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i'm finding this book to be very difficult. am i retarded? should i kill myself?

>> No.15072279

>>15072272
Just watch Triangle. It's the same story but bearable.

>> No.15072297

>>15072279
triangle is unironically a great film

>> No.15072306

>>15072279
That movie was really good, but really heavy handed when it outright mentioned sisyphus

>> No.15072376

>>15072279
i don't want to have to watch a movie instead, i would really rather be able to enjoy reading it. i cannot accept that i'm a brainlet

>> No.15072473

>>15072272
I just read this as well and thought it was over written. He's not writing about anything new and touching on ideas by men who are more equipped. I felt like an unauthentic teenage edgelord while reading this and I'm glad I can move on.

>> No.15072497

>>15072473
i really like the topic of the book, which is whether or not suicide is a legitmate solution to the absurdity of life. do you know of any other, better books that explore this topic?

>> No.15072516

>>15072497
the plague

>> No.15072534

>>15072497
See
>>15072516
I consider the plague to be the enjoyable, fiction version of Sisyphus

>> No.15072553

>>15072516
>>15072534
alright, thanks

>> No.15072725

>>15072497
It's more about philosophical suicide instead of actual suicide. Committing to religion, or committing to a different idea that has massive gaps in it is suicide to Camus. He uses the drama of suicide as a metaphor to pull you in

>> No.15072733

>>15072497
He was heavily influenced by Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, and Tolstoy. Read his play Caligula and the Stranger, those two are meant to be read with Sisyphus.

>> No.15072921

>>15072725
oh, i didn't realize that. that's an interesting concept, although i'm more interested in actual suicide rather than philosophical suicide.
>>15072733
i've read the Stranger and enjoyed it quite a lot. would you say Caligula is necessary before continuing with Sisyphus?

>> No.15073081

>>15072921
It does discuss actual and philosophical suicide. And if you're struggling with Sisyphus, take a break and read Caligula. Camus meant to release a novel, essay, and play all together for his books. There's also a collection of his essays called Albert Camus: Lyrical and Critical Essays that covers more of his philosophy

>> No.15073162

>>15073081
i'm struggling less and less as i continue reading, and i'm enjoying the process of improvement. i will definitely get Caligula though, since i enjoyed the Stranger so much. this is my first philosophy book, and i want to eventually work my way up to much harder and more comprehensive stuff like Nietzche. i think this is a good place to start, although i have been told to start with the greeks. i figured it would be better to start with something like Sisyphus since i'm very interested in the subject matter, whereas with the greeks it's harder for me to get invested in what they're talking about

>> No.15073193

>>15073162
Nice. Camus overlaps heavily with Nietzche. Also, the novel Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky was an inspiration for Nietzsche, and Brothers Karamazov by Dosto was an inspiration for Camus. Check out Sartre's Existentialism is a Humanism, that's a good introductory text that covers similar ground. His short story collection The Wall and novel Nausea are easy to find too.

>> No.15073219

>>15073193
often times i'm intimidated by this board, but you've been very helpful. i wrote down those books and i'll work my way through them, thanks a lot

>> No.15073233

>>15073219
Glad I could help, /lit/ tends to be angsty for sure. I love philosophy so I try to help people out when I can.

>> No.15073354

>>15072272
No, Camus is retarded. Not you.

>> No.15073686

>>15072272
>should i kill myself?
The only way to find it out is to read the book

>> No.15073872

>>15072272
No and yes.
I don't know what it is about this book, but it's just so dense. Legit had an easier time reading and understanding gravities rainbow

>> No.15074704

>>15073686
underrated post

>> No.15074738

>>15072725
>philosophical suicide
kek, and what is that exactly, being really sad?
brainlet

>> No.15074862

>>15074738
i think it's submitting yourself to an ideaology so as to avoid confronting the absurdity of existence or something like that

>> No.15074911

>>15074738
antinatalism with convictions

>> No.15074945

>>15072473
“Over written”? I can only assume you read commercial fiction... anyway,

>>15072272
For philosophy, it’s actually quite readable, nevertheless a hard text for the average reader. I’d maybe try some secondary texts or just read it carefully.

>> No.15074951

>>15074738
Trading rationality for belief is what camus considered philosophical suicide

>> No.15075013

>>15074945
i've been reading it very slowly, and after enough time rereading paragraphs i pick up on what's being said. it's quite challenging, but that's what makes it fun

>> No.15075234

>>15072272
no

>> No.15075249

You're not retarded but maybe you don't read stuff like this too much. It's a pretty simple point that he's making, though Camus does get very poetic I guess.

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I wrote a short essay on this work, and since my vocabulary is elementary, it's a very easy and quick read. It covers the main ideas of the work pretty well if I do say so myself. Cheers!

https://freeofformthoughtcom.wordpress.com/2020/04/12/camus-absurdism-and-the-women-of-rome/

>> No.15075421

There is no way this post is unironic but it is hilarious

>> No.15077049

>>15072272
I like Camus c:

>> No.15077058

Just watch Bladerunner 2049.

>> No.15077062

>>15077049
me too :3