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15072407 No.15072407 [Reply] [Original]

When did you realize that /lit/ was truly dead? For me it was after Bloom's death, when his sticky (which just barely hit 1000) became clogged up by /pol/tard's REEing about teh joos.

>> No.15072441

>>15072407
Some four summers ago.

>> No.15072449

Just in the few past days. All the churchfag and hitler threads remain undeleted. Most of the discourse is just meme images and name calling.

>> No.15072462

>>15072407
Dude there’s been so many moments when I’ve desperately wanted to quit this board for good but it inevitably lured me back in because there isn’t really anywhere else to go to talk about books. Maybe like once a week I’ll have in interesting discussion on here, but apart from that, it’s all garbage. And yet I continue to subject myself to it. How little respect I have for my time makes me so sad sometimes

>> No.15072488

>>15072407
Dude, I've seen three good posts here in the last week alone. Stop hanging out in the /pol/tard or chapocel threads.

>> No.15072499

>>15072407
it's been dead for years

>> No.15072510

>>15072488
Post 'em.

>> No.15072511

All the christian larpers and right wing dorks killed it

>> No.15072537

>>15072511
It's not the Christfags or the /pol/tards that are in themselves the problem, it's the fact that none of them fucking read.

>> No.15072555

>>15072511
Not to mention all the pseudo-spiritualists who won’t stop spamming Guenon. This place could not be more antithetical to spirituality or genuine worship, and yet for some reason they seem to dominate the board without ever getting banned for spam. It’s so exhausting when every other post is “retroactively refuted (pbuh)”.

>> No.15072572

>>15072407
>teh joos
faggots like you ruin the board. You’re one of those atheist types who goes on and on about “bronze-aged myths” and a “Jewish zombie.”

>> No.15072598

No lie, pewdiepie killed this place. His "reviews" of lit essentials probably massively increased visitors all of whom are 16 year old edgelords and pseuds

>> No.15072602

A lot of us are banned from /pol/, we had to go somewhere. Make room, make room!

>> No.15072615

>>15072572
I'm not an atheist retard

>> No.15072630

>>15072615
if you were, that’s how you would speak. Why not just say “the jews” ?

>> No.15072632

>>15072572
Why are you fighting random strawmen in your head? You need to go back.

>> No.15072641

>>15072630
Why are you so obsessed with them?

>> No.15072667

>>15072641
didn’t answer my question

>> No.15072675

>>15072667
I was taking the piss out of you. Now answer mine.

>> No.15072700

>>15072407
>>15072511
>waaaaah this board doesn't agree with my 24/7 its deeeaad
Ok, go away? Or maybe make some high quality threads and posts yourself, ever thought of that?

>> No.15072707

>>15072675
I don’t care about jews or the arguments for them or against them. I just want to know why you must say “teh joos” like a retard. Do you think your post would have been worse had you just said “the jews” or even “jews” ?

>> No.15072712

>>15072707
Given how much it's making you pointlessly seethe, I'm actually kind of glad I did.

>> No.15072723

>>15072712
congratulations. You just justified the very behavior you complained about in the OP. It’s ok that /pol/tards talk about jews, because it makes people like you seethe, and that entertains them. Idiot

>> No.15072730

>>15072700
It has nothing to do with political disagreements and everything to do with uncultured philistines shitting up actually good threads with their hot takes and garbage off-topic threads of their own that are posted simply to provoke pointless bickering. The moderation is almost non-existent at this point, and when it is moderated, it is entirely aribtrary. You clearly haven’t been around long enough to know it wasn’t always like this.

>>15072598
You know what, that sounds entirely plausible

>> No.15072745

When I discovered that people constantly bitch about the lack of quality discussion while refusing to participate in or contribute to the minority of good threads. You just like to complain.

>> No.15072746

>>15072730
>You know what, that sounds entirely plausible
redditspeak

>> No.15072747

>>15072723
>mocking retardation is just as bad as retardation
Yeah, real gotcha moment you rustled up there.

