/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14985776]

>anon kept memeing the Urantia papers
>actually read it
>realize no revelation short of the attainment of God can ever be complete and all other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space

[Anonymous No.14986716]

https://bigbluebook.org

This is the most important book on the planet right now

[Anonymous No.14986750]

Why should I believe this new age woo

[~[[[-_-]]]~ Urantia Thought Ad(...) No.14986818]

>>14986750
Firstly its not new age.
Even if it was, labeling something as new age does not automatically prove it is wrong, obviously.

New age religious manifestations can contain wisdom and truth as much or even more than 'old age' expressions.


Anyways, you should believe it because it contains spiritual wisdom and truth. For you to discern if thats really the case, you have to actually read the book sincerely and decide for yourself.

[Anonymous No.14987105]

>>14985776
>attainment of god
What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.14987221]

>>14987105
(1:0.3)
The will creatures of universe upon universe have embarked upon the long, long Paradise journey, the fascinating struggle of the eternal adventure of attaining God the Father. The transcendent goal of the children of time is to find the eternal God, to comprehend the divine nature, to recognize the Universal Father. God-knowing creatures have only one supreme ambition, just one consuming desire, and that is to become, as they are in their spheres, like him as he is in his Paradise perfection of personality and in his universal sphere of righteous supremacy. From the Universal Father who inhabits eternity there has gone forth the supreme mandate, "Be you perfect, even as I am perfect." In love and mercy the messengers of Paradise have carried this divine exhortation down through the ages and out through the universes, even to such lowly animal-origin creatures as the human races of Urantia.
1:7.2.Man does not achieve union with God as a drop of water might find unity with the ocean. Man attains divine union by progressive reciprocal spiritual communion, by personality intercourse with the personal God, by increasingly attaining the divine nature through wholehearted and intelligent conformity to the divine will. Such a sublime relationship can exist only between personalities.

[Anonymous No.14987262]

Urantia is an attempt to reconcile religion/ esoterica with some scientific notions of the time packaged in a Patience Worth-esque gimmick.

Nothing you find in it cannot be found in some form in other ancient texts of worth.

[Anonymous No.14987320]

>>14987262
I dont think its fake.

The advanced writing style and sophistication of content is superb, in line with what you would expect from supernatural authorship.

[Anonymous No.14988248]

>>14987221

Unironcally.

[Anonymous No.14988297]

5:2.3.The divine presence cannot, however, be discovered anywhere in nature or even in the lives of God-knowing mortals so fully and so certainly as in your attempted communion with the indwelling Mystery Monitor, the Paradise Thought Adjuster. What a mistake to dream of God far off in the skies when the spirit of the Universal Father lives within your own mind!

[Anonymous No.14988323]

Its interesting.
Not gonna pretend I've made it all the way through but it didn't resonate 100% with me.
It doesn't really present anything wild on its idea of God compared to other mystical traditions, but it certainly had a lot to say about the hierarchies of the universe.
This whole, this is the rulers of this density who are assigned by the council of blahs blahs from the command of God's central yada yada, this stuff is all over new age writings these days by urantia is pretty sure what invented it. Maybe it's true maybe it's not, I dont see how that information i need to know in this life.

[Anonymous No.14988794]

>>14985776
What do you think of the Edgar Cayce authorship hypothesis? (Are there any other contenders?)

[Anonymous No.14989749]

>>14985776
you retards make me hate the /pol/acks that post here less.

[Anonymous No.14989950]

>>14989749
>waaah stop posting opinions that disagree with me

[Anonymous No.14990049]

>>14987221
>Man does not achieve union with God as a drop of water might find unity with the ocean. Man attains divine union by progressive reciprocal spiritual communion, by personality intercourse with the personal God, by increasingly attaining the divine nature through wholehearted and intelligent conformity to the divine will. Such a sublime relationship can exist only between personalities.
So, radical devotional non-duality?

[Anonymous No.14990975]

>>14988794
>Edgar Cayce authorship hypothesis
Highly doubt it.

