/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15116702]

>If it wasn't for religion we would literally be colonizing the galaxy, have flying cars and do massive unprotected butt sex orgies because of the cure of AIDS

wtf I now hate religion

[Anonymous No.15116718]

>>15116702
how are they measuring "scientific advance"
also what were china and the middle east doing during all this, is it entirely on western europe to carry humanity into the future? Whatever happened to "inventing calculus" and "gunpowder" and shit?

[Harmodius !HeLLasW2K. No.15116734]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

[Anonymous No.15116736]

Ah, yes. The Romans and Greeks, famed for being atheists...

[Anonymous No.15116740]

>>15116718
>Do you deny the validity of this graph? I bet you're a climate skeptic too you fucking science denying NAZI

[Anonymous No.15116774]

>>15116740
kek

[Anonymous No.15116793]

>>15116702
it's just a one big flow of energy man.
the useful energy getting converted into heat. if your logic is then we would have been living in a post-civilization at best.
everything is fated to be doomed.

[Anonymous No.15116801]

In a few thousand years, the pyramids will still be standing but the whole of modern scientific society will have disappeared without even so much as a trace

[Anonymous No.15117117]

>>15116702
>implying christianity caused this and not run away inflation and g*rm rapefugees that collapsed rome

>>15116801
this is honestly a huge blackpill, the only trace left of modern civilization once it burns itself out will be our trash

[Anonymous No.15117133]

>>15116801
islamists will get into power and destory them before then don't worry

[Anonymous No.15117165]

It wasn't christianity per se but rather the fall of Rome. Once ancient philosophy was rediscovered in the West, like with Aristotle, there was philosophical discussions in Christianity. People like Aquinas, Duns Scotus, Ockham, etc.

[Anonymous No.15117171]

>>15117117
If it makes you feel any better, our trash will last for way more than a couple thousand years. The reactors alone will leak radiation for millions

[Anonymous No.15117172]

>>15116702
The Eastern Semitic cultures had a much more highly developed economic system than the Romans and Greeks.

[Anonymous No.15117185]

>>15117165
>Once ancient philosophy was rediscovered
This isn't so much a simplification as an outright piece of propaganda and... just a lie really.

[Anonymous No.15117206]

>>15116702
>no sources
>no defined variables
>doesn't account for the fact that the dark ages didn't stop China or the Middle East's development
>scale of the graph is completely off
>implying that people weren't religious before the dark ages
Weak bait

[Anonymous No.15117208]

>>15117185
Not really. Yeah there was Plato but Aristotle texts were lost until they were translated from the Arabic copies. And Aristotle's rediscovery influenced the medieval scholastics.

[Anonymous No.15117209]

>>15116702
Space is literally filled with fucking nothing so i really don't understand the romanticising of it getting "colonized". I really don't understand what people think they're going to find.

[Anonymous No.15117225]

>>15116702
the "dark ages" is literally a propaganda term from Voltaire, the idea of the university came out of the "dark ages" and there were tons of discoveries being made during this time.

[Anonymous No.15117259]

>>15117208
>Yeah there was Plato but Aristotle texts were lost until they were translated from the Arabic copies.
If anything you've got that slightly backwards.

[Anonymous No.15117268]

>>15117171
radiation doesn’t really affect much once its buried under concrete/earth/water. maybe the only noticable trace will be bad groundwater but thats about it
>>15117209
only place worth colonizing is the moon because it’s basically in our backyard, but other than that even mars colonization is pure hopium and redditfaggotry

[Anonymous No.15117269]

>>15116801
Retard

If you believe that the "glories" of some indeterminate past are not simply part of the same historical process that today gives us passenger jets and human rights conventions, you are still bluepilled. The eternal truths are just as accessible now, and just as esoteric, as they were when King Tut was entombed. In order to access them, however, you must focus your mind on the Ideal with enough clarity and vigor that you are able to imagine a time and a state of affairs in which all men and women are able to share in the bliss of truth. Few people have ever been able to do this.

[Anonymous No.15117344]

>>15116718
unironically the middle east was kneecapped by religion too when some imam decided discovering how the universe works was haram

[Anonymous No.15117382]

>>15116734
>mobile link

[Anonymous No.15117395]

all that came out of the middle ages was the transmission and commentary of classical works. they achieved nothing on their own. compare the scientific and artistic achievements of antiquity and the renaissance and you'll know that to be true.

whether or not we would've been farther along is impossible to say but the middle ages were more or less worthless to literature apart from maybe 5 or 10 writers.

[Anonymous No.15117453]

>>15117269
This is a pretty incoherent worldview. Is the past a part of the whole or is it the ideal, a time and state of affairs in which all men and women are able to share in the bliss of truth. What you say has a hint of truth in it but it’s painted over with coat of self assured ignorance. Our civilizations and our petty machinations and virtual sub-realities are inconsequential compared to civilizations of the past. All religions speak of a fall for a reason.

[Anonymous No.15117541]

>>15117453
The past was certainly never ideal, that's my point. And you're right that the dichotomy of a golden and a fallen age is ubiquitous, but I think one will find that religions employ this concept first and foremost in the service of temporal control, not personal salvation. In Judaism, the Fall is first and foremost a punishment issued from the Sovereign to a man who will not keep his woman in check; only at a more philosophical stage of Man's development does this punishment become internalized as a conscience. Of course I'm only repeating Nietzsche here, because I think I pretty much got it right. And of course what I'm saying is that everyone who is invested in a blissful past existence is practicing a self-assured ignorance, so your using that phrase is equivocal.

[Anonymous No.15117563]

>>15117541
I think he* pretty much got it right lol

[Anonymous No.15117604]

Lmao lets just forget about the 200 year dark ages from 11th century BC.

[Anonymous No.15117643]

You posted the cropped version, here's the full pic

[Anonymous No.15117651]

>>15117209
it makes huge tech advances possible conquering space should be first priority if you want any kind of tech golden age
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spinoff_technologies

[Anonymous No.15117660]

>>15117643
hyper-based

[Anonymous No.15117671]

>>15116801
Big chunks of rock made by primitives will still be standing, but current civilization will have "vanished" because the humans of the future will be colonizing the galaxy and will have left the planet to rot. Oh noes...

[Anonymous No.15117768]

>>15117643
>proto-kangdoms
redpill me on Yakub

[Anonymous No.15118054]

>>15117643
cringe

[Anonymous No.15118085]

>>15116702
They were never called "Christian Dark Ages". Only the Dark Ages.