>> No.15072755

>>15072745
>implying

>> No.15072763

>>15072630
>if you were, that’s how you would speak
MENTAL ISSUES

>> No.15072909

>>15072746
You seem to have a much better grasp on how they speak on reddit than I do, anon. Why don’t you go back?

>> No.15072917

>>15072745
Point me to a “good” thread, and I’ll participate it.

>> No.15072922

>>15072407
You get out what you put in. Stop being a whiny faggot.

>> No.15072925

>>15072499
that which is dead can never die.

>> No.15073383

Why is the moderation on this board so shitty? Why do off-topic threads stay up for literally days?

>> No.15073418

christfags and poltards ruined every corner of the internet

>> No.15073420

>>15073383
Every board is 40% obvious bait threads, 40% off topic and 20% on topic threads which maybe get 5-10 replies and the rest bait and off topic.

The only difference is extremely low barrier to entry boards like /tv/ where the on topic non-bait discussion is indistinguishable to off topic bait discussion.

I don't have a home board anymore. They're all like this now. E

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>>15072488
>>15072462
Is it weird that I think every thread can be slightly interesting? Maybe it's because I haven't been here for decades like oldfags, but I spend inordinate amounts of time on hundreds of threads each day, reading every reply.

>> No.15073573

>>15072407
I noticed it immediately when I started to frequent this board because I haven't read a book since high school and I could still keep up in all """discussions"""

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>>15072598
>Pewreddit
Did he specifically mention this board?

>> No.15073596

>>15073562
It means you enjoy the medium and procedure of the website more than the content.

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>>15073596
hmm I don't think so. I genuinely enjoy the content on here (most of it anyway), conversely, maybe i only do it out of habit or the hope of maybe reading a really interesting post.

>> No.15073636

>>15073383
On-topic is taking things serious. This site thrives on chaos.
"Lurk moar" has its meaning, you need to spend time here if you want something real. It takes a lot of inspiration for talk to unravel and crystalize. Rarely happens that a thread is fairly moderated. Talking about improving a board with moderation is talking shit. Not even the moderation on /tv/ makes things good.
If you desire quality, bring your beef to the potluck. Don't get discouraged when someone chews it up and spits it out. Sometimes my threads and OC go into the garbage disposal and that sucks but hey it's righteous. If you want something more structured, look for another community, I don't say that to be mean.

>> No.15073648

>>15072407
Non americans don't give a shit about Harold Bloom. He's a retarded nobody

>> No.15073761

>>15073636
Newfag

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15073978

What's up with these new anime posting namefags? Not that I'm against them, it's just that multiple seem to have popped up out of nowhere.

>> No.15073994

>>15073978
Summer came early this year.

>> No.15074001

>>15073627
Niggers.

>> No.15074020

well, at least they just deleted london frog's gay post. that's a start?

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>>15072555
It's weird but look at the catalog right now: there isn't a single guenon thread. I think he must have finally been banned, or maybe coronavirus got 'em. Either way, I'm enjoying the peace from his inanity.

>> No.15074122

>>15074020
Londonfrog needs to fix up, he's been playing variations of the same ditty far too long now.

>> No.15074124

As long as I can remember it's always been /pol/, christfags, retarded zoomers looking for book recs or simply asking how to read, pseuds, and depressed burnouts looking for book recs to cope with their shite lives and alleviate depression.

>> No.15074180

>>15074124
>As long as I can remember
You're a newfag

>> No.15074355

>>15073636
Well said.

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>>15072407
>clogged up by /pol/tard's REEing about teh joos
>thread immediately descends into reeeing about jews
So that's a yes.

I actually wouldn't mind a surge of right wing interest in this board from actual readers. But when every thread is just "guise guise the Jews are REEEaly bad guise believe me or I'll call you a cuck/simp/retard/faggot/nigger/jew again!! T_T T_T xDDD" it kills my desire to effort-post stone dead.

>> No.15074869

>>15074124
We used to post a lot more about books way back when the board started, around 2013 or so.

>> No.15074879

>>15073562
I do agree. You can make even the most retarded discussion into something interesting.