If it was faked, the culprit would be Dr Sadler.
>surgeon, self-trained psychiatrist, and author who helped publish The Urantia Book
>was a member of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and of medical associations including the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Pathological Society, and the American College of Surgeons. Sadler was also a member of the faculty of McCormick Theological Seminary, and taught pastoral psychology.
>believed that mediums were a source of false comfort and, after World War I ended, fought against the increased popularity of communication with the dead. In the 1910s and 1920s, attempting to expose purported clairvoyants became one of Sadler's favorite pastimes and he regularly worked with a Northwestern University psychologist and Howard Thurston, then a prominent magician, while investigating psychics.

He was a skeptic and debunker of paranormal claims; quite the turn-around if he decided to fake a divine revelation.

[Anonymous No.14991212]

>>14988323
The quality and substance of the Urantia papers is unlike anything that has gone before or since. This is a modern revelation from supernatural sources.

0:12.12.Successive planetary revelations of divine truth invariably embrace the highest existing concepts of spiritual values as a part of the new and enhanced co-ordination of planetary knowledge. Accordingly, in making these presentations about God and his universe associates, we have selected as the basis of these papers more than one thousand human concepts representing the highest and most advanced planetary knowledge of spiritual values and universe meanings. Wherein these human concepts, assembled from the God-knowing mortals of the past and the present, are inadequate to portray the truth as we are directed to reveal it, we will unhesitatingly supplement them, for this purpose drawing upon our own superior knowledge of the reality and divinity of the Paradise Deities and their transcendent residential universe.

[Anonymous No.14991491]

>>14991212
>The quality and substance of the Urantia papers is unlike anything that has gone before or since. This is a modern revelation from supernatural sources.

I see your assertions and slogans but not your arguments.

Examples of criticisms regarding the science in The Urantia Book include:

The described formation of the solar system is consistent with the Chamberlin-Moulton planetesimal hypothesis,[103] which though popular in the early part of the 20th century, was discarded by the 1940s after major flaws were noted.[104] The currently accepted scientific explanation for the origin of the solar system is based on the nebular hypothesis.[103]
According to the book's descriptions, the universe is hundreds of billions of years old and periodically expands and contracts — "respires" — at 2-billion-year intervals. Recent observations suggest that the true age of the universe is approximately 13.8 billion years.[105] The book does not support the Big Bang theory.[106]
A fundamental particle called an "ultimaton" is proposed, with an electron being composed of 100 ultimatons. The particle is not known to be described anywhere else and the concept is not supported by modern particle physics.[107]
The Andromeda Galaxy is claimed to be "almost one million" light years away, repeating the understandings of the 1920s,[108] but the galaxy is now understood to be 2.5 million light years away.
The book repeats the mistaken idea that planets close to a sun will gradually spin slower until one hemisphere is left always turned to the sun due to tidal locking, citing Mercury as an example. Scientists at the time of the book's origin thought one side of Mercury always faced the sun, just as one side of the Moon always faces the Earth. In 1965, radio astronomers discovered however that Mercury rotates fast enough for all sides to see exposure to the sun.[106] Scientists further established that Mercury is locked in this spin rate in a stable resonance of 3 spins for every 2 orbits, and it is not slowing and so will never have one side left always turned to the sun.[109]
Some species are said to have evolved suddenly from single mutations without transitional species.[110] The theory originated with Dutch botanist Hugo De Vries but was short-lived and is not now supported.[111]
The book erroneously says that a solar eclipse was predicted in 1808 by the Native American prophet Tenskwatawa. The eclipse actually was predicted in late April 1806 and occurred on June 16, 1806.[112] In 2009, Urantia Foundation acknowledged the error and revised the book.[c]
Controversial statements about human races can be found in the book.[114] Gardner believes that William S. Sadler, who wrote some eugenicist works, had a hand in editing or writing the book, and that this is how the ideas were included.[115]

[Anonymous No.14991660]

>>14991491
>erroneous science
This is explained by Urantia itself:

The Limitations of Revelation
101:4.1.Because your world is generally ignorant of origins, even of physical origins, it has appeared to be wise from time to time to provide instruction in cosmology. And always has this made trouble for the future. The laws of revelation hamper us greatly by their proscription of the impartation of unearned or premature knowledge. Any cosmology presented as a part of revealed religion is destined to be outgrown in a very short time. Accordingly, future students of such a revelation are tempted to discard any element of genuine religious truth it may contain because they discover errors on the face of the associated cosmologies therein presented.

