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Why did the Devil think he could tempt Christ in the desert? Was it possible for Jesus to even be tricked by him?

>> No.15097637

>>15097603
maybe if you read the bible you would know

>> No.15097654 [DELETED] 

>>15097637
OP larps for a living, between breakfast lunch and nigger dick

>> No.15097829

>>15097637
Explain

>> No.15097873

>>15097603
Devil tried to exploit his human nature.

>> No.15098010

>>15097603
Pride that blinds? That's what got Lucifer thrown out of heaven? Can't change a tigers stripes.

>> No.15098023

>>15097603
Cause it's fiction you dumb cunt

>> No.15099717

>>15097603
Un gars s'essaye.

>> No.15099745

>>15097603

I'm not sure but I think perhaps there was ambiguity in Satan's queries. Like along the lines of "If you are the son of God...",

1. Make bread out of these rocks.
2. Jump off the top of the temple and the angels should save you.
3. Worship me and I'll just give you the entire world.

>> No.15099850

It's held in some Christian theology that Jesus was fully capable of sinning (This being the 'human' aspect of Christ, he shared human desires)

>> No.15100577

The Devil did not know if he was Christ or not. God allowed it so he could experience temptation as humans experience it in his human nature even though it was impossible for his divine nature to be tempted. If the Devil had know Christ was God, he wouldn't have orchestrated the crucifiction, which accomplished the salvation of mankind, the foreknowledge of which had caused Satan to defect in the first place.

>> No.15100879

>>15097603
>Was it possible for Jesus to even be tricked by him?
How could the divine Logos ever get tricked by a creature, especially tricked into sinning?

>> No.15102367

It was just a parable IIRC

>> No.15102380

>>15097603
> Was it possible for Jesus to even be tricked by him?
Yes. Jesus was both man and God.

>> No.15102540

Perhaps part of the explanation is that pride has blinded Satan to reality. Two Old Testament passages (Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:11-19) discuss Satan’s original position and the reasons for his loss of that position. They tell of an exalted angelic being, one of God’s creatures, who became proud. He determined to take the throne of God for himself. But God removed him from his position.

Satan’s influence in worldly affairs is clearly revealed (John 12:31). Satan is extremely intelligent. Through his intelligence he deceived Adam and Eve and took over their rule of the world for himself (Genesis 1:26; 3:1-7; 2 Corinthians 11:3). His cleverness enables him to carry out his deceptive work almost at will, although his power is subject to God’s restrictions (Job 1:12; Luke 4:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:7-8). He does have certain victories—although within the boundaries God has set for him—and perhaps these victories allow him to continue the illusion that he can have victory over God Himself.

The reins of God on Satan’s activities are illustrated by Satan’s request to God for permission to afflict Job (Job 1:7-12). Satan is permitted to afflict God’s people (Luke 13:16; 1 Thessalonians 2:18; Hebrews 2:14), but he is never permitted to win an ultimate victory over them (John 14:30-31; 16:33). A part of Satan’s continuing ambition to replace God is his passionate yearning to have others worship him (Matthew 4:8-9; Revelation 13:4, 12). Satan is "the wicked one" (Matthew 13:19, 38), while God is "the Holy One" (Isaiah 1:4).

Satan’s nature is malicious. His efforts in opposing God, His people, and His truth are tireless (Job 1:7; 2:2; Matthew 13:28). He is always opposed to man’s best interests (1 Chronicles 21:1; Zechariah 3:1-2). Through his role in introducing sin into the human family (Genesis 3), Satan has gained the power of death—a power which Christ has broken through His crucifixion and resurrection (Hebrews 2:14-15). Satan tempted Christ directly, trying to lead Him into compromise by promising Him worldly authority and power (Luke 4:5-8).

>> No.15102549

I really don't understand this when coupled with Christian doctrine.
On the one hand, Christ needs to be tempted in order to overcome it. This is one of the most poignant parts of the Bible, and the fulfillment of Christ's human nature, that is to say the overthrow of man's original sin.
On the other hand, Christ is God and cannot be tempted. It is held that God cannot be tempted by anything,

>> No.15102921

>>15099850
This is my take. It's there to prove that Christ wasn't infallible even though he was impeccable.
Because of this his life, and ultimately the decision to go up on the cross, were all conscious decisions.

>>15099745
This is also just a personal interpretation, but I think the purpose of the temptations was to call Jesus's divine nature into doubt, which explains the phrasing "IF thou be the son of God"
If he had gone along with it, the sin would have been in thinking there was anything that needed proving.

>> No.15103311
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15103311

>>15102921
>Christ wasn't infallible

>> No.15104479

>>15103311
Fuck off with this anti semitism

>> No.15104857

>>15097873
This. Jesus was part human after all

>> No.15104879

>>15104857
He is not part human. He is wholly human and wholly divine, without any intermingling of the humam and the divine natures.

>> No.15104885

>>15104479
hes right you synagogue of satan