>> No.15074906
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15074906

I think one thing that absolutely needs to be purged from the board are the Anons who come here asking for advice.

The whole "Books for this feel?" thing. People asking for books to help them get over a mood or a feeling, or to stop masturbating, or something like that. I'm just here to talk about Melville and Faulkner and Borges, I have no interest in giving somebody advice about how to live their life, and I'm probably not qualified to do that, anyway. All those sorts of threads should either be instantly deleted or instantly moved to /adv/. We are not the "How do I unfuck my life" board.

>> No.15074912

>>15072747
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>> No.15074926

>>15074906
>instantly moved to /adv/
They might as well just go to Reddit

>> No.15074935

>>15073636
>"Lurk moar" has its meaning, you need to spend time here if you want something real.

This is true of every board. I can spend hours on 4chan and come away with nothing. Conversely, I sometimes stumble upon information that is life changing that I would likely have found nowhere else. On the whole, the trade is worthwhile.

>> No.15074939

>>15074912
Reading comprehension obviously isn't your strong suit. Would you like me to break it all down for you, so it's a bit clearer?

>> No.15074944

>>15074906
Those are bait threads, they want to talk about anything but literature.
>>15074926
Also this.

>> No.15074947

>>15072511
I've called for the debate if right wingers should be allowed in society and everyone calls me a troll for it

>> No.15074956

Harold Bloom was a posturizing fuck. I bet you've never read any of his books, and if you had, you'd see how pathetic he is.

>> No.15074961

>>15074859
>"guise guise the Jews are REEEaly bad guise believe me or I'll call you a cuck/simp/retard/faggot/nigger/jew again!! T_T T_T xDDD" it kills my desire to effort-post stone dead.

Sounds like you're claiming their tactics work.

I honestly don't share your viewpoint, though. I've seen the /pol/ migrants (irony) try to engage in real discussion about literature. As much as it upsets people, 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion' is, in fact, literature. The type of posting you're describing seems mostly limited to /pol/ proper.

But your image is awesome, so thank you for that.

>> No.15074963

>>15072462
you're here forever

>> No.15074972

>>15074939
Self-reflection isn't your strong-suit.

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>>15074906
I wonder if this would cover it. I would also say that general request threads (i.e. asking for reading lists and such) have been detrimental to the board. It's all pretense and no discussion.

>> No.15075336

>>15074972
>still struggling
Ok, you'll have to concentrate real hard now because I shan't be repeating this again.
There are these individuals called /pol/tards who can't stop talking about this group of people called the Jews. Jews this, Jews that, they'll say. For some reason, one they always struggle to articulate, they believe that everything that is wrong with the world is on account of this very small group of people who also, coincidentally, control absolutely everything to do with your life and mine. Because these /pol/tards are so preoccupied with the very pressing business of showing up these Jews as the sneaky cunts that they are, it's impossible to engage in any manner of conversation without the subject somehow coming up and derailing everything that came before:
>Just finished Kafka's Amerika, what does /lit/ think of it
>pozzed propaganda straight from the Jew's mouth, not worth my time
or
>Are there any other great epic poems in English besides Paradise Lost
>dunno but there won't be anymore written now because epics have been singled out by (((them))) for showing strong masculine values and nationalist themes.
or
>Hi, anon, how are you today
>Nevermind that shit, what about these kikes?
You can imagine this soon gets very very tiring and not at all conducive (i.e to make something likely to happen) to decent discussion. Despite how central this obsession is to their lives, when pushed to provide evidence for their claims, /pol/tards are rarely able to provide any, instead resorting to accusing you of being a Jew, which rather kills the conversation right there.

This is all what we call retarded.

Now, in online spaces such as 4chan, there is a form of mockery that occurs when an individual or group of individuals can't stop talking about one particular subject. The mockery usually begins by paring the subject down to a single phrase, in this case: "the Jews." After this, one alters the phrase in a manner that is both juvenile and incorrectly spelled. This can take many forms such as "muh jews" or "le juice" or in some cases, "teh joos."
By singling it down to a key phrase, the one who mocks underscores the facile one track mind of the one is being mocked and by misspelling the phrase, one also emphasizes the mockee's stupidity. (If there are any other basic jokes you're confused about that you'd like me to break down for you, please just ask).

