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>Machado de Assis
>Frantz Fanon
>Alexander Pushkin
>Alexandre Dumas
>Wole Basedinka
>Derek Walcott
>W.E.B. du Bois
>Adolph L. Reed, Jr.
>Cornel West
>Thomas Sowell
>James Baldwin
>Ralph Ellison
>Richard Wright
>Jean Toomer
>August Wilson

>> No.15003312

Who?

>> No.15003399

>>15003305
>Machado de Assis
>White
what the fuck

>> No.15003431

>>15003305
Dumas wasn't black you dumbass, he was mixed.

>> No.15003437

>>15003305
>Alexander Pushkin
>black
We wuz writing 'n sheet

>> No.15003449

>>15003305
Jean Toomer was based as fuck, Cane is one of the most under-appreciated masterpieces of modernism. Also don't forget about Langston Hughes

>> No.15003641

>>15003399
fr

The real blackpill is the only good writer on that list is Ellison, who also happens to be on par with Hawthorne right behind Melville.

>> No.15003648

>>15003305
Don't forget Shakespeare, who was a black woman

>> No.15003673

Wasn’t Dumas a quadroon at the very most?

>> No.15003754

JayKwon Rowling

>> No.15003795

Black never meant pure blood african, so yes mixed people are called black. If the topic is supposed to be specifically about dark skin african decent then why don't we just make use of the words we have and specifically say "of african decent" to by pass all the petty "he was mixed not black" refutations .

>> No.15003811

>>15003399
Well, sorry to tell you, but he's black

>> No.15003829

>>15003811
He also had a really nasty stutter

>> No.15003846

>>15003641
Pushkin is also good, but he's barely black.

>> No.15003850

>>15003305
>Alexander Pushkin
he was black?

>> No.15003854

>>15003305
you missed some:

>Wole Basedinka
>Jay Wright
>Wilson Harris
>Aime Cesaire
>Amiri Baraka (check his early work; Auden said his dramatic style-shift was one of the greatest losses to literature in the 20th century)
and you said Richard Wright but I have to add that he was low-key the greatest haiku poet in the English language

>> No.15003865

>>15003850
no

>> No.15003893

>>15003865
>one drop, unless you're talented

>> No.15003905

>>15003893
No one in western EU (where I live) believes in one drop rule

>> No.15003945

Machado de Assis was mixed, not black.

>> No.15003982

>>15003811
Not in Brazil.

>> No.15003989

>>15003305
Pretty much all those writers have some European blood. Hard to think of any pure blacks that have written anything good. There are some good mulatto writers who kind of hit the genetic lottery for their kind.

>> No.15004001

>>15003305
>Machado de Assis
Not black
>Alexander Pushkin
Not black
>Alexandre Dumas.
Not black

>> No.15004021

>>15003865
his great-grandfather was an african slave that was adopted by tsar Alxander named Abraham Petrowitsch Hannibal.

>> No.15004024

>>15003989
Chinua Achebe? Amos Tutuola? Wole Basedinka?

>> No.15004055

>>15004024
I suppose they could be good but I haven't read them. Would you really recommend them or are you joking?
>>15004001
I mean, mulattos are light-skinned blacks, not dark-skinned whites. That's at least how it's functioned in basically all racial caste systems, whether explicitly or implicitly, among both blacks and whites.

>> No.15004061

>>15003795
>Black never meant pure blood african
Maybe not in Burgerland, but in the countries some of these authors are from, they're not considered black. You can't burgerize the world in terms of anachronistic racialism.
>specifically say "of african decent" to by pass all the petty "he was mixed not black" refutations
Except in the case of Pushkin and Dumas, their European descent is greater than their African one, so calling them "of African descent" would be dishonest. Pushkin even thought of himself as a Russian aristocrat.

>> No.15004074

>>15003305
>Machado de Assis
Pretty good, mixed race tho
>Alexander Pushkin
Really good but not black
>Alexandre Dumas
Okay
>Derek Walcott
Shit
>W.E.B. du Bois
okay
>Cornel West
shit
>Thomas Sowell
based
>James Baldwin
mediocre and overestimated often
>Ralph Ellison
Really good, like him a lot
>Richard Wright
okay
>August Wilson
pretty good

>> No.15004100

>>15004055
Wrong. Mulattos were just mixed. They're not black nor white. Considering them "black" would've beaten the purpose of having a caste system in the first place. Mulattos were higher in the chain than blacks. I know it's hard for an American to even begin to fathom the grey area where people were not black nor white, but that's how the caste system worked.