101:4.2.Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.

[Anonymous No.14991699]

>>14991491
>We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records.


Even if you consider the book as spiritual scifi/fantasy, it has great literary merit:


The Urantia Book is noted for its high level of internal consistency and an advanced writing style. Skeptic Martin Gardner, in a book otherwise highly critical of The Urantia Book, writes that it is "highly imaginative" and that the "cosmology outrivals in fantasy the cosmology of any science-fiction work known to me."[71]

Martin Gardner considers Part IV to be an especially "well-written, impressive work," and says, "Either it is accurate in its history, coming directly from higher beings in position to know, or it is a work of fertile imagination by someone who knew the New Testament by heart and who was also steeped in knowledge of the times when Jesus lived."[35]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book#Consideration_as_literature

[Anonymous No.14991734]

>>14990049
>So, radical devotional non-duality?

Not exactly sure what you mean by that, but maybe.

[Anonymous No.14991741]

Kifflom!

[Anonymous No.14991879]

>>14988794
>Edgar Cayce authorship hypothesis
Interesting, had no idea there was a book written about it.

>A thorough examination of the evidence of a link between the sleeping prophet, Edgar Cayce, and The Urantia Book. For fifty years the channel for the Urantia Papers has remained a complete mystery. Speculation has suggested Wilfred Kellogg as a likely candidate, but evidence has never supported this theory. See the research and decide for yourself.

https://sites.google.com/site/edgarcayceandtheurantiabook/

[Anonymous No.14991959]

>>14990975
>Dr Sadler.
Imagine if they were blood relations, kek

[Anonymous No.14991991]

>>14986818
it's new age nonsense and should be contained in >>>/x/ with the other nonsense

[Anonymous No.14992039]

>>14991991
Thats your unproven belief, a mere opinion.

[Anonymous No.14992075]

>>14991991
How is this not just a lazy dishonest sentiment used to dismiss the Urantia papers without reading it or giving its ideas serious consideration?

[~[[[-_-]]]~ Urantia Thought Ad(...) No.14992216]

132:3.2.Truth cannot be defined with words, only by living. Truth is always more than knowledge. Knowledge pertains to things observed, but truth transcends such purely material levels in that it consorts with wisdom and embraces such imponderables as human experience, even spiritual and living realities. Knowledge originates in science; wisdom, in true philosophy; truth, in the religious experience of spiritual living. Knowledge deals with facts; wisdom, with relationships; truth, with reality values.

[Anonymous No.14992275]

>>14992216
>tfw i realized this without reading anything on the matter

[~[[[-_-]]]~ Urantia Thought Ad(...) No.14992881]

Urantia inspired song by Deadsy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfFBj9Hrh68

Prepare for divine invasion
As the spirit climbs Morontia minds
Ascend to the cosmic nation
On a Mansion World, the role's reversed
A slave becomes a master
On a Mansion World, the soul's converse
And life moves a little faster
We unify the universe
And arrive in the ever after
In the Mansion World, I might like to know you
New Urantia girl, everything's below you

[Anonymous No.14993002]

>>14989950
these threads are just jerking off over a book without literary or theological significance.

its not that i don't like your opinions its that they dont have value.

[Anonymous No.14993014]

>>14993002
Its easy to say that, but you havent demonstrated anything, its just a baseless opinion you have.

