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What are the essential dualist literature? Especially gnostic. Mmonists brigade a narrative that is ignorant of real suffering choosing the view that 'freedom' is just, even though it entails suffering, therefore it fails the test of logic and cannot be considered a real solution to the problem of evil. The world still remains inhospitable regardless of this apparent freedom, we are still souls who fell into gross matter, with our previous state being ultimately superior, therefore, how could one be a 'monist' knowing this?

>> No.15016312
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15016312

read Philip K Dick. Work your way through his major fiction, then read the Exegesis

>> No.15016319

>>15016306
I want to give that lion a Flintstones vitamin fruit gummy.

>> No.15016323

>>15016306
The Questions of John

>> No.15016505

>>15016312
isn't the exegesis like 1k pages?

>> No.15016531
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>>15016319
Based.
However I always was sceptic of normal Gnosticism because of the dualism and complete animaterialism

>> No.15016644

>>15016531
why is dualism wrong?

>> No.15016679
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>>15016312
read the original schizo-gnostic Böhme, PKD (hack) basically stole all his good ideas from him, Böhme is life.

>> No.15016707

Well the primary sources are the Nag Hammadi scriptures, but they're difficult to understand without some background.

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>>15016707
>Nag Hammadi scriptures
I've wanted to read those, how will I do? Tell me, what is the innermost spirit of that religion, or philosophy or mystic or whatnot in your opinion?

Even though its very emphasis is on the suffering of the world, I cannot help but feel that it is pseudo-relational if taken in this way- contrasting a Schopenhaurianism, perhaps. That suffering is something much more incidental to a technical truth of, or reason for revelation. That is, the escaping of the world to something sublime and of that specific cultural character(which is of course more than the age it was made in, though that is the predominating factor) which one recognises prior and before -being able to- stating.

Of course I haven't read those texts as I mentioned, and when I speak of Gnosticism I mean the specific texts of a demiurge and such and not the academic subsuming term which includes Hermeticism- from that definition of course Gnosticism could just be taken somewhat as a simple definition of spiritual transcendence which in some way contrasts the normally perceived matter. Some of these things are present in traditional Christianity of course, but its very heart is much more of or almost synonymous withthe Schopenhauerian comparison I made earlier. That is the true emphasis on the suffering of the world and recognition of a moral meaning of the world therefrom, in aesthetic truth by way of the image of Christ- but that I mean literally the image and idea, not the actual figure(historic or not) which goes in so many too things to state.

>> No.15016911

>>15016892
The best translation is The Nag Hammadi Library, edited by James Robinson. There is also The Nag Hammadi Scriptures, edited my Marvin Meyer, that has more background information but the translations are a bit dodgy because they heavily gender-neutralise the language.

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>>15016892
If it helps, here is a diagram I made based on the essays in the Marvin Meyer edition.

>> No.15017076

https://discord.gg/FFwRXKq

>> No.15017194

>>15016679
>"was a Lutheran Protestant theologian"
Dropped. Nothing worth reading has ever come out of that heresy.

>> No.15017230

>>15016911
Thanks, will check them out.

>>15016928
Thanks as well, looking over it now.

>> No.15017461

>>15016306

"Gnosticism" is the most non-Dual idea there is.

>> No.15017472

Wannabe-schizos really should be put to death. 120 IQ is midwit tier and pretending to be insane won't make you a better artist or philosopher.

>> No.15017474

>>15017472
cram it, cuck

>> No.15017477

>>15017474
Stupid fuck neurotypical.

>> No.15017481

>>15017477
oh yeah?

>> No.15017489

>>15017481
I'd call you delusional but you'd take that as a compliment. You're delusional in the boring narcissistic normie sense.

>> No.15017495

>>15017489
That's what you are.

>> No.15017677

>>15017495
>no u
Kill yourself, wannabe.

>> No.15017687

>>15017677
Try it and see how it goes for you.

>> No.15017702

>>15017687
>no u again
Kill yourself, wannabe.

>> No.15017707

>>15017702
Ad hominem.

>> No.15018699

>>15016644
To know something, one must also know its opposite. To know what is good, you must know what is bad. Opposites create each other and cannot exist within a vacuum by themselves. Light, dark. Left, right. Up, down. Me, you. Everything can only be known in relation to all other things.