>> No.15004168

>>15004100
>They're not black nor white.
Yeah, no fucking shit, genius. But people will always view them in terms of whitened blacks and not blackened whites; this is due to the upward hierarchy we all implicitly understand when it comes to racialism.

>> No.15004195

>>15003305
>that 30 y.o.Toomer

>> No.15004196

>>15004168
People in America, perhaps. Different tune in other places.

>> No.15004262

>>15004196
>Different tune in other places.
No, this is true universally. You can't name one country where mulattos aren't seen as whitened blacks.

>> No.15004282

>>15004262
They weren't seen as black. Again you're thinking in a burgerized muh black & white dichotomy, They were seen as a different enitity, not white nor black. This is a modern thing of American origin. It's hard for Americans to understand this because they've been brainwashed into the extremes, all nuance gone.

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>>15004282
Nah, everywhere universally mulattos have been seen as whitened blacks; obviously a whitened black is neither white, nor black. That's just a truism. But because of how caste systems are upwardly-scaled and because of the inherent sense of racial difference we all bear whether we deny it or not, the perception is that a mulatto is still a black, but has just been racially whitened a bit. Take pic related, mom is full black, the kid is half black. No one is going to look at that kid as very different from her mother. Now obviously if there is higher percentage of white blood (80% and up), then people might register the mulatto differently but always with a sense of whitening and intergenerational upward racial scaling. By the way, I'm not American, stop straw-manning. You sound paranoid of burgers. Get help.

>> No.15004451

>>15004055
I would actually recommend them, they're all good

>> No.15004464

>>15004414
>No one is going to look at that kid as very different from her mother.
Maybe not in modern America (or America-pullted countries) but in the caste system, they would've been seen as different.
>. By the way, I'm not American, stop straw-manning. You sound paranoid of burgers.
Not that bad a guess considering 90% of the board is American and they believe in some retarded black and white dichotomy.

Plus, I don't even know why we're talking about mulattos (I guess because I mentioned Machado?). Dumas and Pushkin were octoroons at best. Afrocentrism is beyond stupid.

>> No.15004476

>>15003982
he was, it is a proven fact

>> No.15004502

>>15004464
>Dumas and Pushkin were octoroons at best.
Yeah, those two are more complicated. I think at that point the threshold has been passed where you're seen as effectively European, or "good enough." lmao
>>15004451
Okay, I'll look into them. Thanks for the recs.

>> No.15004509

>>15004476
he was mulatto, not black.

>> No.15004529

>Basedinka
kek

>> No.15004557

>>15004476
>>15004509
Ergh, Machado de Assis was mestizo, not mulatto or black.

>> No.15004593

>>15004557
>Machado de Assis was mestizo
Nah, he was a mulatto. I don't think he any Amerindian blood at all, and if he did, the proper term in Brazil isn't "mestizo", but "pardo." "Mestizo" is used for a half Amerindian, half European. "Pardo" is used for a multiracial person with African, European and Amerindian blood.

>> No.15004637

>>15003305
Dumas was more white than black

>> No.15004772

>>15004074
Based.

>> No.15004809

>>15004593
Well the Portuguese Wiki describes him as:
>Machado de Assis nasceu em 21 de junho de 1839, no Morro do Livramento, no Rio de Janeiro, então capital do Império, em pleno Período Regencial.Seu pai foi Francisco José de Assis, um mulato que pintava paredes, filho de Francisco de Assis e Inácia Maria Rosa, ambos pardos e escravos alforriados. A mãe foi a lavadeira Maria Leopoldina da Câmara Machado, portuguesa e branca, filha de Estevão José Machado e Ana Rosa
So he was the son of a pardo-descented mulatto man and a white woman. Don't even know that to call him.

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I’m enjoying this right now.

>> No.15004843

>>15004826
Thank you, r*dditor, very cool.

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15004858

>>15004843

>> No.15004888

>>15004809
Ah, so he did have some Amerindian blood then. Yeah, I guess he is a pardo. Pretty interesting. His phenotype was really weird too. One of my books of his (printed in Brazil) shows him as basically white lmao but online photos he looks really dark with some European features. All of this just goes to show how much of a clusterfuck Brazil is. haha

>> No.15005701

Bump

>> No.15005776

>>15004858
This guy looks based as fuck.

>> No.15006052

Samuel R. Delany, you faggots!