[Anonymous No.14993096]

failed lit writers memeing their shitty books harder than usual lately

[Anonymous No.14993123]

>>14985776
what is this book? It's a book with no author that reveals the truth? Sounds like god to me desu

[Anonymous No.14993154]

>>14985776
the goal is perfection? but we lived infinitely in the past, why didn't we reach perfection already?

[Anonymous No.14993379]

>>14993154
Perfection is an ascending forever.

[Anonymous No.14993428]

>>14991660
>It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge
then why give any knowledge on those matters at all? seems very shady and un-divine to include an erroneous science free pass like this

[Anonymous No.14993520]

>>14993154
The soul is a new creation in time and space.

111:2.3.The human personality is identified with mind and spirit held together in functional relationship by life in a material body. This functioning relationship of such mind and spirit does not result in some combination of the qualities or attributes of mind and spirit but rather in an entirely new, original, and unique universe value of potentially eternal endurance, the soul.
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111:2.10.The inevitable result of such a contactual spiritualization of the human mind is the gradual birth of a soul, the joint offspring of an adjutant mind dominated by a human will that craves to know God, working in liaison with the spiritual forces of the universe which are under the overcontrol of an actual fragment of the very God of all creation—the Mystery Monitor. And thus does the material and mortal reality of the self transcend the temporal limitations of the physical-life machine and attain a new expression and a new identification in the evolving vehicle for selfhood continuity, the morontia and immortal soul.

[Anonymous No.14993539]

>>14993428
>for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge

[Anonymous No.14993571]

>>14993379
poetic

>>14993520
hmm

[Anonymous No.14993713]

>>14991660
Sounds like a weak excuse for the fact that it was written by a human with limited knowledge, at a particular time. Why should I believe that excuse just because the book says it?

[Anonymous No.14993720]

>>14993571
You as a soul are new, you havent had past lives; but your Thought Adjuster (the spirit or fragment of God within you) has had past lives (on other worlds). As you merge or fuse with your Thought Adjuster you gain access to its wisdom, past life experiences and immortality.

Adjuster Fusion
112:7.1.Thought Adjuster fusion imparts eternal actualities to personality which were previously only potential. Among these new endowments may be mentioned: fixation of divinity quality, past-eternity experience and memory, immortality, and a phase of qualified potential absoluteness.

[Anonymous No.14993731]

>>14993713
If its a hoax it still sounds like a brilliant disclaimer by genius minds.

[Anonymous No.14993778]

>>14993731
That's not genius, it's an obvious excuse to an obvious objection. It's a weak excuse because it would have been the easiest thing to get certain things correct that were simply unknown when the book was published, that would have had no impact on science because we'd find out the book was correct after those things were confirmed by science.

For example, the age of the universe. The book says it's about 400 billion years old, from measurements we know it's 13.8 billion years old. The book says Earth was entering its "present form" about 1 billion years ago, but we know that the Earth was formed over 4 billion years ago, by 1 billion years ago it was fully formed and there was already a microbial ecosystem. These figures would have been so easy to get right for a celestial being but instead we have erroneous guessed.

[Anonymous No.14993874]

>>14993778
It plainly explains that the science will need revisioning, its not hiding anything.

Its a religious book not a science book. Try and debunk its religious teachings.

131:8.2."How pure and tranquil is the Supreme One and yet how powerful and mighty, how deep and unfathomable! This God of heaven is the honored ancestor of all things. If you know the Eternal, you are enlightened and wise. If you know not the Eternal, then does ignorance manifest itself as evil, and thus do the passions of sin arise. This wondrous Being existed before the heavens and the earth were. He is truly spiritual; he stands alone and changes not. He is indeed the world's mother, and all creation moves around him. This Great One imparts himself to men and thereby enables them to excel and to survive. Even if one has but a little knowledge, he can still walk in the ways of the Supreme; he can conform to the will of heaven.

[Anonymous No.14994295]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao4vkbg5jsU

[Anonymous No.14995477]

Bumping infection-free thread

[Anonymous No.14996325]

>>14985776
I still need to read this.