The purpose of this all, as with a lot of language, is to make a point as concisely as possible, the point being in this case: "/pol/tards are a bunch of monomanical brainlets."
All this is very well established and, to the non-autistic people out there, very easy to understand.
As you can see now, there is no equivalence between what /pol/tards are doing (derailing threads to talk about their schizo obsession) and what I'm doing (mocking them for their schizo obsession). I hope you learned something.

>> No.15075372

>>15075336
>so triggered by nazis he wrote all that

In the end, you're just propagating their talking points.

You COULD have started a thread with good /lit/ related content. Instead you just played into their narrative, all while being self-righteous and arrogant. Spam CAN shut down a thread, a single (or a few) posts can easily be ignored. Instead of having any amount of self-discipline, instead, you feed them attention. After all the time you've spent on 4chan you have still not learned to not feed the trolls. Despite this fundamental failing you believe yourself to be intellectually superior. You believe reusing an old meme mispelling to be clever. Basically, you're completely full of yourself and doing something counter-productive to your stated goal.

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>>15074944
How can they be bait threads if they frequently get hundreds of replies? If they're bait threads, they're very, very effective bait.

>> No.15075480

>>15072407
Everyone’s locked down and the boards are leaking. Even going to /pol/ is like visiting a psych ward. There’s no politics just schizo and BBC posting

>> No.15075486

>>15072572
>creating a windmill to charge
Peak schizo posting

>> No.15075533

>>15074947
Did you make the authoritarian post the other day?

>> No.15075541

>>15075336
10/10 would read again

>> No.15075549

Serious question, was I ever suppose to take this site seriously? I purposely derail threads and boards because I find it funny.

>> No.15075596

>>15075336
>>15075372
Based PhDanons writing their dissertations on all the exact nuances of 4channel - /lit/‘s relationship with the Jews and those who criticize them.

>> No.15075682

>>15075372
this post is the only correct one I've seen here. /pol/tards have always been here, just not necessarily as /pol/tards (try /re/tards). the classic response is ignoring them until they go away, because if a thread is getting less retarded responses than good ones it probably wasn't a worthwhile thread in the first place. fundamentally that rule hasn't changed, the only thing (I think) that has is that, after 2016, people feel more politically conscious and therefore are much quicker to take up in argument EVERY SINGLE SHITPOST that some faggot throws at a thread, and then once they run circles in argument they go and create another thread whining about the death of /lit/, what can we do to change the content of /lit/, etc. there's always been plenty of stupid people here, plenty of vile people here, and plenty of racists here, but if /lit/ died it did so by becoming conscious of this generalized retardation. actually, not at all conscious, rather the opposite, because you've begun to take it seriously

>> No.15075685

>>15075372
I wrote all that because you were too retarded to understand the meaning of two words. Two words which somehow really got under your skin, despite your claims that they don't pertain to you. I'm glad you were finally able to grasp it though and we're now on the same page.
>You COULD have started a thread with good /lit/ related content.
Implying I haven't. You're aware that somebody can have multiple threads going on at a time right?
>Instead you just played into their narrative
Everything plays into their narrative, it's why they're so deranged. If a tree falls in a forest it's teh joos wot done it.
>blah blah don't feed the trolls
When a substantive bulk of the board are trolls then ignoring them ceases to be an option. I haven't wittingly engaged a /pol/tard in ages (until, I have a feeling, now). But still they're here. Funny that. It's almost like, now get this, they're not just in it for attention but are actually 100% sincere nazi schizos.
>Despite this fundamental failing you believe yourself to be intellectually superior
I'm no genius but I'm definitely smarter than both your average /pol/tard and, given the showing you've made today, you.
>You believe reusing an old meme mispelling to be clever.
It's not clever but it is pretty funny. Like misspelling "misspelling" is pretty funny. Some things are just funny.

