written to try the brawn more than the brain. Extent alone never rises above mediocrity: it is the misfortune of universal geniuses that in attempting to be at home everywhere, are so nowhere. Intensity gives eminence, and rises to the heroic in matters sublime.

>> No.15134992

>>15134790
It's a wonderful book, beautifully written. The prose is vivid and finely chiseled, without a single superfluous word. The imagery is unique and majestic, of a biblical flavor. The author shows off his wide lexicon and always uses precise terms instead of vague, generic ones. Sometimes he even invents his own. The vegetation is described with the precision of a botanist, and the desert and the mountains with that of a geologist. The descriptions of the landscape are evocative and suggestive without ever being purple. Sometimes they get very close to being poetry. The battles are told in a very crude, matter-of-fact way that fits very well with the atmosphere.

Now, this isn't an easy book to read. It doesn't have that je ne sais quoi that makes you forget you're reading a story. It doesn't flow effortlessly. In fact, in some passages you feel like you're mudding through a swamp. Crucial details are thrown into long sentences devoid of punctuation and full of metaphors and complex analogies. It takes legit effort to picture in your mind what the hell is going on, but it's effort that always pays.

The author also refuses to use internal dialogues and even dialogue tags. He purposefully restricts his own writing arsenal in order to hone to perfection the few tools he does choose to use. He only shows us his characters through their actions and bare words, without any sort of commentary. There's no filter, as if we're witnessing what happens through a camera instead of through a person. The result is a style occasionally difficult to absorb, but certainly a perfect fit for the story he was telling.

Finally, Judge Holden is one of the best characters I've ever come across. But did he really have to rape the Kid in that latrine? That felt so gratuitous.

>> No.15135004

>>15134992
>t.faggot who didn't read the book

stfu midwit psued I swear to god people like you shitting up my board

>> No.15135340

>>15131269
No, couldnt find any, and that was One of the reasons why i dropped It.