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here i'll post a chaotic list (as it occurs to me) of american authors who feel somewhat exceptionally european. can any of you help me improving this list?

poe, emerson, melville, whitman, dahlberg, pound, eliot, frank jewett mather, veblen, hawthorne, thoreau, henry and william james, peirce, whitehead, dewey, berenson, putnam, robert frost
(not: longfellow, melville, tawin, dickinson, lost generation, jazz age, beat generation... or postmodern writers, nigger writers, feminist writers, and such garbage)

thanks

>> No.15111088

>>15111059
Edith Wharton

>> No.15111092

>>15111059
i duplicated melville, of course he goes in the "european" list

>> No.15111097

>>15111088
> female version of mark twain
no thanks

>> No.15111110

>>15111059
???
most of those authors write in a definite american way.
henry james spent a fairly long period of his life in the uk so he does sound quite british

>> No.15111117

>>15111059
define european

>> No.15111122

and fucking hell john singer sargent could fucking paint

>> No.15111135

>>15111117
if you don't feel it yourself, no "definition" will make you understand

>> No.15111142

most of this is just 19th-century American: when there was still a bit of European influence and high society culture

>> No.15111148

>>15111117
white heterosexual males

>> No.15111161

retarded you seem to be using European as a signifer for "what I think is good taste." Whitman is the American writer par excellence and what difference do you see in what Whitman did for meter vs. what Dickison did for rhyme(as well as layout, meter)

>> No.15111171

>>15111142
well, then list me more 19th century authors (even if i think it's not so)

>> No.15111186

>>15111161
i never said these authors are not quintessentially american, brainlet. this is indeed why i asked for american authors. just, america is many things, one of them is : an european country, like france or germany.

>> No.15111197

>>15111161
Actually this anon is right, OP. Scratch Whitman but the rest is good.

>> No.15111219

>>15111142
So what happened in the 20th century in particular in America, anon?

>> No.15111248

>>15111059
Veblen's the reverse; Whitehead is English (just spent his last 20 or so years at Harvard).
Nonetheless BASED for posting Berenson.

>> No.15111261

>>15111059
Peirce is about American as it gets; his 'genius' doesn't equate to some 'Europeanist' hankering, or style. Same applies to William James-- what in the hell's "European" in the Essays on Pragmatism or The Varieties of Religious Experience? They're as 'foaming at the mouth' with American non-sobriety as it gets.

>> No.15111264

>>15111248
> Whitehead is british
fuck it's quite a shock. always thought he was american.

>> No.15111270

>>15111261
Also, Freud and Jung came to America to visit James, not the reverse. Psychology was invented in the BNW

>> No.15111278

>>15111264
Recall the Principia was written with Russell, who was Whitehead's student

>> No.15111347

>>15111264
On Veblen being 'the reverse'
though born in the Midwest he lived in a very Norwegian community and had Norwegian immigrant parents-- my feel is that he did all he could to appear as American as possible despite his European underpinnings (if that makes sense).
My father (a finance guy) threw Theory of the Leisure Class at me in Highschool and though I is 'long-winded' I was hooked-- he's a fun almost tabloidesque writer. Oddly, kind of reminds of Paglia, who's definitely "American"

>> No.15111374

>>15111347
> he's a fun almost tabloidesque writer
not true at all, if nothing else because he often involves categories like the "neolithic" or the "otium", etc in his sociology
> paglia
you mean camille paglia? oh come on

>> No.15111631

>>15111186
it's more like an african country really

>> No.15111897

>>15111374
>Neolithic and otium/otiose are not fun socio-economic categories when applied to early 20th century Americans....
He hasn't a rye sense of humor? He isn't fun to read? Conspicuous Consumption isn't one of the most humorously true catetorical designations of all time? Dude, he's half satirist, and a lot funnier than even Paglia at her daffy duck best!

>> No.15112049

>>15111219
Suffrage and civil rights and the immigration act of 1963

>> No.15113390

>>15111142
>a bit
If it wasn't for Europe you wouldn't even exist.

>> No.15113977

>>15111059
"European" doesn't mean anything. Calling Poe European is about as helpful as calling him Asian, you're not actually saying anything in particular about him. European is not a unitary cultural movement. Is Poe German? Mediterranean? Slavic? Scottish?

>> No.15114011

>>15113977
>Calling Poe European is about as helpful as calling him Asian,
Well that's an exaggeration. He was an American, which was a primarily British colony, so the culture and civilization he belonged to derived directly from Western Europe.

>> No.15114028

>>15114011
The point is that you could say that about practically any American writer beginning from the 17th century. It's not an informative distinction

>> No.15114038

>>15114028
you are right, my post was utterly useless

>> No.15114095

>>15114038
Well what do you mean by European?

>> No.15114149

>>15114095
i said you were right m8