>> No.15075744

>>15075336
fukken saved

>> No.15075760

>>15075685
>Implying I haven't.

If those threads were good, you wouldn't be crying here today.

>Everything plays into their narrative

No, explicitly bringing attention to their talking points feeds into their narrative. Your post made people think about 'ze geuse' when they otherwise would not have.

>When a substantive bulk of the board are trolls

Welcome to 4chan, Newfag.

> I haven't wittingly engaged a /pol/tard in ages

Yet you deliberately started a thread with bait for them. Even with that you haven't really had any Nazi related posts. You have paranoid delusions.

>blah blah more inflated ego

You aren't half as clever as you wish you were. As I stated earlier, you're practically incapable of self-reflection.

>> No.15075777

>>15075336
>>15075685
Based and BTFO

>> No.15075786

>>15072462
you sound like an addict. but i'm in the same boat :(

>> No.15075788

>>15075760
>Welcome to 4chan, Newfag.
Not him but, putting aside the cringe way you phrased this, "4chan is mostly trolls" is the most newfag take going.

>> No.15075790

>>15075541
>>15075744
>>15075777

To make a point, your post only garnered meaningless one-liners. People who cannot even contribute a real thought and just post a reply that's been posted countless times to this website, and this board. They are basically chaff that shits up the board.

My post garnered a reply (>>15075682) That involved some level of intellect and thought. Clearly, you, and those that think like you, are the ones contributing to the destruction of this board.

>> No.15075798

>>15075788
>4chan hasn't historically been about trolling people

Trolling has always been an essential part of 4chan culture. To deny that is to make a fool of yourself.

>> No.15075841

Something changed around the time /his/ was created and there was some debate as to what belonged on here. I
I also see most threads aren't actually discussions about books. No one even talks about "The Meme Trilogy" anymore.

It seems more focused on thinkers and cultural figures rather than their respective works. It seems like the meme that "/lit/ doesn't read" is actually true for many posters.

I still enjoy the occasional discussion and miss the QTDDTOT threads.

>> No.15075857

>>15075798
Not on /lit/. The fact you don't know that marks you out as a newfag.

>> No.15075863

>>15075790
Christ, he really got to you, didn't he?

>> No.15075894

>>15075841
>It seems more focused on thinkers and cultural figures rather than their respective works. It seems like the meme that "/lit/ doesn't read" is actually true for many posters.

And why aren't these threads deleted? If we had even the barest amount of competent moderation these threads wouldn't stay up as long as they do. We shouldn't have threads about Jordan Peterson or Peter Hitchens, because they're not threads about books, they're threads about people.

>> No.15075895

>>15075857
>No U

Look a troll on /lit/

>>15075863
More like I'm just pointing out that the only poster capable of writing a full paragraph is the one that agreed with me. Based on the complaint, he should feel bad that the only people that agree with him are people whose writing ability consists of being able to re-type 'Based and btfo' like a trained parrot. Because those are the people that weigh the board down with garbage posts.

>> No.15075958

>>15075895
>Look a troll on /lit/
Retard, it's not my fault you've just recently come here and have no knowledge of /lit/culture. First things firsr, stop reddit-spacing, learn what "no u" means and lurk a bit more.

>> No.15075966

>>15075790
My apologies, but out should know that is one of the oldest memes on this site. Second, every time one-liner I also sage. Third, I wanted to commend you on your post and didn't have anything else to say. But if you are going to be dick about it, fuck off then.

>> No.15075992

>>15075958

Your aren't even a good troll. Sad.

>>15075966

You're correct, but considering this is all about board quality, and the fact I have people complaining about trolls on 4chan, it's all so tiresome.

> fuck off then.

I was planning to, thanks for the encouragement. Awesome timestamp.

>> No.15076013

>>15075790
>my (You)s are better yours
Holy shit, this is possibly the most pathetic post I've yet seen on this board. Congrats, I guess.

>> No.15076051

>>15076013
Delicious.

>> No.15076079

>>15075336
>Hi, anon, how are you today
>Nevermind that shit, what about these kikes?
kek
I am fascinated by what gets them like this. Incels with women I understand, it's partially biological, but how do fucking Jews cause so much anguish and rage in middle class white nerds who have only probably ever seen them on TV? How do you get from laughing at Cartman being antisemitic as a 12 year old to being 21 and scrolling down the wikipedia pages of every single celebrity you come across in order to find a hint of Jewish blood. Any books on this shit?

>> No.15076142

>>15072407
2016 lol

>> No.15076152

I think an outright ban on contemporary politics posts (let's say anything post cold war), as well as either a guenon ban (or guenon general thread as a containment) would go a long way towards fixing the board. I've been here since 2011 and I'd say this is by far the worst the board has gotten, largely because of circlejerks like guenon and the /pol/ shit slinging fests.

>> No.15076257

>>15075894
>And why aren't these threads deleted?
Probably just poor moderation, but I think this is a critical issue.

>>15076152
Generals might help. I agree about this board reaching new lows, but I think that sentiment is unanimous across all boards.

What's sad is if I now want to discuss a book, I'll just search the archive and read posts from a few years back when texts were still discussed.

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>>15076257
>tfw actually rooting for more jannie interference
How did it come to this

>> No.15076432

>>15076317
I have no problem with heavier moderation if it isn't arbitrary and given to any mod's particular fancy

>> No.15077675

>>15075841
>It seems more focused on thinkers and cultural figures rather than their respective works. It seems like the meme that "/lit/ doesn't read" is actually true for many posters.
Just scanning the front page now and not a single thread was about a book.

>> No.15077920

>>15075760
What's with the reddit spacing newfag?
>If those threads were good, you wouldn't be crying here today.
They're excellent, too many /pol/tards and derailing autists like you though.
>No, explicitly bringing attention to their talking points feeds into their narrative.
What a retarded thing to say, as if mocking a viewpoint is the same thing as reinforcing a viewpoint. People are well aware of the "teh joos" obsession /pol/tards have already, I haven't introduced it to anyone. I asked when did other people realize this board has gone to shit and I gave my own answer. I will have to alter it now to "some autist got butthurt for no discnerable reason because I took the piss out of /pol/tards using an old joke."
>Welcome to 4chan, Newfag. 4CHAN IS LE EPIC TROLL FACTORY XD
You're the most blatant newfag I've ever seen.
>Yet you deliberately started a thread with bait for them.
To mock them, incidentally. The post was how shit this board has become which is something many people have agreed with already.
>As I stated earlier, you're practically incapable of self-reflection.
The irony here is sweet and delicious.
>>15075790
kek you really do need to get a grip.

>> No.15078082

>>15075336
Based. You should unironically write a blog explaining basic memes to newfags, it would be popular these days. What is 4chan coming to when you retarded redditors don't get the "teh” meme. Fucking hell, this is really basic stuff.
2016 really was a killer for this place, as numerous anon have already said. A cursory look at the archive from even just two years back demonstrates how much this place has degraded, how poisoned the discourse has become, and how little people read now. Starting decent threads has become almost I impossible because all the air gets sucked out of them by shitposting or, worst of all, everyone is too focused on bait threads to actually talk about books. When was the last time there was a decent discussion about the meme trilogy? I can't recall and I'm here everyday, for my sins.

>> No.15078483

>>15076079
It starts with a barrage of happy merchant memes which butter up the proto /pol/tard with humour. They get so used to the language it becomes entirely natural for them. Once that happens you start plying them with factoids and statistics about the percentage of Jews in the media and some of Isreal's dodgy dealings. Post a few wackadoo meme texts for them to read and you've got a fully baked /pol/tard on the go.
This only works on losers looking for someone to blame for their shit lives.

>> No.15078913

>>15078483
Makes sense.

>> No.15080085

>>15072407
>When did you realize that /lit/ was truly dead?
When Butterfly came back

>> No.15081040

Would it help to go on the IRC channel and bitch to the mods directly? I've thought about that a few times.

>> No.15081494

>>15081040
>he thinks mods even read that shit